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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer



zimmer played such a soft prevent defense at the end of each half last season that one can't even consider the quality of our defense with normal metrics...plus zimmer keeping breeland in - danzler out, and his game management - zimmer was just psycho last season...i really think he lost his mind...if zimmer wasn't fired i can't imagine where we'd be right now....last year was like watching a nervous breakdown in slow motion - week by week.....

it's impossible to accurately analyze last year's team - zimmer never gave the offense or defense any chance to win....





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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer



zimmer played such a soft prevent defense at the end of each half last season that one can't even consider the quality of our defense with normal metrics...plus zimmer keeping breeland in - danzler out, and his game management - zimmer was just psycho last season...i really think he lost his mind...if zimmer wasn't fired i can't imagine where we'd be right now....last year was like watching a nervous breakdown in slow motion - week by week.....

it's impossible to accurately analyze last year's team - zimmer never gave the offense or defense any chance to win....





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Zimmer was on a fence for me until the loss at Detroit. We gave a previously winless team their first win.

and all they had to do was keep them out of the endzone.

With Jared Goff at QB. You know the immobile Statue that wilts under pressure?


And they let them walk right down the field with no attempt to put pressure on Goff and ridiculously soft coverage. There was ONE play on the drive where they sent a blitz at Goff and he nearly threw a pick to seal the game....what did we do right after that play...right back to rushing three and giving a five yard cushion. I have never played football, never coached a game, but even I knew just how ****ing dumb that shit was.

Zimmer lost me right there. I couldn't wait for him to be gone at that point.

And after he was fired we start hearing about how he wasn't communicating with the GM. Started to realize he didn't like to give rookies a chance outside of the first round. and then you hear from a veteran like Erik Kendricks that it was hard to always play in fear... I honestly wonder why Wyatt Davis couldn't sniff the field, and why Mond couldn't get even that one start.

Zimmer sounds to me like dementia has started to set in.

I am glad he is gone.

I am hopeful for the new regime,

and I am very excited about where we might go with new energetic and open minded coaching.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Zimmer's shortcomings as a HC are to numerous to list.

As are the Wilf Bros. One would think they would have learned the first time they had to eat the full brunt of a HC contract.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Positively horseshit schedule for attending an away game. Grr.

Week 1: Green Bay Packers (9/11) W
Week 2: at Philadelphia Eagles (MNF) (9/19) L
Week 3: Detroit Lions (9/25) W
Week 4: at New Orleans Saints (London) (10/2) W
Week 5: Chicago Bears (10/9) W
Week 6: at Miami Dolphins (10/16) L
Week 7: BYE
Week 8: Arizona Cardinals (10/30) W
Week 9: at Washington Commanders (11/6) W
Week 10: at Buffalo Bills (11/13) L
Week 11: Dallas Cowboys (11/20) W
Week 12: New England Patriots (Thanksgiving) (11/24) W
Week 13: New York Jets (12/4) W
Week 14: at Detroit Lions (12/11) W
Week 15: Indianapolis Colts (12/17 or 12/18) L
Week 16: New York Giants (Christmas Eve) W
Week 17: at Green Bay Packers (New Year’s Day) L
Week 18: at Chicago Bears (1/8/23) W

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: David F.

Positively horseshit schedule for attending an away game. Grr.

Week 1: Green Bay Packers (9/11) W
Week 2: at Philadelphia Eagles (MNF) (9/19) L
Week 3: Detroit Lions (9/25) W
Week 4: at New Orleans Saints (London) (10/2) W
Week 5: Chicago Bears (10/9) W
Week 6: at Miami Dolphins (10/16) L
Week 7: BYE
Week 8: Arizona Cardinals (10/30) W
Week 9: at Washington Commanders (11/6) W
Week 10: at Buffalo Bills (11/13) L
Week 11: Dallas Cowboys (11/20) W
Week 12: New England Patriots (Thanksgiving) (11/24) W
Week 13: New York Jets (12/4) W
Week 14: at Detroit Lions (12/11) W
Week 15: Indianapolis Colts (12/17 or 12/18) L
Week 16: New York Giants (Christmas Eve) W
Week 17: at Green Bay Packers (New Year’s Day) L
Week 18: at Chicago Bears (1/8/23) W

12-5

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Zimmer's shortcomings as a HC are to numerous to list.

