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I posed the question last night and I pose it again. Should/could we trade our #1 pick for Justin Tucker?

the KICKER?

**** NO

Honestly, I'm not sure Baltimore would do it.

If you are patient with the young kicker you can draft one with a 6-7th round pick.

I wouldn't waste a 1st rounder on one. So why would i give one up in trade for one? and yes the Ravens would do it. A First round pick for a Kicker? They'd do it in a heartbeat.

The guy is a cold-blooded assassin. We'd have three more wins right now with Tucker. Name me another guy in the league (not playing quarterback) that wins you three games.

Greg Joseph has missed extra points in each of the past three games. Justin Tucker has missed four in his entire 10-year career.

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I posed the question last night and I pose it again. Should/could we trade our #1 pick for Justin Tucker?

the KICKER?

**** NO

Honestly, I'm not sure Baltimore would do it.

Having been to the game in Baltimore this year I can say (not that it's a secret) that they LOVE LOVE LOVE Justin Tucker there. The crowd cheers when he runs ON TO the field. They wouldn't trade him for a first rounder unless it was top ten.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

I posed the question last night and I pose it again. Should/could we trade our #1 pick for Justin Tucker?

the KICKER?

**** NO

Honestly, I'm not sure Baltimore would do it.

If you are patient with the young kicker you can draft one with a 6-7th round pick.

I wouldn't waste a 1st rounder on one. So why would i give one up in trade for one? and yes the Ravens would do it. A First round pick for a Kicker? They'd do it in a heartbeat.

The guy is a cold-blooded assassin. We'd have three more wins right now with Tucker. Name me another guy in the league (not playing quarterback) that wins you three games.

Greg Joseph has missed extra points in each of the past three games. Justin Tucker has missed four in his entire 10-year career.

It's as simple as this.

HE IS A KICKER.

HE IS NOT WORTH A FIRST ROUND PICK.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

I posed the question last night and I pose it again. Should/could we trade our #1 pick for Justin Tucker?

the KICKER?

**** NO

Honestly, I'm not sure Baltimore would do it.

If you are patient with the young kicker you can draft one with a 6-7th round pick.

I wouldn't waste a 1st rounder on one. So why would i give one up in trade for one? and yes the Ravens would do it. A First round pick for a Kicker? They'd do it in a heartbeat.

The guy is a cold-blooded assassin. We'd have three more wins right now with Tucker. Name me another guy in the league (not playing quarterback) that wins you three games.

Greg Joseph has missed extra points in each of the past three games. Justin Tucker has missed four in his entire 10-year career.

It's as simple as this.

HE IS A KICKER.

HE IS NOT WORTH A FIRST ROUND PICK.

Again, I pose the question. Name me a few guys (not playing quarterback) that win you three games a year?

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

I posed the question last night and I pose it again. Should/could we trade our #1 pick for Justin Tucker?

the KICKER?

**** NO

Honestly, I'm not sure Baltimore would do it.

If you are patient with the young kicker you can draft one with a 6-7th round pick.

I wouldn't waste a 1st rounder on one. So why would i give one up in trade for one? and yes the Ravens would do it. A First round pick for a Kicker? They'd do it in a heartbeat.

The guy is a cold-blooded assassin. We'd have three more wins right now with Tucker. Name me another guy in the league (not playing quarterback) that wins you three games.

Greg Joseph has missed extra points in each of the past three games. Justin Tucker has missed four in his entire 10-year career.

It's as simple as this.

HE IS A KICKER.

HE IS NOT WORTH A FIRST ROUND PICK.

Again, I pose the question. Name me a few guys (not playing quarterback) that win you three games a year?

With better coaching we have five more wins.

Counting kickoffs the kicker is involved in how many plays a game on average? 8 to 10 ?. I don't care how good he is. if you can't get into FG range he's useless. if your defense can't keep the game within 3 points the kicker isn't going to win you the game. Kickers are not worth a first round pick. Ever.

I was pissed we lost a fifth rounder for that Kaare Vedvik or whatever waste of oxygen.

I think we need a better kicker, but giving up a first round pick for one would be a massive overreaction. A better kicker can be had for far less. and the first round pick can be used on a much more talented player that might see say 40-60 plays a game. Would you trade Justin Jefferson for Justin Tucker?

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

I posed the question last night and I pose it again. Should/could we trade our #1 pick for Justin Tucker?

the KICKER?

**** NO

Honestly, I'm not sure Baltimore would do it.

If you are patient with the young kicker you can draft one with a 6-7th round pick.

