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cousins has always been a player whose stats and QB ratings masked the fact that he couldn't win games, now he's getting slammed for winning, but the stats aren't there...maybe he's a quarterback that can never have both...i prefer the game-winner to the stat guy....

just win, baby....

He's been able to bring us back against the Lions in the past. Can he do it against better competition? I hope so. I wouldn't bet on it.

Weird thing in the NFL....all teams are pretty good. Jacksonville is a scary team; they had Philly on the ropes for a while.

NE w/o a QB had GB on the ropes.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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cousins has always been a player whose stats and QB ratings masked the fact that he couldn't win games, now he's getting slammed for winning, but the stats aren't there...maybe he's a quarterback that can never have both...i prefer the game-winner to the stat guy....

just win, baby....

He's been able to bring us back against the Lions in the past. Can he do it against better competition? I hope so. I wouldn't bet on it.

Weird thing in the NFL....all teams are pretty good. Jacksonville is a scary team; they had Philly on the ropes for a while.

NE w/o a QB had GB on the ropes.

No doubt Phil. We have as get a shot as anyone. Hopefully we can shore some things up.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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cousins has always been a player whose stats and QB ratings masked the fact that he couldn't win games, now he's getting slammed for winning, but the stats aren't there...maybe he's a quarterback that can never have both...i prefer the game-winner to the stat guy....

just win, baby....

He's been able to bring us back against the Lions in the past. Can he do it against better competition? I hope so. I wouldn't bet on it.

Weird thing in the NFL....all teams are pretty good. Jacksonville is a scary team; they had Philly on the ropes for a while. NE w/o a QB had GB on the ropes.

We one one blowout, lost one blowout, won two close games....that is coaching.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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cousins has always been a player whose stats and QB ratings masked the fact that he couldn't win games, now he's getting slammed for winning, but the stats aren't there...maybe he's a quarterback that can never have both...i prefer the game-winner to the stat guy....

just win, baby....

He's been able to bring us back against the Lions in the past. Can he do it against better competition? I hope so. I wouldn't bet on it.

Weird thing in the NFL....all teams are pretty good. Jacksonville is a scary team; they had Philly on the ropes for a while. NE w/o a QB had GB on the ropes.

We one one blowout, lost one blowout, won two close games....that is coaching.

We won close games against two squads that won't be in the post-season. Weeks 6-11 are going to tell us where this team is at. That's the toughest stretch of the schedule. So far we have played one good football team, and got our asses kicked by them.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: JC2022

QUOTE: What to know: The Vikings are 3-1 even though their offense and defense, overhauled in the transition to new coach Kevin O'Connell, are very much works in progress. Sunday's game in London was won by their special teams -- place-kicker Greg Joseph kicked five field goals, including what proved to be the game winner from 47 yards out -- and was sealed only when Saints place-kicker Will Lutz hit the upright and crossbar from 61 yards away. Meanwhile, the offense has been disjointed and has struggled to get snaps off before the play clock. And the defense has given up huge chunks of yards at inopportune times.

Is quarterback Kirk Cousins going to be able to sharpen up in this offense? Cousins had a decent line Sunday, completing 25 of 38 passes for 273 yards, and made the key pass in the game to set up the game-winning field goal. But he missed receiver Justin Jefferson open twice in the end zone and has looked uncomfortable in the pocket in this new scheme. -- Kevin Seifert

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34685588/nfl-week-4-takeaways-learned-big-questions-every-game-future-team-outlooks

cousins was roughed-up plenty, even when he wasn't getting sacked...the vikes were far from dominant, but came up big when it counted...we are a work in progress...victories like the last two could give us a home game in the postseason....

if we converted back to a 4-3 defense i believe it would immediately pay dividends - we could play asamoah as an olb and it would strengthen our defensive tackle position by giving us more depth...i don't think hunter is comfortable as an olb edge rusher - and he's possibly our best player on defense....

i can see the vikes letting cook go and extending mattison on a 3yr/10mm contract this offseason....

I agree on the 4-3. I'm not a against changing the a 3-4 or mixing in a little from time to time, but it doesn't match our players strengths right now. I'd like to see Asamoah's speed on the field more too.

The big key to going 3-4 is stopping the run; it seems to be doing the reverse.

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cousins has always been a player whose stats and QB ratings masked the fact that he couldn't win games, now he's getting slammed for winning, but the stats aren't there...maybe he's a quarterback that can never have both...i prefer the game-winner to the stat guy....

just win, baby....

He's been able to bring us back against the Lions in the past. Can he do it against better competition? I hope so. I wouldn't bet on it.