As are the Wilf Bros. One would think they would have learned the first time they had to eat the full brunt of a HC contract.

extending Zimmer and Speilman was a bizarre move. No point to it at all.

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Zimmer's shortcomings as a HC are to numerous to list.

As are the Wilf Bros. One would think they would have learned the first time they had to eat the full brunt of a HC contract.

extending Zimmer and Speilman was a bizarre move. No point to it at all.

and imagine, if he had won that game against Detroit and made the playoffs as #7 - he might still be our coach....

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Zimmer's shortcomings as a HC are to numerous to list.

As are the Wilf Bros. One would think they would have learned the first time they had to eat the full brunt of a HC contract.

extending Zimmer and Speilman was a bizarre move. No point to it at all.

and imagine, if he had won that game against Detroit and made the playoffs as #7 - he might still be our coach....

hmmm ... if he was losing it as much as we all think i wonder if thatd be enough to keep him around ...

- i almost feel bad for turning on him but not so much when I think he went way beyond what is acceptable regarding the tough guy act ...

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Zimmer's shortcomings as a HC are to numerous to list.

As are the Wilf Bros. One would think they would have learned the first time they had to eat the full brunt of a HC contract.

extending Zimmer and Speilman was a bizarre move. No point to it at all.

and imagine, if he had won that game against Detroit and made the playoffs as #7 - he might still be our coach....

hmmm ... if he was losing it as much as we all think i wonder if thatd be enough to keep him around ...

- i almost feel bad for turning on him but not so much when I think he went way beyond what is acceptable regarding the tough guy act ...

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Positively horseshit schedule for attending an away game. Grr.

Week 1: Green Bay Packers (9/11)
Week 2: at Philadelphia Eagles (MNF) (9/19)
Week 3: Detroit Lions (9/25)
Week 4: at New Orleans Saints (London) (10/2)
Week 5: Chicago Bears (10/9)
Week 6: at Miami Dolphins (10/16)
Week 7: BYE
Week 8: Arizona Cardinals (10/30)
Week 9: at Washington Commanders (11/6)
Week 10: at Buffalo Bills (11/13)
Week 11: Dallas Cowboys (11/20)
Week 12: New England Patriots (Thanksgiving) (11/24)
Week 13: New York Jets (12/4)
Week 14: at Detroit Lions (12/11)
Week 15: Indianapolis Colts (12/17 or 12/18)
Week 16: New York Giants (Christmas Eve)
Week 17: at Green Bay Packers (New Year’s Day)
Week 18: at Chicago Bears (1/8/23)

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Zimmer's shortcomings as a HC are to numerous to list.

As are the Wilf Bros. One would think they would have learned the first time they had to eat the full brunt of a HC contract.

extending Zimmer and Speilman was a bizarre move. No point to it at all.

and imagine, if he had won that game against Detroit and made the playoffs as #7 - he might still be our coach....

hmmm ... if he was losing it as much as we all think i wonder if thatd be enough to keep him around ...

- i almost feel bad for turning on him but not so much when I think he went way beyond what is acceptable regarding the tough guy act ...

zimmer lost it - he melted down every game...but to think that spielman didn't communicate with him for months is just remarkable...i wonder what the real story is?...that's why spielman lost his job, too....

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ORIGINAL: Murph

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Positively horseshit schedule for attending an away game. Grr.

Week 1: Green Bay Packers (9/11)
Week 2: at Philadelphia Eagles (MNF) (9/19)
Week 3: Detroit Lions (9/25)
Week 4: at New Orleans Saints (London) (10/2)
Week 5: Chicago Bears (10/9)
Week 6: at Miami Dolphins (10/16)
Week 7: BYE
Week 8: Arizona Cardinals (10/30)
Week 9: at Washington Commanders (11/6)
Week 10: at Buffalo Bills (11/13)
Week 11: Dallas Cowboys (11/20)
Week 12: New England Patriots (Thanksgiving) (11/24)
Week 13: New York Jets (12/4)
Week 14: at Detroit Lions (12/11)
Week 15: Indianapolis Colts (12/17 or 12/18)
Week 16: New York Giants (Christmas Eve)
Week 17: at Green Bay Packers (New Year’s Day)
Week 18: at Chicago Bears (1/8/23)

I like the schedule.

