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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/21/2023 9:32:54 AM   
Richard Neussendorfer

 

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

It's seriously time to rip the bandaid off. Get rid of these dumbass contracts even if it means you win 3 games next year. Whatever they do DO NOT extend Cousins.


Overthecap shows we are 24 million in the red, spottrac shows 14 million.

I doubt the pending DC will have any say. We need someone confident enough to start out from the ground up, actually a couple of feet under the ground.

Kwesi: We have to jettison half the defense. Our cap situation will suck even with that, so you'll have some bottom feeder FAs to augment a bunch of, well, backup types. The good news is we have the draft. But we only have 4 picks and so far I suck at dradfting.

DC: Hold on... Chicago is calling. Hey, nice meeting you, gotta run.

I can easily see 2 years of suckdom. This is the pain of all the stupidity we engaged in. Time to man up and make the necessary moves for the long term. So that means they'll do the opposite.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/21/2023 9:33:10 AM   
Bill Johanesen


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Status: offline 		Basically we need a DC who wants to embrace the suck. One with a Black Mamba mentality.

There was a snippet about that Wisconsin DC going to Alabama. To a place that perennially is at or near the top WRT talent. If true, that is not the guy who will want to come to Minnesota nor is it someone I'd necessarily want at this point in time.

< Message edited by Bill Johanesen -- 1/21/2023 9:36:12 AM >
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/21/2023 9:34:10 AM   
Richard Neussendorfer

 

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Basically we need a DC who wants to embrace the suck. One with a Black Mamba mentality.

Agreed
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/21/2023 9:46:22 AM   
Bill Johanesen


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Status: offline 		Two years? I'd say three for sure. Assuming a 4-3:

DL: Journeymen plus the quagmire that is Danielle Hunter.
LB: Asamoah and Dye are going to be the only LBs on the roster in 5 weeks! Maybe get something for Za Smith in a trade.
CB: A mixed bag of mediocrity and hope. Definitely more Gilligan's Island than Revis Island.
S: Absolutely no proven talent.

No 2nd rounder (for now) this year. The offense will again assure there won't be a high draft pick next year.

Yep, three years at least.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/21/2023 10:02:02 AM   
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Get lots of speed and hope that can cover up mistakes.

Slow smart vets don’t work.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/21/2023 10:31:01 AM   
HL OSWALD

 

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Would that not continue us running a 3-4 scheme?

switch back to 4-3 with little talent we have left on D seems to make more sense?
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/21/2023 10:42:43 AM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/21/2023 10:46:34 AM   
Tom Sykes

 

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Two years? I'd say three for sure. Assuming a 4-3:

DL: Journeymen plus the quagmire that is Danielle Hunter.
LB: Asamoah and Dye are going to be the only LBs on the roster in 5 weeks! Maybe get something for Za Smith in a trade.
CB: A mixed bag of mediocrity and hope. Definitely more Gilligan's Island than Revis Island.
S: Absolutely no proven talent.

No 2nd rounder (for now) this year. The offense will again assure there won't be a high draft pick next year.

Yep, three years at least.

Three years? On paper, okay. This tree has been withering down to its roots for several years.

But … Zimmer bankrupted whatever expertise he had and Donatell never found a fit for these players, young or old. We really have no idea what we have short-medium-long term.

I’m not expecting it but it would not surprise me to see someone fresh, say born in the the last 200 years, come in here and get more out of the leftovers than before. Maybe much more.

I agree the talent level is very low with negative resources in January for augmentation … but its January. Cut some fat contracts, squeeze some more / anything out of last year’s draft picks, add a pick or two in April, a boodle of journeymen FAs and UDFAs … maybe even a 2nd tier FA or two … nfl units can metamorphise pretty quickly, at least I think without proof to back that up.

You can say three years as a logical premise but its premature as projections go. It will at the bery least be interesting to see what a different mind, presumably hopefully sharper, does with some of the same pieces.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/21/2023 10:53:58 AM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/21/2023 11:02:00 AM   
Tom Sykes

 

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Status: offline 		I dont expect any genius hires. I dont care about 3-4 or 4-3 as as a base. I care about pressure, aggressiveness and malicious intent. Give me Trevor Guyton running at OL like he wants to spoon their eyes out over high priced no show Pierce. I want WRs having to run around and in between defenders … not through open fields like alpine Julie Andrews .. you know when you were a kid playing street football and you had to squeeze between cars to get open … contested routes not just contested catches. I want it to at least look like we have 11 players on the field.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/21/2023 11:03:37 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

It's seriously time to rip the bandaid off. Get rid of these dumbass contracts even if it means you win 3 games next year. Whatever they do DO NOT extend Cousins.


Overthecap shows we are 24 million in the red, spottrac shows 14 million.

I doubt the pending DC will have any say. We need someone confident enough to start out from the ground up, actually a couple of feet under the ground.

Kwesi: We have to jettison half the defense. Our cap situation will suck even with that, so you'll have some bottom feeder FAs to augment a bunch of, well, backup types. The good news is we have the draft. But we only have 4 picks and so far I suck at dradfting.