I wouldn't waste a 1st rounder on one. So why would i give one up in trade for one? and yes the Ravens would do it. A First round pick for a Kicker? They'd do it in a heartbeat.

The guy is a cold-blooded assassin. We'd have three more wins right now with Tucker. Name me another guy in the league (not playing quarterback) that wins you three games.

Greg Joseph has missed extra points in each of the past three games. Justin Tucker has missed four in his entire 10-year career.

It's as simple as this.

HE IS A KICKER.

HE IS NOT WORTH A FIRST ROUND PICK.

Again, I pose the question. Name me a few guys (not playing quarterback) that win you three games a year?

With better coaching we have five more wins.

Counting kickoffs the kicker is involved in how many plays a game on average? 8 to 10 ?. I don't care how good he is. if you can't get into FG range he's useless. if your defense can't keep the game within 3 points the kicker isn't going to win you the game. Kickers are not worth a first round pick. Ever.

I was pissed we lost a fifth rounder for that Kaare Vedvik or whatever waste of oxygen.

I think we need a better kicker, but giving up a first round pick for one would be a massive overreaction. A better kicker can be had for far less. and the first round pick can be used on a much more talented player that might see say 40-60 plays a game. Would you trade Justin Jefferson for Justin Tucker?

So you are using Justin Jefferson as your example? Is that a guy you think wins you three games a year? Honest question. A simple yes or no will do.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

I posed the question last night and I pose it again. Should/could we trade our #1 pick for Justin Tucker?

the KICKER?

**** NO

Honestly, I'm not sure Baltimore would do it.

If you are patient with the young kicker you can draft one with a 6-7th round pick.

I wouldn't waste a 1st rounder on one. So why would i give one up in trade for one? and yes the Ravens would do it. A First round pick for a Kicker? They'd do it in a heartbeat.

The guy is a cold-blooded assassin. We'd have three more wins right now with Tucker. Name me another guy in the league (not playing quarterback) that wins you three games.

Greg Joseph has missed extra points in each of the past three games. Justin Tucker has missed four in his entire 10-year career.

It's as simple as this.

HE IS A KICKER.

HE IS NOT WORTH A FIRST ROUND PICK.

Again, I pose the question. Name me a few guys (not playing quarterback) that win you three games a year?

With better coaching we have five more wins.

Counting kickoffs the kicker is involved in how many plays a game on average? 8 to 10 ?. I don't care how good he is. if you can't get into FG range he's useless. if your defense can't keep the game within 3 points the kicker isn't going to win you the game. Kickers are not worth a first round pick. Ever.

I was pissed we lost a fifth rounder for that Kaare Vedvik or whatever waste of oxygen.

I think we need a better kicker, but giving up a first round pick for one would be a massive overreaction. A better kicker can be had for far less. and the first round pick can be used on a much more talented player that might see say 40-60 plays a game. Would you trade Justin Jefferson for Justin Tucker?

So you are using Justin Jefferson as your example? Is that a guy you think wins you three games a year? Honest question. A simple yes or no will do.

You clearly think this can be answered with a yes or no question?

NO.

I would not ever trade a first rounder for Justin Tucker. I have already made this pretty clear.

I don't care how many more wins you would theorize we could have. It would be a waste of resources to blow a first round pick on a kicker. The only time I've ever seen a team do this that team won exactly 0 championships. and do you think they actually made it to any of their success solely on the leg of a kicker? No they didn't and you know it.

Enough of the ridiculous proposition. It is never going to happen.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

I posed the question last night and I pose it again. Should/could we trade our #1 pick for Justin Tucker?

the KICKER?

**** NO

Honestly, I'm not sure Baltimore would do it.

If you are patient with the young kicker you can draft one with a 6-7th round pick.

I wouldn't waste a 1st rounder on one. So why would i give one up in trade for one? and yes the Ravens would do it. A First round pick for a Kicker? They'd do it in a heartbeat.

The guy is a cold-blooded assassin. We'd have three more wins right now with Tucker. Name me another guy in the league (not playing quarterback) that wins you three games.

Greg Joseph has missed extra points in each of the past three games. Justin Tucker has missed four in his entire 10-year career.

It's as simple as this.

HE IS A KICKER.

HE IS NOT WORTH A FIRST ROUND PICK.

Again, I pose the question. Name me a few guys (not playing quarterback) that win you three games a year?

With better coaching we have five more wins.

Counting kickoffs the kicker is involved in how many plays a game on average? 8 to 10 ?. I don't care how good he is. if you can't get into FG range he's useless. if your defense can't keep the game within 3 points the kicker isn't going to win you the game. Kickers are not worth a first round pick. Ever.

