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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 1:10:35 PM

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It's easy to look up Josh Allen's fumble stats. Here's his ESPN stats. https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/3918298/josh-allen

2018 he had 3 fumbles in a passing situation and 5 fumbles in a rushing situation. Total lost fumbles was 1.
2019 he had 6 fumbles in a passing situation and 7 fumbles in a rushing situation. Total lost fumbles was 2.
2020 he had 5 fumbles in a passing situation and 4 fumbles in a rushing situation. Total lost fumbles was 4.

Total rushing TDs over the three years - 26

Kirk Cousins the same years. https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/14880/kirk-cousins

2018 5 passing, 4 rushing, 2 lost
2019 5 passing, 5 rushing, 0 lost
2020 8 passing, 1 rushing, 1 lost

Total rushing TDs over the three years - 3

Glad it was easy. Please show just fumbles as opposed to fumbles lost, thanks.

More to the point, I love how the fumble debate got shifted from Cousins vs 13 different QB's listed by Phil to Cousins vs the 3 who run a lot that were picked by Brad, then further narrowed by Brad to Cousins vs Allen. The end result of that argument proves nothing. There isn't anyone posting here who wouldn't take Allen over Cousins. It's no different than posters arguing that Cousins sucks because he isn't as good as Brady.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 1:11:30 PM

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In 2020, Cousins had the 5th highest interception rate among passers with over 350 attempts. Only Wentz, Lock, Darnold, and Newton were ahead of him.

That is NOT taking "very good care" (per KGBum) of the ball.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 1:12:48 PM

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It's easy to look up Josh Allen's fumble stats. Here's his ESPN stats. https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/3918298/josh-allen

2018 he had 3 fumbles in a passing situation and 5 fumbles in a rushing situation. Total lost fumbles was 1. Total fumbles 8
2019 he had 6 fumbles in a passing situation and 7 fumbles in a rushing situation. Total lost fumbles was 2. Total fumbles 13
2020 he had 5 fumbles in a passing situation and 4 fumbles in a rushing situation. Total lost fumbles was 4. Total fumbles 9

Total rushing TDs over the three years - 26

Kirk Cousins the same years. https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/14880/kirk-cousins

2018 5 passing, 4 rushing, 2 lost Total fumbles 9
2019 5 passing, 5 rushing, 0 lost Total fumbles 10
2020 8 passing, 1 rushing, 1 lost Total fumbles 9

Total rushing TDs over the three years - 3

Glad it was easy. Please show just fumbles as opposed to fumbles lost, thanks.

I added that in and bolded it. Also I noticed that Allen had 25 rushing TDs over the three years not 26. He had one receiving TD and that's where I got 26.

It turns out that this stat is a bit trickier. Upon looking into it further I see that the fumbles lost I posted applied ONLY to fumbles lost on a rushing attempt. Total fumbles lost are higher for both.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 1:13:14 PM

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It's easy to look up Josh Allen's fumble stats. Here's his ESPN stats. https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/3918298/josh-allen

2018 he had 3 fumbles in a passing situation and 5 fumbles in a rushing situation. Total lost fumbles was 1. Total fumbles 8
2019 he had 6 fumbles in a passing situation and 7 fumbles in a rushing situation. Total lost fumbles was 2. Total fumbles 13
2020 he had 5 fumbles in a passing situation and 4 fumbles in a rushing situation. Total lost fumbles was 4. Total fumbles 9

Total rushing TDs over the three years - 26

Kirk Cousins the same years. https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/14880/kirk-cousins

2018 5 passing, 4 rushing, 2 lost Total fumbles 9
2019 5 passing, 5 rushing, 0 lost Total fumbles 10
2020 8 passing, 1 rushing, 1 lost Total fumbles 9

Total rushing TDs over the three years - 3

Glad it was easy. Please show just fumbles as opposed to fumbles lost, thanks.

I added that in and bolded it. Also I noticed that Allen had 25 rushing TDs over the three years not 26. He had one receiving TD and that's where I got 26.

