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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/19/2022 8:05:47 AM   
Todd M

 

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A++++ for the Wilfs.

There's been some hiccups but we have a state of the art facility, stadium and a shiny new GM and coach.

They've given. Treated the team like they're fans of the team.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/19/2022 8:07:39 AM   
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We're SO in a SB window it's not funny.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/19/2022 8:39:17 AM   
Todd M

 

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I'll buy in even of they're running with Kirk. I just want them to want more.

Maybe the story is they get more out of him.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/19/2022 9:04:06 AM   
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We're SO in a SB window it's not funny.

The defense is awful. Can they improve it to middle of the pack in short order?
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/19/2022 9:13:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

We're SO in a SB window it's not funny.

The defense is awful. Can they improve it to middle of the pack in short order?


A team with the right chemistry can overcome some of that. We have an anchor at every level (potentially) some young guys and some new blood to draw off of coming.

I think our culture we're about to build is exactly what we've been missing.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/19/2022 9:16:08 AM   
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We've suffered long enough...at my core I believe that's going to change.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/19/2022 9:25:24 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Todd M

quote:

ORIGINAL: jbusse

quote:

ORIGINAL: Todd M

We're SO in a SB window it's not funny.

The defense is awful. Can they improve it to middle of the pack in short order?


A team with the right chemistry can overcome some of that. We have an anchor at every level (potentially) some young guys and done new blood to draw off of coming.

I think our culture we're about to build is exactly what we've been missing.

The potential seems so limited. As an example, in 2015 we had the following:

Everson Griffen, 27
Linval Joseph, 27
Sharrif Floyd, 24
Danielle Hunter, 21
Anthony Barr, 23
Eric Kendricks, 23
Anthony Harris, 24
Xavier Rhodes, 25
Trae Waynes, 23
Harrison Smith, 26
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/19/2022 9:55:03 AM   
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1:23 clip (on Twitter) of Dan Barrio interviewing our coach I assume yesterday - posted 9 hrs ago.

Yes, coach is getting giving himself room to wiggle but seems sincere in wanting to go with him next year, to me.

Good stuff.

https://twitter.com/Str8_Cash_Homey/status/1494914427765747713?s=20&t=VUt_GRNVukS920ZS7QBr7g
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/19/2022 9:56:08 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

quote:

ORIGINAL: jbusse

quote:

ORIGINAL: Todd M

We're SO in a SB window it's not funny.

The defense is awful. Can they improve it to middle of the pack in short order?


A team with the right chemistry can overcome some of that. We have an anchor at every level (potentially) some young guys and done new blood to draw off of coming.

I think our culture we're about to build is exactly what we've been missing.

The potential seems so limited. As an example, in 2015 we had the following:

Everson Griffen, 27
Linval Joseph, 27
Sharrif Floyd, 24
Danielle Hunter, 21
Anthony Barr, 23
Eric Kendricks, 23
Anthony Harris, 24
Xavier Rhodes, 25
Trae Waynes, 23
Harrison Smith, 26

I wouldn't doubt that we find a couple diamonds in the rough who are already on the roster.

Jones II
Robinson
Dye
Bynum
Twyman

New leadership might give these guys a chance.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/19/2022 9:56:31 AM   
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I was all in on Harbaugh but am so glad things worked out as they did - now, the key is a year from now being just as glad
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/19/2022 10:00:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

1:23 clip (on Twitter) of Dan Barrio interviewing our coach I assume yesterday - posted 9 hrs ago.

Yes, coach is getting giving himself room to wiggle but seems sincere in wanting to go with him next year, to me.

Good stuff.

https://twitter.com/Str8_Cash_Homey/status/1494914427765747713?s=20&t=VUt_GRNVukS920ZS7QBr7g

We could go the route of extend him with voidable years, still draft a QB in Round 1. If he flourishes and we make a run, unvoid the years. If same old Kirk, void him and move on to young guys. Some dead cap involved then but Cap should be rising in coming years.

