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Our weakest starting links at this point are C and TE ... not that we'll find starter cometition in the fourth ...

would really like to take a stab at TE if Kolar is still there when we pick (maybe Otton, think we met with Bellinger).

dang there's not a lot of options this draft at center (Chasen Hines? Zach Tom?)

OT (Brandel, Udoh) is super thin.

CB Zyon McCollum 6-2 199 4.33 39.5 vert 3.94 20 yd shuttle - ballhawk with great measurables, big time gunner, has safety potential also

WR Shakir (6-0 196 4.43 - Inside gadget type with tremendous intangibles) or Calvin Austin (5-8 170 4.32 39"vert - tiny but fearless, super fast and can elevate / return punts)

I think we have depth at DE / OLB Jones Robinson Willekes Wonnum and DT Tomlinson Phillips Watts so maybe a pure Edge (Todd's Barno) or huge space eating NT (Ridgeway6-5 321, Farrell 6-4 330)

Some good names there. Especially Kolar and the 2 WRs.

There is a Tackle from UND that could be there in 6th or 7th.

A trade up for Winfrey would be nice.

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word is that reed has been taking some snaps at center...it would be great if right guard was a competition between ingram and wyatt davis, and reed versus bradbury in the middle....

i'm still a little disappointed about not drafting jameson Williams, but the truth is, kwesi did what i always wanted spielman to do; trade back and focus on the 2nd round, and he damn near almost ended up with four 2nd round picks....

Yes, good point.

Kwesi doesn't have a track record so it's hard to judge how well he did with big reach Ingram and small reach Asamoah ... but its hard to argue with the positions we addressed also.

Some say Ingram is stout in pass protection, but not great at the second level. Clearly not someone we would have been interested in during the Kubiak era. Character issues aside, I'm glad we're trying something different.

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I think Kwesi and Co had a distinct plan that if certain guys weren't available they had ID'd as game changers (at need positions) they were going to move back and get those 2nd rounders in this bigger than usual draft class...and extra picks, too

They targeted defensive backfield, OL and speed

You can quibble over the style, trading with division rivals, and which specific players, but I love it overall!

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ORIGINAL: Murph

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word is that reed has been taking some snaps at center...it would be great if right guard was a competition between ingram and wyatt davis, and reed versus bradbury in the middle....

i'm still a little disappointed about not drafting jameson Williams, but the truth is, kwesi did what i always wanted spielman to do; trade back and focus on the 2nd round, and he damn near almost ended up with four 2nd round picks....

Yes, good point.

Kwesi doesn't have a track record so it's hard to judge how well he did with big reach Ingram and small reach Asamoah ... but its hard to argue with the positions we addressed also.

Some say Ingram is stout in pass protection, but not great at the second level. Clearly not someone we would have been interested in during the Kubiak era. Character issues aside, I'm glad we're trying something different.

But we really haven't done anything different, we still have multiple 6's and a 7th.

What would have been different and excited me is if we had Williams plus everyone we drafted and only one or 2 picks today. I wouldn't even care if that was our entire draft and had no picks today.

Just once, I'd like to see a draft where we make multiple trades and all of them are trade ups and end up with 6 or less picks.

Quality over quantity.

Now that would be different. This feels like same ole same old.

We have a lot of holes to fill. Our secondary was easily bottom 5. Booth and Cine seem like quality.

I could see an argument of going Hamilton and then getting Booth at 46 or with a slight trade up.

Then they should have traded Cousins, Smith and Thielen for more picks. And more cap room to sign FA's.

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ORIGINAL: Murph

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ORIGINAL: Murph

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word is that reed has been taking some snaps at center...it would be great if right guard was a competition between ingram and wyatt davis, and reed versus bradbury in the middle....

i'm still a little disappointed about not drafting jameson Williams, but the truth is, kwesi did what i always wanted spielman to do; trade back and focus on the 2nd round, and he damn near almost ended up with four 2nd round picks....

Yes, good point.

Kwesi doesn't have a track record so it's hard to judge how well he did with big reach Ingram and small reach Asamoah ... but its hard to argue with the positions we addressed also.

Some say Ingram is stout in pass protection, but not great at the second level. Clearly not someone we would have been interested in during the Kubiak era. Character issues aside, I'm glad we're trying something different.

