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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 12:02:23 PM

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Apparently the Vikes will be under the cap for the New year but just changing Danielle Hunter's Roster Bonus to a signing bonus:

Luke Braun@LukeBraunNFL·Jan 24Replying to @LukeBraunNFLfull details if you're interested. The two void years spread out 9M of the 18M, plus some signing bonus from a different restructure which makes the big dead cap hit.
So basically, stroke of a pen for two cheap Hunter years, have a problem in 2024 to deal with. It's a no brainer

1119Luke Braun@LukeBraunNFL·
Jan 24Doing this puts the Vikings under the cap for the new league year without having to decide what to do with kirk cousins, so they can sit on his big old cap hit for a while while they negotiate a trade or extension, whichever you prefer

2119Luke Braun@LukeBraunNFL·Jan 24Oh! also, if that 2024 dead cap hit scares you, the Vikings don't have to convert the whole $18M. They could convert, say, just $12M of it and keep an extra $6M on the 2022 books. Which reduces the 2024/2023 numbers.

https://zonecoverage.com/2022/minnesota-vikings-news/stop-panicking-over-danielle-hunters-contract/

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 1:28:28 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Apparently the Vikes will be under the cap for the New year but just changing Danielle Hunter's Roster Bonus to a signing bonus:

Luke Braun@LukeBraunNFL·Jan 24Replying to @LukeBraunNFLfull details if you're interested. The two void years spread out 9M of the 18M, plus some signing bonus from a different restructure which makes the big dead cap hit.
So basically, stroke of a pen for two cheap Hunter years, have a problem in 2024 to deal with. It's a no brainer

1119Luke Braun@LukeBraunNFL·
Jan 24Doing this puts the Vikings under the cap for the new league year without having to decide what to do with kirk cousins, so they can sit on his big old cap hit for a while while they negotiate a trade or extension, whichever you prefer

2119Luke Braun@LukeBraunNFL·Jan 24Oh! also, if that 2024 dead cap hit scares you, the Vikings don't have to convert the whole $18M. They could convert, say, just $12M of it and keep an extra $6M on the 2022 books. Which reduces the 2024/2023 numbers.

https://zonecoverage.com/2022/minnesota-vikings-news/stop-panicking-over-danielle-hunters-contract/

it's weird, but i stumbled into and watched that video yesterday - i was surprised this contract detail never came up anywhere before....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 1:28:40 PM

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Courtney Cronin@CourtneyRCronin·3hNo offensive coordinator announcement yet, though it looks like Rams running backs coach/assistant HC Thomas Brown could end up with that job since he’s interviewing for it.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 1:36:14 PM

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From PFF's 200 top free agents (as of now)

86. LB ANTHONY BARR, MINNESOTA VIKINGS
Barr agreed to a pay cut before the 2021 season that also voided the 2022 and 2023 seasons on his five-year extension signed in 2019. Better luck with his health led to a respectable 63.8 overall grade and 72.6 pass-rush grade in 2021. Barr is a bit of a unique player, generally deployed as a Sam linebacker in a 4-3 scheme who occasionally gets his hand in the dirt.

Nevertheless, there were several interested teams last time he was a free agent — he came very close to signing with the New York Jets before ultimately returning to Minnesota — so it seems defensive coaches think they can find a way to put him in positions to succeed and utilize his athletic ability.

Strengths:
– Size and athleticism
– One of the best pass-rushing linebackers in the NFL
– Few negative plays against the run

Weaknesses:
– Hasn't been a playmaker in coverage throughout his career, his three picks in 2021 aside
– Inconsistent play

Scheme Fit/Role:
STARTING STRONGSIDE (SAM) LINEBACKER: Barr has made the successful transition from collegiate edge rusher to off-ball linebacker in the NFL, but he's still best utilized in a role that lets him get after the quarterback as a blitzer. He has consistently met expectations against the run over his eight-year career, producing both negative and positive grades at one of the lowest rates at the linebacker position.

