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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/8/2023 12:21:57 PM   
Phil Riewer


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Status: offline 		My bad on the stats but once again but there are worse contracts and fits at QB than Cousins. When the Kirk whiners have to agree to that they struggle and bitch.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/8/2023 12:32:08 PM  5 votes
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MAGA culture has taught them they can just make up any shit they want and just move on with their lives with no consequences.

I don't know what MAGA means. Are you talking about me?

Make America Great Again.

Again, are you talking about me David?


You seriously don’t know what MAGA means? The red hats? The president from 2016 to 2020? The rallies? The violent insurrection at the capital?

I have no idea what your political identity is nor did you post a big fat smelly lie earlier this morning so I’m not sure why you feel singled out.

Did you not read the post you quoted? Obviously I looked it up and took offense.

I'd like to think I don't have a political identity, other than I voted 3rd party because sleepy joe was the best you could come up with.

-might not of been any confusion if you would of used him instead of them, especially following Tom's bs post.


I’m on my phone in the car. Usually I’m on my desktop at work and can be more precise.

I didn’t nominate joe Biden by the way

I've never figured out how a old white guy with a history of saying racist things beat a true progessive(Bernie), a woman(Kloubuchar) and a gay man. This is the so called Progressive Party.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/8/2023 12:47:31 PM   
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My bad on the stats but once again but there are worse contracts and fits at QB than Cousins. When the Kirk whiners have to agree to that they struggle and bitch.


Who cares about other bad contracts.

I want the Vikings to win a Super Bowl and they will never be able to do that with Kirk. Even if he played for free, imo

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/8/2023 12:55:15 PM  1 votes
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ORIGINAL: David F.

MAGA culture has taught them they can just make up any shit they want and just move on with their lives with no consequences.

I don't know what MAGA means. Are you talking about me?

Make America Great Again.

Again, are you talking about me David?


You seriously don’t know what MAGA means? The red hats? The president from 2016 to 2020? The rallies? The violent insurrection at the capital?

I have no idea what your political identity is nor did you post a big fat smelly lie earlier this morning so I’m not sure why you feel singled out.

Did you not read the post you quoted? Obviously I looked it up and took offense.

I'd like to think I don't have a political identity, other than I voted 3rd party because sleepy joe was the best you could come up with.

-might not of been any confusion if you would of used him instead of them, especially following Tom's bs post.


I’m on my phone in the car. Usually I’m on my desktop at work and can be more precise.

I didn’t nominate joe Biden by the way

I've never figured out how a old white guy with a history of saying racist things beat a true progessive(Bernie), a woman(Kloubuchar) and a gay man. This is the so called Progressive Party.


I shouldn't contribute to this politcial shit in the Viking thread, but the Republicans only ran old white men.

So which is more progressive?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/8/2023 1:17:40 PM  1 votes
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MAGA culture has taught them they can just make up any shit they want and just move on with their lives with no consequences.

I don't know what MAGA means. Are you talking about me?

Make America Great Again.

Again, are you talking about me David?


You seriously don’t know what MAGA means? The red hats? The president from 2016 to 2020? The rallies? The violent insurrection at the capital?

I have no idea what your political identity is nor did you post a big fat smelly lie earlier this morning so I’m not sure why you feel singled out.

Did you not read the post you quoted? Obviously I looked it up and took offense.

I'd like to think I don't have a political identity, other than I voted 3rd party because sleepy joe was the best you could come up with.

-might not of been any confusion if you would of used him instead of them, especially following Tom's bs post.


I’m on my phone in the car. Usually I’m on my desktop at work and can be more precise.

I didn’t nominate joe Biden by the way

I've never figured out how a old white guy with a history of saying racist things beat a true progessive(Bernie), a woman(Kloubuchar) and a gay man. This is the so called Progressive Party.


I shouldn't contribute to this politcial shit in the Viking thread, but the Republicans only ran old white men.

So which is more progressive?

Trump was Orange, that's progressive.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/8/2023 1:18:00 PM   
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My bad on the stats but once again but there are worse contracts and fits at QB than Cousins. When the Kirk whiners have to agree to that they struggle and bitch.

