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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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But if that's how he was used in college, when they run more and pass less effectively, how much can he be used in the NFL? And I knew someone would come with the Moss thing; he wasn't off the field for two-thirds of the plays. Rest when you're on the sideline, and if you're supposed to be rotational anyway, ask to come out if you can't give effort. I would take him later, and I'd like to have him on my team, but picking a guy at 12 to play one-third of the snaps---and not the most critical snaps---seems dicey.

It worked for Georgia!

I knew you'd take the Moss plays off ratio literally. Which BTW is three-quarters, not two-thirds.

I was saying Davis was off the field for two-thirds of the plays, and then taking plays off beyond that when he's on the field. And Georgia was stacked, and not playing against NFL teams. In today's NFL, with Davis off the field in nickel, even if his approach to conditioning changes (a dangerous assumption), he's not impacting the pass defense to a degree that merits choosing him at 12. Mark's point about occupying blockers only applies on base downs, which KOC and Donnatel have both said will be the minority of snaps.

If they choose him, he's my guy. But it doesn't align with what would seem to be the best use of a resource like the 12th pick.

In today's NFL, the Vikings were bottom feeders against the run. And before that they were gashed up the middle in the playoffs by SF to the tune of 186 yards. The regime should have an options to fix that.

He's not my #1 choice, but Davis should do well in the 3-4.

I also think he'll do well in the 3-4, but that will be the alignment on the minority of snaps, seemingly considerably so. That's why I would be reluctant to take him at 12. I'd be very interested to know how Donatell views the role/importance of the nose tackle in his scheme, and what his prototype is. I'm also curious about what a 3-4 DE should look/play like.

You certainly know a lot about not only Georgia's scheme, but our upcoming 3-4. Nonetheless, once Davis makes it 2nd and 9 there is merit on the snap thing.

This comes from KOC saying during a presser or interview that teams are in nickel two-thirds or three-quarters of the time, so the base alignment is less important than how you line up on passing downs. Don't get me wrong, I value run defense and I'd love to have Davis on the team, but not where we'd have to pick him.

Yeah Rap already covered it. Donatell's remarks.

I think Davis can play on passing downs.

Yes, it will still be a rotation and he won't play 80-90% of the downs like a starting CB but the guy can be a monster with some fine tuning.

Plus, I picked him in the Draft Challenge.

in 2021, only 4 of the top 10 teams with the most quarterback sacks made the playoffs....

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ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

not worried about the stingley injury status...this kid will be great imo...not sure he'll still be available

a trade down is fine if we still net mcduffie or booth, and pick up a third or more

i think all 4 of those cb's are legit 1st rounders

i don't like thinking in terms of stockpiling picks for a qb next year...

I think the writing is on the wall...Kirk is here till he's 40, so lets get him a defense and build around him

at this point he is a bargain qb, the way salaries have exploded

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I just can't imagine we pass on cb at 12, whether it is Stingley or McDuffie...both are legit at 12

I agree with Phil that we shouldn't go WR in such a rich WR draft...but not on board with Davis at 12

corner or bust imo

Stingley, Hamilton, and Sauce all gone. I would go Davis.

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I just can't imagine we pass on cb at 12, whether it is Stingley or McDuffie...both are legit at 12

I agree with Phil that we shouldn't go WR in such a rich WR draft...but not on board with Davis at 12

corner or bust imo

Stingley, Hamilton, and Sauce all gone. I would go Davis.

I think I'd take McDuffie at 12. He's a very good tackler in run support and can play press or man. He's a little small but so was Winfield.

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I'll be honest, my big worry is that KAM and KO'C are going to put too much high-minded evaluation into the prospects, a little too much focus on character and team culture.

It's important – nobody wants potential criminals, but ... will they choose a filthy brute over a team captain? I have my doubts.

Given this, I've decided to start emanating dirty odors and brain waves in the hope of influencing our new well-coiffed regime ...

I say screw prospects valued for penmanship and trade down for a nasty tone-setting bully like OL Tyler Smith, WR Treylon Burks, CB Andrew Booth or DE George Karlaftis.

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not worried about the stingley injury status...this kid will be great imo...not sure he'll still be available

a trade down is fine if we still net mcduffie or booth, and pick up a third or more

i think all 4 of those cb's are legit 1st rounders

i don't like thinking in terms of stockpiling picks for a qb next year...

