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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/5/2023 2:56:31 PM

Todd M

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Balt gets 2 1sts from us and Lance.

We get Jackson and a 2024 1st from SF.

SF gets Cousins and whatever pick from Balt for Lance.

we give balt a 1st round pick, and SF gives them lance....

sf gives us 'some' pick....

we give sf cousins....

i don't see baltimore accepting lamar back, so they should take what they can get....

How does the 'take what they can get' work when the tag is for; right to match or they get 2 1st rounders?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/5/2023 4:36:09 PM

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/5/2023 4:38:09 PM

Ricky J

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Did i hear right, Balt would have to pay him 35 million to play ?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/5/2023 4:51:57 PM

Bill Johanesen

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Lamar Jackson is not coming to Minnesota.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/5/2023 5:30:32 PM

ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Balt gets 2 1sts from us and Lance.

We get Jackson and a 2024 1st from SF.

SF gets Cousins and whatever pick from Balt for Lance.

we give balt a 1st round pick, and SF gives them lance....

sf gives us 'some' pick....
quote:

we give sf cousins....

i don't see baltimore accepting lamar back, so they should take what they can get....

How does the 'take what they can get' work when the tag is for; right to match or

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/5/2023 6:06:29 PM

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Maybe the Vikings go safety (Brian Branch) with their first pick:

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/5/2023 9:59:05 PM

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I have a feeling there is a strong chance the Vikings draft a QB in either the 1st or 2nd round, and I don't like it.

I think there is a great chance it will be Hooker. And I think Hooker will be a disappointment, and it will also prevent any chance of getting Caleb Williams, or another strong QB prospect in either the '24 or '25 draft.

It is my hope the Vikings only take a flyer on a QB in the 3rd round or later in this year's draft.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/6/2023 1:23:49 AM

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Balt gets 2 1sts from us and Lance.

We get Jackson and a 2024 1st from SF.

SF gets Cousins and whatever pick from Balt for Lance.

we give balt a 1st round pick, and SF gives them lance....

sf gives us 'some' pick....

we give sf cousins....

i don't see baltimore accepting lamar back, so they should take what they can get....

How does the 'take what they can get' work when the tag is for; right to match or they get 2 1st rounders?

If nobody wants to give up 2 draft picks for him, then Baltimore will have to pay him the average of the top 5 qb salaries.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/6/2023 4:54:37 AM

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What I was trying to figure out was - can they recind the non exclusive tag and then trade him for something other than 2 1sts?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/6/2023 8:00:38 AM

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Non exclusive tag is for 32ml this season. But Jackson has not signed it. So he might sit out next season if a trade/contract can't be executed.

Jackson does not have an agent either. Not sure I want anything to do with the guy.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/6/2023 9:35:42 AM

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What I was trying to figure out was - can they recind the non exclusive tag and then trade him for something other than 2 1sts?

I believe that Baltimore can negotiate a deal outside of the tag...the pre-determined tag costs of a deal is for a player that has active suitors, and would guarantee Baltimore a fixed, minimum, trade value....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/6/2023 9:47:41 AM

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One talking head speculated could match any offer and then ask for even more in a following trade.

Lamar is swimming in deep water with some serious sharks, he is in way over his head.

If he had an agent he would have signed an extension a couple years ago like Josh Allen got in Buffalo and banked millions and millions.

If he wants to sit out next season and be a martyr that's his choice but "martyr" don't spend too well for the 70+ years he has to live going forward.

Lamar is the wrong guy. Mahomes gets a fully guaranteed deal IMO. Lamar isn't in my top 5 QBs that I would want. Frankly after Mahomes I don't get a boner for anybody else.

If Lamar sits, he isn't doing himself anything good towards being a true Free Agent correct? Basically everything is put on Pause and the only think going on is Lamar getting older.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/6/2023 9:49:40 AM

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

What I was trying to figure out was - can they recind the non exclusive tag and then trade him for something other than 2 1sts?

I believe that Baltimore can negotiate a deal outside of the tag...the pre-determined tag costs of a deal is for a player that has active suitors, and would guarantee Baltimore a fixed, minimum, trade value....

Yeah.

I think a team like Indy could give them #4 overall this year and a 2nd rounder next year.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/6/2023 9:54:00 AM

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

One talking head speculated could match any offer and then ask for even more in a following trade.

