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Ben Goessling
@GoesslingStrib 1h
Before today, Kirk Cousins had attempted 30 passes with the #Vikings tied or trailing by eight points or less in the final two minutes. No other NFL QB had attempted more than 15.

He was 4/5 for 30 yards on the Vikings’ 2-min drive today. In OT, he was 5/5 for 50 yards and a TD.

- can we get Brad to comment on this one?

Cousins has run very efficient and effective two minute drills in every game this year. On a couple the kicker ****ed it all up.

Brad, who couldn't shut the **** up about how bad KC was in the 2 minute drill, has been remarkably silent about it since the season started.

Recapping Cousins OT and the the last two and even one minute or less mark performances.
Game winning drive against the undefeated AZ Cards, blown by short missed FG. Game winning drive in regulation against Carolina blown by missed medium FG, What would have almost certainly been a game winning drive against Cinci stopped by phantom fumble call, game tying drive against Cinci in regulation, game winning drive against the Lions with 37 seconds remaining. Game winning drive in OT against the Panthers. This is unprecedented clutch performance in late game situations over a 6 game span in NFL history.
Did I forget one?

Well the Browns game sure was a stinker. After the first drive the entire team looked lost.

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Ben Goessling
@GoesslingStrib 1h
Before today, Kirk Cousins had attempted 30 passes with the #Vikings tied or trailing by eight points or less in the final two minutes. No other NFL QB had attempted more than 15.

He was 4/5 for 30 yards on the Vikings’ 2-min drive today. In OT, he was 5/5 for 50 yards and a TD.

- can we get Brad to comment on this one?

Cousins has run very efficient and effective two minute drills in every game this year. On a couple the kicker ****ed it all up.

Brad, who couldn't shut the **** up about how bad KC was in the 2 minute drill, has been remarkably silent about it since the season started.

I'll play devil's advocate. Overtime isn't the last two minutes of a half and how many points did we score while going four of five for 30 yards yesterday?

Disclaimer - Kirk has been mostly excellent this season. Second disclaimer - in the past he was very poor in the final two minutes of halves.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Ben Goessling
@GoesslingStrib 1h
Before today, Kirk Cousins had attempted 30 passes with the #Vikings tied or trailing by eight points or less in the final two minutes. No other NFL QB had attempted more than 15.

He was 4/5 for 30 yards on the Vikings’ 2-min drive today. In OT, he was 5/5 for 50 yards and a TD.

- can we get Brad to comment on this one?

Cousins has run very efficient and effective two minute drills in every game this year. On a couple the kicker ****ed it all up.

Brad, who couldn't shut the **** up about how bad KC was in the 2 minute drill, has been remarkably silent about it since the season started.

I'll play devil's advocate. Overtime isn't the last two minutes of a half and how many points did we score while going four of five for 30 yards yesterday?

Disclaimer - Kirk has been mostly excellent this season. Second disclaimer - in the past he was very poor in the final two minutes of halves.

That is spot on, not just playing devil's ... the wild Cousins hyperbole in here is getting out of hand (see KGs post above about 'unprecedented in history')

Really? Cousins the all-time best field goal position getter ... the best ever 3-3 qb ... the best ever qb to not score 4th qtr TDs in 4 out of 6 games to start a season ... huzzah!

The offense is scoring and Cousins has been outstanding. Whatever synapse popped off in his brain over the summer - Cousins has carried us in every game. He still waters us down IMO from building on leads and from going for the throat.

He's the kid that methodically opens x-mas presents, folds up the wrapping paper for next year, then reads the owners manual before filling his squirt gun and asking his siblings about the 'rules of engagement'. He'll never just be a killer with a squirt gun like the top 5 or 6 QBs in this league that are in a race to unload their bullets (water) and hurt (wet) you as quickly and thoroughly as possible.

Everybody wants to point to Zimmer and the defense for throttling down our games to a make or break final drive ... they should and they do get the lion's share of blame ... but the offense gets some blame.

