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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/24/2021 5:49:11 PM

Bill Johanesen

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What's worse is, they may bench Cleveland and use Udoh at LG because he has the better measurables or caloric intake or something for a LG.

Damn I was going to wrap Udoh into a significant role but couldn't think of something outrageous yet believable with this regime. You are hitting on all cylinders.

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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/24/2021 5:54:13 PM

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I agree, many seem to assume Cleveland is out LT of the future and I'm not sure where that vote of confidence is coming from. Playing LT in college doesn't mean a whole lot in the NFL.

He hasn't shown me anything all that great just yet. I'm not sure if he's the future LT, current guard, or future backup versatile lineman.
I do know that if Penei Sewell lasts until 9 we better go get him. I don't give a crap where Cleveland fits in.

But I'd be shocked to see him available at 9

The vote of confidence is inherent in being a second round pick.

As for Cleveland not showing you anything "all that great just yet", go back a week and pretend you are Sweeney. Read the parts where Cleveland was playing a position he isn't built for nor played at.

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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/24/2021 5:54:54 PM

Bill Johanesen

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I agree, many seem to assume Cleveland is out LT of the future and I'm not sure where that vote of confidence is coming from. Playing LT in college doesn't mean a whole lot in the NFL.

He hasn't shown me anything all that great just yet. I'm not sure if he's the future LT, current guard, or future backup versatile lineman.
I do know that if Penei Sewell lasts until 9 we better go get him. I don't give a crap where Cleveland fits in.

But I'd be shocked to see him available at 9

Playing LT in college doesn't mean a whole lot in the NFL.

Nice.

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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/24/2021 6:03:03 PM

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So any decent OL at any position signed traded or drafted will fit perfectly into our 'grand design'.

Right. If Cleveland moves to LT, the next G we sign or draft is going to immediately be penciled in as a starter. Maybe the next TWO guards. No battling it out in camp. No nothing. That's how bad things are.

As usual, Spielman is approaching the Oline with a wing and a prayer. That said, it seems like there's a "smart" way to approach the problem, namely, sign Eric Fisher to a 1 yr deal at LT, then draft Alijah Vera-Tucker at 14 and Ben Cleveland in the 3rd. If Fisher is fully recovered from his injury, then we're set at LT. We're also set at LG with AVT and Ben Cleveland provides quality backup at G. If Fisher isn't 100%, we start AVT at LT and slide Ben Cleveland in at LG. While plan B could go south as starting 2 rookies is a big risk, at least we'd still have the possibility of competing. Conversely, if plan A works out, we could actually field a decent oline and have some depth. Of course, every year folks on this board come up with completely viable options to address the oline, and every year the line is a dumpster fire....

This would be a smart plan. Which is why it wont happen.

Mike Zimmer likes his defensive backs. There is no way one of this top two picks isn't going to be a Safety.

Further, I seriously doubt we will be picking at 14, and we wont be moving up. RS will look to add a 2nd rounder and a handful of 7th rounders by trading down.

I wouldn't be surprised if Wilf stepped in and said you better get a second rounder to make up for losing 1+ rounds and a bunch of my money for the Yanny rental fiasco. And oh, if you give away the farm to recoup that second rounder then pack your bags.

Well, one can wish.

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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/24/2021 8:59:49 PM

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Turns out the #Vikings did make a contract offer to free-agent guard Nick Easton to return to the team. But that offer made wasn't to the liking of Easton, who played for Minnesota from 2015-18. He is continuing to look around and has visited this week to Houston.

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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/24/2021 9:20:56 PM

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What's more humiliating, that we tried to sign Easton or that he turned us down?

GZUZ sometimes I just want to Thanos Snap my Vikings into oblivion.

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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/25/2021 8:18:50 AM

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Might want to think twice about signing Eric Fisher. I stole this post from another site that sums up what we can expect from Fisher

The key sentence in that article is the following:

"The working theory is that Fisher will be ready by summer, no matter the team he joins."

I'm curious; who's "working theory" is that? A medical professional? Fisher's agent?