Lamar is swimming in deep water with some serious sharks, he is in way over his head.

If he had an agent he would have signed an extension a couple years ago like Josh Allen got in Buffalo and banked millions and millions.

If he wants to sit out next season and be a martyr that's his choice but "martyr" don't spend too well for the 70+ years he has to live going forward.

Lamar is the wrong guy. Mahomes gets a fully guaranteed deal IMO. Lamar isn't in my top 5 QBs that I would want. Frankly after Mahomes I don't get a boner for anybody else.

If Lamar sits, he isn't doing himself anything good towards being a true Free Agent correct? Basically everything is put on Pause and the only think going on is Lamar getting older.

I think he wanted to be a Curt Flood type person(a pioneer). Leading the way to everyone not hiring agents.

I think he will eventually find out that the Agents earn their 3-5%.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/6/2023 10:07:26 AM

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

One talking head speculated could match any offer and then ask for even more in a following trade.

Lamar is swimming in deep water with some serious sharks, he is in way over his head.

If he had an agent he would have signed an extension a couple years ago like Josh Allen got in Buffalo and banked millions and millions.

If he wants to sit out next season and be a martyr that's his choice but "martyr" don't spend too well for the 70+ years he has to live going forward.

Lamar is the wrong guy. Mahomes gets a fully guaranteed deal IMO. Lamar isn't in my top 5 QBs that I would want. Frankly after Mahomes I don't get a boner for anybody else.

If Lamar sits, he isn't doing himself anything good towards being a true Free Agent correct? Basically everything is put on Pause and the only think going on is Lamar getting older.

Baltimore may like the backup (Huntley) better than Lamar the longer this plays out. Lamar has just had so many injuries that no one will guarantee 5 years and probably not 3 fully.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/6/2023 10:14:58 AM

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

One talking head speculated could match any offer and then ask for even more in a following trade.

Lamar is swimming in deep water with some serious sharks, he is in way over his head.

If he had an agent he would have signed an extension a couple years ago like Josh Allen got in Buffalo and banked millions and millions.

If he wants to sit out next season and be a martyr that's his choice but "martyr" don't spend too well for the 70+ years he has to live going forward.

Lamar is the wrong guy. Mahomes gets a fully guaranteed deal IMO. Lamar isn't in my top 5 QBs that I would want. Frankly after Mahomes I don't get a boner for anybody else.

If Lamar sits, he isn't doing himself anything good towards being a true Free Agent correct? Basically everything is put on Pause and the only think going on is Lamar getting older.

I think he wanted to be a Curt Flood type person(a pioneer). Leading the way to everyone not hiring agents.

I think he will eventually find out that the Agents earn their 3-5%.

On NFL radio they mentioned two deals that Lamar has already turned down from Baltimore. 3 years 133 million fully guaranteed and 6 years 250 million with (I think?) 150 million guaranteed. They said he's in position now to lose out on more money than Leveon Bell ever missed out on. Also, sidenote - 3% is the most an agent can charge so he really isn't "saving" much at all even if he negotiated a great deal for himself.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/6/2023 10:17:56 AM

Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

One talking head speculated could match any offer and then ask for even more in a following trade.

Lamar is swimming in deep water with some serious sharks, he is in way over his head.

If he had an agent he would have signed an extension a couple years ago like Josh Allen got in Buffalo and banked millions and millions.

If he wants to sit out next season and be a martyr that's his choice but "martyr" don't spend too well for the 70+ years he has to live going forward.

Lamar is the wrong guy. Mahomes gets a fully guaranteed deal IMO. Lamar isn't in my top 5 QBs that I would want. Frankly after Mahomes I don't get a boner for anybody else.

If Lamar sits, he isn't doing himself anything good towards being a true Free Agent correct? Basically everything is put on Pause and the only think going on is Lamar getting older.

I think he wanted to be a Curt Flood type person(a pioneer). Leading the way to everyone not hiring agents.

I think he will eventually find out that the Agents earn their 3-5%.

On NFL radio they mentioned two deals that Lamar has already turned down from Baltimore. 3 years 133 million fully guaranteed and 6 years 250 million with (I think?) 150 million guaranteed. They said he's in position now to lose out on more money than Leveon Bell ever missed out on. Also, sidenote - 3% is the most an agent can charge so he really isn't "saving" much at all even if he negotiated a great deal for himself.