But we really haven't done anything different, we still have multiple 6's and a 7th.

What would have been different and excited me is if we had Williams plus everyone we drafted and only one or 2 picks today. I wouldn't even care if that was our entire draft and had no picks today.

Just once, I'd like to see a draft where we make multiple trades and all of them are trade ups and end up with 6 or less picks.

Quality over quantity.

Now that would be different. This feels like same ole same old.

I'm not sure if Jameson Williams is a slam dunk.

He was the 4th WR selected and a team(Saints) with a pretty good GM moved up to grab Olave instead of him.

I agree but he has the potential to be the best player in the draft too. He wasn't the only player we passed on, there were 19 others. I think we could have gotten Cine with our 2nd or a player very comparable. Jalne Pitre for example. Or made a small trade up for him.

I don't care what chart you use Kwesi got schooled, big time. No one in Detroit is complaining about the trade?

It feels like we lost a first round pick in this draft.

Yep.

We should have kept 46. Probably just went 12 for 32 and 34.

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word is that reed has been taking some snaps at center...it would be great if right guard was a competition between ingram and wyatt davis, and reed versus bradbury in the middle....

i'm still a little disappointed about not drafting jameson Williams, but the truth is, kwesi did what i always wanted spielman to do; trade back and focus on the 2nd round, and he damn near almost ended up with four 2nd round picks....

Yes, good point.

Kwesi doesn't have a track record so it's hard to judge how well he did with big reach Ingram and small reach Asamoah ... but its hard to argue with the positions we addressed also.

Some say Ingram is stout in pass protection, but not great at the second level. Clearly not someone we would have been interested in during the Kubiak era. Character issues aside, I'm glad we're trying something different.

But we really haven't done anything different, we still have multiple 6's and a 7th.

What would have been different and excited me is if we had Williams plus everyone we drafted and only one or 2 picks today. I wouldn't even care if that was our entire draft and had no picks today.

Just once, I'd like to see a draft where we make multiple trades and all of them are trade ups and end up with 6 or less picks.

Quality over quantity.

Now that would be different. This feels like same ole same old.

We have a lot of holes to fill. Our secondary was easily bottom 5. Booth and Cine seem like quality.

I could see an argument of going Hamilton and then getting Booth at 46 or with a slight trade up.

Then they should have traded Cousins, Smith and Thielen for more picks. And more cap room to sign FA's.

The Wilfs want to make the playoffs, so that nixed a teardown. It was a mixed approach, which might not be optimal, but that was the situation on the ground.

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word is that reed has been taking some snaps at center...it would be great if right guard was a competition between ingram and wyatt davis, and reed versus bradbury in the middle....

i'm still a little disappointed about not drafting jameson Williams, but the truth is, kwesi did what i always wanted spielman to do; trade back and focus on the 2nd round, and he damn near almost ended up with four 2nd round picks....

Yes, good point.

Kwesi doesn't have a track record so it's hard to judge how well he did with big reach Ingram and small reach Asamoah ... but its hard to argue with the positions we addressed also.

Some say Ingram is stout in pass protection, but not great at the second level. Clearly not someone we would have been interested in during the Kubiak era. Character issues aside, I'm glad we're trying something different.

But we really haven't done anything different, we still have multiple 6's and a 7th.

What would have been different and excited me is if we had Williams plus everyone we drafted and only one or 2 picks today. I wouldn't even care if that was our entire draft and had no picks today.

Just once, I'd like to see a draft where we make multiple trades and all of them are trade ups and end up with 6 or less picks.

Quality over quantity.

Now that would be different. This feels like same ole same old.

I'm not sure if Jameson Williams is a slam dunk.

He was the 4th WR selected and a team(Saints) with a pretty good GM moved up to grab Olave instead of him.

I agree but he has the potential to be the best player in the draft too. He wasn't the only player we passed on, there were 19 others. I think we could have gotten Cine with our 2nd or a player very comparable. Jalne Pitre for example. Or made a small trade up for him.

I don't care what chart you use Kwesi got schooled, big time. No one in Detroit is complaining about the trade?

It feels like we lost a first round pick in this draft.

Yep.

We should have kept 46. Probably just went 12 for 32 and 34.