We don't face many elite QB's this year in a QB league; Rogers, Allen and if you consider Murray elite(I think his skills are elite but I consider him in 2nd tier)

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Positively horseshit schedule for attending an away game. Grr.

Week 1: Green Bay Packers (9/11) W
Week 2: at Philadelphia Eagles (MNF) (9/19) L
Week 3: Detroit Lions (9/25) W
Week 4: at New Orleans Saints (London) (10/2) W
Week 5: Chicago Bears (10/9) W
Week 6: at Miami Dolphins (10/16) L
Week 7: BYE
Week 8: Arizona Cardinals (10/30) W
Week 9: at Washington Commanders (11/6) W
Week 10: at Buffalo Bills (11/13) L
Week 11: Dallas Cowboys (11/20) W
Week 12: New England Patriots (Thanksgiving) (11/24) W
Week 13: New York Jets (12/4) W
Week 14: at Detroit Lions (12/11) W
Week 15: Indianapolis Colts (12/17 or 12/18) L
Week 16: New York Giants (Christmas Eve) W
Week 17: at Green Bay Packers (New Year’s Day) L
Week 18: at Chicago Bears (1/8/23) W

12-5

We'll beat the Colts but lose to the Pats. Otherwise I like it.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Positively horseshit schedule for attending an away game. Grr.

Week 1: Green Bay Packers (9/11) W
Week 2: at Philadelphia Eagles (MNF) (9/19) L
Week 3: Detroit Lions (9/25) W
Week 4: at New Orleans Saints (London) (10/2) W
Week 5: Chicago Bears (10/9) W
Week 6: at Miami Dolphins (10/16) L
Week 7: BYE
Week 8: Arizona Cardinals (10/30) W
Week 9: at Washington Commanders (11/6) W
Week 10: at Buffalo Bills (11/13) L
Week 11: Dallas Cowboys (11/20) W
Week 12: New England Patriots (Thanksgiving) (11/24) W
Week 13: New York Jets (12/4) W
Week 14: at Detroit Lions (12/11) W
Week 15: Indianapolis Colts (12/17 or 12/18) L
Week 16: New York Giants (Christmas Eve) W
Week 17: at Green Bay Packers (New Year’s Day) L
Week 18: at Chicago Bears (1/8/23) W

12-5

We'll beat the Colts but lose to the Pats. Otherwise I like it.

We will lose to the Bears in Week 5.

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ORIGINAL: geoffrey greitzer

Does anyone know if Mond will be there this weekend. love to hear reports.

Is it open to reporters?

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: geoffrey greitzer

Does anyone know if Mond will be there this weekend. love to hear reports.

Is it open to reporters?

He is not a rookie and there is no requirement to attend.

That being said, I would love it if he did. I think it would be good for him.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Zimmer's shortcomings as a HC are to numerous to list.

As are the Wilf Bros. One would think they would have learned the first time they had to eat the full brunt of a HC contract.

extending Zimmer and Speilman was a bizarre move. No point to it at all.

and imagine, if he had won that game against Detroit and made the playoffs as #7 - he might still be our coach....

hmmm ... if he was losing it as much as we all think i wonder if thatd be enough to keep him around ...

- i almost feel bad for turning on him but not so much when I think he went way beyond what is acceptable regarding the tough guy act ...

zimmer lost it - he melted down every game...but to think that spielman didn't communicate with him for months is just remarkable...i wonder what the real story is?...that's why spielman lost his job, too....

We'll probably never find out.

But Zim not playing rookies is so out of touch. Rookie contracts are golden and you need to take advantage of them. Esp CB's. His system must have been so F'ed up it'd take a rookie 3 yrs to figure it out then they'd walk.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

No Kellen Mond

EAGAN, Minn. — In addition to Minnesota's 10-player draft class and its group of undrafted rookie free agents, several others have been invited to Twin Cities Orthopedics Performance Center for this weekend's rookie minicamp on a tryout basis.