I'm starting to think pass on QB in Round 1. Get Stingley, Gardner or McDuffie and try to shore up Secondary.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/19/2022 10:14:33 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricky J

1:23 clip (on Twitter) of Dan Barrio interviewing our coach I assume yesterday - posted 9 hrs ago.

Yes, coach is getting giving himself room to wiggle but seems sincere in wanting to go with him next year, to me.

Good stuff.

https://twitter.com/Str8_Cash_Homey/status/1494914427765747713?s=20&t=VUt_GRNVukS920ZS7QBr7g

We could go the route of extend him with voidable years, still draft a QB in Round 1. If he flourishes and we make a run, unvoid the years. If same old Kirk, void him and move on to young guys. Some dead cap involved then but Cap should be rising in coming years.

I'm starting to think pass on QB in Round 1. Get Stingley, Gardner or McDuffie and try to shore up Secondary.

Good stuff. I agree. I just think, despite the negative bias he creates, there's a lot of talent there. We're going to give Zimmer a shot but not this exQB a shot? - but he's probably made up his mind too on whether or not he can pull this off ... and ultimately I strongly believe this is O'Connell's choice on whether he stays or not, with Kwesi's blessing, of course

- I also believe, as pointed out previously, they knew what he wanted to do during the interview process and they were all on board
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/19/2022 11:22:42 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricky J

1:23 clip (on Twitter) of Dan Barrio interviewing our coach I assume yesterday - posted 9 hrs ago.

Yes, coach is getting giving himself room to wiggle but seems sincere in wanting to go with him next year, to me.

Good stuff.

https://twitter.com/Str8_Cash_Homey/status/1494914427765747713?s=20&t=VUt_GRNVukS920ZS7QBr7g

We could go the route of extend him with voidable years, still draft a QB in Round 1. If he flourishes and we make a run, unvoid the years. If same old Kirk, void him and move on to young guys. Some dead cap involved then but Cap should be rising in coming years.

I'm starting to think pass on QB in Round 1. Get Stingley, Gardner or McDuffie and try to shore up Secondary.

Good stuff. I agree. I just think, despite the negative bias he creates, there's a lot of talent there. We're going to give Zimmer a shot but not this exQB a shot? - but he's probably made up his mind too on whether or not he can pull this off ... and ultimately I strongly believe this is O'Connell's choice on whether he stays or not, with Kwesi's blessing, of course

- I also believe, as pointed out previously, they knew what he wanted to do during the interview process and they were all on board

There is absolutely no reason for Cousins to renegotiate or extend unless its to his benefit, i.e., spreading out the 45M over another year or two into voidable years isn’t going to happen unless we throw a lot more guaranteed money at him. We are going to pay him 45M this year one way or another … if he stays. And then how much more to extend him into 2023 either as a resigning at market value or above or as a free agent at way above market value.

Where does it end?

I really don’t blame him … I can’t remember who but someone called him the GOAT of pro athlete contracts. All players and agents should try and emulate his situation. There’s a reason they are unable to … its uncomprimising to the health of the teams and the league.

Whether you are biased for him or against him … as a player … the current money due is an extreme. He has more power over his situation than the team, he is going to decide what happens next contractually … and that contract situation is going to be a crippling drag on the overall cap situation to improve the team.

If nothing else, 2022 has to be the low point of that leverage over the franchise. Irregardless of you wanting to blame Zimmer’s aura or every other circumstance for Cousins won loss record … we can no longer be at his mercy after 2022. We are not the Minnesota Cousins.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/19/2022 11:33:43 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricky J

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricky J

1:23 clip (on Twitter) of Dan Barrio interviewing our coach I assume yesterday - posted 9 hrs ago.

Yes, coach is getting giving himself room to wiggle but seems sincere in wanting to go with him next year, to me.

Good stuff.

https://twitter.com/Str8_Cash_Homey/status/1494914427765747713?s=20&t=VUt_GRNVukS920ZS7QBr7g

We could go the route of extend him with voidable years, still draft a QB in Round 1. If he flourishes and we make a run, unvoid the years. If same old Kirk, void him and move on to young guys. Some dead cap involved then but Cap should be rising in coming years.