Here's a March 2018 article from Healio.com (link) - a medical website - that concluded that although 73% of NFL players returned to the NFL after Achilles tendon repair, they didn't return until an average of 339.8 days after surgery, which is nearly a full year after surgery.

Here's another March 2010 another article from lermagazine (ler standing for lower extremity repair) which concluded that "Of the 31 players who sustained an Achilles tendon rupture, 21 (64%) returned to play in the NFL at an average of 11 months after injury. In the three seasons following their return, those 21 players saw significant decreases in games played and power ratings compared to the three seasons preceding the injury." (link)

I tried to find a couple of examples of OT's that suffered Achilles tears and see what their recovery time was...one example I found was Eagles OT Jason Peters who suffered a similar injury in March 2012 and he missed the entire 2012 season. I couldn't find another off a quick Google search except for Eagles OG Brandon Brooks who suffered his injury in June 2020 and missed the season, but that was right before Training Camp so that was to be expected.

While I'm sure modern medicine has come along ways from the sources I referenced, I'm not sure Fisher will be ready to go by summer per someone's "working theory"....which means spending 2021 cap dollars for someone who very likely won't be playing in 2021 doesn't make sense, especially a team who think they're "contending" like the Vikings do...

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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/25/2021 10:09:34 AM

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What's more humiliating, that we tried to sign Easton or that he turned us down?

GZUZ sometimes I just want to Thanos Snap my Vikings into oblivion.

Especially since this wreaks of a scenario where the Vikings thought Easton had declined to a point where he would be in their price range.

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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/25/2021 1:46:49 PM

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WE GOT HIM!!!

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#Vikings acquiring Mason Cole, who was Arizona's starting center last season, for a sixth-round pick.

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New #Vikings offensive lineman Mason Cole also can play guard. Last year, Pro Football Focus ranked him No. 31 out of 36 NFL centers while Garrett Bradbury was No. 25.

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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/25/2021 2:06:10 PM

Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

WE GOT HIM!!!

Chris Tomasson@christomasson
#Vikings acquiring Mason Cole, who was Arizona's starting center last season, for a sixth-round pick.

Chris Tomasson@christomasson
New #Vikings offensive lineman Mason Cole also can play guard. Last year, Pro Football Focus ranked him No. 31 out of 36 NFL centers while Garrett Bradbury was No. 25.

"Acquiring? Don't talk about Acquiring! You kidding me? Acquiring?"

For a 6th rd pick?

Infinity stones where are you?

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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/25/2021 2:09:16 PM

Tom Sykes

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Well, I did say anyone signed, traded for or drafted.

Just aim for my head now, Thor.

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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/25/2021 2:12:12 PM

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WE GOT HIM!!!

Chris Tomasson@christomasson
#Vikings acquiring Mason Cole, who was Arizona's starting center last season, for a sixth-round pick.

Chris Tomasson@christomasson
New #Vikings offensive lineman Mason Cole also can play guard. Last year, Pro Football Focus ranked him No. 31 out of 36 NFL centers while Garrett Bradbury was No. 25.

It's starting to look like Rick's goal is to get Cousins killed by midseason.

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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/25/2021 2:12:34 PM

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Minnesota announced Thursday that it has added Mason Cole to the roster in a deal with Arizona. The Vikings sent a sixth-round pick (No. 223 overall) in the 2021 NFL Draft to the Cardinals in return. The trade is pending a physical exam of Cole.
Cole has played in 46 career games with 32 starts in three seasons since joining the Cardinals as a third-round pick in 2018.
The addition of Cole, who turns 25 on Sunday, provides solid depth along the interior of a Vikings offensive line that has undergone a bit of a makeover this offseason.

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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/25/2021 2:15:54 PM

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Sounds like another poor IOL player.

Az isn't dumping him because he's good

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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/25/2021 2:17:17 PM

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Backup with starting experience? He was a third round pick, so he might have talent. Scheme fit?