I was pissed we lost a fifth rounder for that Kaare Vedvik or whatever waste of oxygen.

I think we need a better kicker, but giving up a first round pick for one would be a massive overreaction. A better kicker can be had for far less. and the first round pick can be used on a much more talented player that might see say 40-60 plays a game. Would you trade Justin Jefferson for Justin Tucker?

So you are using Justin Jefferson as your example? Is that a guy you think wins you three games a year? Honest question. A simple yes or no will do.

You clearly think this can be answered with a yes or no question?

NO.

I would not ever trade a first rounder for Justin Tucker. I have already made this pretty clear.

I don't care how many more wins you would theorize we could have. It would be a waste of resources to blow a first round pick on a kicker. The only time I've ever seen a team do this that team won exactly 0 championships. and do you think they actually made it to any of their success solely on the leg of a kicker? No they didn't and you know it.

Enough of the ridiculous proposition. It is never going to happen.

For what it's worth, I would agree that Justin Jefferson wins a team three games a year. Where was Justin Jefferson drafted?

CASE CLOSED!

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

I posed the question last night and I pose it again. Should/could we trade our #1 pick for Justin Tucker?

the KICKER?

**** NO

Honestly, I'm not sure Baltimore would do it.

If you are patient with the young kicker you can draft one with a 6-7th round pick.

I wouldn't waste a 1st rounder on one. So why would i give one up in trade for one? and yes the Ravens would do it. A First round pick for a Kicker? They'd do it in a heartbeat.

The guy is a cold-blooded assassin. We'd have three more wins right now with Tucker. Name me another guy in the league (not playing quarterback) that wins you three games.

Greg Joseph has missed extra points in each of the past three games. Justin Tucker has missed four in his entire 10-year career.

It's as simple as this.

HE IS A KICKER.

HE IS NOT WORTH A FIRST ROUND PICK.

Again, I pose the question. Name me a few guys (not playing quarterback) that win you three games a year?

With better coaching we have five more wins.

Counting kickoffs the kicker is involved in how many plays a game on average? 8 to 10 ?. I don't care how good he is. if you can't get into FG range he's useless. if your defense can't keep the game within 3 points the kicker isn't going to win you the game. Kickers are not worth a first round pick. Ever.

I was pissed we lost a fifth rounder for that Kaare Vedvik or whatever waste of oxygen.

I think we need a better kicker, but giving up a first round pick for one would be a massive overreaction. A better kicker can be had for far less. and the first round pick can be used on a much more talented player that might see say 40-60 plays a game. Would you trade Justin Jefferson for Justin Tucker?

So you are using Justin Jefferson as your example? Is that a guy you think wins you three games a year? Honest question. A simple yes or no will do.

You clearly think this can be answered with a yes or no question?

NO.

I would not ever trade a first rounder for Justin Tucker. I have already made this pretty clear.

I don't care how many more wins you would theorize we could have. It would be a waste of resources to blow a first round pick on a kicker. The only time I've ever seen a team do this that team won exactly 0 championships. and do you think they actually made it to any of their success solely on the leg of a kicker? No they didn't and you know it.

Enough of the ridiculous proposition. It is never going to happen.

For what it's worth, I would agree that Justin Jefferson wins a team three games a year. Where was Justin Jefferson drafted?

CASE CLOSED!

For what it's worth. Justin Jefferson is exponentially more valuable than Justin Tucker.

It still comes down to would you give up a first round pick for a kicker? Any kicker? I wouldn't.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

I posed the question last night and I pose it again. Should/could we trade our #1 pick for Justin Tucker?

the KICKER?

**** NO

Honestly, I'm not sure Baltimore would do it.

If you are patient with the young kicker you can draft one with a 6-7th round pick.

I wouldn't waste a 1st rounder on one. So why would i give one up in trade for one? and yes the Ravens would do it. A First round pick for a Kicker? They'd do it in a heartbeat.

The guy is a cold-blooded assassin. We'd have three more wins right now with Tucker. Name me another guy in the league (not playing quarterback) that wins you three games.

Greg Joseph has missed extra points in each of the past three games. Justin Tucker has missed four in his entire 10-year career.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

I posed the question last night and I pose it again. Should/could we trade our #1 pick for Justin Tucker?

the KICKER?

**** NO

Honestly, I'm not sure Baltimore would do it.

If you are patient with the young kicker you can draft one with a 6-7th round pick.

