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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/26/2022 6:31:51 PM

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I'll guess McDuffie. Justifying him at 12 when the other guys are gone.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/26/2022 8:27:56 PM

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Any guesses on which player KAM believes he rates higher than every other GM?

you can bet it is the guy we'll take at 12

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/26/2022 9:52:08 PM

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Jameson Williams???

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/27/2022 1:36:20 AM

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i've decided that i want to draft jameson Williams with our first draft pick; alert the media....

get the best CB we can with our second pick....

I'm here as well, but partly because I think the top CBs will be gone. I think maybe a small trade back that could yield one of a few players while picking up a third or fourth might work, in which case a few more CBs and WRs could be in play. But if everything goes the way it seems it might, I could see Sauce and Stingley being gone and Williams being available, and that is the equivalent of getting a WR worthy of a top 7-8 pick at 12 by being willing to wait for him to recuperate.

Williams really looks like a special talent and to think of him and Jefferson together is just insane...plus, with wr contracts exploding more of them will be drafted early for their rookie deals....

i think that more and more teams are going to take the 'ultra-dynamic offense' approach over spending heavily on defense - because of the way the game has changed offenses are becoming indefensible....

i am still mildly resistant to the 'new' NFL, but then i watch a vikings' game from the '70s on youtube and it's like watching glue dry - i still love it, but it's more nostalgia than anything else....

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/27/2022 1:42:16 AM

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Jameson Williams???

yes!...it wouldn't surprise me if kansas city trades their first three picks to get him....

don't let it happen kwesi; get that guy....

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/27/2022 7:34:08 AM

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Jameson Williams???

yes!...it wouldn't surprise me if kansas city trades their first three picks to get him....
don't let it happen kwesi; get that guy....
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I was hoping they weren't going to draft a WR early until the smoke screen at the podium by Kwesi about McCardell's quote came up. Thinking a WR is in play.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/27/2022 8:31:53 AM

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Jameson Williams???

yes!...it wouldn't surprise me if kansas city trades their first three picks to get him....
don't let it happen kwesi; get that guy....
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I was hoping they weren't going to draft a WR early until the smoke screen at the podium by Kwesi about McCardell's quote came up. Thinking a WR is in play.

The Kwesi quote didnt seem like a smokescreen to me … more like teary self-congratulatory ‘I love it when a plan comes together’ shout out to collaboration …. as in McCardell pushing a CB he saw while watching WR prospects.

WR is absolutely in play but I hope not at 12. There is such a long way to go on the defense.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/27/2022 10:34:31 AM

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Defense was bad, so draft defense
Conversely, first see what the smatterings of the 3-4 produces so draft Offense
Conversely, secondary sucks and isn't part of the 3-4 so draft CB
Conversely, JJ will get QB money and Thielen is old so draft WR
Conversely, the D needs help everywhere so draft BDPA
Conversely, Cousins needs a lot of help so draft OL
Conversely, Zac and Hunter are a hit away from back/neck surgery so draft Edge
Conversely, we have a ton of needs so trade down
Conversely...

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/27/2022 10:48:49 AM

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Still wonder what Kwesi's M.O. is. Swing for the fences and take a potential gamechanger/freak/boom-bust type like Stingley, Williams, or Davis? Or play it safe and take a McDuffie type?

So far IMO his approach is play it safe, be methodical, and vanilla while seeking value. In his perfect world, commercials begin as soon as every Vikings pick is ready to be announced, and the networks have moved on without even 'catching up' on past picks.

Predicting he will successfully execute a small trade down and take McDuffie.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/27/2022 10:52:28 AM

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Still wonder what Kwesi's M.O. is. Swing for the fences and take a potential gamechanger/freak/boom-bust type like Stingley, Williams, or Davis? Or play it safe and take a McDuffie type?

So far IMO his approach is play it safe, be methodical, and vanilla while seeking value. In his perfect world, commercials begin as soon as every Vikings pick is ready to be announced, and the networks have moved on without even 'catching up' on past picks.

Predicting he will successfully execute a small trade down and take McDuffie.

ZoneCoverage tried to break it down and according to them he likes drafting DLine early and taking chances on DBs later.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/27/2022 11:04:05 AM

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Still wonder what Kwesi's M.O. is. Swing for the fences and take a potential gamechanger/freak/boom-bust type like Stingley, Williams, or Davis? Or play it safe and take a McDuffie type?

So far IMO his approach is play it safe, be methodical, and vanilla while seeking value. In his perfect world, commercials begin as soon as every Vikings pick is ready to be announced, and the networks have moved on without even 'catching up' on past picks.

Predicting he will successfully execute a small trade down and take McDuffie.