Can't do that if the other party won't, though; you can't make a deal that's not on the table.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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Our weakest starting links at this point are C and TE ... not that we'll find starter cometition in the fourth ...

would really like to take a stab at TE if Kolar is still there when we pick (maybe Otton, think we met with Bellinger).

dang there's not a lot of options this draft at center (Chasen Hines? Zach Tom?)

OT (Brandel, Udoh) is super thin.

CB Zyon McCollum 6-2 199 4.33 39.5 vert 3.94 20 yd shuttle - ballhawk with great measurables, big time gunner, has safety potential also

WR Shakir (6-0 196 4.43 - Inside gadget type with tremendous intangibles) or Calvin Austin (5-8 170 4.32 39"vert - tiny but fearless, super fast and can elevate / return punts)

I think we have depth at DE / OLB Jones Robinson Willekes Wonnum and DT Tomlinson Phillips Watts so maybe a pure Edge (Todd's Barno) or huge space eating NT (Ridgeway6-5 321, Farrell 6-4 330)

Some good names there. Especially Kolar and the 2 WRs.

There is a Tackle from UND that could be there in 6th or 7th.

A trade up for Winfrey would be nice.

I have my fingers crossed for Austin, and I'd move up for him. PR value plus some degree of dynamism from the slot.

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word is that reed has been taking some snaps at center...it would be great if right guard was a competition between ingram and wyatt davis, and reed versus bradbury in the middle....

i'm still a little disappointed about not drafting jameson Williams, but the truth is, kwesi did what i always wanted spielman to do; trade back and focus on the 2nd round, and he damn near almost ended up with four 2nd round picks....

Yes, good point.

Kwesi doesn't have a track record so it's hard to judge how well he did with big reach Ingram and small reach Asamoah ... but its hard to argue with the positions we addressed also.

Some say Ingram is stout in pass protection, but not great at the second level. Clearly not someone we would have been interested in during the Kubiak era. Character issues aside, I'm glad we're trying something different.

But we really haven't done anything different, we still have multiple 6's and a 7th.

What would have been different and excited me is if we had Williams plus everyone we drafted and only one or 2 picks today. I wouldn't even care if that was our entire draft and had no picks today.

Just once, I'd like to see a draft where we make multiple trades and all of them are trade ups and end up with 6 or less picks.

Quality over quantity.

Now that would be different. This feels like same ole same old.

I'm not sure if Jameson Williams is a slam dunk.

He was the 4th WR selected and a team(Saints) with a pretty good GM moved up to grab Olave instead of him.

I agree but he has the potential to be the best player in the draft too. He wasn't the only player we passed on, there were 19 others. I think we could have gotten Cine with our 2nd or a player very comparable. Jalne Pitre for example. Or made a small trade up for him.

I don't care what chart you use Kwesi got schooled, big time. No one in Detroit is complaining about the trade?

It feels like we lost a first round pick in this draft.

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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word is that reed has been taking some snaps at center...it would be great if right guard was a competition between ingram and wyatt davis, and reed versus bradbury in the middle....

i'm still a little disappointed about not drafting jameson Williams, but the truth is, kwesi did what i always wanted spielman to do; trade back and focus on the 2nd round, and he damn near almost ended up with four 2nd round picks....

Yes, good point.

Kwesi doesn't have a track record so it's hard to judge how well he did with big reach Ingram and small reach Asamoah ... but its hard to argue with the positions we addressed also.

Some say Ingram is stout in pass protection, but not great at the second level. Clearly not someone we would have been interested in during the Kubiak era. Character issues aside, I'm glad we're trying something different.

But we really haven't done anything different, we still have multiple 6's and a 7th.

What would have been different and excited me is if we had Williams plus everyone we drafted and only one or 2 picks today. I wouldn't even care if that was our entire draft and had no picks today.

Just once, I'd like to see a draft where we make multiple trades and all of them are trade ups and end up with 6 or less picks.

Quality over quantity.

Now that would be different. This feels like same ole same old.

I'm not sure if Jameson Williams is a slam dunk.

He was the 4th WR selected and a team(Saints) with a pretty good GM moved up to grab Olave instead of him.

I agree but he has the potential to be the best player in the draft too. He wasn't the only player we passed on, there were 19 others. I think we could have gotten Cine with our 2nd or a player very comparable. Jalne Pitre for example. Or made a small trade up for him.