I'm starting to think pass on QB in Round 1. Get Stingley, Gardner or McDuffie and try to shore up Secondary.

Good stuff. I agree. I just think, despite the negative bias he creates, there's a lot of talent there. We're going to give Zimmer a shot but not this exQB a shot? - but he's probably made up his mind too on whether or not he can pull this off ... and ultimately I strongly believe this is O'Connell's choice on whether he stays or not, with Kwesi's blessing, of course

- I also believe, as pointed out previously, they knew what he wanted to do during the interview process and they were all on board

I don't think it's necessarily O'Connell's decision. I think KAM will crunch the numbers, talk to Cousins' agent, pour over the analytics, talk to O'Connell and then they will make a concensus decision on Cousins.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/19/2022 11:41:10 AM   
Tom Sykes

 

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricky J

1:23 clip (on Twitter) of Dan Barrio interviewing our coach I assume yesterday - posted 9 hrs ago.

Yes, coach is getting giving himself room to wiggle but seems sincere in wanting to go with him next year, to me.

Good stuff.

https://twitter.com/Str8_Cash_Homey/status/1494914427765747713?s=20&t=VUt_GRNVukS920ZS7QBr7g

We could go the route of extend him with voidable years, still draft a QB in Round 1. If he flourishes and we make a run, unvoid the years. If same old Kirk, void him and move on to young guys. Some dead cap involved then but Cap should be rising in coming years.

I'm starting to think pass on QB in Round 1. Get Stingley, Gardner or McDuffie and try to shore up Secondary.

Good stuff. I agree. I just think, despite the negative bias he creates, there's a lot of talent there. We're going to give Zimmer a shot but not this exQB a shot? - but he's probably made up his mind too on whether or not he can pull this off ... and ultimately I strongly believe this is O'Connell's choice on whether he stays or not, with Kwesi's blessing, of course

- I also believe, as pointed out previously, they knew what he wanted to do during the interview process and they were all on board

I don't think it's necessarily O'Connell's decision. I think KAM will crunch the numbers, talk to Cousins' agent, pour over the analytics, talk to O'Connell and then they will make a concensus decision on Cousins.

It absolutely has to be that way. Or should be. Franchise first.

There's no disputing that ... given all the theoretical variables (because we do not know who will be available, etc) ... Cousins gives us our best chance for continuity and QB production in 2022.

Everything is up in the air after that and there's a lot of evaluation that has to go on from this point moving forward.

Don't lock out our team options in 2023 like it has been in 2022. Please.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/19/2022 12:54:11 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: TJSweens

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricky J

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricky J

1:23 clip (on Twitter) of Dan Barrio interviewing our coach I assume yesterday - posted 9 hrs ago.

Yes, coach is getting giving himself room to wiggle but seems sincere in wanting to go with him next year, to me.

Good stuff.

https://twitter.com/Str8_Cash_Homey/status/1494914427765747713?s=20&t=VUt_GRNVukS920ZS7QBr7g

We could go the route of extend him with voidable years, still draft a QB in Round 1. If he flourishes and we make a run, unvoid the years. If same old Kirk, void him and move on to young guys. Some dead cap involved then but Cap should be rising in coming years.

I'm starting to think pass on QB in Round 1. Get Stingley, Gardner or McDuffie and try to shore up Secondary.

Good stuff. I agree. I just think, despite the negative bias he creates, there's a lot of talent there. We're going to give Zimmer a shot but not this exQB a shot? - but he's probably made up his mind too on whether or not he can pull this off ... and ultimately I strongly believe this is O'Connell's choice on whether he stays or not, with Kwesi's blessing, of course

- I also believe, as pointed out previously, they knew what he wanted to do during the interview process and they were all on board

I don't think it's necessarily O'Connell's decision. I think KAM will crunch the numbers, talk to Cousins' agent, pour over the analytics, talk to O'Connell and then they will make a concensus decision on Cousins.

