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imo, spielman is trying to set the team up so he can pick a wr in the 1st round

I don't see it and I hope not. A run 1st team with 2 really good receivers and a decent TE should not be looking WR in the 1st.

It should be a guard...even if that entails a trade down. I don't know the perceived G value in this draft but we gotta be primed to get one of the best.

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Chiefs signed Kyle Long today. That's the guy the Vikings should have been looking at. Was a Pro Bowl guy his first three years in the league and then was hampered with injuries for four straight years. Comes out of retirement to protect Patrick Mahomes for $5-million.

I guess its possible he's gotten more durable as he's gotten older, but he appears to be held together by duct tape and ACE bandages.

In his last 4 years he's had ankle, foot, shoulder, elbow and neck injuries.

Seems like his knees are OK at least...

*Knocks on wood*

I think it goes a lot deeper than just a handful of nagging injuries. Long was a guy interested in broadcasting and business ventures and may have become a bit less interested in playing for a subpar Chicago organization than chasing other dreams. Now after a one-year retirement, the idea of playing in front of Mahomes seems rather enticing.

At $5-million for one year, he could end up being the steal of the 2021 free agency period. In his first three years in the league he was as good as any guard in the league. He didn't suddenly lose that talent. He's athletic enough where he may even play tackle.

It's an interesting gamble.
Long is really good when healthy.

For a Chiefs team that fell short because of line injuries I'm not sure this isn't setting yourself up for a repeat.

I would have been all for it if they Vikes had enticed him to play thought... although I don't think the Vikes are a team he comes out of retirement for at the moment.

Exactly. Long is a kid that came from money. He made great money playing for seven years and had a ton of other things going on in broadcasting, advertisements, etc.... However, if you give him a chance at a ring playing in front of a generational quarterback he's going to do it. $5-million? That's a freaking steal for the Chiefs.

Or he could get hurt in the preseason and not play all year.

OG is supposed to be the easiest spot to fill----which makes it the hardest for the Vikings. Typical.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Chiefs signed Kyle Long today. That's the guy the Vikings should have been looking at. Was a Pro Bowl guy his first three years in the league and then was hampered with injuries for four straight years. Comes out of retirement to protect Patrick Mahomes for $5-million.

I guess its possible he's gotten more durable as he's gotten older, but he appears to be held together by duct tape and ACE bandages.

In his last 4 years he's had ankle, foot, shoulder, elbow and neck injuries.

Seems like his knees are OK at least...

*Knocks on wood*

I think it goes a lot deeper than just a handful of nagging injuries. Long was a guy interested in broadcasting and business ventures and may have become a bit less interested in playing for a subpar Chicago organization than chasing other dreams. Now after a one-year retirement, the idea of playing in front of Mahomes seems rather enticing.

At $5-million for one year, he could end up being the steal of the 2021 free agency period. In his first three years in the league he was as good as any guard in the league. He didn't suddenly lose that talent. He's athletic enough where he may even play tackle.

It's an interesting gamble.
Long is really good when healthy.

For a Chiefs team that fell short because of line injuries I'm not sure this isn't setting yourself up for a repeat.

I would have been all for it if they Vikes had enticed him to play thought... although I don't think the Vikes are a team he comes out of retirement for at the moment.

Exactly. Long is a kid that came from money. He made great money playing for seven years and had a ton of other things going on in broadcasting, advertisements, etc.... However, if you give him a chance at a ring playing in front of a generational quarterback he's going to do it. $5-million? That's a freaking steal for the Chiefs.

Or he could get hurt in the preseason and not play all year.

OG is supposed to be the easiest spot to fill----which makes it the hardest for the Vikings. Typical.

Sure he could. So could anybody for that matter. But at $5-million that could end up being one of the best signings of the year if he's right.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Chiefs signed Kyle Long today. That's the guy the Vikings should have been looking at. Was a Pro Bowl guy his first three years in the league and then was hampered with injuries for four straight years. Comes out of retirement to protect Patrick Mahomes for $5-million.

I guess its possible he's gotten more durable as he's gotten older, but he appears to be held together by duct tape and ACE bandages.

In his last 4 years he's had ankle, foot, shoulder, elbow and neck injuries.

Seems like his knees are OK at least...