I don't care what chart you use Kwesi got schooled, big time. No one in Detroit is complaining about the trade?

It feels like we lost a first round pick in this draft.

Yep.

We should have kept 46. Probably just went 12 for 32 and 34.

Can't do that if the other party won't, though; you can't make a deal that's not on the table.

Detroit's GM pretty well acknowledged that they were surprised at how little Kwesi asked for when the Lions called and they jumped on it. Regardless of what the charts say, KAM could have gotten more.

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Murph

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Murph

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word is that reed has been taking some snaps at center...it would be great if right guard was a competition between ingram and wyatt davis, and reed versus bradbury in the middle....

i'm still a little disappointed about not drafting jameson Williams, but the truth is, kwesi did what i always wanted spielman to do; trade back and focus on the 2nd round, and he damn near almost ended up with four 2nd round picks....

Yes, good point.

Kwesi doesn't have a track record so it's hard to judge how well he did with big reach Ingram and small reach Asamoah ... but its hard to argue with the positions we addressed also.

Some say Ingram is stout in pass protection, but not great at the second level. Clearly not someone we would have been interested in during the Kubiak era. Character issues aside, I'm glad we're trying something different.

But we really haven't done anything different, we still have multiple 6's and a 7th.

What would have been different and excited me is if we had Williams plus everyone we drafted and only one or 2 picks today. I wouldn't even care if that was our entire draft and had no picks today.

Just once, I'd like to see a draft where we make multiple trades and all of them are trade ups and end up with 6 or less picks.

Quality over quantity.

Now that would be different. This feels like same ole same old.

I'm not sure if Jameson Williams is a slam dunk.

He was the 4th WR selected and a team(Saints) with a pretty good GM moved up to grab Olave instead of him.

I agree but he has the potential to be the best player in the draft too. He wasn't the only player we passed on, there were 19 others. I think we could have gotten Cine with our 2nd or a player very comparable. Jalne Pitre for example. Or made a small trade up for him.

I don't care what chart you use Kwesi got schooled, big time. No one in Detroit is complaining about the trade?

It feels like we lost a first round pick in this draft.

Yep.

We should have kept 46. Probably just went 12 for 32 and 34.

Can't do that if the other party won't, though; you can't make a deal that's not on the table.

Detroit's GM pretty well acknowledged that they were surprised at how little Kwesi asked for when the Lions called and they jumped on it. Regardless of what the charts say, KAM could have gotten more.

Inexperienced GM and got taken advantage of

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Murph

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word is that reed has been taking some snaps at center...it would be great if right guard was a competition between ingram and wyatt davis, and reed versus bradbury in the middle....

i'm still a little disappointed about not drafting jameson Williams, but the truth is, kwesi did what i always wanted spielman to do; trade back and focus on the 2nd round, and he damn near almost ended up with four 2nd round picks....

Yes, good point.

Kwesi doesn't have a track record so it's hard to judge how well he did with big reach Ingram and small reach Asamoah ... but its hard to argue with the positions we addressed also.

Some say Ingram is stout in pass protection, but not great at the second level. Clearly not someone we would have been interested in during the Kubiak era. Character issues aside, I'm glad we're trying something different.

But we really haven't done anything different, we still have multiple 6's and a 7th.

What would have been different and excited me is if we had Williams plus everyone we drafted and only one or 2 picks today. I wouldn't even care if that was our entire draft and had no picks today.

Just once, I'd like to see a draft where we make multiple trades and all of them are trade ups and end up with 6 or less picks.

Quality over quantity.

Now that would be different. This feels like same ole same old.

I'm not sure if Jameson Williams is a slam dunk.

He was the 4th WR selected and a team(Saints) with a pretty good GM moved up to grab Olave instead of him.

I agree but he has the potential to be the best player in the draft too. He wasn't the only player we passed on, there were 19 others. I think we could have gotten Cine with our 2nd or a player very comparable. Jalne Pitre for example. Or made a small trade up for him.

I don't care what chart you use Kwesi got schooled, big time. No one in Detroit is complaining about the trade?

It feels like we lost a first round pick in this draft.

Yep.

We should have kept 46. Probably just went 12 for 32 and 34.

Can't do that if the other party won't, though; you can't make a deal that's not on the table.

