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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 3:59:57 PM   
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Maybe the Vikes should go a similar route to SF, Garapollo/Lance, and go with Cousins/Pickett for one season ?



i think that the new regime is going to like what we've got in mond....


What makes you think that? Your Viking fandom or do you have any real knowledge on the guy?

As far as I know he could be alright or he could be Christian Ponder bad. I have no idea.


it's not my fandom, trust me, mond has most of the characteristics needed to make it - great pocket presence, quick delivery, field vision, anticipation, can hit moving targets....

he just needs a little development and refinement...he already has the ability to play at NFL speed....

Not that this is necessarily determinative or even accurate, but there seems to be a rough consensus among those that cover the team that he looked not just bad, but horrible in the glimpses they got of him during training camp and practice. Maybe there's more to it, but maybe not.


When Zimmer chooses Slotter over Mond, you know things weren't going well.

Interestingly enough he didn't. Sloter was signed for one game. Mond suited up for that game and was put in late for one drive. Sloter never saw the field. I don't see how Zimmer chose Sloter over Mond here.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 4:09:49 PM   
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Anyone been to Bud's garage sales? I hear about them and think I should have seen what he had.

Where's Bud live?

West Bloomington, by Bush Lake, is where he lived for a very long time. I don't know if he still lives there.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 4:20:10 PM   
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Maybe the Vikes should go a similar route to SF, Garapollo/Lance, and go with Cousins/Pickett for one season ?



i think that the new regime is going to like what we've got in mond....


What makes you think that? Your Viking fandom or do you have any real knowledge on the guy?

As far as I know he could be alright or he could be Christian Ponder bad. I have no idea.


it's not my fandom, trust me, mond has most of the characteristics needed to make it - great pocket presence, quick delivery, field vision, anticipation, can hit moving targets....

he just needs a little development and refinement...he already has the ability to play at NFL speed....

Not that this is necessarily determinative or even accurate, but there seems to be a rough consensus among those that cover the team that he looked not just bad, but horrible in the glimpses they got of him during training camp and practice. Maybe there's more to it, but maybe not.


When Zimmer chooses Slotter over Mond, you know things weren't going well.

Interestingly enough he didn't. Sloter was signed for one game. Mond suited up for that game and was put in late for one drive. Sloter never saw the field. I don't see how Zimmer chose Sloter over Mond here.

Its a technicality.

Mond got bumped for Mannion, which isn't any better than street free agent Sloter or your local florist.

What a shame ... Zimmer new exactly what his own status was.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 4:35:25 PM   
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Anyone been to Bud's garage sales? I hear about them and think I should have seen what he had.

Where's Bud live?

https://www.vikings.com/photos/fans-show-off-items-from-bud-grant-s-annual-garage-sale-20665876#2f4e5a61-0ebd-4e9a-a547-6a339768659d
https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-sports/ex-vikings-head-coach-bud-grant-said-he-was-done-with-garage-sales-but-apparently-not

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 4:37:57 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 4:45:39 PM   
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pan over to Kwesi...

He's shaking his head no...
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 5:06:34 PM   
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Courtney Cronin@CourtneyRCronin
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Kevin O’Connell brings up safety Harrison Smith as “the perfect player for the defensive structure we want to play.”

He's gone.


Chris Tomasson@christomasson
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#Vikings coach Kevin O'Connell brought up that he likes linebacker Anthony Barr, who is an impending free agent.

He is so gone.


Courtney Cronin@CourtneyRCronin
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Kevin O’Connell on Kirk Cousins: “I know he’s under contract and I’m excited to coach him.”

He's gone ... but because of the franchise debilitating contract that gives Cousins all the bargaining power ... we have to let him hang around a year.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 5:20:29 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 5:50:08 PM   
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Paul Allen is lobbying for Barr to be back but how much can you pay a guy that is always hurt?



remember, we're most likely switching over to a 3-4 defense....


richardson -- pierce -- tomlinson

barr -- kendricks -- vigil -- hunter


goodbye, cousins...hello, $35m cap space

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 6:11:29 PM   
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Courtney Cronin@CourtneyRCronin
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Kevin O’Connell brings up safety Harrison Smith as “the perfect player for the defensive structure we want to play.”

He's gone.


Chris Tomasson@christomasson
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#Vikings coach Kevin O'Connell brought up that he likes linebacker Anthony Barr, who is an impending free agent.

He is so gone.


Courtney Cronin@CourtneyRCronin
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Kevin O’Connell on Kirk Cousins: “I know he’s under contract and I’m excited to coach him.”

He's gone ... but because of the franchise debilitating contract that gives Cousins all the bargaining power ... we have to let him hang around a year.


I see where Dan's coming from now, a couple of twits twitting - Smith & Cousins aren't going anywhere

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 6:22:56 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 6:30:41 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 6:31:25 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 6:32:11 PM   
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Not happening


You could read it off of them.

