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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/21/2022 12:28:20 PM   
Bill Johanesen


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Trade up, down, sideways and go CB - IOL- CB in the 20-40 range (picks 21, 30, 42).

< Message edited by Bill Johanesen -- 3/21/2022 12:32:46 PM >
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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/21/2022 1:17:21 PM   
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You gotta have corners. If you don't, you aren't stopping anyone in the year 2022.

You can have all of the defensive linemen you want. If you can't cover, you're dead. A great corner will make an average defensive lineman look good. It doesn't work the other way around.

Give me Aaron Donald over Jalen Ramsey every day of the week.

Only SB teams(off of the top of my head) where the corners outshined the DLine was maybe Raiders(Haynes, Hayes).
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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/21/2022 2:23:10 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

You gotta have corners. If you don't, you aren't stopping anyone in the year 2022.

You can have all of the defensive linemen you want. If you can't cover, you're dead. A great corner will make an average defensive lineman look good. It doesn't work the other way around.


I think the worst part was investing in Alexander and Breeland last year. Took a year of development from Dantzler and Boyd.

Draft 3-4 and go from there. Peterson may be back and New Def Cord may have influence on a couple of FA; some decent players out there yet:

CB Stephon Gilmore 31
CB Bryce Callahan 30 (slot)
CB Patrick Peterson 31
CB K’Waun Williams (slot)
CB Kyle Fuller 30
CB Mike Hughes 25
CB Kevin King 26
CB Chandon Sullivan 25
S Jayron Kearse 28
S Terrell Edmunds 25
S Ronnie Harrison 24
S Deshon Elliot 24
C JC Tretter 31
C Nick Martin 28
G/T Billy Turner 30
G Will Hernandez 26

Nice. Slide free agents sideways into the draft thread since the’ve been quarantined like a bad variant on the sterile FA thread.


The important thing is he got their ages in. Oh how he'd love a hot 21 year old FA.


The site on Daily Norseman has the ages....is that an issue? Most teams do try to get younger except the Lakers.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/21/2022 2:46:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

You gotta have corners. If you don't, you aren't stopping anyone in the year 2022.

You can have all of the defensive linemen you want. If you can't cover, you're dead. A great corner will make an average defensive lineman look good. It doesn't work the other way around.

Give me Aaron Donald over Jalen Ramsey every day of the week.

Only SB teams(off of the top of my head) where the corners outshined the DLine was maybe Raiders(Haynes, Hayes).

Define outshined.

The best corner is a guy where you almost never hear his name. You know he's doing his job. A good defensive lineman will always get a ton of credit for sacks and have his name called, or show up on SportsCenter, because of the nature of the position.

There was a day when defensive linemen were the most critical element of a defense. That day is long gone. They have to be decent, but they don't have to be great. If you don't have corners, you are dead before the season even starts.

In the case of the Rams, both Jalen Ramsey and Aaron Donald are freakishly good at what they do. It's the perfect combination.

< Message edited by Brad H -- 3/21/2022 2:49:12 PM >


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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/21/2022 3:13:08 PM   
Bill Johanesen


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

You gotta have corners. If you don't, you aren't stopping anyone in the year 2022.

You can have all of the defensive linemen you want. If you can't cover, you're dead. A great corner will make an average defensive lineman look good. It doesn't work the other way around.


I think the worst part was investing in Alexander and Breeland last year. Took a year of development from Dantzler and Boyd.

Draft 3-4 and go from there. Peterson may be back and New Def Cord may have influence on a couple of FA; some decent players out there yet:

CB Stephon Gilmore 31
CB Bryce Callahan 30 (slot)
CB Patrick Peterson 31
CB K’Waun Williams (slot)
CB Kyle Fuller 30
CB Mike Hughes 25
CB Kevin King 26
CB Chandon Sullivan 25
S Jayron Kearse 28
S Terrell Edmunds 25
S Ronnie Harrison 24
S Deshon Elliot 24
C JC Tretter 31
C Nick Martin 28
G/T Billy Turner 30
G Will Hernandez 26

Nice. Slide free agents sideways into the draft thread since the’ve been quarantined like a bad variant on the sterile FA thread.


The important thing is he got their ages in. Oh how he'd love a hot 21 year old FA.