Zimmer doesn't call the plays and doesn't choose which option to throw to ... Cousins and the offense deserve credit for being efficient and good enough to keep us in every game ... they also get blame for being too rigid in their approach, putting too much emphasis on sustaining drives and settling for 3 ... and not enough emphasis on attacking the defense or for going for 7.

We are 3-3; 3-3 is what we are.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Ben Goessling
@GoesslingStrib 1h
Before today, Kirk Cousins had attempted 30 passes with the #Vikings tied or trailing by eight points or less in the final two minutes. No other NFL QB had attempted more than 15.

He was 4/5 for 30 yards on the Vikings’ 2-min drive today. In OT, he was 5/5 for 50 yards and a TD.

- can we get Brad to comment on this one?

Cousins has run very efficient and effective two minute drills in every game this year. On a couple the kicker ****ed it all up.

Brad, who couldn't shut the **** up about how bad KC was in the 2 minute drill, has been remarkably silent about it since the season started.

I'll play devil's advocate. Overtime isn't the last two minutes of a half and how many points did we score while going four of five for 30 yards yesterday?

Disclaimer - Kirk has been mostly excellent this season. Second disclaimer - in the past he was very poor in the final two minutes of halves.

That is spot on, not just playing devil's ... the wild Cousins hyperbole in here is getting out of hand (see KGs post above about 'unprecedented in history')

Really? Cousins the all-time best field goal position getter ... the best ever 3-3 qb ... the best ever qb to not score 4th qtr TDs in 4 out of 6 games to start a season ... huzzah!

The offense is scoring and Cousins has been outstanding. Whatever synapse popped off in his brain over the summer - Cousins has carried us in every game. He still waters us down IMO from building on leads and from going for the throat.

He's the kid that methodically opens x-mas presents, folds up the wrapping paper for next year, then reads the owners manual before filling his squirt gun and asking his siblings about the 'rules of engagement'. He'll never just be a killer with a squirt gun like the top 5 or 6 QBs in this league that are in a race to unload their bullets (water) and hurt (wet) you as quickly and thoroughly as possible.

Everybody wants to point to Zimmer and the defense for throttling down our games to a make or break final drive ... they should and they do get the lion's share of blame ... but the offense gets some blame.

Zimmer doesn't call the plays and doesn't choose which option to throw to ... Cousins and the offense deserve credit for being efficient and good enough to keep us in every game ... they also get blame for being too rigid in their approach, putting too much emphasis on sustaining drives and settling for 3 ... and not enough emphasis on attacking the defense or for going for 7.

We are 3-3; 3-3 is what we are.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Ben Goessling
@GoesslingStrib 1h
Before today, Kirk Cousins had attempted 30 passes with the #Vikings tied or trailing by eight points or less in the final two minutes. No other NFL QB had attempted more than 15.

He was 4/5 for 30 yards on the Vikings’ 2-min drive today. In OT, he was 5/5 for 50 yards and a TD.

- can we get Brad to comment on this one?

Cousins has run very efficient and effective two minute drills in every game this year. On a couple the kicker ****ed it all up.

Brad, who couldn't shut the **** up about how bad KC was in the 2 minute drill, has been remarkably silent about it since the season started.

I'll play devil's advocate. Overtime isn't the last two minutes of a half and how many points did we score while going four of five for 30 yards yesterday?

Disclaimer - Kirk has been mostly excellent this season. Second disclaimer - in the past he was very poor in the final two minutes of halves.

That is spot on, not just playing devil's ... the wild Cousins hyperbole in here is getting out of hand (see KGs post above about 'unprecedented in history')

Really? Cousins the all-time best field goal position getter ... the best ever 3-3 qb ... the best ever qb to not score 4th qtr TDs in 4 out of 6 games to start a season ... huzzah!