I believe you are the one that said O'Connell most probably laid out his beliefs of Cousins being his QB in the interview and they bought it. I find it really hard to believe Kwesi isn't going to do his best to work with O'Connell's wishes in what he thinks he needs to win - especially at QB.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/19/2022 1:00:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

We're SO in a SB window it's not funny.

The defense is awful. Can they improve it to middle of the pack in short order?


A team with the right chemistry can overcome some of that. We have an anchor at every level (potentially) some young guys and some new blood to draw off of coming.

I think our culture we're about to build is exactly what we've been missing.


Anchor at every level? Smith is about the closest we have for the secondary. But he is slowing AND there are gaping holes everywhere at CB. I presume you mean Hunter for potential on the DL. Perhaps. But DT is terrible.

A lot of holes and bloated contracts on D.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/19/2022 1:04:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

1:23 clip (on Twitter) of Dan Barrio interviewing our coach I assume yesterday - posted 9 hrs ago.

Yes, coach is getting giving himself room to wiggle but seems sincere in wanting to go with him next year, to me.

Good stuff.

https://twitter.com/Str8_Cash_Homey/status/1494914427765747713?s=20&t=VUt_GRNVukS920ZS7QBr7g

We could go the route of extend him with voidable years, still draft a QB in Round 1. If he flourishes and we make a run, unvoid the years. If same old Kirk, void him and move on to young guys. Some dead cap involved then but Cap should be rising in coming years.

I'm starting to think pass on QB in Round 1. Get Stingley, Gardner or McDuffie and try to shore up Secondary.

Good stuff. I agree. I just think, despite the negative bias he creates, there's a lot of talent there. We're going to give Zimmer a shot but not this exQB a shot? - but he's probably made up his mind too on whether or not he can pull this off ... and ultimately I strongly believe this is O'Connell's choice on whether he stays or not, with Kwesi's blessing, of course

- I also believe, as pointed out previously, they knew what he wanted to do during the interview process and they were all on board

There is absolutely no reason for Cousins to renegotiate or extend unless its to his benefit, i.e., spreading out the 45M over another year or two into voidable years isn’t going to happen unless we throw a lot more guaranteed money at him. We are going to pay him 45M this year one way or another … if he stays. And then how much more to extend him into 2023 either as a resigning at market value or above or as a free agent at way above market value.

Where does it end?

I really don’t blame him … I can’t remember who but someone called him the GOAT of pro athlete contracts. All players and agents should try and emulate his situation. There’s a reason they are unable to … its uncomprimising to the health of the teams and the league.

Whether you are biased for him or against him … as a player … the current money due is an extreme. He has more power over his situation than the team, he is going to decide what happens next contractually … and that contract situation is going to be a crippling drag on the overall cap situation to improve the team.

If nothing else, 2022 has to be the low point of that leverage over the franchise. Irregardless of you wanting to blame Zimmer’s aura or every other circumstance for Cousins won loss record … we can no longer be at his mercy after 2022. We are not the Minnesota Cousins.


KC the contract GOAT? Sure his resume has fancy hoopla like 1st time 100% guaranteed. But for sheer, sustained contract success over a career - factoring in value in today's dollars - look no further than Sam Bradford.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/19/2022 1:36:18 PM   
Tom Sykes

 

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricky J

1:23 clip (on Twitter) of Dan Barrio interviewing our coach I assume yesterday - posted 9 hrs ago.

Yes, coach is getting giving himself room to wiggle but seems sincere in wanting to go with him next year, to me.

Good stuff.

https://twitter.com/Str8_Cash_Homey/status/1494914427765747713?s=20&t=VUt_GRNVukS920ZS7QBr7g

We could go the route of extend him with voidable years, still draft a QB in Round 1. If he flourishes and we make a run, unvoid the years. If same old Kirk, void him and move on to young guys. Some dead cap involved then but Cap should be rising in coming years.

I'm starting to think pass on QB in Round 1. Get Stingley, Gardner or McDuffie and try to shore up Secondary.