Detroit's GM pretty well acknowledged that they were surprised at how little Kwesi asked for when the Lions called and they jumped on it. Regardless of what the charts say, KAM could have gotten more.

Inexperienced GM and got taken advantage of

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Murph

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Murph

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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word is that reed has been taking some snaps at center...it would be great if right guard was a competition between ingram and wyatt davis, and reed versus bradbury in the middle....

i'm still a little disappointed about not drafting jameson Williams, but the truth is, kwesi did what i always wanted spielman to do; trade back and focus on the 2nd round, and he damn near almost ended up with four 2nd round picks....

Yes, good point.

Kwesi doesn't have a track record so it's hard to judge how well he did with big reach Ingram and small reach Asamoah ... but its hard to argue with the positions we addressed also.

Some say Ingram is stout in pass protection, but not great at the second level. Clearly not someone we would have been interested in during the Kubiak era. Character issues aside, I'm glad we're trying something different.

But we really haven't done anything different, we still have multiple 6's and a 7th.

What would have been different and excited me is if we had Williams plus everyone we drafted and only one or 2 picks today. I wouldn't even care if that was our entire draft and had no picks today.

Just once, I'd like to see a draft where we make multiple trades and all of them are trade ups and end up with 6 or less picks.

Quality over quantity.

Now that would be different. This feels like same ole same old.

I'm not sure if Jameson Williams is a slam dunk.

He was the 4th WR selected and a team(Saints) with a pretty good GM moved up to grab Olave instead of him.

I agree but he has the potential to be the best player in the draft too. He wasn't the only player we passed on, there were 19 others. I think we could have gotten Cine with our 2nd or a player very comparable. Jalne Pitre for example. Or made a small trade up for him.

I don't care what chart you use Kwesi got schooled, big time. No one in Detroit is complaining about the trade?

It feels like we lost a first round pick in this draft.

Yep.

We should have kept 46. Probably just went 12 for 32 and 34.

Can't do that if the other party won't, though; you can't make a deal that's not on the table.

Detroit's GM pretty well acknowledged that they were surprised at how little Kwesi asked for when the Lions called and they jumped on it. Regardless of what the charts say, KAM could have gotten more.

Inexperienced GM and got taken advantage of

Yep. Kwesi's chart may have said that was fair value. It didn’t occur to him to ask for more. And again, it wasn't THAT bad.

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I love the courage to trade with division rivals. It's refreshing. However, I hated the value of the Detroit trade. We fleeced the Pukers.

I don't know if it's courage but it doesn't bother me - Gee, you can't do that? Why? Because we never do that ....

GB most probably would of got their guy one way or another anyway ...

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word is that reed has been taking some snaps at center...it would be great if right guard was a competition between ingram and wyatt davis, and reed versus bradbury in the middle....

i'm still a little disappointed about not drafting jameson Williams, but the truth is, kwesi did what i always wanted spielman to do; trade back and focus on the 2nd round, and he damn near almost ended up with four 2nd round picks....

Yes, good point.

Kwesi doesn't have a track record so it's hard to judge how well he did with big reach Ingram and small reach Asamoah ... but its hard to argue with the positions we addressed also.

Some say Ingram is stout in pass protection, but not great at the second level. Clearly not someone we would have been interested in during the Kubiak era. Character issues aside, I'm glad we're trying something different.

But we really haven't done anything different, we still have multiple 6's and a 7th.

What would have been different and excited me is if we had Williams plus everyone we drafted and only one or 2 picks today. I wouldn't even care if that was our entire draft and had no picks today.

Just once, I'd like to see a draft where we make multiple trades and all of them are trade ups and end up with 6 or less picks.

Quality over quantity.

Now that would be different. This feels like same ole same old.

I'm not sure if Jameson Williams is a slam dunk.

He was the 4th WR selected and a team(Saints) with a pretty good GM moved up to grab Olave instead of him.

I agree but he has the potential to be the best player in the draft too. He wasn't the only player we passed on, there were 19 others. I think we could have gotten Cine with our 2nd or a player very comparable. Jalne Pitre for example. Or made a small trade up for him.

I don't care what chart you use Kwesi got schooled, big time. No one in Detroit is complaining about the trade?

It feels like we lost a first round pick in this draft.

Yep.

We should have kept 46. Probably just went 12 for 32 and 34.

