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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/12/2022 8:56:11 AM

bohumm

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A one- or two-down player at 12, no matter how effective, is a waste of a unique resource. And that doesn't count the plays where he gives little to no effort. If there's something there that doesn't meet the eye, maybe he's worth it. But he flashes so hard when he flashes at all that it seems to create an illusion about his overall dominance.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/12/2022 9:04:42 AM

Bill Johanesen

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A one- or two-down player at 12, no matter how effective, is a waste of a unique resource. And that doesn't count the plays where he gives little to no effort. If there's something there that doesn't meet the eye, maybe he's worth it. But he flashes so hard when he flashes at all that it seems to create an illusion about his overall dominance.

You may be the first person to coin the phrase "one down" when describing DL. Could "a half a down" be next?

Jordan Davis is a rare prospect based on his measurables alone. There aren't many 6'6", 340-pound players period, let alone those as athletically gifted as he is.

Davis gets out of his stance with power and snaps right onto opposing linemen, giving him the immediate upper hand on almost every block he takes on. He can play a primary to secondary gap in the run game when faced with single blocks and hold his ground against double-teams.

Davis also has the side-to-side mobility to shoot off the ball into another gap for stunts, twists, etc., to let the defense play games up front, as Georgia often did. His positional flexibility makes him valuable, too. Davis can play anything from 0-tech over the center to 3-tech in the B gap, serving as either a two-gap or one-gap player.

However, Davis' limited snap count (even though that's true for all of Georgia's front-four players) and middling pass-rushing traits could hurt his value in the draft. He's an exceptional run defender, but his pass-rushing reps leave something to be desired, especially since it's clear that he has the athletic traits to do it effectively.

Davis' middling pass-rushing traits and the general value of defensive tackles may scare some teams off in the top 10, but he will be a force multiplier in the run game right away.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/12/2022 9:26:13 AM

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Good summary.

In the passing-driven NFL, an every-down nose tackle has to have the ability to contribute in the rush to be a first-round pick, and Davis does that well, bulling his blocker backward into the pocket to deny the quarterback space to step up in the pocket. Davis is not a pass rusher, and he won't notch many sacks in the NFL, but he will help eat up space in the pocket. He also can eat up two interior blockers to create a one-on-one matchup for an interior rusher next to him.

All prospects have questions, strengths, and weaknesses. Teams have to look at how a player such as Davis would fit. I think he's a great fit for a new 3-4 defense, either at 12 or in a small trade down. Still think we need CB though.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/12/2022 9:26:14 AM

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A couple of weeks out I'm trying on hoping Kyle Hamilton is available at 12.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/12/2022 9:45:22 AM

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A couple of weeks out I'm trying on hoping Kyle Hamilton is available at 12.

Todd his slow 40 time may make him slide enough to be there at 12

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/12/2022 10:07:37 AM

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Good summary.

In the passing-driven NFL, an every-down nose tackle has to have the ability to contribute in the rush to be a first-round pick, and Davis does that well, bulling his blocker backward into the pocket to deny the quarterback space to step up in the pocket. Davis is not a pass rusher, and he won't notch many sacks in the NFL, but he will help eat up space in the pocket. He also can eat up two interior blockers to create a one-on-one matchup for an interior rusher next to him.

All prospects have questions, strengths, and weaknesses. Teams have to look at how a player such as Davis would fit. I think he's a great fit for a new 3-4 defense, either at 12 or in a small trade down. Still think we need CB though.

Could this be a poor man's Michael Jordan situation?

The only person that could stop MJ in college was Dean Smith. Was the scheme holding him(Davis) back somewhat?

