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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/29/2021 4:43:47 PM

ratoppenheimer

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To be fair to Cousins, he has engineered 18 game winning drives over his career.

Which is far more than I realized. It puts him currently at #69 all time (for game winning drives). there are obviously a bazillion variables to that ...

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/gwd_career.htm

I haven't found current stats for game winning walk-off TDs ...

Someone called footballperspective.com has Cousins with 7 game winning TDs before 2020 ... did he throw any last season? I honestly can't remember. The NO playoff game and last weekend are the only 2 TDs I do remember ...

https://www.footballperspective.com/which-quarterback-has-thrown-the-most-game-winning-touchdowns-through-2019/

If no, he currently has 8 walk off TDs (incl CAR last weekend) which, again, is more than I have been giving him credit for.

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I dunno. Even watching him play really well this year ... it just feels like he is too risk-averse, too methodical ... taking what he can get over looking downfield for chunk plays.

Then again, 57-57-2 ... he gets way too much blame and credit ... but 57-57-2

There should be a stat "shoulda-been-game-winning-drive". I remember Daunte Culpepper leading us back for leads in the 4th quarter (sometimes multiple times anybody remember the Doug O'brien/Buffalo game?) many times, yet the defense would immediately piss the lead away. And Culpepper got the rep as a QB who couldn't rally a team.

Cousins has more game winning TDs than Two-minute Tommy but unless he does some damage in playoff games, I doubt he will ever reach that level of sentimental value for fans.

But I am biased, for my money he is just too blah.

There is one other option ... besides a SB ... that would completely alter my opinion of Cousins,

if he did this:

https://twitter.com/QuirkyResearch/status/1453343393493536768

Any particular player you would like to see Cousins bean in the helmet after a touchdown?

Mike Zimmer or Rick Spielman…

Yea, not players.. but ..

EPIC!

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I’ve never seen this footage before but I remember it well! Watch for #53. That’s Mick Tingelhoff, my center with the Vikings. Sometimes I’d start a fight, but Mick would always finish it!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/30/2021 9:28:53 AM

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

To be fair to Cousins, he has engineered 18 game winning drives over his career.

Which is far more than I realized. It puts him currently at #69 all time (for game winning drives). there are obviously a bazillion variables to that ...

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/gwd_career.htm

I haven't found current stats for game winning walk-off TDs ...

Someone called footballperspective.com has Cousins with 7 game winning TDs before 2020 ... did he throw any last season? I honestly can't remember. The NO playoff game and last weekend are the only 2 TDs I do remember ...

https://www.footballperspective.com/which-quarterback-has-thrown-the-most-game-winning-touchdowns-through-2019/

If no, he currently has 8 walk off TDs (incl CAR last weekend) which, again, is more than I have been giving him credit for.

.....

I dunno. Even watching him play really well this year ... it just feels like he is too risk-averse, too methodical ... taking what he can get over looking downfield for chunk plays.

Then again, 57-57-2 ... he gets way too much blame and credit ... but 57-57-2

There should be a stat "shoulda-been-game-winning-drive". I remember Daunte Culpepper leading us back for leads in the 4th quarter (sometimes multiple times anybody remember the Doug O'brien/Buffalo game?) many times, yet the defense would immediately piss the lead away. And Culpepper got the rep as a QB who couldn't rally a team.

Cousins has more game winning TDs than Two-minute Tommy but unless he does some damage in playoff games, I doubt he will ever reach that level of sentimental value for fans.

But I am biased, for my money he is just too blah.

There is one other option ... besides a SB ... that would completely alter my opinion of Cousins,

if he did this:

https://twitter.com/QuirkyResearch/status/1453343393493536768

Any particular player you would like to see Cousins bean in the helmet after a touchdown?

Mike Zimmer or Rick Spielman…

Yea, not players.. but ..

EPIC!

Francis Tarkenton@Fran_Tarkentonh
I’ve never seen this footage before but I remember it well! Watch for #53. That’s Mick Tingelhoff, my center with the Vikings. Sometimes I’d start a fight, but Mick would always finish it!