The site on Daily Norseman has the ages....is that an issue? Most teams do try to get younger except the Lakers.


Go Dodgers!
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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/21/2022 3:30:44 PM   
Tom Sykes

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

You gotta have corners. If you don't, you aren't stopping anyone in the year 2022.

You can have all of the defensive linemen you want. If you can't cover, you're dead. A great corner will make an average defensive lineman look good. It doesn't work the other way around.


I think the worst part was investing in Alexander and Breeland last year. Took a year of development from Dantzler and Boyd.

Draft 3-4 and go from there. Peterson may be back and New Def Cord may have influence on a couple of FA; some decent players out there yet:

CB Stephon Gilmore 31
CB Bryce Callahan 30 (slot)
CB Patrick Peterson 31
CB K’Waun Williams (slot)
CB Kyle Fuller 30
CB Mike Hughes 25
CB Kevin King 26
CB Chandon Sullivan 25
S Jayron Kearse 28
S Terrell Edmunds 25
S Ronnie Harrison 24
S Deshon Elliot 24
C JC Tretter 31
C Nick Martin 28
G/T Billy Turner 30
G Will Hernandez 26

Nice. Slide free agents sideways into the draft thread since the’ve been quarantined like a bad variant on the sterile FA thread.


The important thing is he got their ages in. Oh how he'd love a hot 21 year old FA.


The site on Daily Norseman has the ages....is that an issue? Most teams do try to get younger except the Lakers.

If you were a talkvikes supervisor ypur deplorable age discrimination would have got you canned long ago.

Baby Pierce Phillips and now this .. you probably put more weight on youth than position.
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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/21/2022 3:48:20 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

You gotta have corners. If you don't, you aren't stopping anyone in the year 2022.

You can have all of the defensive linemen you want. If you can't cover, you're dead. A great corner will make an average defensive lineman look good. It doesn't work the other way around.


I think the worst part was investing in Alexander and Breeland last year. Took a year of development from Dantzler and Boyd.

Draft 3-4 and go from there. Peterson may be back and New Def Cord may have influence on a couple of FA; some decent players out there yet:

CB Stephon Gilmore 31
CB Bryce Callahan 30 (slot)
CB Patrick Peterson 31
CB K’Waun Williams (slot)
CB Kyle Fuller 30
CB Mike Hughes 25
CB Kevin King 26
CB Chandon Sullivan 25
S Jayron Kearse 28
S Terrell Edmunds 25
S Ronnie Harrison 24
S Deshon Elliot 24
C JC Tretter 31
C Nick Martin 28
G/T Billy Turner 30
G Will Hernandez 26

Nice. Slide free agents sideways into the draft thread since the’ve been quarantined like a bad variant on the sterile FA thread.


The important thing is he got their ages in. Oh how he'd love a hot 21 year old FA.


The site on Daily Norseman has the ages....is that an issue? Most teams do try to get younger except the Lakers.

If you were a talkvikes supervisor ypur deplorable age discrimination would have got you canned long ago.

Baby Pierce Phillips and now this .. you probably put more weight on youth than position.


No, I feel it isn't time to overpay and I was against it for two other veterans also (Smith and Thielen). The replacement player for Pierce was rated better, cheaper, and 3-4 years younger....but apparently you two feel the need to keep your focus and narrative on age.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/21/2022 4:57:41 PM   
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I feel it isn't time to overpay



It isn't the time to "overpay"?? With what? $1.2 million remaining cap and no cap to sign the rookies?

Reminds me of when Costanza asked Susan to sign a prenup. ~ I make more money than you, sure I'll sign it. A prenup LMAO.
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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/21/2022 5:07:42 PM   
Tom Sykes

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

You gotta have corners. If you don't, you aren't stopping anyone in the year 2022.

You can have all of the defensive linemen you want. If you can't cover, you're dead. A great corner will make an average defensive lineman look good. It doesn't work the other way around.


I think the worst part was investing in Alexander and Breeland last year. Took a year of development from Dantzler and Boyd.