I think the writing is on the wall...Kirk is here till he's 40, so lets get him a defense and build around him

at this point he is a bargain qb, the way salaries have exploded

I vacillate on Stingley every day.

Great his freshman year ... inconsistent the last two years ... yes there were injuries and covid interruptions ... but his great pro day only showed that he's healthy again, not that he's returned to his freshman form.

In other words, he has questions. He is the biggest boom or bust prospect at his position.

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I'll be honest, my big worry is that KAM and KO'C are going to put too much high-minded evaluation into the prospects, a little too much focus on character and team culture.

It's important – nobody wants potential criminals, but ... will they choose a filthy brute over a team captain? I have my doubts.

Given this, I've decided to start emanating dirty odors and brain waves in the hope of influencing our new well-coiffed regime ...

I say screw prospects valued for penmanship and trade down for a nasty tone-setting bully like OL Tyler Smith, WR Treylon Burks, CB Andrew Booth or DE George Karlaftis.

Did you hear any thing about the QB Corral.....radio was saying he is a bad egg. What type of bad egg (Tommy Kramer beer drinking type) or Rodgers (shun his own family type)......they also were talking about how me first Baker is and doing an about face and are hearing rumors about him going to Seattle.

So many things floating around before the draft.

https://www.audacy.com/sports/ncaa-football/top-prospect-corral-described-by-coaches-as-kind-of-a-mess

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not worried about the stingley injury status...this kid will be great imo...not sure he'll still be available

a trade down is fine if we still net mcduffie or booth, and pick up a third or more

i think all 4 of those cb's are legit 1st rounders

i don't like thinking in terms of stockpiling picks for a qb next year...

I think the writing is on the wall...Kirk is here till he's 40, so lets get him a defense and build around him

at this point he is a bargain qb, the way salaries have exploded

I vacillate on Stingley every day.

Great his freshman year ... inconsistent the last two years ... yes there were injuries and covid interruptions ... but his great pro day only showed that he's healthy again, not that he's returned to his freshman form.

In other words, he has questions. He is the biggest boom or bust prospect at his position.

i saw an interview with tyler forness today, and he said that in 2019 stingley played wr#2 on possibly the best college team ever...the next season when some players left, stingley just wasn't the same....

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ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

not worried about the stingley injury status...this kid will be great imo...not sure he'll still be available

a trade down is fine if we still net mcduffie or booth, and pick up a third or more

i think all 4 of those cb's are legit 1st rounders

i don't like thinking in terms of stockpiling picks for a qb next year...

I think the writing is on the wall...Kirk is here till he's 40, so lets get him a defense and build around him

at this point he is a bargain qb, the way salaries have exploded

I vacillate on Stingley every day.

Great his freshman year ... inconsistent the last two years ... yes there were injuries and covid interruptions ... but his great pro day only showed that he's healthy again, not that he's returned to his freshman form.

In other words, he has questions. He is the biggest boom or bust prospect at his position.

i saw an interview with tyler forness today, and he said that in 2019 stingley played wr#2 on possibly the best college team ever...the next season when some players left, stingley just wasn't the same....

Stingley playing like 2019 would be a home run at #12. I'm not sure 2020-2021 below par Stingley still wouldn't be the best cb on our team ... so I won't hate the choice.

There isn't anybody I dislike enough to get surly pissed off about at #12. Maybe Linderbaum comes closest.

Can't wait to see what these guys have up their sleeve.

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While I am stuck on cb, I am really just looking forward to the new pieces...

I'll be thrilled no matter what (I hope)

If we go WR and make a strength even stronger, then so be it

If we grab an edge rusher that can allow us more freedom with how to utilize the DL/OLB, then I'm cool with that

If we take Hamilton because he is BPA, then we have a killer tandem at Safety

If we trade back (not too far, hopefully), we'll have even more toys to play with

Just finally getting real...can't wait!

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This is mostly the "rebuild" portion of the competitive rebuild, so filling holes would not seem primary. There are no true holes, seemingly, in the eyes of the regime, even though many of us see center as a hole after watching Bradbury get tossed into Kirk's lap over and over. But there are depth needs almost everywhere and improvement needs, esp at CB. It's actually a pretty decent starting point in trying to peak in 1-3 years, since developmental prospects can provide depth without being counted on. If this was the only year to think about, I think two CBs in the first three rounds might be warranted, but it could be the third round before we take one depending on how things play out. One guy I'm very intrigued by with the second pick is Pitre, the safety from Baylor. Everyone seems to think he's a safety who can play nickel, so that combo could be helpful for depth and development. It also seems very possible that we take an edge early if the regime likes one, even though there is no starting role available. Rotational availability and depth as well as situating for the future.