Who can we get in draft?

Stroud, Levis, Young, Ricardson will be gone.

Hooker? or is that a reach?
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/8/2023 1:19:58 PM   
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My bad on the stats but once again but there are worse contracts and fits at QB than Cousins. When the Kirk whiners have to agree to that they struggle and bitch.

Who can we get in draft?

Stroud, Levis, Young, Ricardson will be gone.

Hooker? or is that a reach?

Which round?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/8/2023 1:20:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

My bad on the stats but once again but there are worse contracts and fits at QB than Cousins. When the Kirk whiners have to agree to that they struggle and bitch.

Who can we get in draft?

Stroud, Levis, Young, Ricardson will be gone.

Hooker? or is that a reach?

Which round?

1st, we don't have a 2nd.

< Message edited by Mark Anderson -- 3/8/2023 1:21:30 PM >
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/8/2023 1:21:14 PM   
bstinger


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My bad on the stats but once again but there are worse contracts and fits at QB than Cousins. When the Kirk whiners have to agree to that they struggle and bitch.

Who can we get in draft?

Stroud, Levis, Young, Ricardson will be gone.

Hooker? or is that a reach?

Which round?

1st

PFF has a late 3rd round grade on him.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/8/2023 1:22:23 PM   
Mark Anderson

 

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ORIGINAL: David F.

MAGA culture has taught them they can just make up any shit they want and just move on with their lives with no consequences.

I don't know what MAGA means. Are you talking about me?

Make America Great Again.

Again, are you talking about me David?


You seriously don’t know what MAGA means? The red hats? The president from 2016 to 2020? The rallies? The violent insurrection at the capital?

I have no idea what your political identity is nor did you post a big fat smelly lie earlier this morning so I’m not sure why you feel singled out.

Did you not read the post you quoted? Obviously I looked it up and took offense.

I'd like to think I don't have a political identity, other than I voted 3rd party because sleepy joe was the best you could come up with.

-might not of been any confusion if you would of used him instead of them, especially following Tom's bs post.


I’m on my phone in the car. Usually I’m on my desktop at work and can be more precise.

I didn’t nominate joe Biden by the way

I've never figured out how a old white guy with a history of saying racist things beat a true progessive(Bernie), a woman(Kloubuchar) and a gay man. This is the so called Progressive Party.


I shouldn't contribute to this politcial shit in the Viking thread, but the Republicans only ran old white men.

So which is more progressive?

Trump was Orange, that's progressive.


But it is the most beautiful, bigly orange ever.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/8/2023 1:22:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Tanner McKee from Stanford has a late 1st round grade. Big, but a statue.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/8/2023 1:27:37 PM   
Mark Anderson

 

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

My bad on the stats but once again but there are worse contracts and fits at QB than Cousins. When the Kirk whiners have to agree to that they struggle and bitch.

Who can we get in draft?

Stroud, Levis, Young, Ricardson will be gone.

Hooker? or is that a reach?

Which round?

1st

PFF has a late 3rd round grade on him.

How about a 5th for Zach Wilson? KOC might be able work some magic with him.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/8/2023 1:34:16 PM  1 votes
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ORIGINAL: David F.

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MAGA culture has taught them they can just make up any shit they want and just move on with their lives with no consequences.

I don't know what MAGA means. Are you talking about me?

Make America Great Again.

Again, are you talking about me David?


You seriously don’t know what MAGA means? The red hats? The president from 2016 to 2020? The rallies? The violent insurrection at the capital?

I have no idea what your political identity is nor did you post a big fat smelly lie earlier this morning so I’m not sure why you feel singled out.

Did you not read the post you quoted? Obviously I looked it up and took offense.

I'd like to think I don't have a political identity, other than I voted 3rd party because sleepy joe was the best you could come up with.

-might not of been any confusion if you would of used him instead of them, especially following Tom's bs post.


I’m on my phone in the car. Usually I’m on my desktop at work and can be more precise.

