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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

This is mostly the "rebuild" portion of the competitive rebuild, so filling holes would not seem primary. There are no true holes, seemingly, in the eyes of the regime, even though many of us see center as a hole after watching Bradbury get tossed into Kirk's lap over and over. But there are depth needs almost everywhere and improvement needs, esp at CB. It's actually a pretty decent starting point in trying to peak in 1-3 years, since developmental prospects can provide depth without being counted on. If this was the only year to think about, I think two CBs in the first three rounds might be warranted, but it could be the third round before we take one depending on how things play out. One guy I'm very intrigued by with the second pick is Pitre, the safety from Baylor. Everyone seems to think he's a safety who can play nickel, so that combo could be helpful for depth and development. It also seems very possible that we take an edge early if the regime likes one, even though there is no starting role available. Rotational availability and depth as well as situating for the future.

That's absurd. Teams don't rebuild on a shoestring budget and without the full (minimum) compliment of draft picks.

We didn't necessarily go backwards, but it's not like we assembled a fleet of gamebreakers:
Barr - Zac
Pierce - Phillips
Woods - ?
Conklin - Mundt
Alexander - Sullivan
Hicks +
OL slugs - OL slugs and hope

As for "peaking" in 1-3 years (say 2 years) players like Cousins, Harrison Smith, Kendricks, Hicks, Thielen, and maybe Cook and Hunter either won't be around, well on the downside of their career, or cap casualties due to their contracts. Others are on 1-2 year contracts or don't have 2+ years left on existing contracts. And we'll likely be stuck with 20+ million in dead cap. Where is the blueprint or strategy for, well, anything down the road let alone peaking?

The draft is for rebuilding. FA so far has been filling holes and then bigger investments in Smith, Phillips, and the extensions/void years, and that was the competitive part. That keeps the floor, hopefully, at contending to get in the playoffs.

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ORIGINAL: marty

Looks like a nice plan Mark.

I read that besides QB, a couple of teams may want to move up to get a WR they're targeting. I saw one mock even had the Vikings trade away the pick, and the team that moved up took a CB ?? Maybe the Vikes weren't that excited about the same CB ?

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ORIGINAL: marty

Looks like a nice plan Mark.

I read that besides QB, a couple of teams may want to move up to get a WR they're targeting. I saw one mock even had the Vikings trade away the pick, and the team that moved up took a CB ?? Maybe the Vikes weren't that excited about the same CB ?

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: marty

Looks like a nice plan Mark.

I read that besides QB, a couple of teams may want to move up to get a WR they're targeting. I saw one mock even had the Vikings trade away the pick, and the team that moved up took a CB ?? Maybe the Vikes weren't that excited about the same CB ?

So you're guessing how the Vikings felt about a made up result by a stranger on an event that hasn't happened?

Do you read what you post?

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ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

not worried about the stingley injury status...this kid will be great imo...not sure he'll still be available

a trade down is fine if we still net mcduffie or booth, and pick up a third or more

i think all 4 of those cb's are legit 1st rounders

i don't like thinking in terms of stockpiling picks for a qb next year...

I think the writing is on the wall...Kirk is here till he's 40, so lets get him a defense and build around him

at this point he is a bargain qb, the way salaries have exploded

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ORIGINAL: David F.

This is a positive sign and an indication of a step in the right direction:


Will Ragatz
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Kwesi Adofo-Mensah: "I think volume (of draft picks) matters, but with whatever chart people are using, there's no amount of seventh-round picks that can equate to the value of that first-round pick."

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Ben Goessling
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Adofo-Mensah on stockpiling draft picks: “There’s no amount of seventh-round picks that will equal the value of the first pick.”

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ORIGINAL: Pauldiercks1

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ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

not worried about the stingley injury status...this kid will be great imo...not sure he'll still be available

a trade down is fine if we still net mcduffie or booth, and pick up a third or more

i think all 4 of those cb's are legit 1st rounders

i don't like thinking in terms of stockpiling picks for a qb next year...

I think the writing is on the wall...Kirk is here till he's 40, so lets get him a defense and build around him

at this point he is a bargain qb, the way salaries have exploded

I respect your opinion, as mine is just opinion also, however I absolutely love the idea of stockpiling picks for a QB next year. Future picks all day. I love the added value we get just by waiting one year. nobody in the NFL has the balls or job confidence anymore to plan more than 2 years out. Rare if a fan can plan more than 3 month out.
Cousins is not a bargain at all. He is not a QB that makes the players around him much better. He's a QB that needs help a LOT of help to win. We had Kirk last year to make our run and we are sitting at pick 12. where is the bargain in Kirk Cousins. We are not paying Mahomes, Rodgers, or Burrow and even at the salary those great QB's make or will make it gets tough to win.