Draft 3-4 and go from there. Peterson may be back and New Def Cord may have influence on a couple of FA; some decent players out there yet:

CB Stephon Gilmore 31
CB Bryce Callahan 30 (slot)
CB Patrick Peterson 31
CB K’Waun Williams (slot)
CB Kyle Fuller 30
CB Mike Hughes 25
CB Kevin King 26
CB Chandon Sullivan 25
S Jayron Kearse 28
S Terrell Edmunds 25
S Ronnie Harrison 24
S Deshon Elliot 24
C JC Tretter 31
C Nick Martin 28
G/T Billy Turner 30
G Will Hernandez 26

Nice. Slide free agents sideways into the draft thread since the’ve been quarantined like a bad variant on the sterile FA thread.


The important thing is he got their ages in. Oh how he'd love a hot 21 year old FA.


The site on Daily Norseman has the ages....is that an issue? Most teams do try to get younger except the Lakers.

If you were a talkvikes supervisor ypur deplorable age discrimination would have got you canned long ago.

Baby Pierce Phillips and now this .. you probably put more weight on youth than position.


No, I feel it isn't time to overpay and I was against it for two other veterans also (Smith and Thielen). The replacement player for Pierce was rated better, cheaper, and 3-4 years younger....but apparently you two feel the need to keep your focus and narrative on age.

Bill has a perverse sense of humor.

I defend the rights of all.

You're into ... I don't even want to know ... but I'm sure there's league officials out there working to prevent it.

AND 3-4 years / one season difference is nothing, you treat it like they come from different generations. Phillips has a ways to go to prove he's a long haul starter. He's only done it in spurts.
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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/21/2022 5:40:21 PM   
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I feel it isn't time to overpay



It isn't the time to "overpay"?? With what? $1.2 million remaining cap and no cap to sign the rookies?

Reminds me of when Costanza asked Susan to sign a prenup. ~ I make more money than you, sure I'll sign it. A prenup LMAO.


"The Pick"
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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/21/2022 7:51:03 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

I feel it isn't time to overpay



It isn't the time to "overpay"?? With what? $1.2 million remaining cap and no cap to sign the rookies?

Reminds me of when Costanza asked Susan to sign a prenup. ~ I make more money than you, sure I'll sign it. A prenup LMAO.


There is way more than 1.2 million.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/21/2022 8:29:58 PM   
Bill Johanesen


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

I feel it isn't time to overpay



It isn't the time to "overpay"?? With what? $1.2 million remaining cap and no cap to sign the rookies?

Reminds me of when Costanza asked Susan to sign a prenup. ~ I make more money than you, sure I'll sign it. A prenup LMAO.


There is way more than 1.2 million.


Overthecap now shows 1.3. Spotrac at 2.4.

If they are correct, there is not "way more". Maybe later...

< Message edited by Bill Johanesen -- 3/21/2022 8:43:34 PM >
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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/21/2022 8:32:43 PM   
David Levine


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

I feel it isn't time to overpay



It isn't the time to "overpay"?? With what? $1.2 million remaining cap and no cap to sign the rookies?

Reminds me of when Costanza asked Susan to sign a prenup. ~ I make more money than you, sure I'll sign it. A prenup LMAO.


There is way more than 1.2 million.


Overthecap now shows 1.3. Spotrac at 2.4.

There may be more in the future, but right now there is not.


Kwesi is waiting to get approved for a new AmEx.
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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/21/2022 8:35:42 PM   
Bill Johanesen


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

You gotta have corners. If you don't, you aren't stopping anyone in the year 2022.

You can have all of the defensive linemen you want. If you can't cover, you're dead. A great corner will make an average defensive lineman look good. It doesn't work the other way around.


I think the worst part was investing in Alexander and Breeland last year. Took a year of development from Dantzler and Boyd.

Draft 3-4 and go from there. Peterson may be back and New Def Cord may have influence on a couple of FA; some decent players out there yet:

CB Stephon Gilmore 31
CB Bryce Callahan 30 (slot)
CB Patrick Peterson 31
CB K’Waun Williams (slot)
CB Kyle Fuller 30
CB Mike Hughes 25
CB Kevin King 26
CB Chandon Sullivan 25
S Jayron Kearse 28
S Terrell Edmunds 25
S Ronnie Harrison 24
S Deshon Elliot 24
C JC Tretter 31
C Nick Martin 28
G/T Billy Turner 30
G Will Hernandez 26

Nice. Slide free agents sideways into the draft thread since the’ve been quarantined like a bad variant on the sterile FA thread.


