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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/16/2022 9:07:00 AM

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Our IOL has been a patchwork mess ever since Hutchison, Birk, Herrera…

One dumpster fire of SPACKLE and gauze, ever since.

Maybe karma for the poison pill we put into Hutchison's contract?

I'd think that we've paid our dues by now?

There is no karma for the poison pill. Brez and the Vikings raised that flag to the NFL for a couple of years and got blown off before they actually went out and executed it.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/16/2022 5:50:39 PM

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Our IOL has been a patchwork mess ever since Hutchison, Birk, Herrera…

One dumpster fire of SPACKLE and gauze, ever since.

Maybe karma for the poison pill we put into Hutchison's contract?

I'd think that we've paid our dues by now?

Seattle got us back long ago:

On March 24, 2006, Burleson signed a seven-year $49 million offer sheet to play with his hometown Seattle Seahawks. In retribution for the Vikings signing an offer sheet with former Seahawks guard Steve Hutchinson, the Seahawks put clauses in Burleson's offer sheet which made it virtually impossible for Minnesota to match (similar to what the Vikings did with Hutchinson). The offer sheet stated that the entire $49 million would be guaranteed if Burleson played five games, in one season, in the state of Minnesota, or if his average per year exceeded the average of all running backs on the team combined. The Vikings played eight home games a year in Minneapolis, and at the time of the offer sheet, the team spent far less than $7 million per year for its entire running back corps.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/17/2022 7:55:06 AM

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ORIGINAL: Murph

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Our IOL has been a patchwork mess ever since Hutchison, Birk, Herrera…

One dumpster fire of SPACKLE and gauze, ever since.

Maybe karma for the poison pill we put into Hutchison's contract?

I'd think that we've paid our dues by now?

I'm almost convinced it's the Minnesota Massacre of 1862 - the IOL? pfft, ain't going to be a SB for us, either ...

Lent's over, whew! Miss me?

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/17/2022 9:15:29 AM

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Thoughts on the next Anquan Bolden/Jarvis Laundry?

David Bell from Purdue dropped to a third rounder rating after speed issues like the other two.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/18/2022 9:19:55 AM

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I was reading Peter King's column.

He said a GM said this will be a deep draft with good players on the 2nd and 3rd days of draft. He said the 2020 Covid season kept a lot of players around for the 2021 season(instead of going into 2021 draft).

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/18/2022 10:46:26 AM

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Murph

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Our IOL has been a patchwork mess ever since Hutchison, Birk, Herrera…

One dumpster fire of SPACKLE and gauze, ever since.

Maybe karma for the poison pill we put into Hutchison's contract?

I'd think that we've paid our dues by now?

I'm almost convinced it's the Minnesota Massacre of 1862 - the IOL? pfft, ain't going to be a SB for us, either ...

Lent's over, whew! Miss me?

Is that for real, you gave up this for lent?

Welcome back! Beehive of activity doesn’t begin to say it.

To summarize: We resigned T.Y. McGill and now its time for the draft.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/18/2022 11:08:15 AM

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Where's Spielman when you need him?

Also means more guys pushed out into UDFA.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/18/2022 11:22:43 AM

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Where's Spielman when you need him?

Also means more guys pushed out into UDFA.

I think we already have 71 guys signed.

8 Draft picks and 11 UDFAs.

Of course we can cut some guys and pick up some more UDFAs.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/18/2022 12:22:41 PM

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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Where's Spielman when you need him?

Also means more guys pushed out into UDFA.

I think we already have 71 guys signed.

8 Draft picks and 11 UDFAs.

Of course we can cut some guys and pick up some more UDFAs.

