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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/17/2023 8:39:04 AM

Mark Anderson

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Option #1 for this management team should be to find a new home for Cousins? Does anyone disagree with this?

Never mind how tough it could be. I never said it would be easy. But it can be done. It was done with Russell Wilson. It can be done with Kirk Cousins. There is a ton of teams looking to frivolously spend money on a quarterback, and only so many quarterbacks to go around.

Who's our QB next year?

I don't know. I don't have that answer. No matter, this team does not look like a playoff team to me next year and has no chance of winning the big prize.

Lets take one step at a time. The big albatross in the room is Cousins. Has been for five years. Lets solve that first and then rearrange the deck furniture on the Titanic.

If it actually saved cap money, cutting him would make sense. It adds money so it would be pretty stupid.

They gotta find a trade that he can live with. As I see it, they have one wild card advantage. He has one year left. Find a place where he has a 2-4 year contract and Cousins would eat it up. He's all about the money, and always has been.

So you want to tank next year and look to 2024 draft for QB. Because losing cap space and having no option at QB will get us there.

And also piss off JJ.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/17/2023 8:40:30 AM

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I would rather go all in for a QBOTF via trading Jefferson for a super high pick if the front office thinks their QBOTF is there and do a real rebuild.

Cutting or trading away Cousins for a retread piece of trash like Zach Wilson, Mayfield, ect feels like an epic waste of time.

Jefferson isn't going to want to stick around for a massive rebuild anyway.

For example, I would think the Bears would be very interested in Jefferson as the center piece of a trade that gets the Vikings the #1 overall pick.

Kwesi is going to thrive or be fired based on his "life after Kirk" move, if I was him I would make it the best possible move.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/17/2023 8:40:38 AM

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Option #1 for this management team should be to find a new home for Cousins? Does anyone disagree with this?

Never mind how tough it could be. I never said it would be easy. But it can be done. It was done with Russell Wilson. It can be done with Kirk Cousins. There is a ton of teams looking to frivolously spend money on a quarterback, and only so many quarterbacks to go around.

Who's our QB next year?

I don't know. I don't have that answer. No matter, this team does not look like a playoff team to me next year and has no chance of winning the big prize.

Lets take one step at a time. The big albatross in the room is Cousins. Has been for five years. Lets solve that first and then rearrange the deck furniture on the Titanic.

If it actually saved cap money, cutting him would make sense. It adds money so it would be pretty stupid.

They gotta find a trade that he can live with. As I see it, they have one wild card advantage. He has one year left. Find a place where he has a 2-4 year contract and Cousins would eat it up. He's all about the money, and always has been.

So you want to tank next year and look to 2024 draft for QB. Because losing cap space and having no option at QB will get us there.

And also piss off JJ.

It is very difficult for me to envision this team making the playoffs next season, no matter the moves.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/17/2023 8:42:51 AM

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I would rather go all in for a QBOTF via trading Jefferson for a super high pick if the front office thinks their QBOTF is there and do a real rebuild.
Cutting or trading away Cousins for a retread piece of trash like Zach Wilson, Mayfield, ect feels like an epic waste of time.
Jefferson isn't going to want to stick around for a massive rebuild anyway.
For example, I would think the Bears would be very interested in Jefferson as the center piece of a trade that gets the Vikings the #1 overall pick.
Kwesi is going to thrive or be fired based on his "life after Kirk" move, if I was him I would make it the best possible move.

Ron...JJ is 23. 2023 isn't a rebuild.
Trading JJ at 23 would get him fired.
Get Creative and get a QBOTF w/o trading JJ.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/17/2023 8:44:35 AM 1 votes

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kendricks sucks move on

kirk, if you can get him to agree, find a trade...it aint gonna happen, so move on...he is here one last year...DO NOT EXTEND HIM (unless team friendly)

we have tied ourselves to kirk last year and this year, so suck it up

i would add offense this year....C, OL, WR, QB with our draft picks...have a good oline with weapons for a young QB can do wonders

throw some hungry young no-names on defense, and hope for the best.....at worst we drop one spot from 31st to 32nd

i am in future building mode with he understanding that Kirk is here this year....maybe trade deadline deal if we have a slow start?

< Message edited by drviking -- 1/17/2023 8:50:57 AM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/17/2023 8:44:37 AM

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10 biggest contracts in the NFL this season:

1) Aaron Rodgers (didn't live up to it)
2) Russell Wilson (didn't live up to it)
3) Kyler Murray (didn't live up to it)
4) Deshaun Watson (didn't live up to it)
5) Patrick Mahomes
6) Josh Allen
7) Derek Carr (didn't live up to it)
8) Dak Prescott (didn't live up to it)
9) Matthew Stafford (didn't live up to it)
10) Kirk Cousins (with the #14 QB rating, didn't live up to it)

Anyone seeing a trend here?