Recent Injury History:
Barr missed the majority of the 2020 NFL season with a torn pectoral muscle, and a knee injury kept him out of the first four weeks of the 2021 season. Barr managed to play in all but two of Minnesota's games since Week 5 while managing knee and hamstring injuries.

Contract Projection: Two years, $14.5 million ($7.25M per year), $8.5 million total guaranteed

Bottom Line:
Barr had an uphill climb to provide value on the five-year, $67.5 million contract he signed prior to the 2019 season. Still, he's still a viable veteran starter entering 2022 free agency who has been a key part of several very good Vikings defenses since entering the league in 2014.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 1:38:33 PM

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93. CB PATRICK PETERSON, MINNESOTA VIKINGS
One of the best cornerbacks of the decade, Peterson hoped to revive his career with a fresh start in Minnesota, but his tenure with the Vikings was underwhelming to say the least. Now entering his age-32 season, Peterson perhaps may explore a move to safety — as he has alluded to in the past — because his abilities as a man-cover corner are dwindling.

Strengths:
– Physicality
– Reading tendencies/route concepts
– Run defense

Weaknesses:
– Quickness
– Can't play slot anymore
– Lost a step

Scheme Fit/Role:
NO. 2 CORNERBACK: Peterson was one of the best corners of his generation at his peak, but at 32, he is now seemingly well beyond that level of play. He still has enough experience and savvy to hold up overall, but he isn't as quick or rangy as he once was, which hurts his production in both zone and man coverage.

Recent Injury History:
Peterson had a minor foot injury early in the season before a hamstring injury caused him to miss some time, as well as a stint on the COVID-19 list.

Contract Projection: One year, $6 million fully guaranteed

Bottom Line:
Peterson may have a year or two left as a second corner for a team without better options. He has enough experience and savvy to get by and be solid, but elite receivers will put him in a bind.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 1:38:46 PM

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ORIGINAL: Pauldiercks1

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: marty

Maybe the Vikes should go a similar route to SF, Garapollo/Lance, and go with Cousins/Pickett for one season ?

i think that the new regime is going to like what we've got in mond....

What makes you think that? Your Viking fandom or do you have any real knowledge on the guy?

As far as I know he could be alright or he could be Christian Ponder bad. I have no idea.

it's not my fandom, trust me, mond has most of the characteristics needed to make it - great pocket presence, quick delivery, field vision, anticipation, can hit moving targets....

he just needs a little development and refinement...he already has the ability to play at NFL speed....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 1:40:40 PM

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106. S XAVIER WOODS, MINNESOTA VIKINGS
Woods signed a one-year flier with the Minnesota Vikings in free agency in the 2021 offseason in a tough market for safeties and had an interesting season playing opposite star safety Harrison Smith. Woods played over 1,200 snaps, second-most among defensive players, and set career highs as a run defender and tackler with 87.5 and 88.0 marks, respectively. However, his 58.3 coverage grade was a career low, and Woods’ first season with a sub-60.0 coverage grade.

Still, Woods has the makings of a later-wave but good-value free agent who has shown the ability to excel against the pass and run at different times. He could have a big-impact year if he could put it all together.

Strengths:
– Versatility
– Coverage when lined up in the box

Weaknesses:
– Can take bad/overly aggressive angles from deep alignments
– Not capitalizing on interception opportunities

Scheme Fit/Role:
STARTING FREE SAFETY: Woods has primarily operated from deep alignments, but he does have some experience in the slot and in the box (where he has graded out best in coverage) across his time with Minnesota and Dallas. He could slide into most NFL defenses, whether they operate from primarily single-high or two-high looks.

Recent Injury History:
Woods has played over 4,000 defensive snaps across the past four seasons, including the playoffs. Injuries haven't been a major concern throughout his career.

Contract Projection: Two-year, $10.5 million ($5.25M per year), $6.25 million total guaranteed

Bottom Line:
Woods would have more buzz as a free agent prospect if he were able to haul in a few of the seven interceptions he has dropped since 2017 (tied for most at the position). He's a reliable, if not great, starting option who has averaged over 1,000 snaps per season on defense the past four years.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 1:49:33 PM

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ORIGINAL: David F.