The offense is scoring and Cousins has been outstanding. Whatever synapse popped off in his brain over the summer - Cousins has carried us in every game. He still waters us down IMO from building on leads and from going for the throat.

He's the kid that methodically opens x-mas presents, folds up the wrapping paper for next year, then reads the owners manual before filling his squirt gun and asking his siblings about the 'rules of engagement'. He'll never just be a killer with a squirt gun like the top 5 or 6 QBs in this league that are in a race to unload their bullets (water) and hurt (wet) you as quickly and thoroughly as possible.

Everybody wants to point to Zimmer and the defense for throttling down our games to a make or break final drive ... they should and they do get the lion's share of blame ... but the offense gets some blame.

Zimmer doesn't call the plays and doesn't choose which option to throw to ... Cousins and the offense deserve credit for being efficient and good enough to keep us in every game ... they also get blame for being too rigid in their approach, putting too much emphasis on sustaining drives and settling for 3 ... and not enough emphasis on attacking the defense or for going for 7.

We are 3-3; 3-3 is what we are.

A lot of this is pretty spot on, but I'll disagree with the bolded. Zimmer is the one pulling back on the throttle, not Cousins. Zim has the cookbook page, about getting the lead and running the ball to kill the clock, laminated. The Vikings are never more predictable and conservative than when they have a lead in the second half. Run the ball. Short passes. Play it safe. Kill the clock. It's all part of his playing to not lose instead of playing to win mentality. Zimmer may not call the plays directly, but Kubiak has no doubt about what plays he is supposed to call in those situations.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Ben Goessling
@GoesslingStrib 1h
Before today, Kirk Cousins had attempted 30 passes with the #Vikings tied or trailing by eight points or less in the final two minutes. No other NFL QB had attempted more than 15.

He was 4/5 for 30 yards on the Vikings’ 2-min drive today. In OT, he was 5/5 for 50 yards and a TD.

- can we get Brad to comment on this one?

Cousins has run very efficient and effective two minute drills in every game this year. On a couple the kicker ****ed it all up.

Brad, who couldn't shut the **** up about how bad KC was in the 2 minute drill, has been remarkably silent about it since the season started.

I'll play devil's advocate. Overtime isn't the last two minutes of a half and how many points did we score while going four of five for 30 yards yesterday?

Disclaimer - Kirk has been mostly excellent this season. Second disclaimer - in the past he was very poor in the final two minutes of halves.

That is spot on, not just playing devil's ... the wild Cousins hyperbole in here is getting out of hand (see KGs post above about 'unprecedented in history')

Really? Cousins the all-time best field goal position getter ... the best ever 3-3 qb ... the best ever qb to not score 4th qtr TDs in 4 out of 6 games to start a season ... huzzah!

The offense is scoring and Cousins has been outstanding. Whatever synapse popped off in his brain over the summer - Cousins has carried us in every game. He still waters us down IMO from building on leads and from going for the throat.

He's the kid that methodically opens x-mas presents, folds up the wrapping paper for next year, then reads the owners manual before filling his squirt gun and asking his siblings about the 'rules of engagement'. He'll never just be a killer with a squirt gun like the top 5 or 6 QBs in this league that are in a race to unload their bullets (water) and hurt (wet) you as quickly and thoroughly as possible.

Everybody wants to point to Zimmer and the defense for throttling down our games to a make or break final drive ... they should and they do get the lion's share of blame ... but the offense gets some blame.

Zimmer doesn't call the plays and doesn't choose which option to throw to ... Cousins and the offense deserve credit for being efficient and good enough to keep us in every game ... they also get blame for being too rigid in their approach, putting too much emphasis on sustaining drives and settling for 3 ... and not enough emphasis on attacking the defense or for going for 7.

We are 3-3; 3-3 is what we are.