He is making a big mistake not taking it; he isn't Mahomes, Herbert, or Allen. That is big money.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/6/2023 10:25:27 AM

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

One talking head speculated could match any offer and then ask for even more in a following trade.

Lamar is swimming in deep water with some serious sharks, he is in way over his head.

If he had an agent he would have signed an extension a couple years ago like Josh Allen got in Buffalo and banked millions and millions.

If he wants to sit out next season and be a martyr that's his choice but "martyr" don't spend too well for the 70+ years he has to live going forward.

Lamar is the wrong guy. Mahomes gets a fully guaranteed deal IMO. Lamar isn't in my top 5 QBs that I would want. Frankly after Mahomes I don't get a boner for anybody else.

If Lamar sits, he isn't doing himself anything good towards being a true Free Agent correct? Basically everything is put on Pause and the only think going on is Lamar getting older.

I think he wanted to be a Curt Flood type person(a pioneer). Leading the way to everyone not hiring agents.

I think he will eventually find out that the Agents earn their 3-5%.

On NFL radio they mentioned two deals that Lamar has already turned down from Baltimore. 3 years 133 million fully guaranteed and 6 years 250 million with (I think?) 150 million guaranteed. They said he's in position now to lose out on more money than Leveon Bell ever missed out on. Also, sidenote - 3% is the most an agent can charge so he really isn't "saving" much at all even if he negotiated a great deal for himself.

It isn't a Latrell Sprewell situation because he(LJ) will eventually get multi generational wealth.

But, he is going to have lost a good chunk of money when it is all said and done.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/6/2023 10:31:52 AM

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Did i hear right, Balt would have to pay him 35 million to play ?

Feel like your're getting the You cant see me treatment, Rick?
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/6/2023 10:45:51 AM

Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

One talking head speculated could match any offer and then ask for even more in a following trade.

Lamar is swimming in deep water with some serious sharks, he is in way over his head.

If he had an agent he would have signed an extension a couple years ago like Josh Allen got in Buffalo and banked millions and millions.

If he wants to sit out next season and be a martyr that's his choice but "martyr" don't spend too well for the 70+ years he has to live going forward.

Lamar is the wrong guy. Mahomes gets a fully guaranteed deal IMO. Lamar isn't in my top 5 QBs that I would want. Frankly after Mahomes I don't get a boner for anybody else.

If Lamar sits, he isn't doing himself anything good towards being a true Free Agent correct? Basically everything is put on Pause and the only think going on is Lamar getting older.

I think he wanted to be a Curt Flood type person(a pioneer). Leading the way to everyone not hiring agents.

I think he will eventually find out that the Agents earn their 3-5%.

Culpepper did it here.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/6/2023 10:46:19 AM

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i don't think that lamar wants to wait another year to get large sums of money...he should do an interview with a major journalist and make a good showing - show that he is actually a responsible guy and anxious to get back to playing football his true love in life - be calm and cool...try to show other teams that he's not going to burn them in a deal...get a real agent and show that he's a professional....

i would bet that he ends up with a $150mm guaranteed deal somewhere....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/6/2023 10:48:02 AM

Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

One talking head speculated could match any offer and then ask for even more in a following trade.

Lamar is swimming in deep water with some serious sharks, he is in way over his head.

If he had an agent he would have signed an extension a couple years ago like Josh Allen got in Buffalo and banked millions and millions.

If he wants to sit out next season and be a martyr that's his choice but "martyr" don't spend too well for the 70+ years he has to live going forward.

Lamar is the wrong guy. Mahomes gets a fully guaranteed deal IMO. Lamar isn't in my top 5 QBs that I would want. Frankly after Mahomes I don't get a boner for anybody else.

If Lamar sits, he isn't doing himself anything good towards being a true Free Agent correct? Basically everything is put on Pause and the only think going on is Lamar getting older.

They rarely sit an entire season. Rather, they report in November or whenever to get the minimum amount of games in to count towards an accrued season.
McKinnie did something like that in his rookie season.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/6/2023 11:48:08 AM

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

One talking head speculated could match any offer and then ask for even more in a following trade.

Lamar is swimming in deep water with some serious sharks, he is in way over his head.

