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ORIGINAL: marty

Yes, Kirk DID sabotage the 2022 season, by not getting a TD in either of his last 2 drives, and especially not really trying to convert the last 4th down pass.

The Vikings defensive coordinator made Kirk's job tough, and Kirk didn't rise to the occasion.

I don't want 'stability' at QB anymore, I want chance for greatness. And they should keep trying to draft that.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

How many teams thought tanking for Baker Mayfield Josh Rosen Sam Darnold Kyler Murray was a good idea? I doubt any will admit it now but I am sure some thought there was a can’t miss in that list.

Walk into locker room and tell the team the plan is to suck beyond sucking so they can position themselves to draft a kid.

Bet that would go over just great.

It was a good idea. And when it didn't work out you try it again. And again. At least you have a chance versus an overpriced vet who will get you mediocrity but no shot at the ultimate goal.

The Vikings are not a QB away. No QB is going to make a playoff run with the worst defense in the entire league, not just the worst defense of playoff teams but the entire league.

The Vikings have not let anybody good walk because of the QB contract.

The drafts have been horrible, that's how you build a team. The GM'ing has also been horrible.... hanging on to safeties, LB, and RB at the expense of salary cap space should never happen. Have a really good LB, Safety, or RB? Trade them to a sucker for high draft picks.

I'm struggling to keep up with this conversation. Trying to find a top-10 QB and not giving up until you do is independent of current talent of defense, good drafting, bad drafting, hanging on to players too long, etc...

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

How many teams thought tanking for Baker Mayfield Josh Rosen Sam Darnold Kyler Murray was a good idea? I doubt any will admit it now but I am sure some thought there was a can’t miss in that list.

Walk into locker room and tell the team the plan is to suck beyond sucking so they can position themselves to draft a kid.

Bet that would go over just great.

It was a good idea. And when it didn't work out you try it again. And again. At least you have a chance versus an overpriced vet who will get you mediocrity but no shot at the ultimate goal.

The Vikings are not a QB away. No QB is going to make a playoff run with the worst defense in the entire league, not just the worst defense of playoff teams but the entire league.

The Vikings have not let anybody good walk because of the QB contract.

The drafts have been horrible, that's how you build a team. The GM'ing has also been horrible.... hanging on to safeties, LB, and RB at the expense of salary cap space should never happen. Have a really good LB, Safety, or RB? Trade them to a sucker for high draft picks.

I'm struggling to keep up with this conversation. Trying to find a top-10 QB and not giving up until you do is independent of current talent of defense, good drafting, bad drafting, hanging on to players too long, etc...

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

The KC Stan’s are never, ever gonna shut up about “it wasn’t his fault”..

He played better this season and had his clutch moments.

But be honest… this season was an outlier in so many ways..

I, personally can not ignore his failures.

He can’t read his routes and receivers quickly at all..

He made at least 5: WTF? throws PER GAME.

Playoffs: 1-3

Throwing the ball short of the line to gain, always..always..always.

Zero pocket presence, zero mobility, taking sacks when a stat killing throw way is the better option.

His deer in the head.ights leadership under game pressure.

He’s a ten year plus veteran QB who has done nothing but raise hopes and the crush expectations with mediocrity in the playoffs.

I’m done. With any faith or belief in Kirk Cousins.

We are stuck with this no trade clause idiot for another year.

If Donatello is DC next year, I become as casual a fan as I was while I was deployed on a submarine..

Brad want to draft Defensive backs..

I want to draft defensive linemen who can both stop the run, seal the edges and get into the backfield.

Offensive linemen are ALWAYS a high priority.

You Have to take a shot at QB every year till you find one


**Edit: I can’t even give him credit for Darrisaw…
I personally think KAM blew the 2022 draft out his ass and failed miserably finding any talent,with the exception of Darrisaw.**

At this rate, we will never have a team of young stalwart players who can compliment each other and create a team with balanced talent on both sides.

If mr irrelevant is playing, as a rookie, in the divisional championship game, WTF is Kirk Cousins Excuse?

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Probably the reason the Thielen's are upset:
Something of note is that Thielen has a 12m bonus due in March

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Probably the reason the Thielen's are upset:
Something of note is that Thielen has a 12m bonus due in March

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ORIGINAL: joejitsu

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Probably the reason the Thielen's are upset:
Something of note is that Thielen has a 12m bonus due in March

I have a feeling he won’t be seeing that windfall from us. We have to make some growed up business decisions if the defense is going to get better any time soon.