I wouldn't waste a 1st rounder on one. So why would i give one up in trade for one? and yes the Ravens would do it. A First round pick for a Kicker? They'd do it in a heartbeat.

The guy is a cold-blooded assassin. We'd have three more wins right now with Tucker. Name me another guy in the league (not playing quarterback) that wins you three games.

Greg Joseph has missed extra points in each of the past three games. Justin Tucker has missed four in his entire 10-year career.

It's as simple as this.

HE IS A KICKER.

HE IS NOT WORTH A FIRST ROUND PICK.

Again, I pose the question. Name me a few guys (not playing quarterback) that win you three games a year?

With better coaching we have five more wins.

Counting kickoffs the kicker is involved in how many plays a game on average? 8 to 10 ?. I don't care how good he is. if you can't get into FG range he's useless. if your defense can't keep the game within 3 points the kicker isn't going to win you the game. Kickers are not worth a first round pick. Ever.

I was pissed we lost a fifth rounder for that Kaare Vedvik or whatever waste of oxygen.

I think we need a better kicker, but giving up a first round pick for one would be a massive overreaction. A better kicker can be had for far less. and the first round pick can be used on a much more talented player that might see say 40-60 plays a game. Would you trade Justin Jefferson for Justin Tucker?

So you are using Justin Jefferson as your example? Is that a guy you think wins you three games a year? Honest question. A simple yes or no will do.

You clearly think this can be answered with a yes or no question?

NO.

I would not ever trade a first rounder for Justin Tucker. I have already made this pretty clear.

I don't care how many more wins you would theorize we could have. It would be a waste of resources to blow a first round pick on a kicker. The only time I've ever seen a team do this that team won exactly 0 championships. and do you think they actually made it to any of their success solely on the leg of a kicker? No they didn't and you know it.

Enough of the ridiculous proposition. It is never going to happen.

For what it's worth, I would agree that Justin Jefferson wins a team three games a year. Where was Justin Jefferson drafted?

CASE CLOSED!

For what it's worth. Justin Jefferson is exponentially more valuable than Justin Tucker.

It still comes down to would you give up a first round pick for a kicker? Any kicker? I wouldn't.

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I posed the question last night and I pose it again. Should/could we trade our #1 pick for Justin Tucker?

the KICKER?

**** NO

Honestly, I'm not sure Baltimore would do it.

If you are patient with the young kicker you can draft one with a 6-7th round pick.

I wouldn't waste a 1st rounder on one. So why would i give one up in trade for one? and yes the Ravens would do it. A First round pick for a Kicker? They'd do it in a heartbeat.

The guy is a cold-blooded assassin. We'd have three more wins right now with Tucker. Name me another guy in the league (not playing quarterback) that wins you three games.

Greg Joseph has missed extra points in each of the past three games. Justin Tucker has missed four in his entire 10-year career.

Zim would screw him up within 3 weeks.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

I posed the question last night and I pose it again. Should/could we trade our #1 pick for Justin Tucker?

the KICKER?

**** NO

Honestly, I'm not sure Baltimore would do it.

If you are patient with the young kicker you can draft one with a 6-7th round pick.

I wouldn't waste a 1st rounder on one. So why would i give one up in trade for one? and yes the Ravens would do it. A First round pick for a Kicker? They'd do it in a heartbeat.

The guy is a cold-blooded assassin. We'd have three more wins right now with Tucker. Name me another guy in the league (not playing quarterback) that wins you three games.

Greg Joseph has missed extra points in each of the past three games. Justin Tucker has missed four in his entire 10-year career.

It's as simple as this.

HE IS A KICKER.

HE IS NOT WORTH A FIRST ROUND PICK.

Again, I pose the question. Name me a few guys (not playing quarterback) that win you three games a year?

With better coaching we have five more wins.

Counting kickoffs the kicker is involved in how many plays a game on average? 8 to 10 ?. I don't care how good he is. if you can't get into FG range he's useless. if your defense can't keep the game within 3 points the kicker isn't going to win you the game. Kickers are not worth a first round pick. Ever.

I was pissed we lost a fifth rounder for that Kaare Vedvik or whatever waste of oxygen.

I think we need a better kicker, but giving up a first round pick for one would be a massive overreaction. A better kicker can be had for far less. and the first round pick can be used on a much more talented player that might see say 40-60 plays a game. Would you trade Justin Jefferson for Justin Tucker?

So you are using Justin Jefferson as your example? Is that a guy you think wins you three games a year? Honest question. A simple yes or no will do.

You clearly think this can be answered with a yes or no question?

NO.

I would not ever trade a first rounder for Justin Tucker. I have already made this pretty clear.