Again it is a double edge sword. You have maybe 8-9 wins w/o Kirk. I remember the Ponder, Teddy, Bradford years. Case we lucked into and he hasn't done that since for one year. Total Sabotage solution; you also are talking about something that can't be done anyway. They can't cut him due to cap and he has a no trad

Your solution isn't one.

You gain 13 million by cutting Hicks and Kendricks alone. They will have cap space and if they resign TJ and Jefferson they can create more.

IMO you are far too optimistic with say $30 million cap.

First of all, we are starting 2023 with a cap deficit, so the $30 million ends up being around $20 million. Then you have the rookie class, and w/o a second rounder might be around $5 million.

Like magic, your $30 million is automatically reduced to $15 million.

Spotrac lets you do the cuts.

Cutting all the over the hill guys gets us to about 50M. But we still have to sign 10 or so guys to get to 53.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/17/2023 8:45:05 AM

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Winning 13 games with the #31 defense in the league is not going to repeat itself. Most teams with the #31 defense finish well below .500. It was a miracle year, plain and simple.

If they finish with the #31 defense next season, they will not win more than seven games. PERIOD! More than likely it would be in the 5-6 range. That was bad of a defense as I have ever seen.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/17/2023 8:45:22 AM

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Option #1 for this management team should be to find a new home for Cousins? Does anyone disagree with this?

Never mind how tough it could be. I never said it would be easy. But it can be done. It was done with Russell Wilson. It can be done with Kirk Cousins. There is a ton of teams looking to frivolously spend money on a quarterback, and only so many quarterbacks to go around.

Who's our QB next year?

I don't know. I don't have that answer. No matter, this team does not look like a playoff team to me next year and has no chance of winning the big prize.

Lets take one step at a time. The big albatross in the room is Cousins. Has been for five years. Lets solve that first and then rearrange the deck furniture on the Titanic.

If it actually saved cap money, cutting him would make sense. It adds money so it would be pretty stupid.

They gotta find a trade that he can live with. As I see it, they have one wild card advantage. He has one year left. Find a place where he has a 2-4 year contract and Cousins would eat it up. He's all about the money, and always has been.

So you want to tank next year and look to 2024 draft for QB. Because losing cap space and having no option at QB will get us there.

And also piss off JJ.

It is very difficult for me to envision this team making the playoffs next season, no matter the moves.

yep, build for future, even if we make the playoffs....we have seen how that goes

turn the page

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/17/2023 8:46:28 AM

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Cleveland hired new DC; Jim Schwartz.

Grab a stud DC may move up to #1 on the list. (Flores?)

Dianna Russini
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The Cleveland Browns plan to hire Jim Schwartz as their defensive coordinator, per sources.
Schwartz who won a Super Bowl as the Eagles DC in 2017 beat out Sean Desai, Dennard Wilson, and Brian Flores for the job.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/17/2023 8:47:56 AM

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Cousins tipped his cap this week when he said he loves playing for the Vikings. Translation: He's concerned he won't be making any money past 2023 and trying to buy the fans.

If you are so in love with the franchise, how about you restructure your contract so the franchise can build a competent defense? That would be my question if I were the GM.

exactly..

my first meeting this offseason is with Kirk and his agent

Team friendly deal so we can build or you are a lame duck QB next year

Good luck with your next coach/environment

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/17/2023 8:49:08 AM

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Cousins tipped his cap this week when he said he loves playing for the Vikings. Translation: He's concerned he won't be making any money past 2023 and trying to buy the fans.

If you are so in love with the franchise, how about you restructure your contract so the franchise can build a competent defense? That would be my question if I were the GM.

exactly..

my first meeting this offseason is with Kirk and his agent

Team friendly deal so we can build or you are a lame duck QB next year

Good luck with your next coach/environment

Shhhh. Not so loud. People will think you are crazy for suggesting there may be an answer.

I would even tell him to restructure, or we are prepared to sit you on the bench the entire year. Good luck at getting a new contract somewhere else after sitting on the bench for a year at the age of 35.

So, we actually have two wild cards. His age being #2.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/17/2023 8:49:19 AM

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I would rather go all in for a QBOTF via trading Jefferson for a super high pick if the front office thinks their QBOTF is there and do a real rebuild.
Cutting or trading away Cousins for a retread piece of trash like Zach Wilson, Mayfield, ect feels like an epic waste of time.
Jefferson isn't going to want to stick around for a massive rebuild anyway.
For example, I would think the Bears would be very interested in Jefferson as the center piece of a trade that gets the Vikings the #1 overall pick.
Kwesi is going to thrive or be fired based on his "life after Kirk" move, if I was him I would make it the best possible move.