I'd be disappointed if Kwesi went with McDuffie. He sounds like he can be a very good pro, but he's not going to be a game changer. Conversely, Williams sounds like he has the potential to be another Justin Jefferson. Reports say that if not for the ACL injury he probably goes top 5. Throw in the fact that Theilen can no longer be relied upon to avoid injury and Williams would make a ton of sense at 12, then draft a CB in round 2.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/27/2022 11:14:22 AM

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Definitely would be thrilled to get Williams.
Go defense and a interior Ol the rest of the draft.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/27/2022 11:31:01 AM

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Williams would definitely be exciting, but the way that kid's knee snapped on a non contact cut, I would be nervous he is going to be that guy that has multiple torn ACL's that limit his career

I don't like the injury excuse most of the time, but those kinds of injuries scare me

Funny, because I still go after Stingley

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/27/2022 11:33:08 AM

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Still wonder what Kwesi's M.O. is. Swing for the fences and take a potential gamechanger/freak/boom-bust type like Stingley, Williams, or Davis? Or play it safe and take a McDuffie type?

So far IMO his approach is play it safe, be methodical, and vanilla while seeking value. In his perfect world, commercials begin as soon as every Vikings pick is ready to be announced, and the networks have moved on without even 'catching up' on past picks.

Predicting he will successfully execute a small trade down and take McDuffie.

ZoneCoverage tried to break it down and according to them he likes drafting DLine early and taking chances on DBs later.

Based on what???

He's a draft virgin.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/27/2022 11:38:11 AM

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Still wonder what Kwesi's M.O. is. Swing for the fences and take a potential gamechanger/freak/boom-bust type like Stingley, Williams, or Davis? Or play it safe and take a McDuffie type?

So far IMO his approach is play it safe, be methodical, and vanilla while seeking value. In his perfect world, commercials begin as soon as every Vikings pick is ready to be announced, and the networks have moved on without even 'catching up' on past picks.

Predicting he will successfully execute a small trade down and take McDuffie.

And I would be more than happy with that.

I think you are spot on about his approach based on the roster re-alignment so far ... if the usual suspects are off the board.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/27/2022 11:50:57 AM

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There is an excellent chance Williams will be gone before our pick.
I'm guessing we go with Stingley unless we execute a trade down.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/27/2022 12:06:30 PM

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Still wonder what Kwesi's M.O. is. Swing for the fences and take a potential gamechanger/freak/boom-bust type like Stingley, Williams, or Davis? Or play it safe and take a McDuffie type?

So far IMO his approach is play it safe, be methodical, and vanilla while seeking value. In his perfect world, commercials begin as soon as every Vikings pick is ready to be announced, and the networks have moved on without even 'catching up' on past picks.

Predicting he will successfully execute a small trade down and take McDuffie.

I'd be disappointed if Kwesi went with McDuffie. He sounds like he can be a very good pro, but he's not going to be a game changer. Conversely, Williams sounds like he has the potential to be another Justin Jefferson. Reports say that if not for the ACL injury he probably goes top 5. Throw in the fact that Theilen can no longer be relied upon to avoid injury and Williams would make a ton of sense at 12, then draft a CB in round 2.

Today, sure to change tomorrow, but I can't get excited about a one-year wonder WR in the first 15 picks that is freshly injured.

I' might take one of the Ohio St. dudes before Williams (who kept Williams on the bench before he transferred to Alabama). [later on, I would not take any of them at 12]

Did Williams look spectacular last year before the injury? yes (flying around, sudden, explosive). Before last year? No. At least he played well last year unlike Stingley.

With Stingley, you have to find a shovel and dig up one of those time capsules to see how he used to play.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/27/2022 2:03:03 PM

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Still wonder what Kwesi's M.O. is. Swing for the fences and take a potential gamechanger/freak/boom-bust type like Stingley, Williams, or Davis? Or play it safe and take a McDuffie type?

So far IMO his approach is play it safe, be methodical, and vanilla while seeking value. In his perfect world, commercials begin as soon as every Vikings pick is ready to be announced, and the networks have moved on without even 'catching up' on past picks.

Predicting he will successfully execute a small trade down and take McDuffie.

I'd be disappointed if Kwesi went with McDuffie. He sounds like he can be a very good pro, but he's not going to be a game changer. Conversely, Williams sounds like he has the potential to be another Justin Jefferson. Reports say that if not for the ACL injury he probably goes top 5. Throw in the fact that Theilen can no longer be relied upon to avoid injury and Williams would make a ton of sense at 12, then draft a CB in round 2.

Today, sure to change tomorrow, but I can't get excited about a one-year wonder WR in the first 15 picks that is freshly injured.

I' might take one of the Ohio St. dudes before Williams (who kept Williams on the bench before he transferred to Alabama). [later on, I would not take any of them at 12]

Did Williams look spectacular last year before the injury? yes (flying around, sudden, explosive). Before last year? No. At least he played well last year unlike Stingley.

With Stingley, you have to find a shovel and dig up one of those time capsules to see how he used to play.

You may have a point with Williams' year at Ohio St, but to say he was a one-year wonder at Alabama is a bit disingenuous. Look at who else was there:

In two straight NFL Drafts, the Crimson Tide had two first-round receivers — Jerry Jeudy and Henry Ruggs III in 2020, and Jaylen Waddle and DeVonta Smith in 2021.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/27/2022 3:16:52 PM

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Still wonder what Kwesi's M.O. is. Swing for the fences and take a potential gamechanger/freak/boom-bust type like Stingley, Williams, or Davis? Or play it safe and take a McDuffie type?