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/12/2022 11:28:31 AM

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RE: Jordan Davis

Arguments against

Davis was a big 'ol run stuffer for Georgia, not much else. Then he tested off the charts at the combine which opened up the 'limitless potential' and 'high cieling' salivations for an unscratched diamond gem sleeper in the rough. Most likely, Davis will lope onto the field in pre-game festivities like a gazelle but he's really just a raw run-down space eater. Maybe he can Fridge a TD or lead block here and there. #12 is a valuable commodity for combining ... one, most talented player on the board (not Davis); two, a player most likely to start right away at a position of need (Tomlinson even after a lukewarm season, not Davis); three, for draft virgins like Kwesi and Kevin, a safer bet may weigh against boom or busting it at the top (like Davis and Stinkley).

Arguments for

Any help against the run bolsters the rest of our defense. And, since IDL is a weak position in this draft (at the top, there's two Big Man NTs in Davis and borderline first rounder Travis Jones), we better move super-competitive quick to land one. We've covered the pass rush bases as well as we could, adding a big NT to specialize / rotate with Tomlinson Phillips Watts could be a big help to our small ILBs. And, Davis has freakish athletic traits ... could Hunter lightening possibly strike twice for us? Not if you're a Vikings fan but, otherwise, you never know ...

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/12/2022 11:38:27 AM

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A couple of weeks out I'm trying on hoping Kyle Hamilton is available at 12.

Todd his slow 40 time may make him slide enough to be there at 12

It is amazing that a 4.57 40 will do that (for a safety with almost linebacker size). Would be a great pick.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/12/2022 12:29:55 PM

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DRAFT THEME 2020: Get big and fat as all get-out

Roster Imperatives

1) CB – Obviously our biggest need. Compounded by needing more than one. Specifically, an outside player with speed and athleticism to offset slow cagey Peterson.
2) C – A violent burly mammoth who uses mass and power to win battles, not just a user of leverage and a shuffler of feet; just once I'd like to have someone better at standing their ground than squirting out and pestering LBs.
3) CB – Versatile outside /inside player to push Sullivan and keep Dantzler off the field tweeting.

Roster Needs (current, not down the road)

NT – A powerful blubberous immovable one-dimensional run stuffer for short yardage, goal line.
S – Rangy free safety to compete with Bynum, give us a chance to move on from Smith, sooner than later.
TE – Big and heavy with big and heavy hands for the red zone / short yardage, and to bump 6'7" punter-bodied Davidson off the roster.
WR – What we don’t have is a hefty (not skinny) big bodied WR with some physicality, catch radius and vertical.
ILB – Beefy tone setting blocker-stacker to back-up our small ILBs and skinny back-ups

Nice job on bolding certain attributes. But I think Kwesi likes svelte. He love svelte. Wishes it were basketball. He sees big and heavy as undisciplined, even a heathen lifestyle. He got rid of our ONLY blubberous player (Pierce). Phillips, the initial signed heavy, is a compact sort. ACL Taylor has a mystery weight. Hicks looks trim at ILB. Sullivan could use a steak dinner. On offense, Mundt is a bit light in the pants. And the OL guys are certainly not big city fire hydrants.

- Davis at 12 to platoon with Tomlinson initially or a top CB. Read Sauce has been known to allow "slivers of sunshine" between himself and the receiver
- At least one of the second tier CBs might be around in the 2nd, food for thought.
- Center, agree on mass. Birk was 320 lbs a generation ago, let's move the needle a touch to 330.

Good point on WR.

Some article said Smith's contract is structured to suggest this is his last year in Minny. Don't know if that's valid, but if so S could end up being at the top of all-time 'Most Barren Position'.

Tough guy WR is Drake London, who will probably be available in late 1st ( I know nothing). Has also been described as a basketballer type which is Kwesi's kale jam.

But freaking Tredwell (and Nkeal Harry) ruined me on that approach.

I've seen mocks where we trade back, pick london with our 1st, and then cb and iol our two 2nds...i'd go with that....

That would meet a lot of needs for sure. London dominated Pac 12 d's before his injury, but I'm not sure what that means anymore. (Thanks, Larry Scott) Not sure if he has the requisite speed for NFL. Put the floor at maybe 4.4s for the 40?

It's moot though if Sauce is there at 12.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/12/2022 12:53:41 PM

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A couple of weeks out I'm trying on hoping Kyle Hamilton is available at 12.