Ron...JJ is 23. 2023 isn't a rebuild.
Trading JJ at 23 would get him fired.
Get Creative and get a QBOTF w/o trading JJ.

QBOTF imo isn’t currently on a roster. You are going to need to trade 2-3 future first rounders to move way up in the draft. JJ (who likely won’t want to be here for a rebuild with a rookie QB) might get that down to JJ and 1 future first rounder.

If you are going to do it, then do it. No more reaching for Ponder types or hoping for a diamond in a Mond type.

Do it or don’t. Just don’t half ass it.

We already have Carr types on team, he wears #8.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/17/2023 8:49:27 AM

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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Option #1 for this management team should be to find a new home for Cousins? Does anyone disagree with this?

Never mind how tough it could be. I never said it would be easy. But it can be done. It was done with Russell Wilson. It can be done with Kirk Cousins. There is a ton of teams looking to frivolously spend money on a quarterback, and only so many quarterbacks to go around.

Who's our QB next year?

I don't know. I don't have that answer. No matter, this team does not look like a playoff team to me next year and has no chance of winning the big prize.

Lets take one step at a time. The big albatross in the room is Cousins. Has been for five years. Lets solve that first and then rearrange the deck furniture on the Titanic.

If it actually saved cap money, cutting him would make sense. It adds money so it would be pretty stupid.

They gotta find a trade that he can live with. As I see it, they have one wild card advantage. He has one year left. Find a place where he has a 2-4 year contract and Cousins would eat it up. He's all about the money, and always has been.

So you want to tank next year and look to 2024 draft for QB. Because losing cap space and having no option at QB will get us there.

And also piss off JJ.

i would have preferred tanking this year, but at some point a rebuild has to happen

too many old expensive contracts

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/17/2023 8:50:13 AM

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Cousins tipped his cap this week when he said he loves playing for the Vikings. Translation: He's concerned he won't be making any money past 2023 and trying to buy the fans.

If you are so in love with the franchise, how about you restructure your contract so the franchise can build a competent defense? That would be my question if I were the GM.

exactly..

my first meeting this offseason is with Kirk and his agent

Team friendly deal so we can build or you are a lame duck QB next year

Good luck with your next coach/environment

Shhhh. Not so loud. People will think you are crazy for suggesting there may be an answer.

Dr. solution wasn't yours. Yours was cut or trade.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/17/2023 8:51:48 AM

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I would rather go all in for a QBOTF via trading Jefferson for a super high pick if the front office thinks their QBOTF is there and do a real rebuild.
Cutting or trading away Cousins for a retread piece of trash like Zach Wilson, Mayfield, ect feels like an epic waste of time.
Jefferson isn't going to want to stick around for a massive rebuild anyway.
For example, I would think the Bears would be very interested in Jefferson as the center piece of a trade that gets the Vikings the #1 overall pick.
Kwesi is going to thrive or be fired based on his "life after Kirk" move, if I was him I would make it the best possible move.

Ron...JJ is 23. 2023 isn't a rebuild.
Trading JJ at 23 would get him fired.
Get Creative and get a QBOTF w/o trading JJ.

QBOTF imo isn’t currently on a roster. You are going to need to trade 2-3 future first rounders to move way up in the draft. JJ (who likely won’t want to be here for a rebuild with a rookie QB) might get that down to JJ and 1 future first rounder.
If you are going to do it, then do it. No more reaching for Ponder types or hoping for a diamond in a Mond type.
Do it or don’t. Just don’t half ass it.
We already have Carr types on team, he wears #8.

SF found theres in round 7.
You can find one in 3-5; hell draft two this year.
If you look at the roster; trading for TJ mid year your plan isn't the logic they are following.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/17/2023 8:51:55 AM

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I would rather go all in for a QBOTF via trading Jefferson for a super high pick if the front office thinks their QBOTF is there and do a real rebuild.
Cutting or trading away Cousins for a retread piece of trash like Zach Wilson, Mayfield, ect feels like an epic waste of time.
Jefferson isn't going to want to stick around for a massive rebuild anyway.
For example, I would think the Bears would be very interested in Jefferson as the center piece of a trade that gets the Vikings the #1 overall pick.
Kwesi is going to thrive or be fired based on his "life after Kirk" move, if I was him I would make it the best possible move.

Ron...JJ is 23. 2023 isn't a rebuild.
Trading JJ at 23 would get him fired.
Get Creative and get a QBOTF w/o trading JJ.