Sorry, I meant to ask total fumbles while rushing. But it doesn't matter.

Edit: I see your most recent post alluding to that.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 1:20:58 PM

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In regards to lost fumbles by QBs a good stat to show it's possible to 'take good care of the ball' is that Tom Brady had five lost fumbles - over the LAST FIFTEEN SEASONS! Now THAT is ball security both in hanging on to it as well as having pocket presence, getting the ball out quickly, and reading the D to know more often what will be open the quickest. Yes he's the greatest of all time and no one is saying Kirk is better than Tom. I'm just trying to illustrate what 'taking good care of the ball' looks like to me.

Wow! It's not even 'taking good care' being tossed around here. It's VERY good care.

In the six seasons Cousins has been a 16 game starter, he has fumbled 59 times.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 1:23:43 PM

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In regards to lost fumbles by QBs a good stat to show it's possible to 'take good care of the ball' is that Tom Brady had five lost fumbles - over the LAST FIFTEEN SEASONS! Now THAT is ball security both in hanging on to it as well as having pocket presence, getting the ball out quickly, and reading the D to know more often what will be open the quickest. Yes he's the greatest of all time and no one is saying Kirk is better than Tom. I'm just trying to illustrate what 'taking good care of the ball' looks like to me.

One lost fumble per season and 10th best TD/INT rating of all time looks like very good taking care of the ball to me. YMMV.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 1:24:58 PM

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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It's easy to look up Josh Allen's fumble stats. Here's his ESPN stats. https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/3918298/josh-allen

2018 he had 3 fumbles in a passing situation and 5 fumbles in a rushing situation. Total lost fumbles was 1.
2019 he had 6 fumbles in a passing situation and 7 fumbles in a rushing situation. Total lost fumbles was 2.
2020 he had 5 fumbles in a passing situation and 4 fumbles in a rushing situation. Total lost fumbles was 4.

Total rushing TDs over the three years - 26

Kirk Cousins the same years. https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/14880/kirk-cousins

2018 5 passing, 4 rushing, 2 lost
2019 5 passing, 5 rushing, 0 lost
2020 8 passing, 1 rushing, 1 lost

Total rushing TDs over the three years - 3

Glad it was easy. Please show just fumbles as opposed to fumbles lost, thanks.

More to the point, I love how the fumble debate got shifted from Cousins vs 13 different QB's listed by Phil to Cousins vs the 3 who run a lot that were picked by Brad, then further narrowed by Brad to Cousins vs Allen. The end result of that argument proves nothing. There isn't anyone posting here who wouldn't take Allen over Cousins. It's no different than posters arguing that Cousins sucks because he isn't as good as Brady.

I'd take Cousins over Allen.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 1:25:59 PM

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It's easy to look up Josh Allen's fumble stats. Here's his ESPN stats. https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/3918298/josh-allen

2018 he had 3 fumbles in a passing situation and 5 fumbles in a rushing situation. Total lost fumbles was 1. Total fumbles 8
2019 he had 6 fumbles in a passing situation and 7 fumbles in a rushing situation. Total lost fumbles was 2. Total fumbles 13
2020 he had 5 fumbles in a passing situation and 4 fumbles in a rushing situation. Total lost fumbles was 4. Total fumbles 9

Total rushing TDs over the three years - 26

Kirk Cousins the same years. https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/14880/kirk-cousins

2018 5 passing, 4 rushing, 2 lost Total fumbles 9
2019 5 passing, 5 rushing, 0 lost Total fumbles 10
2020 8 passing, 1 rushing, 1 lost Total fumbles 9

Total rushing TDs over the three years - 3

Glad it was easy. Please show just fumbles as opposed to fumbles lost, thanks.

I added that in and bolded it. Also I noticed that Allen had 25 rushing TDs over the three years not 26. He had one receiving TD and that's where I got 26.