There's also usually a variety of guys who get cut after the draft. Some good, some permanently peripheral at best, some in between.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/18/2022 12:29:48 PM

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I have no idea if the order or timing of our pre-draft roster moves indicates anything ... but there is a loosely ordered approach*:

Phase I, first 10 days [3/13- 3/22]
QB: Cousins (E 03/13), Mannion (R 03/22)
ST: Berry (R 03/16), Joseph (Tendered 03/14)
D-Front Seven: Hicks (S 03/15), Phillips (S 03/16), Smith (S 03/22), Hunter (RB 03/22)

Phase II, second 10 days (3/23 - 04/01)
CB – Sullivan (S 03/25), T. Smith (R 03/28), Hairston (S 03/28), Peterson (R 03/30)
IOL – J Davis(S 03/28), Reed (S 04/01)

(*To keep my overview tidy, I differentiated between trade/no trade roster decisions for Cousins / Hunter and simple CAP restructures for Thielen / Harry; I also didn't include fringers Mundt, Schlottmann, Taylor)

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/18/2022 1:13:30 PM

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Since everyone loved his mock last time, MarkSP18 with another:
https://www.dailynorseman.com/2022/4/15/23027544/vikings-mock-draft-v4-15

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/18/2022 1:19:50 PM

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I have no idea if the order or timing of our pre-draft roster moves indicates anything ... but there is a loosely ordered approach*:

Phase I, first 10 days [3/13- 3/22]
QB: Cousins (E 03/13), Mannion (R 03/22)
ST: Berry (R 03/16), Joseph (Tendered 03/14)
D-Front Seven: Hicks (S 03/15), Phillips (S 03/16), Smith (S 03/22), Hunter (RB 03/22)

Phase II, second 10 days (3/23 - 04/01)
CB – Sullivan (S 03/25), T. Smith (R 03/28), Hairston (S 03/28), Peterson (R 03/30)
IOL – J Davis(S 03/28), Reed (S 04/01)

(*To keep my overview tidy, I differentiated between trade/no trade roster decisions for Cousins / Hunter and simple CAP restructures for Thielen / Harry; I also didn't include fringers Mundt, Schlottmann, Taylor)

So basically you're saying we went second wave value shopping for CB and IOL because we plan to draft those positions high

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/18/2022 1:21:05 PM

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I can't find any brightness with the situation at center. The only current hope as it stands is that they have a plan for an internal solution that isn't at all apparent from the outside. Because that would be a clear path to making things work with Bradbury via scheme and/or technique or a position switch/emergence that seems highly aspirational at best, I only see a hole at center. In combination with the degree to which middle pressure fukks with Cousins, I don't see a lot of hope. The draft looks like a lot of guys with the same issues as Bradbury, not to mention going into the draft with a gaping hole at center is how we ended up taking Bradbury. The viable FA options at center all seemed expensive, but it really seems we need another experienced body--even a broken-down or reclamation body--heading into the summer. In my estimation this is the one total void left, though there is a global problem with depth at all but a few positions (RB, ILB) and a lot has to break just right, esp on the injury front.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/18/2022 1:23:03 PM

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I can't find any brightness with the situation at center. The only current hope as it stands is that they have a plan for an internal solution that isn't at all apparent from the outside. Because that would be a clear path to making things work with Bradbury via scheme and/or technique or a position switch/emergence that seems highly aspirational at best, I only see a hole at center. In combination with the degree to which middle pressure fukks with Cousins, I don't see a lot of hope. The draft looks like a lot of guys with the same issues as Bradbury, not to mention going into the draft with a gaping hole at center is how we ended up taking Bradbury. The viable FA options at center all seemed expensive, but it really seems we need another experienced body--even a broken-down or reclamation body--heading into the summer. In my estimation this is the one total void left, though there is a global problem with depth at all but a few positions (RB, ILB) and a lot has to break just right, esp on the injury front.

I think it will be Reed...the IOL we signed from the Bills.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/18/2022 1:32:51 PM

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

I can't find any brightness with the situation at center. The only current hope as it stands is that they have a plan for an internal solution that isn't at all apparent from the outside. Because that would be a clear path to making things work with Bradbury via scheme and/or technique or a position switch/emergence that seems highly aspirational at best, I only see a hole at center. In combination with the degree to which middle pressure fukks with Cousins, I don't see a lot of hope. The draft looks like a lot of guys with the same issues as Bradbury, not to mention going into the draft with a gaping hole at center is how we ended up taking Bradbury. The viable FA options at center all seemed expensive, but it really seems we need another experienced body--even a broken-down or reclamation body--heading into the summer. In my estimation this is the one total void left, though there is a global problem with depth at all but a few positions (RB, ILB) and a lot has to break just right, esp on the injury front.