A lot of this is pretty spot on, but I'll disagree with the bolded. Zimmer is the one pulling back on the throttle, not Cousins. Zim has the cookbook page, about getting the lead and running the ball to kill the clock, laminated. The Vikings are never more predictable and conservative than when they have a lead in the second half. Run the ball. Short passes. Play it safe. Kill the clock. It's all part of his playing to not lose instead of playing to win mentality. Zimmer may not call the plays directly, but Kubiak has no doubt about what plays he is supposed to call in those situations.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Ben Goessling
@GoesslingStrib 1h
Before today, Kirk Cousins had attempted 30 passes with the #Vikings tied or trailing by eight points or less in the final two minutes. No other NFL QB had attempted more than 15.

He was 4/5 for 30 yards on the Vikings’ 2-min drive today. In OT, he was 5/5 for 50 yards and a TD.

- can we get Brad to comment on this one?

Cousins has run very efficient and effective two minute drills in every game this year. On a couple the kicker ****ed it all up.

Brad, who couldn't shut the **** up about how bad KC was in the 2 minute drill, has been remarkably silent about it since the season started.

I'll play devil's advocate. Overtime isn't the last two minutes of a half and how many points did we score while going four of five for 30 yards yesterday?

Disclaimer - Kirk has been mostly excellent this season. Second disclaimer - in the past he was very poor in the final two minutes of halves.

That is spot on, not just playing devil's ... the wild Cousins hyperbole in here is getting out of hand (see KGs post above about 'unprecedented in history')

Really? Cousins the all-time best field goal position getter ... the best ever 3-3 qb ... the best ever qb to not score 4th qtr TDs in 4 out of 6 games to start a season ... huzzah!

The offense is scoring and Cousins has been outstanding. Whatever synapse popped off in his brain over the summer - Cousins has carried us in every game. He still waters us down IMO from building on leads and from going for the throat.

He's the kid that methodically opens x-mas presents, folds up the wrapping paper for next year, then reads the owners manual before filling his squirt gun and asking his siblings about the 'rules of engagement'. He'll never just be a killer with a squirt gun like the top 5 or 6 QBs in this league that are in a race to unload their bullets (water) and hurt (wet) you as quickly and thoroughly as possible.

Everybody wants to point to Zimmer and the defense for throttling down our games to a make or break final drive ... they should and they do get the lion's share of blame ... but the offense gets some blame.

Zimmer doesn't call the plays and doesn't choose which option to throw to ... Cousins and the offense deserve credit for being efficient and good enough to keep us in every game ... they also get blame for being too rigid in their approach, putting too much emphasis on sustaining drives and settling for 3 ... and not enough emphasis on attacking the defense or for going for 7.

We are 3-3; 3-3 is what we are.

A lot of this is pretty spot on, but I'll disagree with the bolded. Zimmer is the one pulling back on the throttle, not Cousins. Zim has the cookbook page, about getting the lead and running the ball to kill the clock, laminated. The Vikings are never more predictable and conservative than when they have a lead in the second half. Run the ball. Short passes. Play it safe. Kill the clock. It's all part of his playing to not lose instead of playing to win mentality. Zimmer may not call the plays directly, but Kubiak has no doubt about what plays he is supposed to call in those situations.

I agree that Zimmer is all the things you mention philosophically … I agree that Kubiak is gameplanning and play calling under Zimmer’s scrutiny … I just think there is too much credit or blame directed off the field for how the offense executes on the field.

I also think the improvement in Cousins game from previous seasons does not overcome his tendency to keep production ‘tidy’ with safer throws - as much as possible.

I also understand I am nitpicking.

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Spielman will trade a 2nd for Xavier Rhodes.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Spielman will trade a 2nd for Xavier Rhodes.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Ben Goessling
@GoesslingStrib 1h
Before today, Kirk Cousins had attempted 30 passes with the #Vikings tied or trailing by eight points or less in the final two minutes. No other NFL QB had attempted more than 15.

He was 4/5 for 30 yards on the Vikings’ 2-min drive today. In OT, he was 5/5 for 50 yards and a TD.