I don't care how many more wins you would theorize we could have. It would be a waste of resources to blow a first round pick on a kicker. The only time I've ever seen a team do this that team won exactly 0 championships. and do you think they actually made it to any of their success solely on the leg of a kicker? No they didn't and you know it.

Enough of the ridiculous proposition. It is never going to happen.

For what it's worth, I would agree that Justin Jefferson wins a team three games a year. Where was Justin Jefferson drafted?

CASE CLOSED!

For what it's worth. Justin Jefferson is exponentially more valuable than Justin Tucker.

It still comes down to would you give up a first round pick for a kicker? Any kicker? I wouldn't.

Can't we have Justin Jefferson AND Justin Tucker? Do we have to have just one?

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

I posed the question last night and I pose it again. Should/could we trade our #1 pick for Justin Tucker?

the KICKER?

**** NO

Honestly, I'm not sure Baltimore would do it.

If you are patient with the young kicker you can draft one with a 6-7th round pick.

I wouldn't waste a 1st rounder on one. So why would i give one up in trade for one? and yes the Ravens would do it. A First round pick for a Kicker? They'd do it in a heartbeat.

The guy is a cold-blooded assassin. We'd have three more wins right now with Tucker. Name me another guy in the league (not playing quarterback) that wins you three games.

Greg Joseph has missed extra points in each of the past three games. Justin Tucker has missed four in his entire 10-year career.

It's as simple as this.

HE IS A KICKER.

HE IS NOT WORTH A FIRST ROUND PICK.

Again, I pose the question. Name me a few guys (not playing quarterback) that win you three games a year?

With better coaching we have five more wins.

Counting kickoffs the kicker is involved in how many plays a game on average? 8 to 10 ?. I don't care how good he is. if you can't get into FG range he's useless. if your defense can't keep the game within 3 points the kicker isn't going to win you the game. Kickers are not worth a first round pick. Ever.

I was pissed we lost a fifth rounder for that Kaare Vedvik or whatever waste of oxygen.

I think we need a better kicker, but giving up a first round pick for one would be a massive overreaction. A better kicker can be had for far less. and the first round pick can be used on a much more talented player that might see say 40-60 plays a game. Would you trade Justin Jefferson for Justin Tucker?

So you are using Justin Jefferson as your example? Is that a guy you think wins you three games a year? Honest question. A simple yes or no will do.

You clearly think this can be answered with a yes or no question?

NO.

I would not ever trade a first rounder for Justin Tucker. I have already made this pretty clear.

I don't care how many more wins you would theorize we could have. It would be a waste of resources to blow a first round pick on a kicker. The only time I've ever seen a team do this that team won exactly 0 championships. and do you think they actually made it to any of their success solely on the leg of a kicker? No they didn't and you know it.

Enough of the ridiculous proposition. It is never going to happen.

For what it's worth, I would agree that Justin Jefferson wins a team three games a year. Where was Justin Jefferson drafted?

CASE CLOSED!

For what it's worth. Justin Jefferson is exponentially more valuable than Justin Tucker.

It still comes down to would you give up a first round pick for a kicker? Any kicker? I wouldn't.

Can't we have Justin Jefferson AND Justin Tucker? Do we have to have just one?

Offer a first round pick and see what they say. I'm gonna tell you right now, the answer could be no from the Ravens.

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I posed the question last night and I pose it again. Should/could we trade our #1 pick for Justin Tucker?

the KICKER?

**** NO

Honestly, I'm not sure Baltimore would do it.

If you are patient with the young kicker you can draft one with a 6-7th round pick.

I wouldn't waste a 1st rounder on one. So why would i give one up in trade for one? and yes the Ravens would do it. A First round pick for a Kicker? They'd do it in a heartbeat.

The guy is a cold-blooded assassin. We'd have three more wins right now with Tucker. Name me another guy in the league (not playing quarterback) that wins you three games.

Greg Joseph has missed extra points in each of the past three games. Justin Tucker has missed four in his entire 10-year career.

It's as simple as this.

HE IS A KICKER.

HE IS NOT WORTH A FIRST ROUND PICK.

Again, I pose the question. Name me a few guys (not playing quarterback) that win you three games a year?

With better coaching we have five more wins.

Counting kickoffs the kicker is involved in how many plays a game on average? 8 to 10 ?. I don't care how good he is. if you can't get into FG range he's useless. if your defense can't keep the game within 3 points the kicker isn't going to win you the game. Kickers are not worth a first round pick. Ever.

I was pissed we lost a fifth rounder for that Kaare Vedvik or whatever waste of oxygen.