DC: Hold on... Chicago is calling. Hey, nice meeting you, gotta run.


because of the playing time some of the rookie contract players have gotten, escalators will kick in, and around $2mm will be added to their 2023 salaries...overthecap has factored this in, while spotrac has not....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/21/2023 11:13:16 AM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/21/2023 11:38:42 AM   
Bill Johanesen


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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

It's seriously time to rip the bandaid off. Get rid of these dumbass contracts even if it means you win 3 games next year. Whatever they do DO NOT extend Cousins.


Overthecap shows we are 24 million in the red, spottrac shows 14 million.

I doubt the pending DC will have any say. We need someone confident enough to start out from the ground up, actually a couple of feet under the ground.

Kwesi: We have to jettison half the defense. Our cap situation will suck even with that, so you'll have some bottom feeder FAs to augment a bunch of, well, backup types. The good news is we have the draft. But we only have 4 picks and so far I suck at dradfting.

DC: Hold on... Chicago is calling. Hey, nice meeting you, gotta run.


because of the playing time some of the rookie contract players have gotten, escalators will kick in, and around $2mm will be added to their 2023 salaries...overthecap has factored this in, while spotrac has not....


Ah, "play the young guys"... to the tune of $10 million in 2023 cap.

The hits just keep on coming.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/21/2023 1:42:41 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/21/2023 4:32:21 PM   
Ricky J


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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

It's seriously time to rip the bandaid off. Get rid of these dumbass contracts even if it means you win 3 games next year. Whatever they do DO NOT extend Cousins.

I get the impression the guys that are ok with 3 wins next year [and wasnt 3 yrs of the same mentioned?] are not drawing a pension yet
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/21/2023 4:43:23 PM   
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The timing is perfect for Erin Rodgers to duplicate the Bret Favre Vikings saga.

GFYS…

Seriously…

With a sandy, ghost chili salsa lubed corn cob..

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/21/2023 7:09:12 PM   
Bill Johanesen


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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

It's seriously time to rip the bandaid off. Get rid of these dumbass contracts even if it means you win 3 games next year. Whatever they do DO NOT extend Cousins.

I get the impression the guys that are ok with 3 wins next year [and wasnt 3 yrs of the same mentioned?] are not drawing a pension yet


WHO here is "ok" with 3 wins next year?

And you insinuate "and 3 yrs of the same mentioned" is related to that, hours after I post it? As if they are related? Why don't you stand on your OWN merit/posts... for once. But first create some material, GFG.

< Message edited by Bill Johanesen -- 1/21/2023 7:22:23 PM >
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/21/2023 7:37:37 PM   
Bill Johanesen


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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/21/2023 7:37:45 PM   
Ricky J


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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricky J

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

It's seriously time to rip the bandaid off. Get rid of these dumbass contracts even if it means you win 3 games next year. Whatever they do DO NOT extend Cousins.

I get the impression the guys that are ok with 3 wins next year [and wasnt 3 yrs of the same mentioned?] are not drawing a pension yet


WHO here is "ok" with 3 wins next year?

And you insinuate "and 3 yrs of the same mentioned" is related to that, hours after I post it? As if they are related? Why don't you stand on your OWN merit/posts... for once. But first create some material, GFG.

Why don't you go take your pill?

Ok, ill change my post to mean the same thing but with different words:

Im not at all ok with a total rebuild Im too old for that shit.

So, F you, Bill!
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/21/2023 7:48:18 PM   
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Tougher road when the DBs are within 5 yards.

God the Vikings defense is garbage.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/21/2023 7:51:09 PM   
Bill Johanesen


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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricky J

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

It's seriously time to rip the bandaid off. Get rid of these dumbass contracts even if it means you win 3 games next year. Whatever they do DO NOT extend Cousins.

I get the impression the guys that are ok with 3 wins next year [and wasnt 3 yrs of the same mentioned?] are not drawing a pension yet


WHO here is "ok" with 3 wins next year?

And you insinuate "and 3 yrs of the same mentioned" is related to that, hours after I post it? As if they are related? Why don't you stand on your OWN merit/posts... for once. But first create some material, GFG.

Why don't you go take your pill?

Ok, ill change my post to mean the same thing but with different words:

Im not at all ok with a total rebuild Im too old for that shit.

So, F you, Bill!


Finally! LOL, deal with it!

And FU back Ricky J!
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/21/2023 7:51:52 PM   
Bill Johanesen


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Daniel Jones is exactly who we thought he was.

Tougher road when the DBs are within 5 yards.

God the Vikings defense is garbage.


What's amazing is the level of us to the NYG, then the Giants to Philly.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/21/2023 7:54:03 PM   
HL OSWALD

 

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Any semblance of a defense and we would likely be playing in Santa Clara tomorrow...
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/21/2023 8:08:30 PM   
Bill Johanesen


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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/21/2023 8:12:38 PM   
Bill Johanesen


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It shows how far we have to go. Of course being blown out by good teams was the first indicator.

Total rebuild on... LMAO!
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