The important thing is he got their ages in. Oh how he'd love a hot 21 year old FA.


The site on Daily Norseman has the ages....is that an issue? Most teams do try to get younger except the Lakers.

If you were a talkvikes supervisor ypur deplorable age discrimination would have got you canned long ago.

Baby Pierce Phillips and now this .. you probably put more weight on youth than position.


No, I feel it isn't time to overpay and I was against it for two other veterans also (Smith and Thielen). The replacement player for Pierce was rated better, cheaper, and 3-4 years younger....but apparently you two feel the need to keep your focus and narrative on age.

Bill has a perverse sense of humor.

I defend the rights of all.

You're into ... I don't even want to know ... but I'm sure there's league officials out there working to prevent it.

AND 3-4 years / one season difference is nothing, you treat it like they come from different generations. Phillips has a ways to go to prove he's a long haul starter. He's only done it in spurts.


Za'Darius Smith will be 30 when the season starts and was (still is?) in Minny today. Phil is freaking out
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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/21/2022 9:54:38 PM   
Tom Sykes

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

You gotta have corners. If you don't, you aren't stopping anyone in the year 2022.

You can have all of the defensive linemen you want. If you can't cover, you're dead. A great corner will make an average defensive lineman look good. It doesn't work the other way around.


I think the worst part was investing in Alexander and Breeland last year. Took a year of development from Dantzler and Boyd.

Draft 3-4 and go from there. Peterson may be back and New Def Cord may have influence on a couple of FA; some decent players out there yet:

CB Stephon Gilmore 31
CB Bryce Callahan 30 (slot)
CB Patrick Peterson 31
CB K’Waun Williams (slot)
CB Kyle Fuller 30
CB Mike Hughes 25
CB Kevin King 26
CB Chandon Sullivan 25
S Jayron Kearse 28
S Terrell Edmunds 25
S Ronnie Harrison 24
S Deshon Elliot 24
C JC Tretter 31
C Nick Martin 28
G/T Billy Turner 30
G Will Hernandez 26

Nice. Slide free agents sideways into the draft thread since the’ve been quarantined like a bad variant on the sterile FA thread.


The important thing is he got their ages in. Oh how he'd love a hot 21 year old FA.


The site on Daily Norseman has the ages....is that an issue? Most teams do try to get younger except the Lakers.

If you were a talkvikes supervisor ypur deplorable age discrimination would have got you canned long ago.

Baby Pierce Phillips and now this .. you probably put more weight on youth than position.


No, I feel it isn't time to overpay and I was against it for two other veterans also (Smith and Thielen). The replacement player for Pierce was rated better, cheaper, and 3-4 years younger....but apparently you two feel the need to keep your focus and narrative on age.

Bill has a perverse sense of humor.

I defend the rights of all.

You're into ... I don't even want to know ... but I'm sure there's league officials out there working to prevent it.

AND 3-4 years / one season difference is nothing, you treat it like they come from different generations. Phillips has a ways to go to prove he's a long haul starter. He's only done it in spurts.


Za'Darius Smith will be 30 when the season starts and was (still is?) in Minny today. Phil is freaking out

Just how in the hell are they planning on courting Smith?

With a gift card for Golden Corral?

[Do they even serve liver and onions for an old nfl vet. It has to be mushy and denture friendly, that's for sure].
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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/21/2022 10:29:10 PM   
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I am more freaked out by Smiths back. Bill is so in awe how the new GM is leveraging the cap he still can’t understand or focus on anything but Pierces age. Similar to Brads focus on 2018-19 two minute offense or cb make the defense

< Message edited by Phil Riewer -- 3/21/2022 10:31:27 PM >


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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/21/2022 10:30:18 PM   
Phil Riewer


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

You gotta have corners. If you don't, you aren't stopping anyone in the year 2022.

You can have all of the defensive linemen you want. If you can't cover, you're dead. A great corner will make an average defensive lineman look good. It doesn't work the other way around.


I think the worst part was investing in Alexander and Breeland last year. Took a year of development from Dantzler and Boyd.