I think we need a better kicker, but giving up a first round pick for one would be a massive overreaction. A better kicker can be had for far less. and the first round pick can be used on a much more talented player that might see say 40-60 plays a game. Would you trade Justin Jefferson for Justin Tucker?

So you are using Justin Jefferson as your example? Is that a guy you think wins you three games a year? Honest question. A simple yes or no will do.

You clearly think this can be answered with a yes or no question?

NO.

I would not ever trade a first rounder for Justin Tucker. I have already made this pretty clear.

I don't care how many more wins you would theorize we could have. It would be a waste of resources to blow a first round pick on a kicker. The only time I've ever seen a team do this that team won exactly 0 championships. and do you think they actually made it to any of their success solely on the leg of a kicker? No they didn't and you know it.

Enough of the ridiculous proposition. It is never going to happen.

For what it's worth, I would agree that Justin Jefferson wins a team three games a year. Where was Justin Jefferson drafted?

CASE CLOSED!

For what it's worth. Justin Jefferson is exponentially more valuable than Justin Tucker.

It still comes down to would you give up a first round pick for a kicker? Any kicker? I wouldn't.

Can't we have Justin Jefferson AND Justin Tucker? Do we have to have just one?

Offer a first round pick and see what they say. I'm gonna tell you right now, the answer could be no from the Ravens.

It doesn't matter to me what you think their answer might be. I would never offer a first round pick.

THEY JUST MIGHT TAKE IT. and then you would be out a first round pick....for a kicker.

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Ok. so It's clear

Brad H would blow a first round pick for a Kicker.

Trekgeekscott would NOT.

Anyone else want to chime in?

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Ok. so It's clear

Brad H would blow a first round pick for a Kicker.

Trekgeekscott would NOT.

Anyone else want to chime in?

Not any kicker. Justin Tucker.

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But if we traded away a first round pick what would we do without LaQuon Treadwell, Jeff Gladney, Garret Bradbury, Mike Hughes, Trae Waynes, Teddy Bridgewater, Anthony Barr, Sharrif Floyd, Xavier Rhodes, Cordarrelle Patterson, Matt Kalil, or Christian Ponder? Granted in that span we also got Harrison Smith and Justin Jefferson. Even so, two gems, three adequates, and nine turds of of a possible 14 choices lends me to say go ahead and waste a #1 on the best kicker in the game. Granted, as has been said already, Zimmer will just ruin him anyway so what difference does it make?

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But if we traded away a first round pick what would we do without LaQuon Treadwell, Jeff Gladney, Garret Bradbury, Mike Hughes, Trae Waynes, Teddy Bridgewater, Anthony Barr, Sharrif Floyd, Xavier Rhodes, Cordarrelle Patterson, Matt Kalil, or Christian Ponder? Granted in that span we also got Harrison Smith and Justin Jefferson. Even so, two gems, three adequates, and nine turds of of a possible 14 choices lends me to say go ahead and waste a #1 on the best kicker in the game. Granted, as has been said already, Zimmer will just ruin him anyway so what difference does it make?

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But if we traded away a first round pick what would we do without LaQuon Treadwell, Jeff Gladney, Garret Bradbury, Mike Hughes, Trae Waynes, Teddy Bridgewater, Anthony Barr, Sharrif Floyd, Xavier Rhodes, Cordarrelle Patterson, Matt Kalil, or Christian Ponder? Granted in that span we also got Harrison Smith and Justin Jefferson. Even so, two gems, three adequates, and nine turds of of a possible 14 choices lends me to say go ahead and waste a #1 on the best kicker in the game. Granted, as has been said already, Zimmer will just ruin him anyway so what difference does it make?

Speilman hasn't drafted well. He could have and should have done much better. Xavier Rhodes was actually worth it for a while, Patterson had his moments though he didn't pan out as an everydown WR. Ponder was a reach and everyone knew it at that very moment. Bridgewater was trending up when he blew his knee. Waynes was decent especially in run support. Hughes they gave up on because of injuries. Gladney may have done well but he decided it was ok to brutalize his girlfriend.

The Picks weren't studs but when they were at their best they weren't as terrible as some want to make them out to be.

And I would still take a chance on the talent level of many of these guys over a Kicker.

Like you said Zimmer would ruin him anyway.

So until Zimmer is gone... no point at all

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I posed the question last night and I pose it again. Should/could we trade our #1 pick for Justin Tucker?

the KICKER?

**** NO

Honestly, I'm not sure Baltimore would do it.