*Knocks on wood*

I think it goes a lot deeper than just a handful of nagging injuries. Long was a guy interested in broadcasting and business ventures and may have become a bit less interested in playing for a subpar Chicago organization than chasing other dreams. Now after a one-year retirement, the idea of playing in front of Mahomes seems rather enticing.

At $5-million for one year, he could end up being the steal of the 2021 free agency period. In his first three years in the league he was as good as any guard in the league. He didn't suddenly lose that talent. He's athletic enough where he may even play tackle.

It's an interesting gamble.
Long is really good when healthy.

For a Chiefs team that fell short because of line injuries I'm not sure this isn't setting yourself up for a repeat.

I would have been all for it if they Vikes had enticed him to play thought... although I don't think the Vikes are a team he comes out of retirement for at the moment.

Exactly. Long is a kid that came from money. He made great money playing for seven years and had a ton of other things going on in broadcasting, advertisements, etc.... However, if you give him a chance at a ring playing in front of a generational quarterback he's going to do it. $5-million? That's a freaking steal for the Chiefs.

Or he could get hurt in the preseason and not play all year.

OG is supposed to be the easiest spot to fill----which makes it the hardest for the Vikings. Typical.

Sure he could. So could anybody for that matter. But at $5-million that could end up being one of the best signings of the year if he's right.

It seems like an overpay for a unretired OG with injuries. Chiefs currently have a worse line then we do---so there is that.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Chiefs signed Kyle Long today. That's the guy the Vikings should have been looking at. Was a Pro Bowl guy his first three years in the league and then was hampered with injuries for four straight years. Comes out of retirement to protect Patrick Mahomes for $5-million.

I guess its possible he's gotten more durable as he's gotten older, but he appears to be held together by duct tape and ACE bandages.

In his last 4 years he's had ankle, foot, shoulder, elbow and neck injuries.

Seems like his knees are OK at least...

*Knocks on wood*

I think it goes a lot deeper than just a handful of nagging injuries. Long was a guy interested in broadcasting and business ventures and may have become a bit less interested in playing for a subpar Chicago organization than chasing other dreams. Now after a one-year retirement, the idea of playing in front of Mahomes seems rather enticing.

At $5-million for one year, he could end up being the steal of the 2021 free agency period. In his first three years in the league he was as good as any guard in the league. He didn't suddenly lose that talent. He's athletic enough where he may even play tackle.

It's an interesting gamble.
Long is really good when healthy.

For a Chiefs team that fell short because of line injuries I'm not sure this isn't setting yourself up for a repeat.

I would have been all for it if they Vikes had enticed him to play thought... although I don't think the Vikes are a team he comes out of retirement for at the moment.

Exactly. Long is a kid that came from money. He made great money playing for seven years and had a ton of other things going on in broadcasting, advertisements, etc.... However, if you give him a chance at a ring playing in front of a generational quarterback he's going to do it. $5-million? That's a freaking steal for the Chiefs.

Or he could get hurt in the preseason and not play all year.

OG is supposed to be the easiest spot to fill----which makes it the hardest for the Vikings. Typical.

Sure he could. So could anybody for that matter. But at $5-million that could end up being one of the best signings of the year if he's right.

It seems like an overpay for a unretired OG with injuries. Chiefs currently have a worse line then we do---so there is that.

We'll have to agree to disagree. $5-million is not a lot of money in the NFL. And he's likely way more healthy now than he was 14 months ago. Sounds like a potential win-win for both sides.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Chiefs signed Kyle Long today. That's the guy the Vikings should have been looking at. Was a Pro Bowl guy his first three years in the league and then was hampered with injuries for four straight years. Comes out of retirement to protect Patrick Mahomes for $5-million.

I guess its possible he's gotten more durable as he's gotten older, but he appears to be held together by duct tape and ACE bandages.

In his last 4 years he's had ankle, foot, shoulder, elbow and neck injuries.

Seems like his knees are OK at least...

*Knocks on wood*

I think it goes a lot deeper than just a handful of nagging injuries. Long was a guy interested in broadcasting and business ventures and may have become a bit less interested in playing for a subpar Chicago organization than chasing other dreams. Now after a one-year retirement, the idea of playing in front of Mahomes seems rather enticing.

