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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/4/2022 8:28:50 PM

Daniel Lee Young

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Boy I'm sure glad they don't have some videos of me from my finer moments - what would the world think?

Yea one nice thing being alive and stupid in the 70’s and 80’s..

No video evidence of the half brained drunken stuff I did in my teens and 20’s

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/4/2022 8:31:15 PM

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Boy I'm sure glad they don't have some videos of me from my finer moments - what would the world think?

Yea one nice thing being alive and stupid in the 70’s and 80’s..

No video evidence of the half brained drunken stuff I did in my teens and 20’s

Yep!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2022 6:41:53 AM

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If feel Cousins was much safer with Harbaugh.

I want to trade Cousins and move up for Pickett.

Malik Willis

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2022 9:12:49 AM

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If feel Cousins was much safer with Harbaugh.

I want to trade Cousins and move up for Pickett.

Malik Willis

Another one from north Atlanta. Pretty strong area for prep football, and lots of good quarterbacks in recent years (Trevor Lawrence, Davis Mills) including a couple with Vikings connections (Taylor Heineke, Kyle Sloter).

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2022 9:45:46 AM

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Even though this isn't a strong QB class they're saying it'll be exciting times around here if we move Cousins.

Picking 12th and there's 3 that have been promoted here....we'd be in great position to grab one.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2022 9:57:23 AM

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Seriously, who doesn't want at least one season with Cousins, O'Connell and the offense we have before we venture into the land of the unknown?

Come on! If nothing else I want to see Cousins at least one year with this team and without Zimmer's influence

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2022 11:04:30 AM

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Part of me wants to see a Cousins year without Zim, it would probably mean a great regular season followed by a disappointing post season.

A greater part of me feels it is another wasted year for JJ and the future QB,
JJ needs to get used to the young QB that will get him a ring.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2022 11:16:49 AM

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Seriously, who doesn't want at least one season with Cousins, O'Connell and the offense we have before we venture into the land of the unknown?

Come on! If nothing else I want to see Cousins at least one year with this team and without Zimmer's influence

Its definitely a ‘be careful what you ask for’ moment. Cousins would ensure the offense operates similar to last year, maybe better … so looking forward to a draft choice starter -or- journeyman QB + deat choice or Mond (plus any draft capital for moving Cousins) is looking down the barrel of a throttled back offense.

To Marty’s point above, if you really believe that Cousins is NOT a big game QB … not sure how you can’t view him that way … you have to eat the buckshot and move on as quickly as possible. As painful as it might be in 2022.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2022 11:42:21 AM

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

If feel Cousins was much safer with Harbaugh.

I want to trade Cousins and move up for Pickett.

Malik Willis

After strong Senior Bowl week, we might have to move up to get him.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2022 11:43:37 AM

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Boy I'm sure glad they don't have some videos of me from my finer moments - what would the world think?

Yea one nice thing being alive and stupid in the 70’s and 80’s..

No video evidence of the half brained drunken stuff I did in my teens and 20’s

Yep!

Double yep. Thank goodness modern cell phones weren't around then.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2022 12:55:35 PM

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Seriously, who doesn't want at least one season with Cousins, O'Connell and the offense we have before we venture into the land of the unknown?

Come on! If nothing else I want to see Cousins at least one year with this team and without Zimmer's influence

Its definitely a ‘be careful what you ask for’ moment. Cousins would ensure the offense operates
ter … so looking forward to a draft choice starter -or- journeyman QB + deat choice or Mond (plus any draft capital for moving Cousins) is looking down the barrel of a throttled back offense.

To Marty’s point above, if you really believe that Cousins is NOT a big game QB … not sure how you can’t view him that way … you have to eat the buckshot and move on as quickly as possible. As painful as it might be in 2022.

Similar? Maybe? Isn't it a given with Zimmer out of the way it takes similar and maybe out of the equation?

As to Marty's flame out in the playoffs pessimistic view? Come on! That's weak - who is going to know about that with almost all variables changed (except the color of the uniform - oh know, maybe that was the wrong analogy

JJ's done with year two. AT will be looking at retirement soon. Tick tock

- but like Harbaugh, I'll roll with whatever - but my moneys is on We're sticking with an above avg QB and giving it a shot (I'll go as high as $100)

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2022 1:19:28 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Seriously, who doesn't want at least one season with Cousins, O'Connell and the offense we have before we venture into the land of the unknown?

Come on! If nothing else I want to see Cousins at least one year with this team and without Zimmer's influence

Its definitely a ‘be careful what you ask for’ moment. Cousins would ensure the offense operates
ter … so looking forward to a draft choice starter -or- journeyman QB + deat choice or Mond (plus any draft capital for moving Cousins) is looking down the barrel of a throttled back offense.