I'm tired of rewinding the tape cassette only to hit play again and expect to hear an amazing new song on the tape never played before. You can insert 8-track tape too lol I am old enough to remember those also. I tired of good but really not all that good.

Starting fresh with a young cheap QB is far more appealing to me at this point. I'd be completely fine with 0-17 for three straight years to stockpile young talent and reset the salary mess. It is far easier to win with a young ascending QB than an older high priced one and your already kicking his salary can down the road.
I'm not sure of your age, I'm 52 winning 9 games is not success for me anymore and sneaking into the playoffs is also failure when your patching together a team in a salary cap mess. I have heard this same song enough, heard people not thinking long term enough to stockpile future picks.
trading for future picks is almost always increasing your value you just have to have the patience to wait. I said we should trade down down or trade a second or third round pick for a round higher pick virtually every year.

Somebody hit play on the way out.

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ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

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ORIGINAL: Pauldiercks1

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ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

not worried about the stingley injury status...this kid will be great imo...not sure he'll still be available

a trade down is fine if we still net mcduffie or booth, and pick up a third or more

i think all 4 of those cb's are legit 1st rounders

i don't like thinking in terms of stockpiling picks for a qb next year...

I think the writing is on the wall...Kirk is here till he's 40, so lets get him a defense and build around him

at this point he is a bargain qb, the way salaries have exploded

I respect your opinion, as mine is just opinion also, however I absolutely love the idea of stockpiling picks for a QB next year. Future picks all day. I love the added value we get just by waiting one year. nobody in the NFL has the balls or job confidence anymore to plan more than 2 years out. Rare if a fan can plan more than 3 month out.
Cousins is not a bargain at all. He is not a QB that makes the players around him much better. He's a QB that needs help a LOT of help to win. We had Kirk last year to make our run and we are sitting at pick 12. where is the bargain in Kirk Cousins. We are not paying Mahomes, Rodgers, or Burrow and even at the salary those great QB's make or will make it gets tough to win.

I'm tired of rewinding the tape cassette only to hit play again and expect to hear an amazing new song on the tape never played before. You can insert 8-track tape too lol I am old enough to remember those also. I tired of good but really not all that good.

Starting fresh with a young cheap QB is far more appealing to me at this point. I'd be completely fine with 0-17 for three straight years to stockpile young talent and reset the salary mess. It is far easier to win with a young ascending QB than an older high priced one and your already kicking his salary can down the road.
I'm not sure of your age, I'm 52 winning 9 games is not success for me anymore and sneaking into the playoffs is also failure when your patching together a team in a salary cap mess. I have heard this same song enough, heard people not thinking long term enough to stockpile future picks.
trading for future picks is almost always increasing your value you just have to have the patience to wait. I said we should trade down down or trade a second or third round pick for a round higher pick virtually every year.

Somebody hit play on the way out.

you are probably right

I probably agree with you

BUT, I don't think that is the thought in the GM room...and maybe that means we blew it with our hire...

I just think they are going to get 10 wins, maybe even a playoff win in the wild card rd

and they'll add another stud on defense and perhaps something else vital and think they are Super Bowl bound in year 2

and Kirk will retire a Viking in 7 years

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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i've decided that i want to draft jameson Williams with our first draft pick; alert the media....

get the best CB we can with our second pick....

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

Correct me if I'm wrong ... just trying to understand where our DL stands at this moment before I start adding hordes of DL into my draft challenge list.

Scheme wise, we are planning a 3-4 base but will often play a 4-2 in passing situations ... is that what 'people' are projecting?

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Tomlinson and Phillips (both are space eating run defenders)

4-2 DT or 3-4 DE
Watts and Lynch (Watts started 7 games at NT with Pierce out so he's versatile but he and Lunch are more 3 technique types)

4-2 DE / 3-4 OLB
Hunter, Smith, Wonnum, Willekes


DE types that may end up at 4-2 DE or 3-4 OLB
Janarius Robinson, Patrick Jones, Jaylen Twynum, TJ Smith

DT types that may end up at 4-2 DT or 3-4 DE
Julian Taylor, Scott Jordan, T.Y. McGill