At $5-million for one year, he could end up being the steal of the 2021 free agency period. In his first three years in the league he was as good as any guard in the league. He didn't suddenly lose that talent. He's athletic enough where he may even play tackle.

It's an interesting gamble.
Long is really good when healthy.

For a Chiefs team that fell short because of line injuries I'm not sure this isn't setting yourself up for a repeat.

I would have been all for it if they Vikes had enticed him to play thought... although I don't think the Vikes are a team he comes out of retirement for at the moment.

Exactly. Long is a kid that came from money. He made great money playing for seven years and had a ton of other things going on in broadcasting, advertisements, etc.... However, if you give him a chance at a ring playing in front of a generational quarterback he's going to do it. $5-million? That's a freaking steal for the Chiefs.

Or he could get hurt in the preseason and not play all year.

OG is supposed to be the easiest spot to fill----which makes it the hardest for the Vikings. Typical.

Sure he could. So could anybody for that matter. But at $5-million that could end up being one of the best signings of the year if he's right.

It seems like an overpay for a unretired OG with injuries. Chiefs currently have a worse line then we do---so there is that.

We'll have to agree to disagree. $5-million is not a lot of money in the NFL. And he's likely way more healthy now than he was 14 months ago. Sounds like a potential win-win for both sides.

It's a big gamble.

If he stays healthy it's a big win.

If he misses the playoffs, Mahomes ends up running for his life again and you might have squandered another SB run.

We shall see.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Chiefs signed Kyle Long today. That's the guy the Vikings should have been looking at. Was a Pro Bowl guy his first three years in the league and then was hampered with injuries for four straight years. Comes out of retirement to protect Patrick Mahomes for $5-million.

I guess its possible he's gotten more durable as he's gotten older, but he appears to be held together by duct tape and ACE bandages.

In his last 4 years he's had ankle, foot, shoulder, elbow and neck injuries.

Seems like his knees are OK at least...

*Knocks on wood*

I think it goes a lot deeper than just a handful of nagging injuries. Long was a guy interested in broadcasting and business ventures and may have become a bit less interested in playing for a subpar Chicago organization than chasing other dreams. Now after a one-year retirement, the idea of playing in front of Mahomes seems rather enticing.

At $5-million for one year, he could end up being the steal of the 2021 free agency period. In his first three years in the league he was as good as any guard in the league. He didn't suddenly lose that talent. He's athletic enough where he may even play tackle.

It's an interesting gamble.
Long is really good when healthy.

For a Chiefs team that fell short because of line injuries I'm not sure this isn't setting yourself up for a repeat.

I would have been all for it if they Vikes had enticed him to play thought... although I don't think the Vikes are a team he comes out of retirement for at the moment.

Exactly. Long is a kid that came from money. He made great money playing for seven years and had a ton of other things going on in broadcasting, advertisements, etc.... However, if you give him a chance at a ring playing in front of a generational quarterback he's going to do it. $5-million? That's a freaking steal for the Chiefs.

Or he could get hurt in the preseason and not play all year.

OG is supposed to be the easiest spot to fill----which makes it the hardest for the Vikings. Typical.

Sure he could. So could anybody for that matter. But at $5-million that could end up being one of the best signings of the year if he's right.

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Chiefs signed Kyle Long today. That's the guy the Vikings should have been looking at. Was a Pro Bowl guy his first three years in the league and then was hampered with injuries for four straight years. Comes out of retirement to protect Patrick Mahomes for $5-million.

I guess its possible he's gotten more durable as he's gotten older, but he appears to be held together by duct tape and ACE bandages.

In his last 4 years he's had ankle, foot, shoulder, elbow and neck injuries.

Seems like his knees are OK at least...

*Knocks on wood*

I think it goes a lot deeper than just a handful of nagging injuries. Long was a guy interested in broadcasting and business ventures and may have become a bit less interested in playing for a subpar Chicago organization than chasing other dreams. Now after a one-year retirement, the idea of playing in front of Mahomes seems rather enticing.

At $5-million for one year, he could end up being the steal of the 2021 free agency period. In his first three years in the league he was as good as any guard in the league. He didn't suddenly lose that talent. He's athletic enough where he may even play tackle.

It's an interesting gamble.
Long is really good when healthy.

For a Chiefs team that fell short because of line injuries I'm not sure this isn't setting yourself up for a repeat.