Can't do that if the other party won't, though; you can't make a deal that's not on the table.

Detroit's GM pretty well acknowledged that they were surprised at how little Kwesi asked for when the Lions called and they jumped on it. Regardless of what the charts say, KAM could have gotten more.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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word is that reed has been taking some snaps at center...it would be great if right guard was a competition between ingram and wyatt davis, and reed versus bradbury in the middle....

i'm still a little disappointed about not drafting jameson Williams, but the truth is, kwesi did what i always wanted spielman to do; trade back and focus on the 2nd round, and he damn near almost ended up with four 2nd round picks....

Yes, good point.

Kwesi doesn't have a track record so it's hard to judge how well he did with big reach Ingram and small reach Asamoah ... but its hard to argue with the positions we addressed also.

Some say Ingram is stout in pass protection, but not great at the second level. Clearly not someone we would have been interested in during the Kubiak era. Character issues aside, I'm glad we're trying something different.

But we really haven't done anything different, we still have multiple 6's and a 7th.

What would have been different and excited me is if we had Williams plus everyone we drafted and only one or 2 picks today. I wouldn't even care if that was our entire draft and had no picks today.

Just once, I'd like to see a draft where we make multiple trades and all of them are trade ups and end up with 6 or less picks.

Quality over quantity.

Now that would be different. This feels like same ole same old.

I'm not sure if Jameson Williams is a slam dunk.

He was the 4th WR selected and a team(Saints) with a pretty good GM moved up to grab Olave instead of him.

I agree but he has the potential to be the best player in the draft too. He wasn't the only player we passed on, there were 19 others. I think we could have gotten Cine with our 2nd or a player very comparable. Jalne Pitre for example. Or made a small trade up for him.

I don't care what chart you use Kwesi got schooled, big time. No one in Detroit is complaining about the trade?

It feels like we lost a first round pick in this draft.

Yep.

We should have kept 46. Probably just went 12 for 32 and 34.

Can't do that if the other party won't, though; you can't make a deal that's not on the table.

Detroit's GM pretty well acknowledged that they were surprised at how little Kwesi asked for when the Lions called and they jumped on it. Regardless of what the charts say, KAM could have gotten more.

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word is that reed has been taking some snaps at center...it would be great if right guard was a competition between ingram and wyatt davis, and reed versus bradbury in the middle....

i'm still a little disappointed about not drafting jameson Williams, but the truth is, kwesi did what i always wanted spielman to do; trade back and focus on the 2nd round, and he damn near almost ended up with four 2nd round picks....

Yes, good point.

Kwesi doesn't have a track record so it's hard to judge how well he did with big reach Ingram and small reach Asamoah ... but its hard to argue with the positions we addressed also.

Some say Ingram is stout in pass protection, but not great at the second level. Clearly not someone we would have been interested in during the Kubiak era. Character issues aside, I'm glad we're trying something different.

But we really haven't done anything different, we still have multiple 6's and a 7th.

What would have been different and excited me is if we had Williams plus everyone we drafted and only one or 2 picks today. I wouldn't even care if that was our entire draft and had no picks today.

Just once, I'd like to see a draft where we make multiple trades and all of them are trade ups and end up with 6 or less picks.

Quality over quantity.

Now that would be different. This feels like same ole same old.

I'm not sure if Jameson Williams is a slam dunk.

He was the 4th WR selected and a team(Saints) with a pretty good GM moved up to grab Olave instead of him.

I agree but he has the potential to be the best player in the draft too. He wasn't the only player we passed on, there were 19 others. I think we could have gotten Cine with our 2nd or a player very comparable. Jalne Pitre for example. Or made a small trade up for him.

I don't care what chart you use Kwesi got schooled, big time. No one in Detroit is complaining about the trade?

It feels like we lost a first round pick in this draft.

Yep.

We should have kept 46. Probably just went 12 for 32 and 34.

Can't do that if the other party won't, though; you can't make a deal that's not on the table.

Detroit's GM pretty well acknowledged that they were surprised at how little Kwesi asked for when the Lions called and they jumped on it. Regardless of what the charts say, KAM could have gotten more.

Inexperienced GM and got taken advantage of

Yep. Kwesi's chart may have said that was fair value. It didn’t occur to him to ask for more. And again, it wasn't THAT bad.