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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/25/2021 2:18:41 PM

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Minnesota announced Thursday that it has added Mason Cole to the roster in a deal with Arizona. The Vikings sent a sixth-round pick (No. 223 overall) in the 2021 NFL Draft to the Cardinals in return. The trade is pending a physical exam of Cole.
Cole has played in 46 career games with 32 starts in three seasons since joining the Cardinals as a third-round pick in 2018.
The addition of Cole, who turns 25 on Sunday, provides solid depth along the interior of a Vikings offensive line that has undergone a bit of a makeover this offseason.

Not sure how a guy ranked as one of the worst Centers in the league can be called "solid depth". More like "warm body"...

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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/25/2021 2:29:48 PM

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Backup with starting experience? He was a third round pick, so he might have talent. Scheme fit?

True, but only if he ends up being a back-up.

Let's be honest, prying a 6th rd pick from Spielman's sweaty grasp probably means Cole is expected to carry the noble mantle of Dozier henceforth.

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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/25/2021 2:30:48 PM

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Minnesota announced Thursday that it has added Mason Cole to the roster in a deal with Arizona. The Vikings sent a sixth-round pick (No. 223 overall) in the 2021 NFL Draft to the Cardinals in return. The trade is pending a physical exam of Cole.
Cole has played in 46 career games with 32 starts in three seasons since joining the Cardinals as a third-round pick in 2018.
The addition of Cole, who turns 25 on Sunday, provides solid depth along the interior of a Vikings offensive line that has undergone a bit of a makeover this offseason.

Not sure how a guy ranked as one of the worst Centers in the league can be called "solid depth". More like "warm body"...

Kind of a Sean Mannion signing. Don't want him to threaten the golden boy Bradbury.

May Cole and Dozier will have a camp battle for LG...woopee

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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/25/2021 2:46:23 PM

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I don't know a lot about Cole ... its just the visceral reaction of hearing "No. 31 out of 36 NFL centers while Garrett Bradbury was No. 25".

I'm not even a PFF fan but it just smells like more Dozier / Jones sauce ...

Can Spielman really believe that bolstering depth is the only OL path before the draft?

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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/25/2021 2:58:46 PM

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Spielman's next splash oline move will be raiding other teams practice squads.

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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/25/2021 3:09:45 PM

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

WE GOT HIM!!!

Chris Tomasson@christomasson
#Vikings acquiring Mason Cole, who was Arizona's starting center last season, for a sixth-round pick.

Chris Tomasson@christomasson
New #Vikings offensive lineman Mason Cole also can play guard. Last year, Pro Football Focus ranked him No. 31 out of 36 NFL centers while Garrett Bradbury was No. 25.

"Acquiring? Don't talk about Acquiring! You kidding me? Acquiring?"

For a 6th rd pick?

Infinity stones where are you?

And with no 7th round picks and only one in the 6th, you know what's coming.

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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/25/2021 3:16:30 PM

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I don't believe we had a backup center. The pick was our compensatory pick, so it was a borderline 7th rounder. He is a good fit for our scheme. Still on rookie contract, so cheap. Could backup both guard positions, too.

Saying all that, I don't want him to start.

Here's his draft profile:

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/mason-cole/3200434f-4c15-1246-1bd3-59946ef2215c

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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/25/2021 3:17:47 PM

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I don't believe we had a backup center. The pick was our compensatory pick, so it was a borderline 7th rounder. He is a good fit for our scheme. Still on rookie contract, so cheap. Could backup both guard positions, too.

Saying all that, I don't want him to start.

Here's his draft profile:

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/mason-cole/3200434f-4c15-1246-1bd3-59946ef2215c

...and nobody wanted Dozier to start. Get used to it.

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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/25/2021 3:18:56 PM

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The Vikings are holding onto their better 6th round pick for a kicker.

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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/25/2021 3:34:37 PM

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Mason Cole has two career starts at LG, both in 2019.

- Week 9 against SF: 56 snaps, 68.1 overall grade, 64.3 pass blocking grade, 1 pressure/sack allowed on 33 PB snaps
- Week 10 against TB: 67 snaps, 55.7 overall grade, 80.7 pass blocking grade (!), 1 pressure on 49 PB snaps

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