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: marty

Yes, Kirk DID sabotage the 2022 season, by not getting a TD in either of his last 2 drives, and especially not really trying to convert the last 4th down pass.

The Vikings defensive coordinator made Kirk's job tough, and Kirk didn't rise to the occasion.

I don't want 'stability' at QB anymore, I want chance for greatness. And they should keep trying to draft that.

As shitty as that decision was (and it was very).....would it have mattered if he did? If they had 20 seconds on the clock and we kicked it out of the back of the endzone, how confident would you have been with us keeping them out of FG range?

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

The whole series was a cluster ****…

That’s on KOC.

“KC had no time…”

That’s different from the entire season, how?

Stop excusing a mediocre QB..

Just stop.

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

The whole series was a cluster ****…

That’s on KOC.

“KC had no time…”

That’s different from the entire season, how?

Stop excusing a mediocre QB..

Just stop.

I'm no Cousins bobo. He's OK but If they decided to go another direction at QB that'd be fine with me. But don't say he made a bad 'decision' on the last play. Because it's just wrong.

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: marty

Yes, Kirk DID sabotage the 2022 season, by not getting a TD in either of his last 2 drives, and especially not really trying to convert the last 4th down pass.

The Vikings defensive coordinator made Kirk's job tough, and Kirk didn't rise to the occasion.

I don't want 'stability' at QB anymore, I want chance for greatness. And they should keep trying to draft that.

As shitty as that decision was (and it was very).....would it have mattered if he did? If they had 20 seconds on the clock and we kicked it out of the back of the endzone, how confident would you have been with us keeping them out of FG range?

Cousins literally did not have time to make a 'decision'.

Watch the play carefully. The pocket seemed normal for a split second, but quickly collapsed. There was a defender immediately up into Cousins on his left and another behind bearing down. He had less than 3 seconds. About 2.5. There are no 'check downs', no surveying the field, no weighing options in 2.5 seconds. He threw the ball as quickly as he could to the receiver in his line of sight. Because any completion (and hoping for some YAC) is better than getting sacked.

Now maybe you could argue a more agile QB could have avoided the pressure and bought a little more time. That's fair. But it would have taken an amazing play. A Minneapolis Miracle II.

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ORIGINAL: marty

If Brady were Kirk's age, he would have seen Jefferson covered, and fired it to Osborn who was coming open. 80% chance it's a completion for a 1st down.

Now had the defender still made an incredible play and knocked down the ball that was leading Osborn, we would have felt like at least this 2023 playoff Kirk is continuing to do what he did in the regular season, and went down swinging, giving his team a chance.

The Hock option, should only have been if the QB had quick pocket presence, was able to get away from the pocket, and then could set up the LBer covering Hock to think the mobile Kirk was going to run, and he lofts a pass over the LBer, and to Hock who runs for an easy first down.
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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

How many teams thought tanking for Baker Mayfield Josh Rosen Sam Darnold Kyler Murray was a good idea? I doubt any will admit it now but I am sure some thought there was a can’t miss in that list.

Walk into locker room and tell the team the plan is to suck beyond sucking so they can position themselves to draft a kid.

Bet that would go over just great.

It was a good idea. And when it didn't work out you try it again. And again. At least you have a chance versus an overpriced vet who will get you mediocrity but no shot at the ultimate goal.

The Vikings are not a QB away. No QB is going to make a playoff run with the worst defense in the entire league, not just the worst defense of playoff teams but the entire league.

The Vikings have not let anybody good walk because of the QB contract.

The drafts have been horrible, that's how you build a team. The GM'ing has also been horrible.... hanging on to safeties, LB, and RB at the expense of salary cap space should never happen. Have a really good LB, Safety, or RB? Trade them to a sucker for high draft picks.

I'm struggling to keep up with this conversation. Trying to find a top-10 QB and not giving up until you do is independent of current talent of defense, good drafting, bad drafting, hanging on to players too long, etc...

You always have to make good decisions outside of who the QB is. You think GB is 8-9 because of Rodgers? You think LAC are 10-7 because their GM had a stellar year?

I look back specifically on those 3 drafts as the reason we didn't go farther in the playoffs.

Same reason we went farther with Case. 2014 and 2015 drafts produced 5 bonafide starters (Waynes, Barr, Kendricks, Diggs, and Hunter). Also Teddy and McKinnon. They need a stellar 2023 draft no matter what direction they choose.