It turns out that this stat is a bit trickier. Upon looking into it further I see that the fumbles lost I posted applied ONLY to fumbles lost on a rushing attempt. Total fumbles lost are higher for both.

That makes more sense. I thought Cousins lost more than one fumble per season. I'm not going to go back and edit every post I made before seeing this correction though.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 1:27:41 PM

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What he is not: He does not have the movement skills that are in vogue in today's NFL, his ability to scramble is poor, it appears he does not "sense" the rush around him very well.

Is it just me or did KC show a lot of awareness running the ball in the second half of the season? Seems to me he picked up a lot of first downs and/or positive yardadage running the ball. Am I wrong?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 1:30:24 PM

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League leaders in lost fumbles over the last 3 years (I removed non-QBs)

2020

Derek Carr 8
Josh Allen 6
Daniel Jones 6
Kirk Cousins 5
Joe Burrow 4
Jared Goff 4
Lamar Jackson 4
Baker Mayfield 4
Gardner Minshew 4
Nick Mullens 4
Kyler Murray 4
Carson Wentz 4
Russell Wilson 4
Teddy Bridgewater 3
Drew Lock 3
Matt Ryan 3
Deshaun Watson 3
Drew Brees 2
Sam Darnold 2
Patrick Mahomes 2
Aaron Rodgers 2
Ryan Tannehill 1
Tua Tagovaliloa 1
Matt Stafford 1
Cam Newton 1
Andy Dalton 1
Tom Brady 1

2019

Daniel Jones 11
Kyle Allen, Wentz, Minshew 7
Jocoby Brissett, Garoppolo, Goff, Matt Ryan, Jameis Winston, 5
Josh Allen, Andy Dalton, Aaron Rodgers 4
Derek Carr, Kirk Cousins, Sam Darnold, Joe Flacco, Case Keenum, Phillip Rivers, Matt Stafford, Tannehill, Watson, 3
Ryan Fitz, Lamar Jackson, Mahomes, Baker, Kyler Murray, Cam, Dak, Russel Wilson 2
Everyone else 1 or 0

2018

Carr, Cousins 7
Dak, Wentz 6
Goff, Josh Rosen, Matt Ryan 5
Blake Bortles, Lamar Jackson, Eli, Stafford, Rannehill 4
Baker, Rodgers, Trubisky, Watson, Winston 3
Josh Allen, Sam Bradford, Tom Brady, Sam Darnold, Mahomes, Mariota, Case Keenum, Rapey, Russel Wilson, 2
Everyone else 1 or 0

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 1:36:42 PM

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In regards to lost fumbles by QBs a good stat to show it's possible to 'take good care of the ball' is that Tom Brady had five lost fumbles - over the LAST FIFTEEN SEASONS! Now THAT is ball security both in hanging on to it as well as having pocket presence, getting the ball out quickly, and reading the D to know more often what will be open the quickest. Yes he's the greatest of all time and no one is saying Kirk is better than Tom. I'm just trying to illustrate what 'taking good care of the ball' looks like to me.

One lost fumble per season and 10th best TD/INT rating of all time looks like very good taking care of the ball to me. YMMV.

LMAO!

First, Cousins has never just lost one fumble in a significant season: https://www.footballdb.com/players/kirk-cousins-cousiki01

Second, in 2002, Daunte Culpepper fumbled 23 times (second all time!) and lost 0 (I find zero hard to believe), which to you makes him the king of taking care of the ball! https://www.footballdb.com/players/daunte-culpepper-culpeda01

But yeah, keep burying yourself even with outright lies.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 1:40:42 PM

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Cousins fumbles the last six seasons: 9, 9, 13, 9, 10, 9

Very good caretaker.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 2:13:40 PM

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Cherry pick a top 5 QB and think the spaghetti will stick to the wall.

Get Kirk a line first and the fumble numbers will improve. Josh Allen had a great year and when Kirk was younger he was top 5 in rushing and TDs many years but continued health now is more important. Josh Allen healthy is better than Josh Allen trying to be a man child.