93. CB PATRICK PETERSON, MINNESOTA VIKINGS
One of the best cornerbacks of the decade, Peterson hoped to revive his career with a fresh start in Minnesota, but his tenure with the Vikings was underwhelming to say the least. Now entering his age-32 season, Peterson perhaps may explore a move to safety — as he has alluded to in the past — because his abilities as a man-cover corner are dwindling.

Strengths:
– Physicality
– Reading tendencies/route concepts
– Run defense

Weaknesses:
– Quickness
– Can't play slot anymore
– Lost a step

Scheme Fit/Role:
NO. 2 CORNERBACK: Peterson was one of the best corners of his generation at his peak, but at 32, he is now seemingly well beyond that level of play. He still has enough experience and savvy to hold up overall, but he isn't as quick or rangy as he once was, which hurts his production in both zone and man coverage.

Recent Injury History:
Peterson had a minor foot injury early in the season before a hamstring injury caused him to miss some time, as well as a stint on the COVID-19 list.

Contract Projection: One year, $6 million fully guaranteed

Bottom Line:
Peterson may have a year or two left as a second corner for a team without better options. He has enough experience and savvy to get by and be solid, but elite receivers will put him in a bind.

i don't see us paying even $6m/yr for a safety that's never played safety at a professional level...offer peterson $5m to play corner, and pay $2.5m to another free agent cb...and then draft two cb's in 2022 - one in the 1st round, and one in the 3r round - with one of the picks we're going to get for trading cousins....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 1:50:33 PM

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Chris Tomasson
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#Vikings guard Wyatt Davis didn't play a single snap as a rookie. Davis is working hard to get in great shape & will spend a month working in Dallas area with offensive line guru Duke Manyweather "I'm making sure that doesn’t happen again," he said Story:

Chris Tomasson
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Appearing last weekend on the podcast “All Things Covered,” #Vikings starting left tackle Christian Darrisaw talked about Kevin O’Connell replacing Mike Zimmer, saying “sometimes you need change.” When asked if he agreed with that, Vikings guard Wyatt Davis said, “Absolutely.”

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 1:51:07 PM

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Chris Tomasson
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#Vikings G Wyatt Davis on offseason workouts "I’m just doing everything I can to put me in a position to help my team win...Once that opportunity comes, I’m going to take it & never look back. So I’m just trying to do everything in my power right now to put me in a spot to do so”
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#Vikings guard Wyatt Davis on bouncing back from tough rookie season in which he played no snaps from scrimmage: “Obviously, I wanted to help contribute and I didn’t have the opportunity to do so, which is why I’m making sure that doesn’t happen again, absolutely."

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 2:15:53 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Pauldiercks1

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: marty

Maybe the Vikes should go a similar route to SF, Garapollo/Lance, and go with Cousins/Pickett for one season ?

i think that the new regime is going to like what we've got in mond....

What makes you think that? Your Viking fandom or do you have any real knowledge on the guy?

As far as I know he could be alright or he could be Christian Ponder bad. I have no idea.

it's not my fandom, trust me, mond has most of the characteristics needed to make it - great pocket presence, quick delivery, field vision, anticipation, can hit moving targets....

he just needs a little development and refinement...he already has the ability to play at NFL speed....

Not that this is necessarily determinative or even accurate, but there seems to be a rough consensus among those that cover the team that he looked not just bad, but horrible in the glimpses they got of him during training camp and practice. Maybe there's more to it, but maybe not.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 2:27:21 PM

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Of the 9 coaches signed on the new staff, only 2 are on defense.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 2:41:49 PM

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Of the 9 coaches signed on the new staff, only 2 are on defense.

I count 3...Donatell, Pettine, and the DLine Coach.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 2:45:27 PM

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Of the 9 coaches signed on the new staff, only 2 are on defense.

I count 3...Donatell, Pettine, and the DLine Coach.