- can we get Brad to comment on this one?

Cousins has run very efficient and effective two minute drills in every game this year. On a couple the kicker ****ed it all up.

Brad, who couldn't shut the **** up about how bad KC was in the 2 minute drill, has been remarkably silent about it since the season started.

I'll play devil's advocate. Overtime isn't the last two minutes of a half and how many points did we score while going four of five for 30 yards yesterday?

Disclaimer - Kirk has been mostly excellent this season. Second disclaimer - in the past he was very poor in the final two minutes of halves.

That is spot on, not just playing devil's ... the wild Cousins hyperbole in here is getting out of hand (see KGs post above about 'unprecedented in history')

Really? Cousins the all-time best field goal position getter ... the best ever 3-3 qb ... the best ever qb to not score 4th qtr TDs in 4 out of 6 games to start a season ... huzzah!

The offense is scoring and Cousins has been outstanding. Whatever synapse popped off in his brain over the summer - Cousins has carried us in every game. He still waters us down IMO from building on leads and from going for the throat.

He's the kid that methodically opens x-mas presents, folds up the wrapping paper for next year, then reads the owners manual before filling his squirt gun and asking his siblings about the 'rules of engagement'. He'll never just be a killer with a squirt gun like the top 5 or 6 QBs in this league that are in a race to unload their bullets (water) and hurt (wet) you as quickly and thoroughly as possible.

Everybody wants to point to Zimmer and the defense for throttling down our games to a make or break final drive ... they should and they do get the lion's share of blame ... but the offense gets some blame.

Zimmer doesn't call the plays and doesn't choose which option to throw to ... Cousins and the offense deserve credit for being efficient and good enough to keep us in every game ... they also get blame for being too rigid in their approach, putting too much emphasis on sustaining drives and settling for 3 ... and not enough emphasis on attacking the defense or for going for 7.

We are 3-3; 3-3 is what we are.

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ORIGINAL: GopherFan34

When the vikes recovered the Darnold fumble, that's when you go for the endzone on 1st down. Instead they got no points.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Ben Goessling
@GoesslingStrib 1h
Before today, Kirk Cousins had attempted 30 passes with the #Vikings tied or trailing by eight points or less in the final two minutes. No other NFL QB had attempted more than 15.

He was 4/5 for 30 yards on the Vikings’ 2-min drive today. In OT, he was 5/5 for 50 yards and a TD.

- can we get Brad to comment on this one?

Cousins has run very efficient and effective two minute drills in every game this year. On a couple the kicker ****ed it all up.

Brad, who couldn't shut the **** up about how bad KC was in the 2 minute drill, has been remarkably silent about it since the season started.

I'll play devil's advocate. Overtime isn't the last two minutes of a half and how many points did we score while going four of five for 30 yards yesterday?

Disclaimer - Kirk has been mostly excellent this season. Second disclaimer - in the past he was very poor in the final two minutes of halves.

That is spot on, not just playing devil's ... the wild Cousins hyperbole in here is getting out of hand (see KGs post above about 'unprecedented in history')

Really? Cousins the all-time best field goal position getter ... the best ever 3-3 qb ... the best ever qb to not score 4th qtr TDs in 4 out of 6 games to start a season ... huzzah!

The offense is scoring and Cousins has been outstanding. Whatever synapse popped off in his brain over the summer - Cousins has carried us in every game. He still waters us down IMO from building on leads and from going for the throat.

He's the kid that methodically opens x-mas presents, folds up the wrapping paper for next year, then reads the owners manual before filling his squirt gun and asking his siblings about the 'rules of engagement'. He'll never just be a killer with a squirt gun like the top 5 or 6 QBs in this league that are in a race to unload their bullets (water) and hurt (wet) you as quickly and thoroughly as possible.

Everybody wants to point to Zimmer and the defense for throttling down our games to a make or break final drive ... they should and they do get the lion's share of blame ... but the offense gets some blame.