If you are patient with the young kicker you can draft one with a 6-7th round pick.

I wouldn't waste a 1st rounder on one. So why would i give one up in trade for one? and yes the Ravens would do it. A First round pick for a Kicker? They'd do it in a heartbeat.

The guy is a cold-blooded assassin. We'd have three more wins right now with Tucker. Name me another guy in the league (not playing quarterback) that wins you three games.

Greg Joseph has missed extra points in each of the past three games. Justin Tucker has missed four in his entire 10-year career.

It's as simple as this.

HE IS A KICKER.

HE IS NOT WORTH A FIRST ROUND PICK.

Again, I pose the question. Name me a few guys (not playing quarterback) that win you three games a year?

With better coaching we have five more wins.

Counting kickoffs the kicker is involved in how many plays a game on average? 8 to 10 ?. I don't care how good he is. if you can't get into FG range he's useless. if your defense can't keep the game within 3 points the kicker isn't going to win you the game. Kickers are not worth a first round pick. Ever.

I was pissed we lost a fifth rounder for that Kaare Vedvik or whatever waste of oxygen.

I think we need a better kicker, but giving up a first round pick for one would be a massive overreaction. A better kicker can be had for far less. and the first round pick can be used on a much more talented player that might see say 40-60 plays a game. Would you trade Justin Jefferson for Justin Tucker?

So you are using Justin Jefferson as your example? Is that a guy you think wins you three games a year? Honest question. A simple yes or no will do.

You clearly think this can be answered with a yes or no question?

NO.

I would not ever trade a first rounder for Justin Tucker. I have already made this pretty clear.

I don't care how many more wins you would theorize we could have. It would be a waste of resources to blow a first round pick on a kicker. The only time I've ever seen a team do this that team won exactly 0 championships. and do you think they actually made it to any of their success solely on the leg of a kicker? No they didn't and you know it.

Enough of the ridiculous proposition. It is never going to happen.

For what it's worth, I would agree that Justin Jefferson wins a team three games a year. Where was Justin Jefferson drafted?

CASE CLOSED!

For what it's worth. Justin Jefferson is exponentially more valuable than Justin Tucker.

It still comes down to would you give up a first round pick for a kicker? Any kicker? I wouldn't.

Can't we have Justin Jefferson AND Justin Tucker? Do we have to have just one?

Offer a first round pick and see what they say. I'm gonna tell you right now, the answer could be no from the Ravens.

It doesn't matter to me what you think their answer might be. I would never offer a first round pick.

THEY JUST MIGHT TAKE IT. and then you would be out a first round pick....for a kicker.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

I posed the question last night and I pose it again. Should/could we trade our #1 pick for Justin Tucker?

the KICKER?

**** NO

Honestly, I'm not sure Baltimore would do it.

If you are patient with the young kicker you can draft one with a 6-7th round pick.

I wouldn't waste a 1st rounder on one. So why would i give one up in trade for one? and yes the Ravens would do it. A First round pick for a Kicker? They'd do it in a heartbeat.

The guy is a cold-blooded assassin. We'd have three more wins right now with Tucker. Name me another guy in the league (not playing quarterback) that wins you three games.

Greg Joseph has missed extra points in each of the past three games. Justin Tucker has missed four in his entire 10-year career.

It's as simple as this.

HE IS A KICKER.

HE IS NOT WORTH A FIRST ROUND PICK.

Again, I pose the question. Name me a few guys (not playing quarterback) that win you three games a year?

With better coaching we have five more wins.

Counting kickoffs the kicker is involved in how many plays a game on average? 8 to 10 ?. I don't care how good he is. if you can't get into FG range he's useless. if your defense can't keep the game within 3 points the kicker isn't going to win you the game. Kickers are not worth a first round pick. Ever.

I was pissed we lost a fifth rounder for that Kaare Vedvik or whatever waste of oxygen.

I think we need a better kicker, but giving up a first round pick for one would be a massive overreaction. A better kicker can be had for far less. and the first round pick can be used on a much more talented player that might see say 40-60 plays a game. Would you trade Justin Jefferson for Justin Tucker?

So you are using Justin Jefferson as your example? Is that a guy you think wins you three games a year? Honest question. A simple yes or no will do.

You clearly think this can be answered with a yes or no question?

NO.

I would not ever trade a first rounder for Justin Tucker. I have already made this pretty clear.

I don't care how many more wins you would theorize we could have. It would be a waste of resources to blow a first round pick on a kicker. The only time I've ever seen a team do this that team won exactly 0 championships. and do you think they actually made it to any of their success solely on the leg of a kicker? No they didn't and you know it.

