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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/7/2021 5:11:24 PM

Mark Anderson

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I don't even want to see Cousins paired with a good HC, would rather see what Mond, or a 1st round pick next year do.

Let some other unsuspecting team take Cousins next year. Maybe Denver, LA Rams, Indy, or Carolina wants to see what he can do for them.

We need to draft 2 QBs and sign a mid level guy along with Mond. Time to take QB position as serious as Denny did.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/7/2021 7:23:23 PM

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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I don't even want to see Cousins paired with a good HC, would rather see what Mond, or a 1st round pick next year do.

Let some other unsuspecting team take Cousins next year. Maybe Denver, LA Rams, Indy, or Carolina wants to see what he can do for them.

We need to draft 2 QBs and sign a mid level guy along with Mond. Time to take QB position as serious as Denny did.

What, high draft picks and/or huge FA contracts for Gannon, McMahon, Moon, late rounder Brad Johnson, Cunningham, George, and (the exception) Culpepper?

The OL, WRs, and post-injury Robert Smith defined Green.

< Message edited by Bill Johanesen -- 12/7/2021 7:32:30 PM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/7/2021 7:29:08 PM

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Even Bouman looked all world throwing to Randy Moss.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/7/2021 7:34:53 PM

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Even Bouman looked all world throwing to Randy Moss.

NFC offensive player of the week!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/7/2021 8:07:03 PM 2 votes

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Thus far Jefferson might be the closest thing any wr has been compared to Moss. how cousins can ignore him for half's of games is inescusable. This kid is a stud.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/7/2021 9:34:16 PM

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: marty

I don't even want to see Cousins paired with a good HC, would rather see what Mond, or a 1st round pick next year do.

Let some other unsuspecting team take Cousins next year. Maybe Denver, LA Rams, Indy, or Carolina wants to see what he can do for them.

We need to draft 2 QBs and sign a mid level guy along with Mond. Time to take QB position as serious as Denny did.

What, high draft picks and/or huge FA contracts for Gannon, McMahon, Moon, late rounder Brad Johnson, Cunningham, George, and (the exception) Culpepper?

The OL, WRs, and post-injury Robert Smith defined Green.

In my book, having a 1st team All Pro guy(RC), then drafting a guy #11 overall(DC) and signing ultra talented Jeff George seems like taking the position seriously.

The only time we have taken it as seriously(since then) was with TJack, Rosenfals and Favre.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/7/2021 9:40:48 PM

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Thus far Jefferson might be the closest thing any wr has been compared to Moss. how cousins can ignore him for half's of games is inescusable. This kid is a stud.

8 out of 12 games he has been targeted 9 or more times. 2 of the other games, 8 times.

Is that ignoring?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/7/2021 10:02:51 PM

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: marty

I don't even want to see Cousins paired with a good HC, would rather see what Mond, or a 1st round pick next year do.

Let some other unsuspecting team take Cousins next year. Maybe Denver, LA Rams, Indy, or Carolina wants to see what he can do for them.

We need to draft 2 QBs and sign a mid level guy along with Mond. Time to take QB position as serious as Denny did.

What, high draft picks and/or huge FA contracts for Gannon, McMahon, Moon, late rounder Brad Johnson, Cunningham, George, and (the exception) Culpepper?

The OL, WRs, and post-injury Robert Smith defined Green.

In my book, having a 1st team All Pro guy(RC), then drafting a guy #11 overall(DC) and signing ultra talented Jeff George seems like taking the position seriously.

The only time we have taken it as seriously(since then) was with TJack, Rosenfals and Favre.

Signing Cousins wasn't "taking it seriously"? Sam Bradford was easily on the level of many of those Denny moves.

We brought Randall Cunningham out of retirement. No one ever questioned Jeff George's talent, but no one wanted him. He had 1 winning season (9-7) in his 9 year career before we signed him. And as good as he was for us, we didn't even attempt to resign him.