I would have been all for it if they Vikes had enticed him to play thought... although I don't think the Vikes are a team he comes out of retirement for at the moment.

Exactly. Long is a kid that came from money. He made great money playing for seven years and had a ton of other things going on in broadcasting, advertisements, etc.... However, if you give him a chance at a ring playing in front of a generational quarterback he's going to do it. $5-million? That's a freaking steal for the Chiefs.

Or he could get hurt in the preseason and not play all year.

OG is supposed to be the easiest spot to fill----which makes it the hardest for the Vikings. Typical.

Sure he could. So could anybody for that matter. But at $5-million that could end up being one of the best signings of the year if he's right.

It seems like an overpay for a unretired OG with injuries. Chiefs currently have a worse line then we do---so there is that.

We'll have to agree to disagree. $5-million is not a lot of money in the NFL. And he's likely way more healthy now than he was 14 months ago. Sounds like a potential win-win for both sides.

It's a big gamble.

If he stays healthy it's a big win.

If he misses the playoffs, Mahomes ends up running for his life again and you might have squandered another SB run.

We shall see.

How is $5-million a big gamble? Pat Elflein makes $4.5-million. Who would you rather have?

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Chiefs signed Kyle Long today. That's the guy the Vikings should have been looking at. Was a Pro Bowl guy his first three years in the league and then was hampered with injuries for four straight years. Comes out of retirement to protect Patrick Mahomes for $5-million.

I guess its possible he's gotten more durable as he's gotten older, but he appears to be held together by duct tape and ACE bandages.

In his last 4 years he's had ankle, foot, shoulder, elbow and neck injuries.

Seems like his knees are OK at least...

*Knocks on wood*

I think it goes a lot deeper than just a handful of nagging injuries. Long was a guy interested in broadcasting and business ventures and may have become a bit less interested in playing for a subpar Chicago organization than chasing other dreams. Now after a one-year retirement, the idea of playing in front of Mahomes seems rather enticing.

At $5-million for one year, he could end up being the steal of the 2021 free agency period. In his first three years in the league he was as good as any guard in the league. He didn't suddenly lose that talent. He's athletic enough where he may even play tackle.

It's an interesting gamble.
Long is really good when healthy.

For a Chiefs team that fell short because of line injuries I'm not sure this isn't setting yourself up for a repeat.

I would have been all for it if they Vikes had enticed him to play thought... although I don't think the Vikes are a team he comes out of retirement for at the moment.

Exactly. Long is a kid that came from money. He made great money playing for seven years and had a ton of other things going on in broadcasting, advertisements, etc.... However, if you give him a chance at a ring playing in front of a generational quarterback he's going to do it. $5-million? That's a freaking steal for the Chiefs.

Or he could get hurt in the preseason and not play all year.

OG is supposed to be the easiest spot to fill----which makes it the hardest for the Vikings. Typical.

Sure he could. So could anybody for that matter. But at $5-million that could end up being one of the best signings of the year if he's right.

It seems like an overpay for a unretired OG with injuries. Chiefs currently have a worse line then we do---so there is that.

We'll have to agree to disagree. $5-million is not a lot of money in the NFL. And he's likely way more healthy now than he was 14 months ago. Sounds like a potential win-win for both sides.

It's a big gamble.

If he stays healthy it's a big win.

If he misses the playoffs, Mahomes ends up running for his life again and you might have squandered another SB run.

We shall see.

How is $5-million a big gamble? Pat Elflein makes $4.5-million. Who would you rather have?

It's not the money... $5 mil is nothing for a lineman.
It's the expectation he is going to be there with a lengthy injury history.
If you get to week 14 and boom he goes down for remainder of the year it's too late to get a decent replacement.
Oft injured players are a time bomb.

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Chiefs signed Kyle Long today. That's the guy the Vikings should have been looking at. Was a Pro Bowl guy his first three years in the league and then was hampered with injuries for four straight years. Comes out of retirement to protect Patrick Mahomes for $5-million.

I guess its possible he's gotten more durable as he's gotten older, but he appears to be held together by duct tape and ACE bandages.

In his last 4 years he's had ankle, foot, shoulder, elbow and neck injuries.

Seems like his knees are OK at least...