Zimmer doesn't call the plays and doesn't choose which option to throw to ... Cousins and the offense deserve credit for being efficient and good enough to keep us in every game ... they also get blame for being too rigid in their approach, putting too much emphasis on sustaining drives and settling for 3 ... and not enough emphasis on attacking the defense or for going for 7.

We are 3-3; 3-3 is what we are.

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Ben Goessling
@GoesslingStrib 1h
Before today, Kirk Cousins had attempted 30 passes with the #Vikings tied or trailing by eight points or less in the final two minutes. No other NFL QB had attempted more than 15.

He was 4/5 for 30 yards on the Vikings’ 2-min drive today. In OT, he was 5/5 for 50 yards and a TD.

- can we get Brad to comment on this one?

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Ben Goessling
@GoesslingStrib 1h
Before today, Kirk Cousins had attempted 30 passes with the #Vikings tied or trailing by eight points or less in the final two minutes. No other NFL QB had attempted more than 15.

He was 4/5 for 30 yards on the Vikings’ 2-min drive today. In OT, he was 5/5 for 50 yards and a TD.

- can we get Brad to comment on this one?

Cousins has run very efficient and effective two minute drills in every game this year. On a couple the kicker ****ed it all up.

Brad, who couldn't shut the **** up about how bad KC was in the 2 minute drill, has been remarkably silent about it since the season started.

I'll play devil's advocate. Overtime isn't the last two minutes of a half and how many points did we score while going four of five for 30 yards yesterday?

Disclaimer - Kirk has been mostly excellent this season. Second disclaimer - in the past he was very poor in the final two minutes of halves.

That is spot on, not just playing devil's ... the wild Cousins hyperbole in here is getting out of hand (see KGs post above about 'unprecedented in history')

Really? Cousins the all-time best field goal position getter ... the best ever 3-3 qb ... the best ever qb to not score 4th qtr TDs in 4 out of 6 games to start a season ... huzzah!

The offense is scoring and Cousins has been outstanding. Whatever synapse popped off in his brain over the summer - Cousins has carried us in every game. He still waters us down IMO from building on leads and from going for the throat.

He's the kid that methodically opens x-mas presents, folds up the wrapping paper for next year, then reads the owners manual before filling his squirt gun and asking his siblings about the 'rules of engagement'. He'll never just be a killer with a squirt gun like the top 5 or 6 QBs in this league that are in a race to unload their bullets (water) and hurt (wet) you as quickly and thoroughly as possible.

Everybody wants to point to Zimmer and the defense for throttling down our games to a make or break final drive ... they should and they do get the lion's share of blame ... but the offense gets some blame.

Zimmer doesn't call the plays and doesn't choose which option to throw to ... Cousins and the offense deserve credit for being efficient and good enough to keep us in every game ... they also get blame for being too rigid in their approach, putting too much emphasis on sustaining drives and settling for 3 ... and not enough emphasis on attacking the defense or for going for 7.

We are 3-3; 3-3 is what we are.

Tom I stand by my unprecedented statement. In 6 games Cousins has engineered at least 6 last minute or overtime game tying or game winning drives or what should have been so. I've been watching NFL football since 1970 and I don't recall a stretch like that. The closest that comes to mind is George Blanda as punter and backup QB for the Raiders back in the 70s.I'm not saying the greatest QB of all time or anything like that. I'm just giving credit for his current streak. Yes 2 of those games ended in losses, but certainly should have been wins based on what Cousins did.

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When the vikes recovered the Darnold fumble, that's when you go for the endzone on 1st down. Instead they got no points.

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How bad were Darnold and his butterfinger WRs?

Bashaud Breeland, the former Clemson Tiger, earned a grade of 89.9 on PFF’s first review, allowing zero yards and zero receptions on eight targets. He also intercepted Darnold’s pass and forced another incompletion.