Even drafting Ponder was "taking it seriously". He was the 12th overall pick (TJack was 64th). Heck, if TJack was a serious attempt, what is Mond (pick 66)?

You can take things very seriously and still make really bad decisions. That's basically most of the history of the Vikings regarding the QB position.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/7/2021 10:05:47 PM

David Levine

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The one thing Denny did that the guys following him didn't was admit he was wrong a lot faster.

Denny had 7 different QBs lead the team in passing in 9 years. The drafting of Culpepper was the first time Denny didn't have a stop-gap guy in the position.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/7/2021 10:22:14 PM

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: marty

I don't even want to see Cousins paired with a good HC, would rather see what Mond, or a 1st round pick next year do.

Let some other unsuspecting team take Cousins next year. Maybe Denver, LA Rams, Indy, or Carolina wants to see what he can do for them.

We need to draft 2 QBs and sign a mid level guy along with Mond. Time to take QB position as serious as Denny did.

What, high draft picks and/or huge FA contracts for Gannon, McMahon, Moon, late rounder Brad Johnson, Cunningham, George, and (the exception) Culpepper?

The OL, WRs, and post-injury Robert Smith defined Green.

In my book, having a 1st team All Pro guy(RC), then drafting a guy #11 overall(DC) and signing ultra talented Jeff George seems like taking the position seriously.

The only time we have taken it as seriously(since then) was with TJack, Rosenfals and Favre.

Signing Cousins wasn't "taking it seriously"? Sam Bradford was easily on the level of many of those Denny moves.

We brought Randall Cunningham out of retirement. No one ever questioned Jeff George's talent, but no one wanted him. He had 1 winning season (9-7) in his 9 year career before we signed him. And as good as he was for us, we didn't even attempt to resign him.

Even drafting Ponder was "taking it seriously". He was the 12th overall pick (TJack was 64th). Heck, if TJack was a serious attempt, what is Mond (pick 66)?

You can take things very seriously and still make really bad decisions. That's basically most of the history of the Vikings regarding the QB position.

My original post is about having competition and not putting all your eggs into one basket(Cousins, Ponder).

Denny had competent backups who sometimes were just as good as the starter.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/8/2021 1:22:20 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: marty

I don't even want to see Cousins paired with a good HC, would rather see what Mond, or a 1st round pick next year do.

Let some other unsuspecting team take Cousins next year. Maybe Denver, LA Rams, Indy, or Carolina wants to see what he can do for them.

We need to draft 2 QBs and sign a mid level guy along with Mond. Time to take QB position as serious as Denny did.

What, high draft picks and/or huge FA contracts for Gannon, McMahon, Moon, late rounder Brad Johnson, Cunningham, George, and (the exception) Culpepper?

The OL, WRs, and post-injury Robert Smith defined Green.

In my book, having a 1st team All Pro guy(RC), then drafting a guy #11 overall(DC) and signing ultra talented Jeff George seems like taking the position seriously.

The only time we have taken it as seriously(since then) was with TJack, Rosenfals and Favre.

Denny tried talking Marino out of retirement too...

Denny's talent was being able to make just about any QB look good... he certainly had faults but his passing game was almost always effective.

(but if the other team had the ball last... his defenses weren't going to stop anything)

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/8/2021 10:11:42 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: marty

I don't even want to see Cousins paired with a good HC, would rather see what Mond, or a 1st round pick next year do.

Let some other unsuspecting team take Cousins next year. Maybe Denver, LA Rams, Indy, or Carolina wants to see what he can do for them.

We need to draft 2 QBs and sign a mid level guy along with Mond. Time to take QB position as serious as Denny did.

What, high draft picks and/or huge FA contracts for Gannon, McMahon, Moon, late rounder Brad Johnson, Cunningham, George, and (the exception) Culpepper?

The OL, WRs, and post-injury Robert Smith defined Green.

In my book, having a 1st team All Pro guy(RC), then drafting a guy #11 overall(DC) and signing ultra talented Jeff George seems like taking the position seriously.

The only time we have taken it as seriously(since then) was with TJack, Rosenfals and Favre.