I think it will be Reed...the IOL we signed from the Bills.

Maybe they'll draft a tackle and move him to center.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/18/2022 1:47:18 PM

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I can't find any brightness with the situation at center. The only current hope as it stands is that they have a plan for an internal solution that isn't at all apparent from the outside. Because that would be a clear path to making things work with Bradbury via scheme and/or technique or a position switch/emergence that seems highly aspirational at best, I only see a hole at center. In combination with the degree to which middle pressure fukks with Cousins, I don't see a lot of hope. The draft looks like a lot of guys with the same issues as Bradbury, not to mention going into the draft with a gaping hole at center is how we ended up taking Bradbury. The viable FA options at center all seemed expensive, but it really seems we need another experienced body--even a broken-down or reclamation body--heading into the summer. In my estimation this is the one total void left, though there is a global problem with depth at all but a few positions (RB, ILB) and a lot has to break just right, esp on the injury front.

I think it will be Reed...the IOL we signed from the Bills.

I missed the part where he's a center. This is in the aspirational position switch category, so it changes nothing. I'm more optimistic that somehow scheme and technique unlock an adequate center in Garrett Bradbury, and I'm not at all optimistic about that. Again, any of this might somehow work, but as of now the center position is devoid of a viable known plan. Plus, if he's the center, who plays right guard?

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/18/2022 1:49:00 PM

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

I have no idea if the order or timing of our pre-draft roster moves indicates anything ... but there is a loosely ordered approach*:

Phase I, first 10 days [3/13- 3/22]
QB: Cousins (E 03/13), Mannion (R 03/22)
ST: Berry (R 03/16), Joseph (Tendered 03/14)
D-Front Seven: Hicks (S 03/15), Phillips (S 03/16), Smith (S 03/22), Hunter (RB 03/22)

Phase II, second 10 days (3/23 - 04/01)
CB – Sullivan (S 03/25), T. Smith (R 03/28), Hairston (S 03/28), Peterson (R 03/30)
IOL – J Davis(S 03/28), Reed (S 04/01)

(*To keep my overview tidy, I differentiated between trade/no trade roster decisions for Cousins / Hunter and simple CAP restructures for Thielen / Harry; I also didn't include fringers Mundt, Schlottmann, Taylor)

So basically you're saying we went second wave value shopping for CB and IOL because we plan to draft those positions high

... as good an interpretation as any.

I can't figure it out, I'm grasping that's all.

maybe its the positions we didn't address at all: C, TE, WR, *RB, S, DE.

*I don't consider Mundt, Schlottmann, Taylor as anything more than warm bodies
**God please no RB

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/18/2022 1:58:46 PM

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

I can't find any brightness with the situation at center. The only current hope as it stands is that they have a plan for an internal solution that isn't at all apparent from the outside. Because that would be a clear path to making things work with Bradbury via scheme and/or technique or a position switch/emergence that seems highly aspirational at best, I only see a hole at center. In combination with the degree to which middle pressure fukks with Cousins, I don't see a lot of hope. The draft looks like a lot of guys with the same issues as Bradbury, not to mention going into the draft with a gaping hole at center is how we ended up taking Bradbury. The viable FA options at center all seemed expensive, but it really seems we need another experienced body--even a broken-down or reclamation body--heading into the summer. In my estimation this is the one total void left, though there is a global problem with depth at all but a few positions (RB, ILB) and a lot has to break just right, esp on the injury front.

I think it will be Reed...the IOL we signed from the Bills.

Ofcourse, it makes perfect sense.