Good stuff. I agree. I just think, despite the negative bias he creates, there's a lot of talent there. We're going to give Zimmer a shot but not this exQB a shot? - but he's probably made up his mind too on whether or not he can pull this off ... and ultimately I strongly believe this is O'Connell's choice on whether he stays or not, with Kwesi's blessing, of course

- I also believe, as pointed out previously, they knew what he wanted to do during the interview process and they were all on board

I don't think it's necessarily O'Connell's decision. I think KAM will crunch the numbers, talk to Cousins' agent, pour over the analytics, talk to O'Connell and then they will make a concensus decision on Cousins.

I believe you are the one that said O'Connell most probably laid out his beliefs of Cousins being his QB in the interview and they bought it. I find it really hard to believe Kwesi isn't going to do his best to work with O'Connell's wishes in what he thinks he needs to win - especially at QB.

There's a vast difference between ... 'this will be a great answer to their interview question' ... to ... 'knowing all the inside variables and having to live with the consequences, this is the solution that is best for my team and my career'.

Both KAM and KO'C are probably convinced that Cousins can do it on some level ... aren't we all? ... that had to be an important interview question. The issues are at what level (how high) and for how long and at what cost.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/19/2022 1:45:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricky J

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricky J

1:23 clip (on Twitter) of Dan Barrio interviewing our coach I assume yesterday - posted 9 hrs ago.

Yes, coach is getting giving himself room to wiggle but seems sincere in wanting to go with him next year, to me.

Good stuff.

https://twitter.com/Str8_Cash_Homey/status/1494914427765747713?s=20&t=VUt_GRNVukS920ZS7QBr7g

We could go the route of extend him with voidable years, still draft a QB in Round 1. If he flourishes and we make a run, unvoid the years. If same old Kirk, void him and move on to young guys. Some dead cap involved then but Cap should be rising in coming years.

I'm starting to think pass on QB in Round 1. Get Stingley, Gardner or McDuffie and try to shore up Secondary.

Good stuff. I agree. I just think, despite the negative bias he creates, there's a lot of talent there. We're going to give Zimmer a shot but not this exQB a shot? - but he's probably made up his mind too on whether or not he can pull this off ... and ultimately I strongly believe this is O'Connell's choice on whether he stays or not, with Kwesi's blessing, of course

- I also believe, as pointed out previously, they knew what he wanted to do during the interview process and they were all on board

I don't think it's necessarily O'Connell's decision. I think KAM will crunch the numbers, talk to Cousins' agent, pour over the analytics, talk to O'Connell and then they will make a concensus decision on Cousins.

I believe you are the one that said O'Connell most probably laid out his beliefs of Cousins being his QB in the interview and they bought it. I find it really hard to believe Kwesi isn't going to do his best to work with O'Connell's wishes in what he thinks he needs to win - especially at QB.

There's a vast difference between ... 'this will be a great answer to their interview question' ... to ... 'knowing all the inside variables and having to live with the consequences, this is the solution that is best for my team and my career'.

Both KAM and KO'C are probably convinced that Cousins can do it on some level ... aren't we all? ... that had to be an important interview question. The issues are at what level (how high) and for how long and at what cost.

And more than any other discussion wouldn't you liked to have been a fly on the wall for that one?
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/19/2022 1:50:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricky J

1:23 clip (on Twitter) of Dan Barrio interviewing our coach I assume yesterday - posted 9 hrs ago.

Yes, coach is getting giving himself room to wiggle but seems sincere in wanting to go with him next year, to me.

Good stuff.

https://twitter.com/Str8_Cash_Homey/status/1494914427765747713?s=20&t=VUt_GRNVukS920ZS7QBr7g

We could go the route of extend him with voidable years, still draft a QB in Round 1. If he flourishes and we make a run, unvoid the years. If same old Kirk, void him and move on to young guys. Some dead cap involved then but Cap should be rising in coming years.

I'm starting to think pass on QB in Round 1. Get Stingley, Gardner or McDuffie and try to shore up Secondary.