There is a small window to win it all. I'll take man child for 5-7 years over a pussy for 12. If that's what helps the team win, go for it. Allen put up 45 total touchdowns last season and had his team in the AFC Championship. Not many saw that coming. Without his reckless nature, they may have never gotten that far.

Is running what is best for his future? Who am I to say? In fact, I don't give a damned. If he gets a title in Buffalo he'll be a living legend, whether he plays seven years or 12.

Buffalo had top 5-6 roster in the NFL. Not just Allen, FYI.

Part of that roster was a WR that wanted to go there - and leave ours.

Yep...but I will take Jefferson.

Diggs is always hot and cold. Remember the coaching philosophy change has as much to do with that as Cousins....Targets went way down, run the ball 50% of the time.

Diggs was first-team all pro last year for Buffalo.

So did Cousins help JJ any? The rookie performed and I think KC helped also in that regard....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 2:16:04 PM

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Just an FYI...adding 1) FA: Woods, PP, Alexander, Tomlinson, Vigil, and Weatherly plus 2) Getting Barr/Pierce/Hunter/Kendricks back healthy and 3) the draft put the Vikes in the to 5-6 roster talk now....there is no excuses for Kirk or anyone. This current roster can and should compete with any team.

If even ONE of those players misses even a few games the excuses will fly.

And it's pretty ironic Phil says "no excuses" because he more than anyone will repeatedly list injuries as an excuse. Udoh misses four games? You can bet Phil will be posting about it.

Do you like the roster now or not? I haven't seen the FO put a better roster together in many years....like 1998. Udoh? Injuries to key starters ...do you think Udoh is a key starter?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 2:17:46 PM

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Cherry pick a top 5 QB and think the spaghetti will stick to the wall.

Get Kirk a line first and the fumble numbers will improve. Josh Allen had a great year and when Kirk was younger he was top 5 in rushing and TDs many years but continued health now is more important. Josh Allen healthy is better than Josh Allen trying to be a man child.

There is a small window to win it all. I'll take man child for 5-7 years over a pussy for 12. If that's what helps the team win, go for it. Allen put up 45 total touchdowns last season and had his team in the AFC Championship. Not many saw that coming. Without his reckless nature, they may have never gotten that far.

Is running what is best for his future? Who am I to say? In fact, I don't give a damned. If he gets a title in Buffalo he'll be a living legend, whether he plays seven years or 12.

Buffalo had top 5-6 roster in the NFL. Not just Allen, FYI.

Part of that roster was a WR that wanted to go there - and leave ours.

Yep...but I will take Jefferson.

Diggs is always hot and cold. Remember the coaching philosophy change has as much to do with that as Cousins....Targets went way down, run the ball 50% of the time.

No evidence he wanted out because of Cousins. I know it's popular refrain here, but his comments in Buffalo were complimentary of Cousins.

Easy to speculate on the lockerroom but none of us are a part of it.

Easy to be complimentary after you've left. When Diggs was in MINNESOTA, he was critical of Cousins. Not insanely so but some. His brother was over the top. Remember those texts? Was he the spokesman for Stefon?

I think the same reason OCs love Cousins is why there has been friction with WRs. Shanahan and McVay loved Cousins because he is almost robotic in his read progressions. Option 1, option 2, option 3. WRs just want the damn ball, all the time. And don't get to see how the IOL is collapsing (in real time). They just think they're open all the time

Being critical (your term not mine) does not equal being a reason Diggs want out.

Could it have been? Sure. But the only reason(s) Diggs has gone on record for wanting to leave (play calling/conservative approach) did not include Cousins.

All I'm saying is I don't know.

His brothers tweets, which you didn't mention, were pretty bad. IMO if Diggs respected Cousins there is no way Diggs' brother would have sent them.

I don't know Diggs' family dynamic. I look at Rodgers and other professional family situations/incidents and am not willing to put a lot of stock in it.