Draft 3-4 and go from there. Peterson may be back and New Def Cord may have influence on a couple of FA; some decent players out there yet:

CB Stephon Gilmore 31
CB Bryce Callahan 30 (slot)
CB Patrick Peterson 31
CB K’Waun Williams (slot)
CB Kyle Fuller 30
CB Mike Hughes 25
CB Kevin King 26
CB Chandon Sullivan 25
S Jayron Kearse 28
S Terrell Edmunds 25
S Ronnie Harrison 24
S Deshon Elliot 24
C JC Tretter 31
C Nick Martin 28
G/T Billy Turner 30
G Will Hernandez 26

Nice. Slide free agents sideways into the draft thread since the’ve been quarantined like a bad variant on the sterile FA thread.


The important thing is he got their ages in. Oh how he'd love a hot 21 year old FA.


The site on Daily Norseman has the ages....is that an issue? Most teams do try to get younger except the Lakers.

If you were a talkvikes supervisor ypur deplorable age discrimination would have got you canned long ago.

Baby Pierce Phillips and now this .. you probably put more weight on youth than position.


No, I feel it isn't time to overpay and I was against it for two other veterans also (Smith and Thielen). The replacement player for Pierce was rated better, cheaper, and 3-4 years younger....but apparently you two feel the need to keep your focus and narrative on age.

Bill has a perverse sense of humor.

I defend the rights of all.

You're into ... I don't even want to know ... but I'm sure there's league officials out there working to prevent it.

AND 3-4 years / one season difference is nothing, you treat it like they come from different generations. Phillips has a ways to go to prove he's a long haul starter. He's only done it in spurts.


Za'Darius Smith will be 30 when the season starts and was (still is?) in Minny today. Phil is freaking out

Just how in the hell are they planning on courting Smith?

With a gift card for Golden Corral?

[Do they even serve liver and onions for an old nfl vet. It has to be mushy and denture friendly, that's for sure].


Hunters roster bonus can be converted at any time.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/21/2022 10:53:37 PM   
Tom Sykes

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

You gotta have corners. If you don't, you aren't stopping anyone in the year 2022.

You can have all of the defensive linemen you want. If you can't cover, you're dead. A great corner will make an average defensive lineman look good. It doesn't work the other way around.


I think the worst part was investing in Alexander and Breeland last year. Took a year of development from Dantzler and Boyd.

Draft 3-4 and go from there. Peterson may be back and New Def Cord may have influence on a couple of FA; some decent players out there yet:

CB Stephon Gilmore 31
CB Bryce Callahan 30 (slot)
CB Patrick Peterson 31
CB K’Waun Williams (slot)
CB Kyle Fuller 30
CB Mike Hughes 25
CB Kevin King 26
CB Chandon Sullivan 25
S Jayron Kearse 28
S Terrell Edmunds 25
S Ronnie Harrison 24
S Deshon Elliot 24
C JC Tretter 31
C Nick Martin 28
G/T Billy Turner 30
G Will Hernandez 26

Nice. Slide free agents sideways into the draft thread since the’ve been quarantined like a bad variant on the sterile FA thread.


The important thing is he got their ages in. Oh how he'd love a hot 21 year old FA.


The site on Daily Norseman has the ages....is that an issue? Most teams do try to get younger except the Lakers.

If you were a talkvikes supervisor ypur deplorable age discrimination would have got you canned long ago.

Baby Pierce Phillips and now this .. you probably put more weight on youth than position.


No, I feel it isn't time to overpay and I was against it for two other veterans also (Smith and Thielen). The replacement player for Pierce was rated better, cheaper, and 3-4 years younger....but apparently you two feel the need to keep your focus and narrative on age.

Bill has a perverse sense of humor.

I defend the rights of all.

You're into ... I don't even want to know ... but I'm sure there's league officials out there working to prevent it.

AND 3-4 years / one season difference is nothing, you treat it like they come from different generations. Phillips has a ways to go to prove he's a long haul starter. He's only done it in spurts.


Za'Darius Smith will be 30 when the season starts and was (still is?) in Minny today. Phil is freaking out

Just how in the hell are they planning on courting Smith?

With a gift card for Golden Corral?