To Marty’s point above, if you really believe that Cousins is NOT a big game QB … not sure how you can’t view him that way … you have to eat the buckshot and move on as quickly as possible. As painful as it might be in 2022.

Similar? Maybe? Isn't it a given with Zimmer out of the way it takes similar and maybe out of the equation?

As to Marty's flame out in the playoffs pessimistic view? Come on! That's weak - who is going to know about that with almost all variables changed (except the color of the uniform - oh know, maybe that was the wrong analogy

JJ's done with year two. AT will be looking at retirement soon. Tick tock

- but like Harbaugh, I'll roll with whatever - but my moneys is on We're sticking with an above avg QB and giving it a shot (I'll go as high as $100)

You said it yourself, 'almost all variables changed'.

Will what we add zero out and improve on Zimmer? Sure, that's my expectation but its no given. At the very least, it might take time for a new HC, coaching staff and players to coalesce. We took the risk on the new guy, so hopefully O'Connell is who we think he is. That's my expectation but its no given either.

That's not pessimism, its not 'sitting crossed legged on the floor handing out daisies' optimism either.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2022 1:21:06 PM

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Surprised at the Pickett love on here. He scares me in that he has a low ceiling IMO. Derek Carr type ceiling.

I'd rather swing for the fences (Corral or Willis... I like Corral better, his footwork in the pocket is elite). They both have concerns, obviously.... but a much higher ceiling (in my estimation) than Pickett.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2022 1:22:11 PM

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Boy I'm sure glad they don't have some videos of me from my finer moments - what would the world think?

Yea one nice thing being alive and stupid in the 70’s and 80’s..

No video evidence of the half brained drunken stuff I did in my teens and 20’s

Yep!

Double yep. Thank goodness modern cell phones weren't around then.

Pretty sure I've got a t-shirt to that effect. That and police departments before computers. Might be some illegible microfiche on me out there somewhere.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2022 1:23:51 PM

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Seriously, who doesn't want at least one season with Cousins, O'Connell and the offense we have before we venture into the land of the unknown?

Come on! If nothing else I want to see Cousins at least one year with this team and without Zimmer's influence

Its definitely a ‘be careful what you ask for’ moment. Cousins would ensure the offense operates
ter … so looking forward to a draft choice starter -or- journeyman QB + deat choice or Mond (plus any draft capital for moving Cousins) is looking down the barrel of a throttled back offense.

To Marty’s point above, if you really believe that Cousins is NOT a big game QB … not sure how you can’t view him that way … you have to eat the buckshot and move on as quickly as possible. As painful as it might be in 2022.

Similar? Maybe? Isn't it a given with Zimmer out of the way it takes similar and maybe out of the equation?

As to Marty's flame out in the playoffs pessimistic view? Come on! That's weak - who is going to know about that with almost all variables changed (except the color of the uniform - oh know, maybe that was the wrong analogy

JJ's done with year two. AT will be looking at retirement soon. Tick tock

- but like Harbaugh, I'll roll with whatever - but my moneys is on We're sticking with an above avg QB and giving it a shot (I'll go as high as $100)

You said it yourself, 'almost all variables changed'.

Will what we add zero out and improve on Zimmer? Sure, that's my expectation but its no given. At the very least, it might take time for a new HC, coaching staff and players to coalesce. We took the risk on the new guy, so hopefully O'Connell is who we think he is. That's my expectation but its no given either.

That's not pessimism, its not 'sitting crossed legged on the floor handing out daisies' optimism either.

So yer not crowning his ass just yet.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2022 1:28:58 PM

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4 years isn't all that long ago. What is frightening for some, is KO sounds a little like KC, and this probably also means we're stuck with KC.

Doesn't even rhyme.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2022 1:31:31 PM

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Seriously, who doesn't want at least one season with Cousins, O'Connell and the offense we have before we venture into the land of the unknown?

Come on! If nothing else I want to see Cousins at least one year with this team and without Zimmer's influence

Its definitely a ‘be careful what you ask for’ moment. Cousins would ensure the offense operates
ter … so looking forward to a draft choice starter -or- journeyman QB + deat choice or Mond (plus any draft capital for moving Cousins) is looking down the barrel of a throttled back offense.

To Marty’s point above, if you really believe that Cousins is NOT a big game QB … not sure how you can’t view him that way … you have to eat the buckshot and move on as quickly as possible. As painful as it might be in 2022.

Similar? Maybe? Isn't it a given with Zimmer out of the way it takes similar and maybe out of the equation?