Yep. You don't need a Top 5 pick to get a QBOTF. We just need to commit to doing it. We haven't done it since Ponder.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/17/2023 8:53:16 AM

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Cousins tipped his cap this week when he said he loves playing for the Vikings. Translation: He's concerned he won't be making any money past 2023 and trying to buy the fans.

If you are so in love with the franchise, how about you restructure your contract so the franchise can build a competent defense? That would be my question if I were the GM.

exactly..

my first meeting this offseason is with Kirk and his agent

Team friendly deal so we can build or you are a lame duck QB next year

Good luck with your next coach/environment

Shhhh. Not so loud. People will think you are crazy for suggesting there may be an answer.

Dr. solution wasn't yours. Yours was cut or trade.

Now you are just making things up. I suggested those as two options.

It seems now that I have come up with added solutions that you are now doing a classic, Phil Riewer rope-a-dope. With the emphasis on dope.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/17/2023 8:56:11 AM

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I would rather go all in for a QBOTF via trading Jefferson for a super high pick if the front office thinks their QBOTF is there and do a real rebuild.
Cutting or trading away Cousins for a retread piece of trash like Zach Wilson, Mayfield, ect feels like an epic waste of time.
Jefferson isn't going to want to stick around for a massive rebuild anyway.
For example, I would think the Bears would be very interested in Jefferson as the center piece of a trade that gets the Vikings the #1 overall pick.
Kwesi is going to thrive or be fired based on his "life after Kirk" move, if I was him I would make it the best possible move.

Ron...JJ is 23. 2023 isn't a rebuild.
Trading JJ at 23 would get him fired.
Get Creative and get a QBOTF w/o trading JJ.

QBOTF imo isn’t currently on a roster. You are going to need to trade 2-3 future first rounders to move way up in the draft. JJ (who likely won’t want to be here for a rebuild with a rookie QB) might get that down to JJ and 1 future first rounder.

If you are going to do it, then do it. No more reaching for Ponder types or hoping for a diamond in a Mond type.

Do it or don’t. Just don’t half ass it.

We already have Carr types on team, he wears #8.

IF you can get #1, for JJ and this and next year first round, I would do that deal every day....i doubt the bears do

i think that would assign JJ the value of #5 pick in the draft (maybe not as outlandish as I first thought)

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/17/2023 8:57:56 AM

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Cousins tipped his cap this week when he said he loves playing for the Vikings. Translation: He's concerned he won't be making any money past 2023 and trying to buy the fans.

If you are so in love with the franchise, how about you restructure your contract so the franchise can build a competent defense? That would be my question if I were the GM.

exactly..

my first meeting this offseason is with Kirk and his agent

Team friendly deal so we can build or you are a lame duck QB next year

Good luck with your next coach/environment

Shhhh. Not so loud. People will think you are crazy for suggesting there may be an answer.

Dr. solution wasn't yours. Yours was cut or trade.

Now you are just making things up. I suggested those as two options.

It seems now that I have come up with added solutions that you are now doing a classic, Phil Riewer rope-a-dope. With the emphasis on dope.

You never mentioned a restructure...we can look back if needed. You mentioned Cut or Trade. You know it.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/17/2023 8:58:35 AM

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The regime will be thinking strategically with the cap.

JJ will be a fortune. O'Neill's contract is going to kick in. After they sort out more mess next season, Darrisaw will enter his 4th year. He is trending towards a mammoth contract especially as he plays at a premium position.

The QBOTF will almost have to be via the draft.

If they dump massive amounts of cap into void years, I'd say that's an early indicator the Wilfs are preparing to sell the team.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/17/2023 8:58:46 AM

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: drviking

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Cousins tipped his cap this week when he said he loves playing for the Vikings. Translation: He's concerned he won't be making any money past 2023 and trying to buy the fans.

If you are so in love with the franchise, how about you restructure your contract so the franchise can build a competent defense? That would be my question if I were the GM.

exactly..

my first meeting this offseason is with Kirk and his agent

Team friendly deal so we can build or you are a lame duck QB next year

Good luck with your next coach/environment

Shhhh. Not so loud. People will think you are crazy for suggesting there may be an answer.

Dr. solution wasn't yours. Yours was cut or trade.

Now you are just making things up. I suggested those as two options.

It seems now that I have come up with added solutions that you are now doing a classic, Phil Riewer rope-a-dope. With the emphasis on dope.

So, most of your posts are "you can't win anything with him" "Can't win big games" "have to get rid of him"

Now you want to keep him with a re-structure.