*Knocks on wood*

I think it goes a lot deeper than just a handful of nagging injuries. Long was a guy interested in broadcasting and business ventures and may have become a bit less interested in playing for a subpar Chicago organization than chasing other dreams. Now after a one-year retirement, the idea of playing in front of Mahomes seems rather enticing.

At $5-million for one year, he could end up being the steal of the 2021 free agency period. In his first three years in the league he was as good as any guard in the league. He didn't suddenly lose that talent. He's athletic enough where he may even play tackle.

It's an interesting gamble.
Long is really good when healthy.

For a Chiefs team that fell short because of line injuries I'm not sure this isn't setting yourself up for a repeat.

I would have been all for it if they Vikes had enticed him to play thought... although I don't think the Vikes are a team he comes out of retirement for at the moment.

Exactly. Long is a kid that came from money. He made great money playing for seven years and had a ton of other things going on in broadcasting, advertisements, etc.... However, if you give him a chance at a ring playing in front of a generational quarterback he's going to do it. $5-million? That's a freaking steal for the Chiefs.

Or he could get hurt in the preseason and not play all year.

OG is supposed to be the easiest spot to fill----which makes it the hardest for the Vikings. Typical.

Sure he could. So could anybody for that matter. But at $5-million that could end up being one of the best signings of the year if he's right.

It seems like an overpay for a unretired OG with injuries. Chiefs currently have a worse line then we do---so there is that.

We'll have to agree to disagree. $5-million is not a lot of money in the NFL. And he's likely way more healthy now than he was 14 months ago. Sounds like a potential win-win for both sides.

It's a big gamble.

If he stays healthy it's a big win.

If he misses the playoffs, Mahomes ends up running for his life again and you might have squandered another SB run.

We shall see.

How is $5-million a big gamble? Pat Elflein makes $4.5-million. Who would you rather have?

It's not the money... $5 mil is nothing for a lineman.
It's the expectation he is going to be there with a lengthy injury history.
If you get to week 14 and boom he goes down for remainder of the year it's too late to get a decent replacement.
Oft injured players are a time bomb.

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There is no way, no how that a QB of Cousins' caliber would garner anything less than $25M on the open market. $15M is a ridiculously low figure.

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There is no way, no how that a QB of Cousins' caliber would garner anything less than $25M on the open market. $15M is a ridiculously low figure.

Admittedly, my opinion. I think he's, at-best, a mediocre quarterback. Somewhere in the 15-20 range of quarterbacks in the league, maybe lower.

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Chiefs signed Kyle Long today. That's the guy the Vikings should have been looking at. Was a Pro Bowl guy his first three years in the league and then was hampered with injuries for four straight years. Comes out of retirement to protect Patrick Mahomes for $5-million.

I guess its possible he's gotten more durable as he's gotten older, but he appears to be held together by duct tape and ACE bandages.

In his last 4 years he's had ankle, foot, shoulder, elbow and neck injuries.

Seems like his knees are OK at least...

*Knocks on wood*

I think it goes a lot deeper than just a handful of nagging injuries. Long was a guy interested in broadcasting and business ventures and may have become a bit less interested in playing for a subpar Chicago organization than chasing other dreams. Now after a one-year retirement, the idea of playing in front of Mahomes seems rather enticing.

At $5-million for one year, he could end up being the steal of the 2021 free agency period. In his first three years in the league he was as good as any guard in the league. He didn't suddenly lose that talent. He's athletic enough where he may even play tackle.

It's an interesting gamble.
Long is really good when healthy.

For a Chiefs team that fell short because of line injuries I'm not sure this isn't setting yourself up for a repeat.

I would have been all for it if they Vikes had enticed him to play thought... although I don't think the Vikes are a team he comes out of retirement for at the moment.

Exactly. Long is a kid that came from money. He made great money playing for seven years and had a ton of other things going on in broadcasting, advertisements, etc.... However, if you give him a chance at a ring playing in front of a generational quarterback he's going to do it. $5-million? That's a freaking steal for the Chiefs.

Or he could get hurt in the preseason and not play all year.

OG is supposed to be the easiest spot to fill----which makes it the hardest for the Vikings. Typical.

Sure he could. So could anybody for that matter. But at $5-million that could end up being one of the best signings of the year if he's right.

It seems like an overpay for a unretired OG with injuries. Chiefs currently have a worse line then we do---so there is that.