Didn't he throw a strike to the back of the head of Bubba Smith, too?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/30/2021 7:57:09 PM

Ricky J

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OMG!!!!

This is some seriously bad officiating. Hard to believe it's against GB ... The FG clearly has the spot marked correctly, what's the referee doing?

https://twitter.com/footballzebras/status/1454609245685571586?s=20

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/31/2021 10:47:55 PM

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Literally every stereotype played out tonight. Prime time kirt, zimmer after bye, zimmer vs teams with winning records, clock management, last two minutes of halves, and surprise back up nobody QBs eating our lunch while doing our girlfriends. Did I miss anything?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/31/2021 10:50:41 PM

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Literally every stereotype played out tonight. Prime time kirt, zimmer after bye, zimmer vs teams with winning records, clock management, last two minutes of halves, and surprise back up nobody QBs eating our lunch while doing our girlfriends. Did I miss anything?

Again…

Breeland being Dallas’ best offensive player in clutch time…

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/31/2021 11:12:33 PM

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Zimmer in all his brilliance chose not to put any competent assistant coaches on the team this year, that way there is no one to replace him when its obvious he needs to be fired. MASTERMIND...

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/31/2021 11:12:53 PM

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Any thoughts on Doug Pederson?

Innovative offensive mind and gambler.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/31/2021 11:14:25 PM

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Zimmer in all his brilliance chose not to put any competent assistant coaches on the team this year, that way there is no one to replace him when its obvious he needs to be fired. MASTERMIND...

Kubiak had his moments early on but everyone has him figured out now.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/31/2021 11:15:49 PM

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Literally every stereotype played out tonight. Prime time kirt, zimmer after bye, zimmer vs teams with winning records, clock management, last two minutes of halves, and surprise back up nobody QBs eating our lunch while doing our girlfriends. Did I miss anything?

Crowd seemed a little quiet tonight(not that they had a lot to cheer about). Too many cocktails?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/31/2021 11:19:53 PM

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Literally every stereotype played out tonight. Prime time kirt, zimmer after bye, zimmer vs teams with winning records, clock management, last two minutes of halves, and surprise back up nobody QBs eating our lunch while doing our girlfriends. Did I miss anything?

Crowd seemed a little quiet tonight(not that they had a lot to cheer about). Too many cocktails?

Zimmerball takes the crowd out of the game... another reason Zimmer and his 70s throwback insistence on no flash, no emotion, stoic old school mantra is LOSER BALL...

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/31/2021 11:25:48 PM

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Literally every stereotype played out tonight. Prime time kirt, zimmer after bye, zimmer vs teams with winning records, clock management, last two minutes of halves, and surprise back up nobody QBs eating our lunch while doing our girlfriends. Did I miss anything?

Crowd seemed a little quiet tonight(not that they had a lot to cheer about). Too many cocktails?

Zimmerball takes the crowd out of the game... another reason Zimmer and his 70s throwback insistence on no flash, no emotion, stoic old school mantra is LOSER BALL...

Good point.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/31/2021 11:33:02 PM

Richard Neussendorfer

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Trade Cook. He's about to go down the crapper fast with all the abuse. Get what you can.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/31/2021 11:53:59 PM

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Any thoughts on Doug Pederson?

Innovative offensive mind and gambler.

He’d be worth a look. Also Brian daboll.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/31/2021 11:55:32 PM

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Bashaud Breeland
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When they think u not dependable u show em u all they need!!!!!Big time players make big time plays in big time games!!!!!!

Guess he showed us all

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/31/2021 11:58:08 PM

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Bashaud Breeland
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When they think u not dependable u show em u all they need!!!!!Big time players make big time plays in big time games!!!!!!

Guess he showed us all

Right. Weren’t we supposed to just shut up and enjoy the win last time he effed up royally?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2021 12:11:35 AM

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They are going to get destroyed several times in the next few weeks.

Has to be Zimmers last season.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2021 12:12:10 AM

Richard Neussendorfer

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Bashaud Breeland
@Bree2Land6

When they think u not dependable u show em u all they need!!!!!Big time players make big time plays in big time games!!!!!!