The participants also include 2021 draft picks Zach Davidson and Jaylen Twyman.

Here is the position-by-position list of 42 total players (alphabetical order by last name):

Quarterbacks (2)

5 Brett Hundley, UCLA

9 Patrick O'Brien, Washington

Running Backs (3)

32 Ty Chandler, North Carolina

38 Bryant Koback, Toledo

31 A.J. Rose, Jr., Kentucky

Wide Receivers (6)

15 Aleva Hifo, BYU

89 Thomas Hennigan, Appalachian State

11 Jalik Jaggwe, William Jewell

13 Nykeim Johnson, Kent State

87 Myron Mitchell, UAB

83 Jalen Nailor, Michigan State

Tight Ends (2)

40 Zach Davidson, Central Missouri

34 Nick Muse, South Carolina

Offensive Line (6)

67 Ed Ingram, LSU

63 Vederian Lowe, Illinois

78 Tyrone Riley, N.C. State

60 Josh Sokol, Sacred Heart

79 Hunter Toppel, Minnesota State, Mankato

61 Orlando Umana, Mississippi

Defensive Line (5)

92 Isaiah Buggs, Alabama

90 Esezi Otomewo, Minnesota

50 T.J. Smith, Arkansas

51 Tyarise Stevenson, Tulsa

93 Jaylen Twyman, Pittsburgh

Linebackers (6)

33 Brian Asamoah, Oklahoma

47 Tuf Borland, Ohio State

52 William Kwenkeu, Temple

59 Zach McCloud, Miami

43 Luiji Vilain, Wake Forest

57 Manny Walker, Temple

Defensive Backs (9)

23 Andrew Booth, Jr., Clemson

37 Mike Brown, Miami (OH)

6 Lewis Cine, Georgia

26 Coney Durr, Minnesota

21 Akayleb Evans, Missouri

25 Michael Jacquet, Louisiana-Lafayette

20 Jalen Julius, Mississippi

42 Antwon Kincade, Western Kentucky

29 Reggie Stubblefield, Kansas State

Specialists (3)

49 Gabe Brkic (K), Oklahoma

41 Jordan Silver (LS), Arkansas

66 Ryan Wright (P), Tulane

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Zimmer's shortcomings as a HC are to numerous to list.

As are the Wilf Bros. One would think they would have learned the first time they had to eat the full brunt of a HC contract.

extending Zimmer and Speilman was a bizarre move. No point to it at all.

and imagine, if he had won that game against Detroit and made the playoffs as #7 - he might still be our coach....

hmmm ... if he was losing it as much as we all think i wonder if thatd be enough to keep him around ...

- i almost feel bad for turning on him but not so much when I think he went way beyond what is acceptable regarding the tough guy act ...

zimmer lost it - he melted down every game...but to think that spielman didn't communicate with him for months is just remarkable...i wonder what the real story is?...that's why spielman lost his job, too....

We'll probably never find out.

But Zim not playing rookies is so out of touch. Rookie contracts are golden and you need to take advantage of them. Esp CB's. His system must have been so F'ed up it'd take a rookie 3 yrs to figure it out then they'd walk.

Easily the most frustrating thing for me about the team is that we know so VERY LITTLE about it. We know how it functions within the extremely limited vision of Mike Zimmer and that's it. I wouldn't dare make a prediction on wins and losses for this coming year. Will O'Connell recognize the urgency of the opposing offense in the last two minutes of halves and scheme accordingly as opposed to Grandpa Grumpy who just assumed they'd run into the pile a couple of times and head in for halftime? Definitely. How much will that alone improve the team's results? I have no idea. How about the likelihood that the culture in the building isn't constantly freezing out our own kicker? There's dozens of these things. Yet we also have a brand new coach. Maybe he'll mess up some things that were running correctly.

I predict our win total to be somewhere between 6 and 15 - and I'm not solidly confident on that.