I thought Pettine was signed as Assistant Head Coach, although his background is mainly defense.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 2:46:34 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Zoilo

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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Of the 9 coaches signed on the new staff, only 2 are on defense.

I count 3...Donatell, Pettine, and the DLine Coach.

I thought Pettine was signed as Assistant Head Coach, although his background is mainly defense.

Odds are that will be his focus (I am guessing him and Donatell). The DB coach they had in their sights went to Jax.

< Message edited by Phil Riewer -- 2/17/2022 2:47:53 PM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 2:53:54 PM

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Any word on any coaches that will be retained? I read somewhere that the current WR coach might be retained.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 2:55:56 PM

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Anyone been to Bud's garage sales? I hear about them and think I should have seen what he had.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 3:01:14 PM

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Anyone been to Bud's garage sales? I hear about them and think I should have seen what he had.

Where's Bud live?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 3:06:49 PM

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Anyone been to Bud's garage sales? I hear about them and think I should have seen what he had.

Where's Bud live?

West Bloomington, by Bush Lake, is where he lived for a very long time. I don't know if he still lives there.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 3:23:25 PM

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Pauldiercks1

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: marty

Maybe the Vikes should go a similar route to SF, Garapollo/Lance, and go with Cousins/Pickett for one season ?

i think that the new regime is going to like what we've got in mond....

What makes you think that? Your Viking fandom or do you have any real knowledge on the guy?

As far as I know he could be alright or he could be Christian Ponder bad. I have no idea.

it's not my fandom, trust me, mond has most of the characteristics needed to make it - great pocket presence, quick delivery, field vision, anticipation, can hit moving targets....

he just needs a little development and refinement...he already has the ability to play at NFL speed....

I'd love if you were right, but this organization hasn't hit on a drafted QB since Culpepper. So consider me very skeptical that Spielman and Co hit on one on their way out.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 3:25:22 PM

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Pauldiercks1

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

quote:

ORIGINAL: marty

Maybe the Vikes should go a similar route to SF, Garapollo/Lance, and go with Cousins/Pickett for one season ?

i think that the new regime is going to like what we've got in mond....

What makes you think that? Your Viking fandom or do you have any real knowledge on the guy?

As far as I know he could be alright or he could be Christian Ponder bad. I have no idea.

it's not my fandom, trust me, mond has most of the characteristics needed to make it - great pocket presence, quick delivery, field vision, anticipation, can hit moving targets....

he just needs a little development and refinement...he already has the ability to play at NFL speed....

Not that this is necessarily determinative or even accurate, but there seems to be a rough consensus among those that cover the team that he looked not just bad, but horrible in the glimpses they got of him during training camp and practice. Maybe there's more to it, but maybe not.

When Zimmer chooses Slotter over Mond, you know things weren't going well.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 3:30:51 PM

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I am guessing Ratoppenheimer has never seen Mond practice.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 3:32:07 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Pauldiercks1

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: marty

Maybe the Vikes should go a similar route to SF, Garapollo/Lance, and go with Cousins/Pickett for one season ?

i think that the new regime is going to like what we've got in mond....

What makes you think that? Your Viking fandom or do you have any real knowledge on the guy?

As far as I know he could be alright or he could be Christian Ponder bad. I have no idea.

it's not my fandom, trust me, mond has most of the characteristics needed to make it - great pocket presence, quick delivery, field vision, anticipation, can hit moving targets....

he just needs a little development and refinement...he already has the ability to play at NFL speed....

No. He doesn't.

'Characteristics needed to make it' ... 'nfl speed'?

College, yes.
NFL, no. (Post-Covid preseason, no; back-up to Mannion against Packers in 4th qtr, no)

It's pure unadulterated fandom if you think so.

We all hope so but there's no evidence yet.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 3:38:37 PM

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Suggestion for O'Connell from

Evan Schlough@EvanSchlough·2h

His first words at the press conference better be “We need to run the ball more.”

lol

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 3:49:56 PM

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regarding mond, my final statement is; let's just see how mond's career plays out...revisit in five years....

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