I didn’t nominate joe Biden by the way

I've never figured out how a old white guy with a history of saying racist things beat a true progessive(Bernie), a woman(Kloubuchar) and a gay man. This is the so called Progressive Party.


I shouldn't contribute to this politcial shit in the Viking thread, but the Republicans only ran old white men.

So which is more progressive?

Trump was Orange, that's progressive.


Paint doesn't count.

When Vikings fans tear off their shirts and put purple body paint all over their chests...are they no longer white? Are they now purple?

I'm sure if I painted my face black then tried to pass myself off as black, nobody would be offended.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/8/2023 1:50:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: David F.

MAGA culture has taught them they can just make up any shit they want and just move on with their lives with no consequences.

I don't know what MAGA means. Are you talking about me?

Make America Great Again.

Again, are you talking about me David?


You seriously don’t know what MAGA means? The red hats? The president from 2016 to 2020? The rallies? The violent insurrection at the capital?

I have no idea what your political identity is nor did you post a big fat smelly lie earlier this morning so I’m not sure why you feel singled out.

Did you not read the post you quoted? Obviously I looked it up and took offense.

I'd like to think I don't have a political identity, other than I voted 3rd party because sleepy joe was the best you could come up with.

-might not of been any confusion if you would of used him instead of them, especially following Tom's bs post.


I’m on my phone in the car. Usually I’m on my desktop at work and can be more precise.

I didn’t nominate joe Biden by the way

I've never figured out how a old white guy with a history of saying racist things beat a true progessive(Bernie), a woman(Kloubuchar) and a gay man. This is the so called Progressive Party.


I shouldn't contribute to this politcial shit in the Viking thread, but the Republicans only ran old white men.

So which is more progressive?

Trump was Orange, that's progressive.


Paint doesn't count.

When Vikings fans tear off their shirts and put purple body paint all over their chests...are they no longer white? Are they now purple?

I'm sure if I painted my face black then tried to pass myself off as black, nobody would be offended.

Lighten up Francis, it was a joke.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/8/2023 2:10:26 PM   
David Levine


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Tanner McKee from Stanford has a late 1st round grade. Big, but a statue.


No statues.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/8/2023 2:23:34 PM   
bstinger


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Tanner McKee from Stanford has a late 1st round grade. Big, but a statue.


No statues.

To be clear, it wasn't a recommendation by me. Just giving Mark the answer to who we could draft in the 1st round without it being an overreach.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/8/2023 2:42:37 PM   
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Tanner McKee from Stanford has a late 1st round grade. Big, but a statue.


No statues.

To be clear, it wasn't a recommendation by me. Just giving Mark the answer to who we could draft in the 1st round without it being an overreach.


Bill had a good mid rounder...big, can run, and took care of the ball. Injuries and already being 25 will drop him.


Alan Hendon Hooker is an American football quarterback. He played college football for Virginia Tech before transferring to Tennessee in 2021.
Born: January 13, 1998 (age 25 years), Greensboro, NC
Date joined: 2021 (Tennessee Volunteers football)
Bowl games: 2021 Music City Bowl; 2022 Orange Bowl
Class: Senior
College: Virginia Tech (2017–2020); Tennessee (2021–2022)
Height: 6 ft 4 in (1.93 m)
High school: Dudley (Greensboro)

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/8/2023 3:01:24 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/8/2023 3:04:05 PM   
David Levine


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My bad on the stats but once again but there are worse contracts and fits at QB than Cousins. When the Kirk whiners have to agree to that they struggle and bitch.

Who can we get in draft?

Stroud, Levis, Young, Ricardson will be gone.

Hooker? or is that a reach?

Which round?

1st

PFF has a late 3rd round grade on him.


I bet he goes much higher. Especially with news that his knee recovery is on track and he should be ready by TC.


Sharp Football Analysis
From a production stance, Hendon Hooker has a stellar resume

He threw 58 TDs to just 5 INTs the past two seasons

He'll exit college with career marks of:
- 9.5 Y/A (96th percentile)
- 6.7:1 TD:INT ratio (96th percentile)
- 66.9% completion rate (85th percentile)
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/8/2023 3:24:32 PM   
David Levine


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Tanner McKee from Stanford has a late 1st round grade. Big, but a statue.