[Do they even serve liver and onions for an old nfl vet. It has to be mushy and denture friendly, that's for sure].


Hunters roster bonus can be converted at any time.

That's true.

But then what? This move money around / fill it in, move money around / fill it in approach is agonizing.

< Message edited by Tom Sykes -- 3/22/2022 1:21:10 AM >
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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/22/2022 7:13:54 AM   
Phil Riewer


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You gotta have corners. If you don't, you aren't stopping anyone in the year 2022.

You can have all of the defensive linemen you want. If you can't cover, you're dead. A great corner will make an average defensive lineman look good. It doesn't work the other way around.


I think the worst part was investing in Alexander and Breeland last year. Took a year of development from Dantzler and Boyd.

Draft 3-4 and go from there. Peterson may be back and New Def Cord may have influence on a couple of FA; some decent players out there yet:

CB Stephon Gilmore 31
CB Bryce Callahan 30 (slot)
CB Patrick Peterson 31
CB K’Waun Williams (slot)
CB Kyle Fuller 30
CB Mike Hughes 25
CB Kevin King 26
CB Chandon Sullivan 25
S Jayron Kearse 28
S Terrell Edmunds 25
S Ronnie Harrison 24
S Deshon Elliot 24
C JC Tretter 31
C Nick Martin 28
G/T Billy Turner 30
G Will Hernandez 26

Nice. Slide free agents sideways into the draft thread since the’ve been quarantined like a bad variant on the sterile FA thread.


The important thing is he got their ages in. Oh how he'd love a hot 21 year old FA.


The site on Daily Norseman has the ages....is that an issue? Most teams do try to get younger except the Lakers.

If you were a talkvikes supervisor ypur deplorable age discrimination would have got you canned long ago.

Baby Pierce Phillips and now this .. you probably put more weight on youth than position.


No, I feel it isn't time to overpay and I was against it for two other veterans also (Smith and Thielen). The replacement player for Pierce was rated better, cheaper, and 3-4 years younger....but apparently you two feel the need to keep your focus and narrative on age.

Bill has a perverse sense of humor.

I defend the rights of all.

You're into ... I don't even want to know ... but I'm sure there's league officials out there working to prevent it.

AND 3-4 years / one season difference is nothing, you treat it like they come from different generations. Phillips has a ways to go to prove he's a long haul starter. He's only done it in spurts.


Za'Darius Smith will be 30 when the season starts and was (still is?) in Minny today. Phil is freaking out

Just how in the hell are they planning on courting Smith?

With a gift card for Golden Corral?

[Do they even serve liver and onions for an old nfl vet. It has to be mushy and denture friendly, that's for sure].


Hunters roster bonus can be converted at any time.

That's true.

But then what? This move money around / fill it in, move money around / fill it in approach is agonizing.


You seem way to caught up in it. It is done almost every offseason...

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/22/2022 7:15:21 AM   
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I feel it isn't time to overpay



It isn't the time to "overpay"?? With what? $1.2 million remaining cap and no cap to sign the rookies?

Reminds me of when Costanza asked Susan to sign a prenup. ~ I make more money than you, sure I'll sign it. A prenup LMAO.


There is way more than 1.2 million.


Overthecap now shows 1.3. Spotrac at 2.4.

If they are correct, there is not "way more". Maybe later...


I read they have as much as 20 million w/o any other restructures.

If they sign Smith, Tretter/Bates, and a Callahan. That is more than I thought they would get done.

Kwesi also is trying to change the culture. The new DT Phillips and LB Hicks are supposedly some of the best leaders available in FA.

Phillips was third in the Walter Payton man of the year.

< Message edited by Phil Riewer -- 3/22/2022 7:22:10 AM >


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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/22/2022 8:40:52 AM   
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You gotta have corners. If you don't, you aren't stopping anyone in the year 2022.

You can have all of the defensive linemen you want. If you can't cover, you're dead. A great corner will make an average defensive lineman look good. It doesn't work the other way around.


I think the worst part was investing in Alexander and Breeland last year. Took a year of development from Dantzler and Boyd.