"Reed, who turns 30 this summer, is entering his eighth year in the NFL. He played in 14 games for the Colts last year, starting six of them and seeing time at both guard spots. He filled in very nicely for Indianapolis when called upon, eventually earning the starting job at RG. In 2020, Reed started a career-high 14 games for the Panthers at left guard."

https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/news/vikings-sign-veteran-guard-chris-reed-to-two-year-deal

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/18/2022 2:02:23 PM

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

I can't find any brightness with the situation at center. The only current hope as it stands is that they have a plan for an internal solution that isn't at all apparent from the outside. Because that would be a clear path to making things work with Bradbury via scheme and/or technique or a position switch/emergence that seems highly aspirational at best, I only see a hole at center. In combination with the degree to which middle pressure fukks with Cousins, I don't see a lot of hope. The draft looks like a lot of guys with the same issues as Bradbury, not to mention going into the draft with a gaping hole at center is how we ended up taking Bradbury. The viable FA options at center all seemed expensive, but it really seems we need another experienced body--even a broken-down or reclamation body--heading into the summer. In my estimation this is the one total void left, though there is a global problem with depth at all but a few positions (RB, ILB) and a lot has to break just right, esp on the injury front.

I think it will be Reed...the IOL we signed from the Bills.

Indy. We signed a DT from Buffalo.

Has Reed played Center, or is it more wishful thinking?

He was a college LT and has played exclusively at Guard in the NFL.

He has taken snaps at C in the preseason, but I'm not sure if there is anything to takeaway from that?

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/18/2022 2:38:57 PM

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Just in terms of the roster, there was no way we were going to adequately address every big need in one off season.

We did the best we could with the resources we had to give the defense a chance to rebound by signing Hicks, Phillips, Zad, Sullivan as starters. And resigning Peterson.

We got our K, P situation resolved.

The offense needed a lot less attention, just the big gaping hole at G and banking on TE Smith who needs to prove he can step up into Conklin's shoes (KOC has already anointed Bradbury the starter at C, so it is what it is). Yes we have added some warm IOL bodies with some mediocre starts under their belts. If we had a decent starting RG, both J Davis and Reed would be considered low level FA signings to compete with W Davis and Udo as backups. By default, they are all in a competition for RG / back-up LG / back-up C.

We'll see how the draft goes. For my money, a CB in rds 1 or 2 is the only thing that has to happen.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/19/2022 8:14:11 AM

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Zone Coverage likes this C who played against Georgia and held up ok...

https://zonecoverage.com/2022/minnesota-vikings-news/luke-fortner-is-the-antithesis-of-garrett-bradbury/

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/19/2022 10:18:26 AM

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(KOC has already anointed Bradbury the starter at C, so it is what it is)

Nah, that was the first smoke screen of the offseason!

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/19/2022 10:26:38 AM

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Zone Coverage likes this C who played against Georgia and held up ok...

https://zonecoverage.com/2022/minnesota-vikings-news/luke-fortner-is-the-antithesis-of-garrett-bradbury/

I like his premise … an anti-Badbury with strong anchor and just enough mobility.

But he constantly has to qualify his examples to make his point, ‘technically Jordan Davis made the play by stopping the run but I like what Fortner did on that play’ …

Even so, I’d take him with the fourth rounder we dont have.

I don’t see any Cs that are worth drafting over other positions until the fishing expedition starts in the 5th round. I have always argued against drafting a player for a different position in the pros … but I think the only way to extract the tick bradburied deep in our hide is to take a sturdy G or squatty OT that has some C experience. In order: squatty, surly, swarthy …

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/19/2022 10:34:01 AM

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(KOC has already anointed Bradbury the starter at C, so it is what it is)

Nah, that was the first smoke screen of the offseason!

Dang if only that were true.

If we draft a C or an OL to compete at C before the 5th rd I will thoroughly enjoy a tasty plate of duplicitous crow.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/19/2022 10:38:18 AM

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(KOC has already anointed Bradbury the starter at C, so it is what it is)

Nah, that was the first smoke screen of the offseason!

I hope so. There are some things you can't fix with a scheme. Like getting blown off the line of scrimmage.

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