I have 4 younger brothers and wouldn't put it past any of them to go off the rails and put me in an awkward situation.

I'd say you and Diggs are much different situations. The tweets were brutal. And it's not like KC was the opposition.

You know nothing about my family situation nor Digg's family situation.

But feel free to speculate.

I'm moving on.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 2:22:52 PM

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The roster has been flawed since Kirk arrived.....this roster is the best since he has been here.

2015 & 2017 were good rosters but this might be the best of Zimmer's tenure also.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 2:29:48 PM

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Let’s fill in the non fumble stats:

Att 15th, Comp 13th, Comp % 9th, Yds 8th, Y/A 2nd, FD% T2nd, 20+ T5th, TD 6th, TD% 5th, Int T3rd, Int% 11th, Sacks 6th, Rating 8th

The good: Despite being only 15th in attempts, Cousins 8th in yards, 6th in TD. This was fueled by the 2nd best Yards per attempt and the 5th best TD% in the NFL. He is also very good in the percentage categories, good at picking up first downs and completing passes over 20 yeards.

The bad: No doubt about it. Cousins turns the ball over too much. Too many interceptions. Too many fumbles. He gets sacked too much. A lot of it is IOL, but he does have those moments where he just straight holds the ball too long.

The QB rating score put him 8th in the league. Overall, Cousins does a lot of things well and some things poorly. All in all, he will move the chains and put a lot of points on the board with some missteps along the way. When you put it all together, you have the guy that several have already described as...not the guy who will carry the team on his back to a championship or even drag it across the finish line. He is a guy who is good enough to win a Superbowl as part of a good football team.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 2:57:04 PM

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Some stats just don't quantify what a player actually is.

Cousins seems to do well when there's nothing to play for. But when we need him to extend a drive in the final 10 minutes of a game he'd just fold like a cheap suit. There is certainly blame to go around such as terrible protection and turtle mode football by Zim. I think Bradbury had an errant snap in the final 2 minute of the Tennesee game. But all in all Cousins just looks scared during crunch time and it just reeks of poor leadership qualities.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 2:57:19 PM

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How many fumbles actually occurred on rushing attempts? Otherwise, you're just combining 2 unrelated stats.

They are not unrelated at all. For some quarterbacks, the reward of running the football is worth the risk. If Cousins had the ability to run, he would. It's just another deficiency in his game. He can't run and he can't make plays in the final two minutes of halves.

Tom Brady can't run either. He had one lost fumble.
Philip Rivers, one.
Ben Roethlisberger, zero.

Why? Because they take care of the ball.

Unrelated and pointless. Quarterback runs end with the QB stepping out of bounds, crossing the goal line or hitting the deck before contact.

Are you saying Josh Allen, Taysom Hill, Lamar Jackson and Kyler Murray never got hit?

Never? No. Just not very often on running plays. QB's are trained to end the run before they get hit. Tell me how many of their fumbles came on runs.

I watched Josh Allen almost every play this season because he was my fantasy quarterback. The lion's share of his fumbles came when he was running. He doesn't duck anybody. He's a man child.

Provide the numbers for all the QB's you listed to support your argument.

No thank you. Innocent until proven guilty. You say I'm wrong. Prove it.

This is the problem.

You throw out a hand-picked stat to make a point.

Someone debunks that stat.

You step left and change the stat to fit better.

That is also debunked.

Days later, you come back and restate the original debunked stat like something new and freshly served up.

You have no interest in the proofs that are plucked from your puddings.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 3:06:45 PM

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In 2020, Cousins had the 5th highest interception rate among passers with over 350 attempts. Only Wentz, Lock, Darnold, and Newton were ahead of him.

That is NOT taking "very good care" (per KGBum) of the ball.

Shhhhhh. Quit posting important facts. According to TJSweens, it is all meaningless.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 3:08:45 PM

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In 2020, Cousins had the 5th highest interception rate among passers with over 350 attempts. Only Wentz, Lock, Darnold, and Newton were ahead of him.