So far IMO his approach is play it safe, be methodical, and vanilla while seeking value. In his perfect world, commercials begin as soon as every Vikings pick is ready to be announced, and the networks have moved on without even 'catching up' on past picks.

Predicting he will successfully execute a small trade down and take McDuffie.

I'd be disappointed if Kwesi went with McDuffie. He sounds like he can be a very good pro, but he's not going to be a game changer. Conversely, Williams sounds like he has the potential to be another Justin Jefferson. Reports say that if not for the ACL injury he probably goes top 5. Throw in the fact that Theilen can no longer be relied upon to avoid injury and Williams would make a ton of sense at 12, then draft a CB in round 2.

Today, sure to change tomorrow, but I can't get excited about a one-year wonder WR in the first 15 picks that is freshly injured.

I' might take one of the Ohio St. dudes before Williams (who kept Williams on the bench before he transferred to Alabama). [later on, I would not take any of them at 12]

Did Williams look spectacular last year before the injury? yes (flying around, sudden, explosive). Before last year? No. At least he played well last year unlike Stingley.

With Stingley, you have to find a shovel and dig up one of those time capsules to see how he used to play.

You may have a point with Williams' year at Ohio St, but to say he was a one-year wonder at Alabama is a bit disingenuous. Look at who else was there:

In two straight NFL Drafts, the Crimson Tide had two first-round receivers — Jerry Jeudy and Henry Ruggs III in 2020, and Jaylen Waddle and DeVonta Smith in 2021.

Before starting in 2021, Williams played behind Chris Olave and Garrett Wilson for two seasons at OU. Yes, that is a stacked lineup. But ... 6 rec in 2019 as a reserve and 9 recs while starting 6 of 8 games in 2020 ... that doesn't raise any questions?

Then the spectacular 2021 at Alabama. Then the ACL tear Jan 10.

He may miss games this season, he will certainly miss the offseason. "Williams said at the NFL combine in early March that he was given a five-to-seven month timetable for recovery and that he was told he was 'ahead of schedule' at that point."

Which would make two seasons in row of drafting first rounders that limp into our season.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/27/2022 3:26:31 PM

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There is an excellent chance Williams will be gone before our pick.
I'm guessing we go with Stingley unless we execute a trade down.

i think that kwesi trades up for him...jameson williams on the vikings is such a game-changer - IMO he would give kwesi and o'connell instant success....

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/27/2022 3:52:44 PM

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There is an excellent chance Williams will be gone before our pick.
I'm guessing we go with Stingley unless we execute a trade down.

i think that kwesi trades up for him...jameson williams on the vikings is such a game-changer - IMO he would give kwesi and o'connell instant success....

I think trading up for any player of any flavor would be a grand mistake.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/27/2022 4:36:06 PM

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From all the mock drafts I've checked out, it appears that one (or more) of these guys will be available at 12:

WR - Jameson Williams
S - Kyle Hamilton
DE - Jermaine Johnson
CB - Derek Stingley Jr.

All positions of need for the Vikings, and all of them have the potential to be game changers. If one of them is there at 12, I hope Kwesi pulls the trigger instead of trading back.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/27/2022 4:44:15 PM

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This recent mock has Stingley going 3rd, never seen him mocked that high before:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2022-nfl-mock-draft-3-0-jets-trade-up-to-select-first-wide-receiver-derek-stingley-jr-soars-up-draft-board/

Not sure I like their choice of London for the Vikings, while passing over Hamilton. I would agree with whoever it was here earlier that stated a WR that doesn't have a lot of speed, where Kirk has to throw into tight spaces to him, probably isn't a good choice right now.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/27/2022 4:50:45 PM

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From all the mock drafts I've checked out, it appears that one (or more) of these guys will be available at 12:

WR - Jameson Williams
S - Kyle Hamilton
DE - Jermaine Johnson
CB - Derek Stingley Jr.

All positions of need for the Vikings, and all of them have the potential to be game changers. If one of them is there at 12, I hope Kwesi pulls the trigger instead of trading back.

I would be fine with a WR if there is a way to get CB Bradberry from the Giants for a middle round pick.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 4/27/2022 4:58:38 PM

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

From all the mock drafts I've checked out, it appears that one (or more) of these guys will be available at 12:

WR - Jameson Williams
S - Kyle Hamilton
DE - Jermaine Johnson
CB - Derek Stingley Jr.

All positions of need for the Vikings, and all of them have the potential to be game changers. If one of them is there at 12, I hope Kwesi pulls the trigger instead of trading back.

I would be fine with a WR if there is a way to get CB Bradberry from the Giants for a middle round pick.

I think trading for Bradberry is a real possibility. It would take pressure off feeling the necessity to draft cb early.

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