Todd his slow 40 time may make him slide enough to be there at 12

It is amazing that a 4.57 40 will do that (for a safety with almost linebacker size). Would be a great pick.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/12/2022 1:07:39 PM

Bill Johanesen

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So if the picks in rounds 1-2 should start and rounds 3-5 should beat out current depth, what positions would be targeted?

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/12/2022 4:53:21 PM

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Weakest starters (ourlads depth chart)

IN ORDER

CB Dantzler

C Bradbury

G Davis / Reed / Davis

S Bynum

RDE Watts

TE Smith

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/12/2022 4:58:36 PM

Tom Sykes

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Weakest Main Backups (ourlads depth chart)

Every position except RB (Mattison) and WR (Osborn)

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/12/2022 8:36:39 PM

Bill Johanesen

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Weakest starters (ourlads depth chart)

IN ORDER

CB Dantzler - younger player who might improve

C Bradbury - flat out bad

G Davis / Reed / Davis - Reed is a hope

S Bynum - can he build and improve on last year

RDE Watts - a wait and see type in the 3-4

TE Smith - the great tease is back, at least for a while

Agree with the players in the list.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/12/2022 8:45:21 PM

Bill Johanesen

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Weakest Main Backups (ourlads depth chart)

Every position except RB (Mattison) and WR (Osborn)

I consider Osborn a 'starter' presuming we pass more.

If there was an expansion draft and the new teams could take a backup, Mattison would be the only one taken. Maybe Wonnum.

Our depth is absolute trash. Can't recall it ever being worse. Spielman ran this team into the ground.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/12/2022 9:04:04 PM 1 votes

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A couple of weeks out I'm trying on hoping Kyle Hamilton is available at 12.

One more addition to you countless amount of clueless posts. Might be time for you to just go away. You add nothing to this forum but coke bottle purple goggles.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/12/2022 10:03:14 PM

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A couple of weeks out I'm trying on hoping Kyle Hamilton is available at 12.

One more addition to you countless amount of clueless posts. Might be time for you to just go away. You add nothing to this forum but coke bottle purple goggles.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/12/2022 11:24:18 PM

Todd M

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Not sure how to respond to that. Not bc I'm bothered by it but bc I'm not sure if it's just Bill getting me back for calling out his negativity or whether it's JC posting under Bill's account again.

Either way...suck a giant penis.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/12/2022 11:48:55 PM

Mark Anderson

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Not sure how to respond to that. Not bc I'm bothered by it but bc I'm not sure if it's just Bill getting me back for calling out his negativity or whether it's JC posting under Bill's account again.

Either way...suck a giant penis.

That really happened??

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/13/2022 12:24:25 AM

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A couple of weeks out I'm trying on hoping Kyle Hamilton is available at 12.

One more addition to you countless amount of clueless posts. Might be time for you to just go away. You add nothing to this forum but coke bottle purple goggles.

Yea.. your the expert on cluelessness and shit posts.. that’s for damn sure..

Take your own advice..

Or should we go back and review your stellar contributions to draft idea history?

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/13/2022 9:28:12 AM

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DB
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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/13/2022 9:58:04 AM

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So if Hamilton is available. Thoughts on maybe moving Bynum to CB or still draft a CB 2nd or 3rd round?

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/13/2022 9:58:46 AM

Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Not sure how to respond to that. Not bc I'm bothered by it but bc I'm not sure if it's just Bill getting me back for calling out his negativity or whether it's JC posting under Bill's account again.

Either way...suck a giant penis.

That really happened??

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/13/2022 10:07:41 AM

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DB
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DE

I could get on board with that. We are still thin with our db's.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/13/2022 10:08:29 AM

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Not sure how to respond to that. Not bc I'm bothered by it but bc I'm not sure if it's just Bill getting me back for calling out his negativity or whether it's JC posting under Bill's account again.

Either way...suck a giant penis.

That really happened??