Denny tried talking Marino out of retirement too...

Denny's talent was being able to make just about any QB look good... he certainly had faults but his passing game was almost always effective.

(but if the other team had the ball last... his defenses weren't going to stop anything)

When your offensive line was as good as it was, and you had two Hall of Famers at WR, of course the passing game was almost always effective.

Any QB would look good under those circumstances. Cunningham and Johnson proved that.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/8/2021 10:45:22 AM

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Cunningham was an MVP in Philly with arguably the worst OL in the league.

Johnson won the SB playing with a pretty mediocre OL in Tampa, but a pair of good RBs and a great defense.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/8/2021 11:16:26 AM

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Cunningham was an MVP in Philly with arguably the worst OL in the league.

7 years before we plucked him out of retirement. He was a very different QB with us than with Philly.

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Johnson won the SB playing with a pretty mediocre OL in Tampa, but a pair of good RBs and a great defense.

Bill Callahan should've been the MVP of that Tampa SB...

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/8/2021 11:28:09 AM

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Cunningham was an MVP in Philly with arguably the worst OL in the league.

7 years before we plucked him out of retirement. He was a very different QB with us than with Philly.

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Johnson won the SB playing with a pretty mediocre OL in Tampa, but a pair of good RBs and a great defense.

Bill Callahan should've been the MVP of that Tampa SB...

Gannon vrs. Johnson

More Denny QBs.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/8/2021 12:04:34 PM

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: marty

Cunningham was an MVP in Philly with arguably the worst OL in the league.

7 years before we plucked him out of retirement. He was a very different QB with us than with Philly.

quote:

Johnson won the SB playing with a pretty mediocre OL in Tampa, but a pair of good RBs and a great defense.

Bill Callahan should've been the MVP of that Tampa SB...

Gannon vrs. Johnson

More Denny QBs.

Nobody burned through QBs like Denny.

I wonder if Gannon would've become good if he had stayed in Minny? Although I can't see putting up with 6 more years to find out...

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/8/2021 12:48:56 PM

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Cunningham was an MVP in Philly with arguably the worst OL in the league.

7 years before we plucked him out of retirement. He was a very different QB with us than with Philly.

And after just one year of awesome with us. He turned to shit. So bad they benched him and Jeff George took over.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/8/2021 1:52:28 PM

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Here's a fun fact I just looked up. In our five wins this year, Justin Jefferson had an average target share of 28.8%. In our seven losses, he had an average target share of 22.86%. Included in that share during the losses is a 34% share last Sunday at Detroit - where Thielen got injured on his first catch. Ignoring the game where Thielen went out early, the target share percentage for Jefferson in our losses is 21%.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/8/2021 2:00:31 PM

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In the game where the great Cooper Rush came to down and defeated our beloved Vikings Jefferson was targeted as follows:

1st Quarter: complete for 3 yards, incomplete but defensive PI for 14 yards, incomplete
2nd Quarter: NO TARGETS
3rd Quarter: incomplete but illegal contact for 5 yards, catch for 18 yards
4th Quarter: incomplete

7 targets. 1 target total in the 2nd and 4th quarters. We lost by 4.

Frowny face emoji

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/8/2021 2:13:20 PM

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And the following week when we lost in OT at Baltimore (yours truly witnessed the game fist hand):

1st Quarter: completion for 3 yards, 50 yard TD!!!, completion for 7 yards.
2nd Quarter: incomplete
3rd Quarter: NO TARGETS
4th Quarter: incomplete, completion for 12 yards
OT: NO TARGETS

So basically Jefferson goes scorched earth on the Ravens who are clearly overlooking the lowly Vikings in the first quarter and so we capitalize on that by targeting him three more times the entire game.