It's okay to lose an argument once in a while. We all do it.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/17/2023 8:58:50 AM

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I would rather go all in for a QBOTF via trading Jefferson for a super high pick if the front office thinks their QBOTF is there and do a real rebuild.
Cutting or trading away Cousins for a retread piece of trash like Zach Wilson, Mayfield, ect feels like an epic waste of time.
Jefferson isn't going to want to stick around for a massive rebuild anyway.
For example, I would think the Bears would be very interested in Jefferson as the center piece of a trade that gets the Vikings the #1 overall pick.
Kwesi is going to thrive or be fired based on his "life after Kirk" move, if I was him I would make it the best possible move.

Ron...JJ is 23. 2023 isn't a rebuild.
Trading JJ at 23 would get him fired.
Get Creative and get a QBOTF w/o trading JJ.

Yep. You don't need a Top 5 pick to get a QBOTF. We just need to commit to doing it. We haven't done it since Ponder.

i would prefer to keep JJ too, but I am looking for a 15 year quarterback more than a 7 year WR

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/17/2023 9:00:00 AM

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall
I would rather go all in for a QBOTF via trading Jefferson for a super high pick if the front office thinks their QBOTF is there and do a real rebuild.
Cutting or trading away Cousins for a retread piece of trash like Zach Wilson, Mayfield, ect feels like an epic waste of time.
Jefferson isn't going to want to stick around for a massive rebuild anyway.
For example, I would think the Bears would be very interested in Jefferson as the center piece of a trade that gets the Vikings the #1 overall pick.
Kwesi is going to thrive or be fired based on his "life after Kirk" move, if I was him I would make it the best possible move.

Ron...JJ is 23. 2023 isn't a rebuild.
Trading JJ at 23 would get him fired.
Get Creative and get a QBOTF w/o trading JJ.

QBOTF imo isn’t currently on a roster. You are going to need to trade 2-3 future first rounders to move way up in the draft. JJ (who likely won’t want to be here for a rebuild with a rookie QB) might get that down to JJ and 1 future first rounder.
If you are going to do it, then do it. No more reaching for Ponder types or hoping for a diamond in a Mond type.
Do it or don’t. Just don’t half ass it.
We already have Carr types on team, he wears #8.

SF found theres in round 7.
You can find one in 3-5; hell draft two this year.
If you look at the roster; trading for TJ mid year your plan isn't the logic they are following.

Shanahan seems to make every QB he works with look pretty damn good, I think that is a very big part of it. Plus the talent and defense they have is a big part of it also. If Kwesi wants to tie his career to a mid round pick, that's his choice.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/17/2023 9:01:40 AM

Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall
I would rather go all in for a QBOTF via trading Jefferson for a super high pick if the front office thinks their QBOTF is there and do a real rebuild.
Cutting or trading away Cousins for a retread piece of trash like Zach Wilson, Mayfield, ect feels like an epic waste of time.
Jefferson isn't going to want to stick around for a massive rebuild anyway.
For example, I would think the Bears would be very interested in Jefferson as the center piece of a trade that gets the Vikings the #1 overall pick.
Kwesi is going to thrive or be fired based on his "life after Kirk" move, if I was him I would make it the best possible move.

Ron...JJ is 23. 2023 isn't a rebuild.
Trading JJ at 23 would get him fired.
Get Creative and get a QBOTF w/o trading JJ.

QBOTF imo isn’t currently on a roster. You are going to need to trade 2-3 future first rounders to move way up in the draft. JJ (who likely won’t want to be here for a rebuild with a rookie QB) might get that down to JJ and 1 future first rounder.
If you are going to do it, then do it. No more reaching for Ponder types or hoping for a diamond in a Mond type.
Do it or don’t. Just don’t half ass it.
We already have Carr types on team, he wears #8.

SF found theres in round 7.
You can find one in 3-5; hell draft two this year.
If you look at the roster; trading for TJ mid year your plan isn't the logic they are following.

Shanahan seems to make every QB he works with look pretty damn good, I think that is a very big part of it. Plus the talent and defense they have is a big part of it also. If Kwesi wants to tie his career to a mid round pick, that's his choice.

First round QBs get Coaches and GM's fired.....Cardinals Rosen and Murray are examples.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/17/2023 9:01:49 AM

Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

The regime will be thinking strategically with the cap.

JJ will be a fortune. O'Neill's contract is going to kick in. After they sort out more mess next season, Darrisaw will enter his 4th year. He is trending towards a mammoth contract especially as he plays at a premium position.

The QBOTF will almost have to be via the draft.

If they dump massive amounts of cap into void years, I'd say that's an early indicator the Wilfs are preparing to sell the team.

Has there been some talk about them selling?

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