We'll have to agree to disagree. $5-million is not a lot of money in the NFL. And he's likely way more healthy now than he was 14 months ago. Sounds like a potential win-win for both sides.

It's a big gamble.

If he stays healthy it's a big win.

If he misses the playoffs, Mahomes ends up running for his life again and you might have squandered another SB run.

We shall see.

How is $5-million a big gamble? Pat Elflein makes $4.5-million. Who would you rather have?

It's not the money... $5 mil is nothing for a lineman.
It's the expectation he is going to be there with a lengthy injury history.
If you get to week 14 and boom he goes down for remainder of the year it's too late to get a decent replacement.
Oft injured players are a time bomb.

Long is a $10-million guard making $5-million. Cousins is a $15-million quarterback making $33-million. It's an example of why the Chiefs are good and the Vikings are not.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Chiefs signed Kyle Long today. That's the guy the Vikings should have been looking at. Was a Pro Bowl guy his first three years in the league and then was hampered with injuries for four straight years. Comes out of retirement to protect Patrick Mahomes for $5-million.

I guess its possible he's gotten more durable as he's gotten older, but he appears to be held together by duct tape and ACE bandages.

In his last 4 years he's had ankle, foot, shoulder, elbow and neck injuries.

Seems like his knees are OK at least...

*Knocks on wood*

I think it goes a lot deeper than just a handful of nagging injuries. Long was a guy interested in broadcasting and business ventures and may have become a bit less interested in playing for a subpar Chicago organization than chasing other dreams. Now after a one-year retirement, the idea of playing in front of Mahomes seems rather enticing.

At $5-million for one year, he could end up being the steal of the 2021 free agency period. In his first three years in the league he was as good as any guard in the league. He didn't suddenly lose that talent. He's athletic enough where he may even play tackle.

It's an interesting gamble.
Long is really good when healthy.

For a Chiefs team that fell short because of line injuries I'm not sure this isn't setting yourself up for a repeat.

I would have been all for it if they Vikes had enticed him to play thought... although I don't think the Vikes are a team he comes out of retirement for at the moment.

Exactly. Long is a kid that came from money. He made great money playing for seven years and had a ton of other things going on in broadcasting, advertisements, etc.... However, if you give him a chance at a ring playing in front of a generational quarterback he's going to do it. $5-million? That's a freaking steal for the Chiefs.

Or he could get hurt in the preseason and not play all year.

OG is supposed to be the easiest spot to fill----which makes it the hardest for the Vikings. Typical.

Sure he could. So could anybody for that matter. But at $5-million that could end up being one of the best signings of the year if he's right.

It seems like an overpay for a unretired OG with injuries. Chiefs currently have a worse line then we do---so there is that.

We'll have to agree to disagree. $5-million is not a lot of money in the NFL. And he's likely way more healthy now than he was 14 months ago. Sounds like a potential win-win for both sides.

It's a big gamble.

If he stays healthy it's a big win.

If he misses the playoffs, Mahomes ends up running for his life again and you might have squandered another SB run.

We shall see.

How is $5-million a big gamble? Pat Elflein makes $4.5-million. Who would you rather have?

It's not the money... $5 mil is nothing for a lineman.
It's the expectation he is going to be there with a lengthy injury history.
If you get to week 14 and boom he goes down for remainder of the year it's too late to get a decent replacement.
Oft injured players are a time bomb.

Long is a $10-million guard making $5-million. Cousins is a $15-million quarterback making $33-million. It's an example of why the Chiefs are good and the Vikings are not.

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Chiefs signed Kyle Long today. That's the guy the Vikings should have been looking at. Was a Pro Bowl guy his first three years in the league and then was hampered with injuries for four straight years. Comes out of retirement to protect Patrick Mahomes for $5-million.

I guess its possible he's gotten more durable as he's gotten older, but he appears to be held together by duct tape and ACE bandages.

In his last 4 years he's had ankle, foot, shoulder, elbow and neck injuries.

Seems like his knees are OK at least...

*Knocks on wood*

I think it goes a lot deeper than just a handful of nagging injuries. Long was a guy interested in broadcasting and business ventures and may have become a bit less interested in playing for a subpar Chicago organization than chasing other dreams. Now after a one-year retirement, the idea of playing in front of Mahomes seems rather enticing.