Frowny face emoji with a tear.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/8/2021 3:15:55 PM

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And the following week when we lost in OT at Baltimore (yours truly witnessed the game fist hand):

1st Quarter: completion for 3 yards, 50 yard TD!!!, completion for 7 yards.
2nd Quarter: incomplete
3rd Quarter: NO TARGETS
4th Quarter: incomplete, completion for 12 yards
OT: NO TARGETS

So basically Jefferson goes scorched earth on the Ravens who are clearly overlooking the lowly Vikings in the first quarter and so we capitalize on that by targeting him three more times the entire game.

Frowny face emoji with a tear.

And a fist hand.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/8/2021 4:19:04 PM

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Thus far Jefferson might be the closest thing any wr has been compared to Moss. how cousins can ignore him for half's of games is inescusable. This kid is a stud.

He's as good as most anyone in the league. Tremendous pick that has provided tremendous results. Many Viking and NFL & WR records are in jeopardy.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/9/2021 7:32:52 AM

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: marty

I don't even want to see Cousins paired with a good HC, would rather see what Mond, or a 1st round pick next year do.

Let some other unsuspecting team take Cousins next year. Maybe Denver, LA Rams, Indy, or Carolina wants to see what he can do for them.

We need to draft 2 QBs and sign a mid level guy along with Mond. Time to take QB position as serious as Denny did.

What, high draft picks and/or huge FA contracts for Gannon, McMahon, Moon, late rounder Brad Johnson, Cunningham, George, and (the exception) Culpepper?

The OL, WRs, and post-injury Robert Smith defined Green.

In my book, having a 1st team All Pro guy(RC), then drafting a guy #11 overall(DC) and signing ultra talented Jeff George seems like taking the position seriously.

The only time we have taken it as seriously(since then) was with TJack, Rosenfals and Favre.

Signing Cousins wasn't "taking it seriously"? Sam Bradford was easily on the level of many of those Denny moves.

We brought Randall Cunningham out of retirement. No one ever questioned Jeff George's talent, but no one wanted him. He had 1 winning season (9-7) in his 9 year career before we signed him. And as good as he was for us, we didn't even attempt to resign him.

Even drafting Ponder was "taking it seriously". He was the 12th overall pick (TJack was 64th). Heck, if TJack was a serious attempt, what is Mond (pick 66)?

You can take things very seriously and still make really bad decisions. That's basically most of the history of the Vikings regarding the QB position.

And didn't we take two players before Rogers was picked?

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/rbui9b/what_is_worst_single_draft_by_one_team

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/9/2021 10:36:38 AM

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: marty

I don't even want to see Cousins paired with a good HC, would rather see what Mond, or a 1st round pick next year do.

Let some other unsuspecting team take Cousins next year. Maybe Denver, LA Rams, Indy, or Carolina wants to see what he can do for them.

We need to draft 2 QBs and sign a mid level guy along with Mond. Time to take QB position as serious as Denny did.

What, high draft picks and/or huge FA contracts for Gannon, McMahon, Moon, late rounder Brad Johnson, Cunningham, George, and (the exception) Culpepper?

The OL, WRs, and post-injury Robert Smith defined Green.

In my book, having a 1st team All Pro guy(RC), then drafting a guy #11 overall(DC) and signing ultra talented Jeff George seems like taking the position seriously.

The only time we have taken it as seriously(since then) was with TJack, Rosenfals and Favre.

Signing Cousins wasn't "taking it seriously"? Sam Bradford was easily on the level of many of those Denny moves.

We brought Randall Cunningham out of retirement. No one ever questioned Jeff George's talent, but no one wanted him. He had 1 winning season (9-7) in his 9 year career before we signed him. And as good as he was for us, we didn't even attempt to resign him.

Even drafting Ponder was "taking it seriously". He was the 12th overall pick (TJack was 64th). Heck, if TJack was a serious attempt, what is Mond (pick 66)?

You can take things very seriously and still make really bad decisions. That's basically most of the history of the Vikings regarding the QB position.

And didn't we take two players before Rogers was picked?

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/rbui9b/what_is_worst_single_draft_by_one_team

Yes. Superstars Troy Williamson and Erasmus James.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/9/2021 11:15:44 AM

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