As to Marty's flame out in the playoffs pessimistic view? Come on! That's weak - who is going to know about that with almost all variables changed (except the color of the uniform - oh know, maybe that was the wrong analogy

JJ's done with year two. AT will be looking at retirement soon. Tick tock

- but like Harbaugh, I'll roll with whatever - but my moneys is on We're sticking with an above avg QB and giving it a shot (I'll go as high as $100)

You said it yourself, 'almost all variables changed'.

Will what we add zero out and improve on Zimmer? Sure, that's my expectation but its no given. At the very least, it might take time for a new HC, coaching staff and players to coalesce. We took the risk on the new guy, so hopefully O'Connell is who we think he is. That's my expectation but its no given either.

That's not pessimism, its not 'sitting crossed legged on the floor handing out daisies' optimism either.

So yer not crowning his ass just yet.

I'm a Vikings fan. O'Connell might decide to join the French Foreign Legion after the SB game.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2022 2:18:46 PM

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And just to be clear, I'm not accusing anybody of 'sitting crossed legged on the floor handing out daisies' optimism ... that's my view of an extreme ... with negative trolling on the other end of the spectrum.

I am on the positive side of that spectrum, I have a very good feeling about where we stand compared to the day before Spielman and Zimmer got canned. With a lot of work to do.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2022 3:19:57 PM

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And just to be clear, I'm not accusing anybody of 'sitting crossed legged on the floor handing out daisies' optimism ... that's my view of an extreme ... with negative trolling on the other end of the spectrum.

I am on the positive side of that spectrum, I have a very good feeling about where we stand compared to the day before Spielman and Zimmer got canned. With a lot of work to do.

Well, if I sit crossed legged for too long, I'll never stand up again. Just build a team that innovates and strikes fear in the hearts of our enemy. Peace

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2022 3:50:16 PM

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

And just to be clear, I'm not accusing anybody of 'sitting crossed legged on the floor handing out daisies' optimism ... that's my view of an extreme ... with negative trolling on the other end of the spectrum.

I am on the positive side of that spectrum, I have a very good feeling about where we stand compared to the day before Spielman and Zimmer got canned. With a lot of work to do.

The second paragraph sums up how I feel pretty well.
I was a big Zimmer fan but feel his last year or so he gave the tough-guy wrestling coach approach a bad name

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2022 6:35:18 PM

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Matthew Stafford raises KC's trade value:

https://vikingsterritory.com/2022/general-news/the-price-tag-for-a-kirk-cousins-trade-just-went-way-up

This is the perfect time to trade KC, thankfully he put up nice stats to where a few teams might think he can be a final piece.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2022 7:39:53 PM

Mark Rapley

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Even more interesting is the link to Wade Phillips Twitter:

Wade Phillips
@sonofbum
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Feb 3
Vikings NFL. Offense-12th. Defense-30th

https://vikingsterritory.com/2022/general-news/oconnells-upcoming-choice-at-defensive-coordinator-is-humongous

I'd take either Fangio or Phillips as DC in a second.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2022 8:23:34 PM

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ORIGINAL: ambear

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

And just to be clear, I'm not accusing anybody of 'sitting crossed legged on the floor handing out daisies' optimism ... that's my view of an extreme ... with negative trolling on the other end of the spectrum.

I am on the positive side of that spectrum, I have a very good feeling about where we stand compared to the day before Spielman and Zimmer got canned. With a lot of work to do.

Well, if I sit crossed legged for too long, I'll never stand up again. Just build a team that innovates and strikes fear in the hearts of our enemy. Peace

Ill get a charlie horse before "too long" arrives
peace 2

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2022 9:25:59 PM

Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: ambear

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

And just to be clear, I'm not accusing anybody of 'sitting crossed legged on the floor handing out daisies' optimism ... that's my view of an extreme ... with negative trolling on the other end of the spectrum.

I am on the positive side of that spectrum, I have a very good feeling about where we stand compared to the day before Spielman and Zimmer got canned. With a lot of work to do.

Well, if I sit crossed legged for too long, I'll never stand up again. Just build a team that innovates and strikes fear in the hearts of our enemy. Peace

for sure

< Message edited by Tom Sykes -- 2/6/2022 8:45:11 AM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/6/2022 5:35:40 AM

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Another good nugget for O'Connell:

NFL Teams in 2021 ran the 11 personnel package (1 RB, 1 TE, 3 WR) on average at 61%.
The 2 highest teams?

1. LA Rams - 85%
2. Bengals - 77%

28. Vikings - 47%

https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/nfl-stats/personnel-groupings/offense/offensive-personnel-grouping-frequency-2021/

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