At $5-million for one year, he could end up being the steal of the 2021 free agency period. In his first three years in the league he was as good as any guard in the league. He didn't suddenly lose that talent. He's athletic enough where he may even play tackle.

It's an interesting gamble.
Long is really good when healthy.

For a Chiefs team that fell short because of line injuries I'm not sure this isn't setting yourself up for a repeat.

I would have been all for it if they Vikes had enticed him to play thought... although I don't think the Vikes are a team he comes out of retirement for at the moment.

Exactly. Long is a kid that came from money. He made great money playing for seven years and had a ton of other things going on in broadcasting, advertisements, etc.... However, if you give him a chance at a ring playing in front of a generational quarterback he's going to do it. $5-million? That's a freaking steal for the Chiefs.

Or he could get hurt in the preseason and not play all year.

OG is supposed to be the easiest spot to fill----which makes it the hardest for the Vikings. Typical.

Sure he could. So could anybody for that matter. But at $5-million that could end up being one of the best signings of the year if he's right.

It seems like an overpay for a unretired OG with injuries. Chiefs currently have a worse line then we do---so there is that.

We'll have to agree to disagree. $5-million is not a lot of money in the NFL. And he's likely way more healthy now than he was 14 months ago. Sounds like a potential win-win for both sides.

It's a big gamble.

If he stays healthy it's a big win.

If he misses the playoffs, Mahomes ends up running for his life again and you might have squandered another SB run.

We shall see.

How is $5-million a big gamble? Pat Elflein makes $4.5-million. Who would you rather have?

It's not the money... $5 mil is nothing for a lineman.
It's the expectation he is going to be there with a lengthy injury history.
If you get to week 14 and boom he goes down for remainder of the year it's too late to get a decent replacement.
Oft injured players are a time bomb.

Long is a $10-million guard making $5-million. Cousins is a $15-million quarterback making $33-million. It's an example of why the Chiefs are good and the Vikings are not.

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The same Xavier Rhodes who had, arguably, his best season last year?

Yep...that one. He was great here, wasn't he? Welcome Patrick Peterson...PFF 90th rated CB last year! I think Danzler was rated higher lol.

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There is no way, no how that a QB of Cousins' caliber would garner anything less than $25M on the open market. $15M is a ridiculously low figure.

Admittedly, my opinion. I think he's, at-best, a mediocre quarterback. Somewhere in the 15-20 range of quarterbacks in the league, maybe lower.

I guess if you're determined to dislike Cousins, you're going to dislike Cousins.

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There is no way, no how that a QB of Cousins' caliber would garner anything less than $25M on the open market. $15M is a ridiculously low figure.

Admittedly, my opinion. I think he's, at-best, a mediocre quarterback. Somewhere in the 15-20 range of quarterbacks in the league, maybe lower.

I guess if you're determined to dislike Cousins, you're going to dislike Cousins.

Tell me how many of these guys you'd rather have than Cousins.

Upper-Tier Guys:
Josh Allen
Lamar Jackson
Tom Brady
Patrick Mahomes
Dak Prescott
Aaron Rodgers
Deshaun Watson
Russell Wilson

Middle-Tier Guys (high ceiling):
Kyler Murray
Matthew Stafford
Joe Burrow
Justin Herbert
Trevor Lawrence

Middle-Tier Guys (medium ceiling):
Baker Mayfield
Derek Carr
Jalen Hurts
Jimmy G
Ryan Tannehill
Ben Roethlisberger

Middle-Tier Guys (low ceiling): (I would put Cousins in this grouping)
Sam Darnold
Matt Ryan
Teddy Bridgewater
Cam Newton
Mitchell Trubisky
Tua Tagovailoa
Carson Wentz

Lower-Tier Guys:
Drew Lock
Mike Glennon
Jared Goff
Daniel Jones
Saints starter (Winston or Hill)

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There is no way, no how that a QB of Cousins' caliber would garner anything less than $25M on the open market. $15M is a ridiculously low figure.

Admittedly, my opinion. I think he's, at-best, a mediocre quarterback. Somewhere in the 15-20 range of quarterbacks in the league, maybe lower.

I guess if you're determined to dislike Cousins, you're going to dislike Cousins.

Tell me how many of these guys you'd rather have than Cousins.