Draft 3-4 and go from there. Peterson may be back and New Def Cord may have influence on a couple of FA; some decent players out there yet:

CB Stephon Gilmore 31
CB Bryce Callahan 30 (slot)
CB Patrick Peterson 31
CB K’Waun Williams (slot)
CB Kyle Fuller 30
CB Mike Hughes 25
CB Kevin King 26
CB Chandon Sullivan 25
S Jayron Kearse 28
S Terrell Edmunds 25
S Ronnie Harrison 24
S Deshon Elliot 24
C JC Tretter 31
C Nick Martin 28
G/T Billy Turner 30
G Will Hernandez 26

Nice. Slide free agents sideways into the draft thread since the’ve been quarantined like a bad variant on the sterile FA thread.


The important thing is he got their ages in. Oh how he'd love a hot 21 year old FA.


The site on Daily Norseman has the ages....is that an issue? Most teams do try to get younger except the Lakers.

If you were a talkvikes supervisor ypur deplorable age discrimination would have got you canned long ago.

Baby Pierce Phillips and now this .. you probably put more weight on youth than position.


No, I feel it isn't time to overpay and I was against it for two other veterans also (Smith and Thielen). The replacement player for Pierce was rated better, cheaper, and 3-4 years younger....but apparently you two feel the need to keep your focus and narrative on age.

Bill has a perverse sense of humor.

I defend the rights of all.

You're into ... I don't even want to know ... but I'm sure there's league officials out there working to prevent it.

AND 3-4 years / one season difference is nothing, you treat it like they come from different generations. Phillips has a ways to go to prove he's a long haul starter. He's only done it in spurts.


Za'Darius Smith will be 30 when the season starts and was (still is?) in Minny today. Phil is freaking out

Just how in the hell are they planning on courting Smith?

With a gift card for Golden Corral?

[Do they even serve liver and onions for an old nfl vet. It has to be mushy and denture friendly, that's for sure].


Hunters roster bonus can be converted at any time.

That's true.

But then what? This move money around / fill it in, move money around / fill it in approach is agonizing.


You seem way to caught up in it. It is done almost every offseason...

And how successful have we been lately?

Reality never seems to stand in your way but it irks me sometimes.

< Message edited by Tom Sykes -- 3/22/2022 9:10:47 AM >
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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/22/2022 9:46:48 AM   
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I am more freaked out by Smiths back. Bill is so in awe how the new GM is leveraging the cap he still can’t understand or focus on anything but Pierces age. Similar to Brads focus on 2018-19 two minute offense or cb make the defense


That's all you got? Projecting your age love onto me? Pretty bad, even for you.

"Leveraging the cap", LOL!

Like Kramer saying "They just write it off" without knowing a thing about it.
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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/22/2022 9:48:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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You gotta have corners. If you don't, you aren't stopping anyone in the year 2022.

You can have all of the defensive linemen you want. If you can't cover, you're dead. A great corner will make an average defensive lineman look good. It doesn't work the other way around.


I think the worst part was investing in Alexander and Breeland last year. Took a year of development from Dantzler and Boyd.

Draft 3-4 and go from there. Peterson may be back and New Def Cord may have influence on a couple of FA; some decent players out there yet:

CB Stephon Gilmore 31
CB Bryce Callahan 30 (slot)
CB Patrick Peterson 31
CB K’Waun Williams (slot)
CB Kyle Fuller 30
CB Mike Hughes 25
CB Kevin King 26
CB Chandon Sullivan 25
S Jayron Kearse 28
S Terrell Edmunds 25
S Ronnie Harrison 24
S Deshon Elliot 24
C JC Tretter 31
C Nick Martin 28
G/T Billy Turner 30
G Will Hernandez 26

Nice. Slide free agents sideways into the draft thread since the’ve been quarantined like a bad variant on the sterile FA thread.


The important thing is he got their ages in. Oh how he'd love a hot 21 year old FA.


The site on Daily Norseman has the ages....is that an issue? Most teams do try to get younger except the Lakers.

If you were a talkvikes supervisor ypur deplorable age discrimination would have got you canned long ago.

Baby Pierce Phillips and now this .. you probably put more weight on youth than position.


No, I feel it isn't time to overpay and I was against it for two other veterans also (Smith and Thielen). The replacement player for Pierce was rated better, cheaper, and 3-4 years younger....but apparently you two feel the need to keep your focus and narrative on age.