If he had an agent he would have signed an extension a couple years ago like Josh Allen got in Buffalo and banked millions and millions.

If he wants to sit out next season and be a martyr that's his choice but "martyr" don't spend too well for the 70+ years he has to live going forward.

Lamar is the wrong guy. Mahomes gets a fully guaranteed deal IMO. Lamar isn't in my top 5 QBs that I would want. Frankly after Mahomes I don't get a boner for anybody else.

If Lamar sits, he isn't doing himself anything good towards being a true Free Agent correct? Basically everything is put on Pause and the only think going on is Lamar getting older.

I think he wanted to be a Curt Flood type person(a pioneer). Leading the way to everyone not hiring agents.

I think he will eventually find out that the Agents earn their 3-5%.

On NFL radio they mentioned two deals that Lamar has already turned down from Baltimore. 3 years 133 million fully guaranteed and 6 years 250 million with (I think?) 150 million guaranteed. They said he's in position now to lose out on more money than Leveon Bell ever missed out on. Also, sidenote - 3% is the most an agent can charge so he really isn't "saving" much at all even if he negotiated a great deal for himself.

He is insane if he turned down those deals.

Some media like to point at Cousins initial Vikings deal and claim 'racism' because Gauranteed is all Lamar wants, like Cousins got.

Lamar didn't play through two tags and Lamar evidently was offered a 'Cousins' deal in 3 years fully guarnanteed.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/6/2023 1:13:51 PM

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

One talking head speculated could match any offer and then ask for even more in a following trade.

Lamar is swimming in deep water with some serious sharks, he is in way over his head.

If he had an agent he would have signed an extension a couple years ago like Josh Allen got in Buffalo and banked millions and millions.

If he wants to sit out next season and be a martyr that's his choice but "martyr" don't spend too well for the 70+ years he has to live going forward.

Lamar is the wrong guy. Mahomes gets a fully guaranteed deal IMO. Lamar isn't in my top 5 QBs that I would want. Frankly after Mahomes I don't get a boner for anybody else.

If Lamar sits, he isn't doing himself anything good towards being a true Free Agent correct? Basically everything is put on Pause and the only think going on is Lamar getting older.

I think he wanted to be a Curt Flood type person(a pioneer). Leading the way to everyone not hiring agents.

I think he will eventually find out that the Agents earn their 3-5%.

On NFL radio they mentioned two deals that Lamar has already turned down from Baltimore. 3 years 133 million fully guaranteed and 6 years 250 million with (I think?) 150 million guaranteed. They said he's in position now to lose out on more money than Leveon Bell ever missed out on. Also, sidenote - 3% is the most an agent can charge so he really isn't "saving" much at all even if he negotiated a great deal for himself.

He is insane if he turned down those deals.

Some media like to point at Cousins initial Vikings deal and claim 'racism' because Gauranteed is all Lamar wants, like Cousins got.

Lamar didn't play through two tags and Lamar evidently was offered a 'Cousins' deal in 3 years fully guarnanteed.

I see nobody is taking that report as fact (oh wait... there is the obligatory poster buying it), but that's how rumors become fact. Over on Baltimore Beatdown (like our Daily Norseman), someone mentioned it but others are not buying it w/o evidence.

How do you know Lamar only wants a fully-guaranteed contract?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/6/2023 1:25:48 PM

Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

One talking head speculated could match any offer and then ask for even more in a following trade.

Lamar is swimming in deep water with some serious sharks, he is in way over his head.

If he had an agent he would have signed an extension a couple years ago like Josh Allen got in Buffalo and banked millions and millions.

If he wants to sit out next season and be a martyr that's his choice but "martyr" don't spend too well for the 70+ years he has to live going forward.

Lamar is the wrong guy. Mahomes gets a fully guaranteed deal IMO. Lamar isn't in my top 5 QBs that I would want. Frankly after Mahomes I don't get a boner for anybody else.

If Lamar sits, he isn't doing himself anything good towards being a true Free Agent correct? Basically everything is put on Pause and the only think going on is Lamar getting older.

He would have signed a Josh Allen type extension? HOW? I think a/the fundamental problem is Jackson had a better year or years than Allen "a couple of years ago" but Baltimore was not willing to offer what Allen signed for.

And you're saying if he had an agent, the agent could have done all that?

Reel it in cowboy.

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