Good stuff. I agree. I just think, despite the negative bias he creates, there's a lot of talent there. We're going to give Zimmer a shot but not this exQB a shot? - but he's probably made up his mind too on whether or not he can pull this off ... and ultimately I strongly believe this is O'Connell's choice on whether he stays or not, with Kwesi's blessing, of course

- I also believe, as pointed out previously, they knew what he wanted to do during the interview process and they were all on board

I don't think it's necessarily O'Connell's decision. I think KAM will crunch the numbers, talk to Cousins' agent, pour over the analytics, talk to O'Connell and then they will make a concensus decision on Cousins.

I believe you are the one that said O'Connell most probably laid out his beliefs of Cousins being his QB in the interview and they bought it. I find it really hard to believe Kwesi isn't going to do his best to work with O'Connell's wishes in what he thinks he needs to win - especially at QB.

No that wasn't me.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/19/2022 2:00:39 PM   
Tom Sykes

 

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

1:23 clip (on Twitter) of Dan Barrio interviewing our coach I assume yesterday - posted 9 hrs ago.

Yes, coach is getting giving himself room to wiggle but seems sincere in wanting to go with him next year, to me.

Good stuff.

https://twitter.com/Str8_Cash_Homey/status/1494914427765747713?s=20&t=VUt_GRNVukS920ZS7QBr7g

We could go the route of extend him with voidable years, still draft a QB in Round 1. If he flourishes and we make a run, unvoid the years. If same old Kirk, void him and move on to young guys. Some dead cap involved then but Cap should be rising in coming years.

I'm starting to think pass on QB in Round 1. Get Stingley, Gardner or McDuffie and try to shore up Secondary.

Good stuff. I agree. I just think, despite the negative bias he creates, there's a lot of talent there. We're going to give Zimmer a shot but not this exQB a shot? - but he's probably made up his mind too on whether or not he can pull this off ... and ultimately I strongly believe this is O'Connell's choice on whether he stays or not, with Kwesi's blessing, of course

- I also believe, as pointed out previously, they knew what he wanted to do during the interview process and they were all on board

There is absolutely no reason for Cousins to renegotiate or extend unless its to his benefit, i.e., spreading out the 45M over another year or two into voidable years isn’t going to happen unless we throw a lot more guaranteed money at him. We are going to pay him 45M this year one way or another … if he stays. And then how much more to extend him into 2023 either as a resigning at market value or above or as a free agent at way above market value.

Where does it end?

I really don’t blame him … I can’t remember who but someone called him the GOAT of pro athlete contracts. All players and agents should try and emulate his situation. There’s a reason they are unable to … its uncomprimising to the health of the teams and the league.

Whether you are biased for him or against him … as a player … the current money due is an extreme. He has more power over his situation than the team, he is going to decide what happens next contractually … and that contract situation is going to be a crippling drag on the overall cap situation to improve the team.

If nothing else, 2022 has to be the low point of that leverage over the franchise. Irregardless of you wanting to blame Zimmer’s aura or every other circumstance for Cousins won loss record … we can no longer be at his mercy after 2022. We are not the Minnesota Cousins.


KC the contract GOAT? Sure his resume has fancy hoopla like 1st time 100% guaranteed. But for sheer, sustained contract success over a career - factoring in value in today's dollars - look no further than Sam Bradford.

Over-priced ... you are right, its hard to argue with Bradford.

That's what arm talent at the position does ... keeps every team, coaching staff and fan base mesmerized, believing that we can convert that arm talent into wins.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/19/2022 2:03:53 PM   
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1:23 clip (on Twitter) of Dan Barrio interviewing our coach I assume yesterday - posted 9 hrs ago.

Yes, coach is getting giving himself room to wiggle but seems sincere in wanting to go with him next year, to me.

Good stuff.

https://twitter.com/Str8_Cash_Homey/status/1494914427765747713?s=20&t=VUt_GRNVukS920ZS7QBr7g

We could go the route of extend him with voidable years, still draft a QB in Round 1. If he flourishes and we make a run, unvoid the years. If same old Kirk, void him and move on to young guys. Some dead cap involved then but Cap should be rising in coming years.

I'm starting to think pass on QB in Round 1. Get Stingley, Gardner or McDuffie and try to shore up Secondary.