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While I am stuck on cb, I am really just looking forward to the new pieces...

I'll be thrilled no matter what (I hope)

If we go WR and make a strength even stronger, then so be it

If we grab an edge rusher that can allow us more freedom with how to utilize the DL/OLB, then I'm cool with that

If we take Hamilton because he is BPA, then we have a killer tandem at Safety

If we trade back (not too far, hopefully), we'll have even more toys to play with

Just finally getting real...can't wait!

How far would you go?

We have a lot of needs, so as long as we get a good return I'm good with trading down into the 20s.

Make the regime work to identify good players.

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This is mostly the "rebuild" portion of the competitive rebuild, so filling holes would not seem primary. There are no true holes, seemingly, in the eyes of the regime, even though many of us see center as a hole after watching Bradbury get tossed into Kirk's lap over and over. But there are depth needs almost everywhere and improvement needs, esp at CB. It's actually a pretty decent starting point in trying to peak in 1-3 years, since developmental prospects can provide depth without being counted on. If this was the only year to think about, I think two CBs in the first three rounds might be warranted, but it could be the third round before we take one depending on how things play out. One guy I'm very intrigued by with the second pick is Pitre, the safety from Baylor. Everyone seems to think he's a safety who can play nickel, so that combo could be helpful for depth and development. It also seems very possible that we take an edge early if the regime likes one, even though there is no starting role available. Rotational availability and depth as well as situating for the future.

That's absurd. Teams don't rebuild on a shoestring budget and without the full (minimum) compliment of draft picks.

We didn't necessarily go backwards, but it's not like we assembled a fleet of gamebreakers:
Barr - Zac
Pierce - Phillips
Woods - ?
Conklin - Mundt
Alexander - Sullivan
Hicks +
OL slugs - OL slugs and hope

As for "peaking" in 1-3 years (say 2 years) players like Cousins, Harrison Smith, Kendricks, Hicks, Thielen, and maybe Cook and Hunter either won't be around, well on the downside of their career, or cap casualties due to their contracts. Others are on 1-2 year contracts or don't have 2+ years left on existing contracts. And we'll likely be stuck with 20+ million in dead cap. Where is the blueprint or strategy for, well, anything down the road let alone peaking?

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While I am stuck on cb, I am really just looking forward to the new pieces...

I'll be thrilled no matter what (I hope)

If we go WR and make a strength even stronger, then so be it

If we grab an edge rusher that can allow us more freedom with how to utilize the DL/OLB, then I'm cool with that

If we take Hamilton because he is BPA, then we have a killer tandem at Safety

If we trade back (not too far, hopefully), we'll have even more toys to play with

Just finally getting real...can't wait!

How far would you go?

We have a lot of needs, so as long as we get a good return I'm good with trading down into the 20s.

Make the regime work to identify good players.

Trade with KC: Get 29 and 30, maybe a 5th or 6th rounder to boot.

Then: 29 and our 3rd rounder for #21

#21 Kenyon Green, McDuffie, Booth Jr., Zion Johnson

#30 Booth Jr., Elam, McCreary, Linderbaum, Ojabo,

#46 Pitre, Muma, Winfrey, Ridder

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

While I am stuck on cb, I am really just looking forward to the new pieces...

I'll be thrilled no matter what (I hope)

If we go WR and make a strength even stronger, then so be it

If we grab an edge rusher that can allow us more freedom with how to utilize the DL/OLB, then I'm cool with that

If we take Hamilton because he is BPA, then we have a killer tandem at Safety

If we trade back (not too far, hopefully), we'll have even more toys to play with

Just finally getting real...can't wait!

How far would you go?

We have a lot of needs, so as long as we get a good return I'm good with trading down into the 20s.

Make the regime work to identify good players.

Trade with KC: Get 29 and 30, maybe a 5th or 6th rounder to boot.

Then: 29 and our 3rd rounder for #21

#21 Kenyon Green, McDuffie, Booth Jr., Zion Johnson

#30 Booth Jr., Elam, McCreary, Linderbaum, Ojabo,

#46 Pitre, Muma, Winfrey, Ridder

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Ojabo