He gone.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 6:36:06 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 6:38:55 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 6:39:54 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 6:50:35 PM   
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o'connell indicated a 3-4 defense, but mostly we'll be in nickel which is a four-man front....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 6:59:17 PM   
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Not happening


You could read it off of them.

He gone.



coaches have a much more difficult time lying about their players...they know that the players have to be able to trust them, and what they say....with the gm it's understood that he's the salesman, the dealmaker - he's not nearly as close to the players as the coaches are....

o'connell looked like a coach who knew they were moving on from cousins, so he held back on his commitment...he didn't say anything that would make him look bad to the players when cousins is traded....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 8:05:21 PM   
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Press Conference Interpretations

Courtney Cronin@CourtneyRCronin
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Kevin O’Connell brings up safety Harrison Smith as “the perfect player for the defensive structure we want to play.”

He's gone.


Chris Tomasson@christomasson
34m
#Vikings coach Kevin O'Connell brought up that he likes linebacker Anthony Barr, who is an impending free agent.

He is so gone.


Courtney Cronin@CourtneyRCronin
39m
Kevin O’Connell on Kirk Cousins: “I know he’s under contract and I’m excited to coach him.”

He's gone ... but because of the franchise debilitating contract that gives Cousins all the bargaining power ... we have to let him hang around a year.


I see where Dan's coming from now, a couple of twits twitting - Smith & Cousins aren't going anywhere

Well ... Cronin is ESPN and Tomasson is Pioneer Press .... and those were basically O'Connell quotes anyway ...

that doesn't make them Cronkites but their not Rogans either.

You and I have very different perceptions of Cousins' value but I think you're probably right, I will be very surprised if he's not on the team this season.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 8:06:36 PM   
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I hope we keep Sheldon Richardson

For sure Richardson.

And Conklin. Smith and Conklin would be more than solid.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 8:16:19 PM   
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Anyone been to Bud's garage sales? I hear about them and think I should have seen what he had.

Where's Bud live?



https://www.vikings.com/photos/fans-show-off-items-from-bud-grant-s-annual-garage-sale-20665876#2f4e5a61-0ebd-4e9a-a547-6a339768659d
https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-sports/ex-vikings-head-coach-bud-grant-said-he-was-done-with-garage-sales-but-apparently-not

Thank you!
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 8:18:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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Press Conference Interpretations

Courtney Cronin@CourtneyRCronin
26m
Kevin O’Connell brings up safety Harrison Smith as “the perfect player for the defensive structure we want to play.”

He's gone.


Chris Tomasson@christomasson
34m
#Vikings coach Kevin O'Connell brought up that he likes linebacker Anthony Barr, who is an impending free agent.

He is so gone.


Courtney Cronin@CourtneyRCronin
39m
Kevin O’Connell on Kirk Cousins: “I know he’s under contract and I’m excited to coach him.”

He's gone ... but because of the franchise debilitating contract that gives Cousins all the bargaining power ... we have to let him hang around a year.


I see where Dan's coming from now, a couple of twits twitting - Smith & Cousins aren't going anywhere

Well ... Cronin is ESPN and Tomasson is Pioneer Press .... and those were basically O'Connell quotes anyway ...

that doesn't make them Cronkites but their not Rogans either.

You and I have very different perceptions of Cousins' value but I think you're probably right, I will be very surprised if he's not on the team this season.

I admit, it wasn't a post in good taste.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 8:25:22 PM   
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Not happening


You could read it off of them.

He gone.



coaches have a much more difficult time lying about their players...they know that the players have to be able to trust them, and what they say....with the gm it's understood that he's the salesman, the dealmaker - he's not nearly as close to the players as the coaches are....

o'connell looked like a coach who knew they were moving on from cousins, so he held back on his commitment...he didn't say anything that would make him look bad to the players when cousins is traded....

You guys should qualify it as, "IMO," cause your perception doesn't match a large percentage of others who believe the opposite. I just watched it and I really didn't see a liar up there - and I'd consider myself as at least as perceptive as you guys.

More than anything our bias probably matches our take away.

Now Kwesi, huh ...
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2022 8:29:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: marty

Maybe the Vikes should go a similar route to SF, Garapollo/Lance, and go with Cousins/Pickett for one season ?



i think that the new regime is going to like what we've got in mond....


What makes you think that? Your Viking fandom or do you have any real knowledge on the guy?

As far as I know he could be alright or he could be Christian Ponder bad. I have no idea.


it's not my fandom, trust me, mond has most of the characteristics needed to make it - great pocket presence, quick delivery, field vision, anticipation, can hit moving targets....

he just needs a little development and refinement...he already has the ability to play at NFL speed....


I'd love if you were right, but this organization hasn't hit on a drafted QB since Culpepper. So consider me very skeptical that Spielman and Co hit on one on their way out.


Do you remember Culpeppers first year? You could see his athleticism, but he looked like he had never taken a snap from center.
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