That is NOT taking "very good care" (per KGBum) of the ball.

Shhhhhh. Quit posting important facts. According to TJSweens, it is all meaningless.

That's a bald faced lie.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 3:09:10 PM

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How many fumbles actually occurred on rushing attempts? Otherwise, you're just combining 2 unrelated stats.

They are not unrelated at all. For some quarterbacks, the reward of running the football is worth the risk. If Cousins had the ability to run, he would. It's just another deficiency in his game. He can't run and he can't make plays in the final two minutes of halves.

Tom Brady can't run either. He had one lost fumble.
Philip Rivers, one.
Ben Roethlisberger, zero.

Why? Because they take care of the ball.

Unrelated and pointless. Quarterback runs end with the QB stepping out of bounds, crossing the goal line or hitting the deck before contact.

Are you saying Josh Allen, Taysom Hill, Lamar Jackson and Kyler Murray never got hit?

Never? No. Just not very often on running plays. QB's are trained to end the run before they get hit. Tell me how many of their fumbles came on runs.

I watched Josh Allen almost every play this season because he was my fantasy quarterback. The lion's share of his fumbles came when he was running. He doesn't duck anybody. He's a man child.

Provide the numbers for all the QB's you listed to support your argument.

No thank you. Innocent until proven guilty. You say I'm wrong. Prove it.

This is the problem.

You throw out a hand-picked stat to make a point.

Someone debunks that stat.

You step left and change the stat to fit better.

That is also debunked.

Days later, you come back and restate the original debunked stat like something new and freshly served up.

You have no interest in the proofs that are plucked from your puddings.

Who has debunked that stat? Nobody has debunked that stat. They have tried to minimize its importance, but nobody has succeeded. You can't be bad during crunch time. It's the ultimate stat. And he was bad.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 3:10:19 PM 1 votes

Trekgeekscott

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The thread since the Draft.

Cousin Sucks
No he doesn't
Yes he does
No he doesn't
Yes he does
Here's a cherry picked stat no he doesn't
Here's a dherry picked stat, yes he does
Hey guys, our oline sucks
doesn't matter cousins sucks,
no he doesn't
yes he does
no he doesn't
yes he does
Your stats are wrong. No he doesn't
Yes he does
Your an asshole
so are you
and Cousins doesn't suck
yes he does
no he doesn't
yes he does
no he doesn't
yes he does
Random QB doesn't suck like Cousins
No cousins is better
no he's worse
no he's better
no he's worse
no he's better
no he's worse
Hey guys can we talk about something else
**** off TGS
Cousins sucks
no he doesn't
yes he does
no he doesn't
yes he does
no he doesn't
you suck
no I don't
yes you do
no I don't
yes you do
I don't
Cousin still sucks here's another cherry picked stat
No he doesn't your stat is meaningless
no it isn't
yes it is
no it isn't
yes it is
no it isn't

then TGS makes a smarmy ass post

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 3:10:46 PM

Brad H

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In 2020, Cousins had the 5th highest interception rate among passers with over 350 attempts. Only Wentz, Lock, Darnold, and Newton were ahead of him.

That is NOT taking "very good care" (per KGBum) of the ball.

Shhhhhh. Quit posting important facts. According to TJSweens, it is all meaningless.

That's a bald faced lie.

Not a lie at all. Look back at your posts. They are all there to see. Get the popcorn.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 3:13:21 PM

TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

In 2020, Cousins had the 5th highest interception rate among passers with over 350 attempts. Only Wentz, Lock, Darnold, and Newton were ahead of him.

That is NOT taking "very good care" (per KGBum) of the ball.

Shhhhhh. Quit posting important facts. According to TJSweens, it is all meaningless.

That's a bald faced lie.

Not a lie at all. Look back at your posts. They are all there to see. Get the popcorn.

Innocent until proven guilty Brad. I'm asserting that was a bald faced lie. If you want to refute me, go find a post where I said an actual fact was meaningless.

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