Bill has a perverse sense of humor.

I defend the rights of all.

You're into ... I don't even want to know ... but I'm sure there's league officials out there working to prevent it.

AND 3-4 years / one season difference is nothing, you treat it like they come from different generations. Phillips has a ways to go to prove he's a long haul starter. He's only done it in spurts.


Za'Darius Smith will be 30 when the season starts and was (still is?) in Minny today. Phil is freaking out

Just how in the hell are they planning on courting Smith?

With a gift card for Golden Corral?

[Do they even serve liver and onions for an old nfl vet. It has to be mushy and denture friendly, that's for sure].


Hunters roster bonus can be converted at any time.

That's true.

But then what? This move money around / fill it in, move money around / fill it in approach is agonizing.


You seem way to caught up in it. It is done almost every offseason...

And how successful have we been lately?

Reality never seems to stand in your way but it irks me sometimes.


Reality is what you aren't grasping. It is March 22nd....when does the season start? So say you bitch for 2 weeks or 2 months even and they sign Z Smith and Tretter......who is really struggling with reality?

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/22/2022 9:50:45 AM   
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I am more freaked out by Smiths back. Bill is so in awe how the new GM is leveraging the cap he still can’t understand or focus on anything but Pierces age. Similar to Brads focus on 2018-19 two minute offense or cb make the defense


That's all you got? Projecting your age love onto me? Pretty bad, even for you.

"Leveraging the cap", LOL!

Like Kramer saying "They just write it off" without knowing a thing about it.


What are they writing off? Converting a Roster Bonus into a Signing Bonus is a write off to you? I am the one laughing.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/22/2022 9:52:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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You gotta have corners. If you don't, you aren't stopping anyone in the year 2022.

You can have all of the defensive linemen you want. If you can't cover, you're dead. A great corner will make an average defensive lineman look good. It doesn't work the other way around.


I think the worst part was investing in Alexander and Breeland last year. Took a year of development from Dantzler and Boyd.

Draft 3-4 and go from there. Peterson may be back and New Def Cord may have influence on a couple of FA; some decent players out there yet:

CB Stephon Gilmore 31
CB Bryce Callahan 30 (slot)
CB Patrick Peterson 31
CB K’Waun Williams (slot)
CB Kyle Fuller 30
CB Mike Hughes 25
CB Kevin King 26
CB Chandon Sullivan 25
S Jayron Kearse 28
S Terrell Edmunds 25
S Ronnie Harrison 24
S Deshon Elliot 24
C JC Tretter 31
C Nick Martin 28
G/T Billy Turner 30
G Will Hernandez 26

Nice. Slide free agents sideways into the draft thread since the’ve been quarantined like a bad variant on the sterile FA thread.


The important thing is he got their ages in. Oh how he'd love a hot 21 year old FA.


The site on Daily Norseman has the ages....is that an issue? Most teams do try to get younger except the Lakers.

If you were a talkvikes supervisor ypur deplorable age discrimination would have got you canned long ago.

Baby Pierce Phillips and now this .. you probably put more weight on youth than position.


No, I feel it isn't time to overpay and I was against it for two other veterans also (Smith and Thielen). The replacement player for Pierce was rated better, cheaper, and 3-4 years younger....but apparently you two feel the need to keep your focus and narrative on age.

Bill has a perverse sense of humor.

I defend the rights of all.

You're into ... I don't even want to know ... but I'm sure there's league officials out there working to prevent it.

AND 3-4 years / one season difference is nothing, you treat it like they come from different generations. Phillips has a ways to go to prove he's a long haul starter. He's only done it in spurts.


Za'Darius Smith will be 30 when the season starts and was (still is?) in Minny today. Phil is freaking out

Just how in the hell are they planning on courting Smith?

With a gift card for Golden Corral?

[Do they even serve liver and onions for an old nfl vet. It has to be mushy and denture friendly, that's for sure].


Hunters roster bonus can be converted at any time.

That's true.

But then what? This move money around / fill it in, move money around / fill it in approach is agonizing.


You seem way to caught up in it. It is done almost every offseason...



Yes, we certainly shouldn't be caught up in it... even after seeing Spielman "leverage the cap" every offseason.

WOW!
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