Good stuff. I agree. I just think, despite the negative bias he creates, there's a lot of talent there. We're going to give Zimmer a shot but not this exQB a shot? - but he's probably made up his mind too on whether or not he can pull this off ... and ultimately I strongly believe this is O'Connell's choice on whether he stays or not, with Kwesi's blessing, of course

- I also believe, as pointed out previously, they knew what he wanted to do during the interview process and they were all on board

I don't think it's necessarily O'Connell's decision. I think KAM will crunch the numbers, talk to Cousins' agent, pour over the analytics, talk to O'Connell and then they will make a concensus decision on Cousins.

I believe you are the one that said O'Connell most probably laid out his beliefs of Cousins being his QB in the interview and they bought it. I find it really hard to believe Kwesi isn't going to do his best to work with O'Connell's wishes in what he thinks he needs to win - especially at QB.

There's a vast difference between ... 'this will be a great answer to their interview question' ... to ... 'knowing all the inside variables and having to live with the consequences, this is the solution that is best for my team and my career'.

Both KAM and KO'C are probably convinced that Cousins can do it on some level ... aren't we all? ... that had to be an important interview question. The issues are at what level (how high) and for how long and at what cost.

And more than any other discussion wouldn't you liked to have been a fly on the wall for that one?

For sure. Its such a polarizing issue.

We'd all like to know what these guys really think.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/19/2022 3:29:27 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/19/2022 3:31:56 PM   
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1:23 clip (on Twitter) of Dan Barrio interviewing our coach I assume yesterday - posted 9 hrs ago.

Yes, coach is getting giving himself room to wiggle but seems sincere in wanting to go with him next year, to me.

Good stuff.

https://twitter.com/Str8_Cash_Homey/status/1494914427765747713?s=20&t=VUt_GRNVukS920ZS7QBr7g

We could go the route of extend him with voidable years, still draft a QB in Round 1. If he flourishes and we make a run, unvoid the years. If same old Kirk, void him and move on to young guys. Some dead cap involved then but Cap should be rising in coming years.

I'm starting to think pass on QB in Round 1. Get Stingley, Gardner or McDuffie and try to shore up Secondary.

Good stuff. I agree. I just think, despite the negative bias he creates, there's a lot of talent there. We're going to give Zimmer a shot but not this exQB a shot? - but he's probably made up his mind too on whether or not he can pull this off ... and ultimately I strongly believe this is O'Connell's choice on whether he stays or not, with Kwesi's blessing, of course

- I also believe, as pointed out previously, they knew what he wanted to do during the interview process and they were all on board

There is absolutely no reason for Cousins to renegotiate or extend unless its to his benefit, i.e., spreading out the 45M over another year or two into voidable years isn’t going to happen unless we throw a lot more guaranteed money at him. We are going to pay him 45M this year one way or another … if he stays. And then how much more to extend him into 2023 either as a resigning at market value or above or as a free agent at way above market value.

Where does it end?

I really don’t blame him … I can’t remember who but someone called him the GOAT of pro athlete contracts. All players and agents should try and emulate his situation. There’s a reason they are unable to … its uncomprimising to the health of the teams and the league.

Whether you are biased for him or against him … as a player … the current money due is an extreme. He has more power over his situation than the team, he is going to decide what happens next contractually … and that contract situation is going to be a crippling drag on the overall cap situation to improve the team.

If nothing else, 2022 has to be the low point of that leverage over the franchise. Irregardless of you wanting to blame Zimmer’s aura or every other circumstance for Cousins won loss record … we can no longer be at his mercy after 2022. We are not the Minnesota Cousins.


KC the contract GOAT? Sure his resume has fancy hoopla like 1st time 100% guaranteed. But for sheer, sustained contract success over a career - factoring in value in today's dollars - look no further than Sam Bradford.

Over-priced ... you are right, its hard to argue with Bradford.

That's what arm talent at the position does ... keeps every team, coaching staff and fan base mesmerized, believing that we can convert that arm talent into wins.

Bradford was a poor decision in retrospect. No one can know how that would of turned out if it was allowed to play out
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