No statues.

To be clear, it wasn't a recommendation by me. Just giving Mark the answer to who we could draft in the 1st round without it being an overreach.


I get that. Just pointing out he's a potential disaster. I'm seeing a lot more 3rd or 4th round projections of him.

McKee immediately checks the height requirement boxes. McKee has the advantage of standing tall in the pocket with a full view of his route options over his offensive line. He is a throwback-style quarterback that thrives on winning from the pocket. When protected, McKee can distribute the football with confidence. He is most effective when attacking the short and intermediate areas of the field. This season, Stanford implemented more deep-mesh RPO into their offense, along with designed boots/rollouts. McKee did not look like a fish out of water and operated them effectively.

When McKee is on, he looks like one of the better pure passers in the country. He has round-one-level arm strength and talent. McKee can drive passes into tight windows with optimal velocity. Far hash throws are not difficult for McKee to complete. He is improving on throwing the back shoulder fades to bigger receivers on the perimeter. Due to the amount of play-action and RPO run, McKee has good ball-handling skills. He sells the handoff well to manipulate second-level defenders to free space and hit routes behind them.

As stated above, McKee is a throwback pure pocket passer. This style is not viewed as highly as it once was decades ago. McKee does not provide/offer any adlib or improvisational skills to an offense. McKee is still learning and developing to throw with the combination of touch and ball placement. He struggles with taking RPMs off his passes and layer the ball on downfield attempts. He shortens throwing windows by double-hitching and being late to the draw. He trusts his arm talent too much and puts the ball in compromising positions.

Due to him not being a fleet-footed passer, the offensive line will need to be well-built to maximize his chances of success at the next level. McKee struggles with handling pressure. His completion percentage dropped from 66.5% when kept clean in the pocket to 41% when pressured. Free runners will neutralize McKee immediately. He does not have the foot speed or agility to evade them and create second-reaction throws. Once he is moved off his spot, his overall accuracy dips. McKee is a “by design” quarterback. When things are dialed up and executed to the design, he can operate well within structure. Making plays out of structure is not in McKee’s wheelhouse.



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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/8/2023 3:45:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Certain QB's need very good protection in order to function. Kirk is in that catagory.

Goff also needs max protect and did play well this past season behind a very well built oline.

Not sure where I'm going with this. Carry on.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/8/2023 3:54:11 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/9/2023 2:19:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

My bad on the stats but once again but there are worse contracts and fits at QB than Cousins. When the Kirk whiners have to agree to that they struggle and bitch.

Who can we get in draft?

Stroud, Levis, Young, Ricardson will be gone.

Hooker? or is that a reach?

Which round?

1st

PFF has a late 3rd round grade on him.

How about a 5th for Zach Wilson? KOC might be able work some magic with him.



zach wilson is christian ponder...can only hit stationary targets....



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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/9/2023 7:43:33 AM   
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I think they're mostly fine in the regular season, but when you're facing better defenses in the Playoffs (or even during the regular season), being that reliant on a clean pocket is a recipe for disaster.

Having a defense that gives up over 25 points-per-game doesn't help either.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/9/2023 10:52:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Pretty decent mock here without trading any of our current players but doing multiple trade backs to accumulate picks.

Assumptions:
Z Smith, Thielen, Cook, Bradbury, Hicks, and Ham are gone along with Kendricks.

I replace Smith with the 1st pick, Bradbury with the second, Thielen with the 3rd, Cook with the 4th, and one of the LB's with the 5th. Cook's replacement with the last pick. Got a bad grade on the RB which is confusing because I got the 82nd ranked player with the 109th pick. It's a guy that Thor Nystrom likes as are many of the later picks. He raved about the Old Dominion TE, he tested off the charts at the combine and is 6'7".

Depth added at several positions including a flyer on a QB from Quarterback U. He's likely a career backup, but we could use a good backup.


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