Enough of the ridiculous proposition. It is never going to happen.

For what it's worth, I would agree that Justin Jefferson wins a team three games a year. Where was Justin Jefferson drafted?

CASE CLOSED!

For what it's worth. Justin Jefferson is exponentially more valuable than Justin Tucker.

It still comes down to would you give up a first round pick for a kicker? Any kicker? I wouldn't.

Can't we have Justin Jefferson AND Justin Tucker? Do we have to have just one?

Offer a first round pick and see what they say. I'm gonna tell you right now, the answer could be no from the Ravens.

It doesn't matter to me what you think their answer might be. I would never offer a first round pick.

THEY JUST MIGHT TAKE IT. and then you would be out a first round pick....for a kicker.

This isn't a typical year. He wouldn't win you three extra games during the typical Vikings year. Let's take a different example. How many extra games would Tucker have won the Vikings in 2017?

If you compare Tucker's stats to a replacement-level kicker like Joseph, Tucker is worth around 10 more points per year, 2 field goals and 4 extra points. But you can't just take those 10 points and put them on the exact games the Vikings fall a bit short. That is, some of those 10 points wouldn't make any difference to a game's outcome. If football had a WAR stat, it would be far less than 3 for Tucker.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

I posed the question last night and I pose it again. Should/could we trade our #1 pick for Justin Tucker?

the KICKER?

**** NO

Honestly, I'm not sure Baltimore would do it.

If you are patient with the young kicker you can draft one with a 6-7th round pick.

I wouldn't waste a 1st rounder on one. So why would i give one up in trade for one? and yes the Ravens would do it. A First round pick for a Kicker? They'd do it in a heartbeat.

The guy is a cold-blooded assassin. We'd have three more wins right now with Tucker. Name me another guy in the league (not playing quarterback) that wins you three games.

Greg Joseph has missed extra points in each of the past three games. Justin Tucker has missed four in his entire 10-year career.

It's as simple as this.

HE IS A KICKER.

HE IS NOT WORTH A FIRST ROUND PICK.

Again, I pose the question. Name me a few guys (not playing quarterback) that win you three games a year?

With better coaching we have five more wins.

Counting kickoffs the kicker is involved in how many plays a game on average? 8 to 10 ?. I don't care how good he is. if you can't get into FG range he's useless. if your defense can't keep the game within 3 points the kicker isn't going to win you the game. Kickers are not worth a first round pick. Ever.

I was pissed we lost a fifth rounder for that Kaare Vedvik or whatever waste of oxygen.

I think we need a better kicker, but giving up a first round pick for one would be a massive overreaction. A better kicker can be had for far less. and the first round pick can be used on a much more talented player that might see say 40-60 plays a game. Would you trade Justin Jefferson for Justin Tucker?

So you are using Justin Jefferson as your example? Is that a guy you think wins you three games a year? Honest question. A simple yes or no will do.

You clearly think this can be answered with a yes or no question?

NO.

I would not ever trade a first rounder for Justin Tucker. I have already made this pretty clear.

I don't care how many more wins you would theorize we could have. It would be a waste of resources to blow a first round pick on a kicker. The only time I've ever seen a team do this that team won exactly 0 championships. and do you think they actually made it to any of their success solely on the leg of a kicker? No they didn't and you know it.

Enough of the ridiculous proposition. It is never going to happen.

For what it's worth, I would agree that Justin Jefferson wins a team three games a year. Where was Justin Jefferson drafted?

CASE CLOSED!

For what it's worth. Justin Jefferson is exponentially more valuable than Justin Tucker.

It still comes down to would you give up a first round pick for a kicker? Any kicker? I wouldn't.

Can't we have Justin Jefferson AND Justin Tucker? Do we have to have just one?

Offer a first round pick and see what they say. I'm gonna tell you right now, the answer could be no from the Ravens.

It doesn't matter to me what you think their answer might be. I would never offer a first round pick.

THEY JUST MIGHT TAKE IT. and then you would be out a first round pick....for a kicker.

This isn't a typical year. He wouldn't win you three extra games during the typical Vikings year. Let's take a different example. How many extra games would Tucker have won the Vikings in 2017?

If you compare Tucker's stats to a replacement-level kicker like Joseph, Tucker is worth around 10 more points per year, 2 field goals and 4 extra points. But you can't just take those 10 points and put them on the exact games the Vikings fall a bit short. That is, some of those 10 points wouldn't make any difference to a game's outcome. If football had a WAR stat, it would be far less than 3 for Tucker.