Upper-Tier Guys:
Josh Allen
Lamar Jackson
Tom Brady
Patrick Mahomes
Dak Prescott
Aaron Rodgers
Deshaun Watson
Russell Wilson

Middle-Tier Guys (high ceiling):
Kyler Murray
Matthew Stafford
Joe Burrow
Justin Herbert
Trevor Lawrence

Middle-Tier Guys (medium ceiling):
Baker Mayfield
Derek Carr
Jalen Hurts
Jimmy G
Ryan Tannehill
Ben Roethlisberger

Middle-Tier Guys (low ceiling): (I would put Cousins in this grouping)
Sam Darnold
Matt Ryan
Teddy Bridgewater
Cam Newton
Mitchell Trubisky
Tua Tagovailoa
Carson Wentz

Lower-Tier Guys:
Drew Lock
Mike Glennon
Jared Goff
Daniel Jones
Saints starter (Winston or Hill)

Where are Mariota and Brees in your grouping? The 15 million/year guys?

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There is no way, no how that a QB of Cousins' caliber would garner anything less than $25M on the open market. $15M is a ridiculously low figure.

Admittedly, my opinion. I think he's, at-best, a mediocre quarterback. Somewhere in the 15-20 range of quarterbacks in the league, maybe lower.

I guess if you're determined to dislike Cousins, you're going to dislike Cousins.

Tell me how many of these guys you'd rather have than Cousins.

Upper-Tier Guys:
Josh Allen
Lamar Jackson
Tom Brady
Patrick Mahomes
Dak Prescott
Aaron Rodgers
Deshaun Watson
Russell Wilson

Middle-Tier Guys (high ceiling):
Kyler Murray
Matthew Stafford
Joe Burrow
Justin Herbert
Trevor Lawrence

Middle-Tier Guys (medium ceiling):
Baker Mayfield
Derek Carr
Jalen Hurts
Jimmy G
Ryan Tannehill
Ben Roethlisberger

Middle-Tier Guys (low ceiling): (I would put Cousins in this grouping)
Sam Darnold
Matt Ryan
Teddy Bridgewater
Cam Newton
Mitchell Trubisky
Tua Tagovailoa
Carson Wentz

Lower-Tier Guys:
Drew Lock
Mike Glennon
Jared Goff
Daniel Jones
Saints starter (Winston or Hill)

Where are Mariota and Brees in your grouping? The 15 million/year guys?

Drew Brees is right next to Joe Montana. Retired.

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There is no way, no how that a QB of Cousins' caliber would garner anything less than $25M on the open market. $15M is a ridiculously low figure.

Admittedly, my opinion. I think he's, at-best, a mediocre quarterback. Somewhere in the 15-20 range of quarterbacks in the league, maybe lower.

I guess if you're determined to dislike Cousins, you're going to dislike Cousins.

Tell me how many of these guys you'd rather have than Cousins.

Upper-Tier Guys:
Josh Allen
Lamar Jackson
Tom Brady
Patrick Mahomes
Dak Prescott
Aaron Rodgers
Deshaun Watson
Russell Wilson

Middle-Tier Guys (high ceiling):
Kyler Murray
Matthew Stafford
Joe Burrow
Justin Herbert
Trevor Lawrence

Middle-Tier Guys (medium ceiling):
Baker Mayfield
Derek Carr
Jalen Hurts
Jimmy G
Ryan Tannehill
Ben Roethlisberger

Middle-Tier Guys (low ceiling): (I would put Cousins in this grouping)
Sam Darnold
Matt Ryan
Teddy Bridgewater
Cam Newton
Mitchell Trubisky
Tua Tagovailoa
Carson Wentz

Lower-Tier Guys:
Drew Lock
Mike Glennon
Jared Goff
Daniel Jones
Saints starter (Winston or Hill)

Where are Mariota and Brees in your grouping? The 15 million/year guys?

Drew Brees is right next to Joe Montana. Retired.

So going thru your list which of those guys worth $15million or less we can get w/o any more than $15 million compensation, just wondering. Sam Bradford made more than that in 2016.

Lets go back to 2018
Sam at $18, Teddy at $7-12, Keenum at $18 million. Those were our other choices.....

How do you get to your choices in 2021 from those available in 2018 and only pay $15million/year....i'll hang up and listen.