Guess he showed us all

Right. Weren’t we supposed to just shut up and enjoy the win last time he effed up royally?

I believe he wanted to stick his Thang in everyone's mouth. What a great dude.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2021 12:19:19 AM

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Why Breeland still has a job, is one of the great mysteries.. right behind Zimmer..

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2021 12:22:43 AM

Richard Neussendorfer

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Why Breeland still has a job, is one of the great mysteries.. right behind Zimmer..

I feel like Zimmer has made this entire team unlikable. It rots from the head down. A good first step would be to get rid of Zim, Spielman and Breeland. Can't do those soon enough.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2021 12:26:44 AM

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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Bashaud Breeland
@Bree2Land6

When they think u not dependable u show em u all they need!!!!!Big time players make big time plays in big time games!!!!!!

Guess he showed us all

Right. Weren’t we supposed to just shut up and enjoy the win last time he effed up royally?

I believe he wanted to stick his Thang in everyone's mouth. What a great dude.

He seems like a giver...

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2021 12:35:24 AM

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The really sad part is, Zimmer was probably feeling pretty good about all this until his ace in the hole Barr missed the Elliott tackle on third down before the final TD throw to Cooper. In his mind, they’ll kick a FG then we’ll have final possession to win it or go to OT. Just like we drew it up before the game.

Meanwhile, all the fans … horrified by the performance on both sides of the ball … hate what is unfolding in front of them.

The difference in perception is a yawning chasm between Zimmer’s ignorance and disconnection on one side and the institutionalized let-down that fans have had to bare since the team first started.

Time to focus on the draft.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2021 12:53:31 AM

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The really sad part is, Zimmer was probably feeling pretty good about all this until his ace in the hole Barr missed the Elliott tackle on third down before the final TD throw to Cooper. In his mind, they’ll kick a FG then we’ll have final possession to win it or go to OT. Just like we drew it up before the game.

Meanwhile, all the fans … horrified by the performance on both sides of the ball … hate what is unfolding in front of them.

The difference in perception is a yawning chasm between Zimmer’s ignorance and disconnection on one side and the institutionalized let-down that fans have had to bare since the team first started.

Time to focus on the draft.

I would prefer a new GM before the draft.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2021 4:55:20 AM

Russell Timmons

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The really sad part is, Zimmer was probably feeling pretty good about all this until his ace in the hole Barr missed the Elliott tackle on third down before the final TD throw to Cooper. In his mind, they’ll kick a FG then we’ll have final possession to win it or go to OT. Just like we drew it up before the game.

Meanwhile, all the fans … horrified by the performance on both sides of the ball … hate what is unfolding in front of them.

The difference in perception is a yawning chasm between Zimmer’s ignorance and disconnection on one side and the institutionalized let-down that fans have had to bare since the team first started.

Time to focus on the draft.

I would have hated to be a paying fan at that game. Given Zimmer's penchant for bs spin notwithstanding, we all saw that disorganized mess he put on the field. I would want a refund if I had to witness that in person.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2021 7:59:48 AM

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I'm tired of watching the forced and labored efforts to get Jefferson the ball.

Doesn't look natural at all.

Eat the $. Let Cousins go.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2021 8:04:25 AM

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The really sad part is, Zimmer was probably feeling pretty good about all this until his ace in the hole Barr missed the Elliott tackle on third down before the final TD throw to Cooper. In his mind, they’ll kick a FG then we’ll have final possession to win it or go to OT. Just like we drew it up before the game.

Meanwhile, all the fans … horrified by the performance on both sides of the ball … hate what is unfolding in front of them.

The difference in perception is a yawning chasm between Zimmer’s ignorance and disconnection on one side and the institutionalized let-down that fans have had to bare since the team first started.

Time to focus on the draft.

I would prefer a new GM before the draft.

Yes obviously.

And all the rest.

I’m talking about jumping forward through time … AFTER whateve is going to happen, happens. They dont deserve my hand wringing or beating my head against a wall. Nor do I need to bother seeing the rest of implosion.

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