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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cousins has always been a player whose stats and QB ratings masked the fact that he couldn't win games, now he's getting slammed for winning, but the stats aren't there...maybe he's a quarterback that can never have both...i prefer the game-winner to the stat guy....

just win, baby....

He's been able to bring us back against the Lions in the past. Can he do it against better competition? I hope so. I wouldn't bet on it.

somewhat bizarre fact: the lions lead the entire league in points scored this season with 140...yet they are 1-3....

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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cousins has always been a player whose stats and QB ratings masked the fact that he couldn't win games, now he's getting slammed for winning, but the stats aren't there...maybe he's a quarterback that can never have both...i prefer the game-winner to the stat guy....

just win, baby....

He's been able to bring us back against the Lions in the past. Can he do it against better competition? I hope so. I wouldn't bet on it.

somewhat bizarre fact: the lions lead the entire league in points scored this season with 140...yet they are 1-3....

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Gezuz Tom,

For once can we win the division outright by sweeping the division opposition?

The Puke have won 10 or more games in 9 of the last 12 seasons.

So yea, by gift, sway, or luck and talent, there needs to be at least 10 wins, to win this division, and I want it to be The Vikings.

It going to be difficult to get the #2 seed in our conference.

We practically Have to beat the Cardinals and Cowboys to have a shot at the #2 seed, because the Eagles are looking pretty damn good as the #1 seed in the NFC.

The only thing helping us is the east has to play out their round robin amongst themselves, but If Philadelphia sweeps the East, they are a lock for Seeding in the top 2 at least.

We have yet to play an AFC team, and we have Five teams in the AFC on our Schedule, Bills, Dolphins, Jets, Patriots, and Colts.

We are “lucky” that we have Detroit and Chicago in our division, but needing to come from behind against the lions, at home, was not a good look.

Backing into the playoffs with a near .500 record is how you see this season going?

This team is a hot mess on defense, and the Aints, beat up as they were, exposed our offensive line, yet again, as the forever and always, weakness that can shut us down.

If KC keeps getting hit, his current happy feet throws, duck and chuck, will get worse.

I don’t know what football by the Vikings you are watching, but what I’m seeing is a team, not ready for prime time, or playoffs.

It’s year one in the new regime, and I am happy to be at 3-1, but TBH, settling for Field Goals, in the redZone, will not win a wild Card game with this defense.

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Worries about the OL creeping in but they've given up the 4th least amount of sacks.


Then we're wondering about Cook/OL/running game but Cooks popping of a number of soldid rips along with what feels like too many 1/2 yd ones.


I don't know what to make of it.

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: JC2022

QUOTE: What to know: The Vikings are 3-1 even though their offense and defense, overhauled in the transition to new coach Kevin O'Connell, are very much works in progress. Sunday's game in London was won by their special teams -- place-kicker Greg Joseph kicked five field goals, including what proved to be the game winner from 47 yards out -- and was sealed only when Saints place-kicker Will Lutz hit the upright and crossbar from 61 yards away. Meanwhile, the offense has been disjointed and has struggled to get snaps off before the play clock. And the defense has given up huge chunks of yards at inopportune times.

Is quarterback Kirk Cousins going to be able to sharpen up in this offense? Cousins had a decent line Sunday, completing 25 of 38 passes for 273 yards, and made the key pass in the game to set up the game-winning field goal. But he missed receiver Justin Jefferson open twice in the end zone and has looked uncomfortable in the pocket in this new scheme. -- Kevin Seifert

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34685588/nfl-week-4-takeaways-learned-big-questions-every-game-future-team-outlooks

cousins was roughed-up plenty, even when he wasn't getting sacked...the vikes were far from dominant, but came up big when it counted...we are a work in progress...victories like the last two could give us a home game in the postseason....

if we converted back to a 4-3 defense i believe it would immediately pay dividends - we could play asamoah as an olb and it would strengthen our defensive tackle position by giving us more depth...i don't think hunter is comfortable as an olb edge rusher - and he's possibly our best player on defense....

i can see the vikes letting cook go and extending mattison on a 3yr/10mm contract this offseason....

I agree on the 4-3. I'm not a against changing the a 3-4 or mixing in a little from time to time, but it doesn't match our players strengths right now. I'd like to see Asamoah's speed on the field more too.

The big key to going 3-4 is stopping the run; it seems to be doing the reverse.

You need a beast in the middle. We don't have that.

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ORIGINAL: Todd M
Worries about the OL creeping in but they've given up the 4th least amount of sacks.
Then we're wondering about Cook/OL/running game but Cook's popping of a number of solid rips along with what feels like too many 1/2 yd ones.
I don't know what to make of it.

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Worries about the OL creeping in but they've given up the 4th least amount of sacks.


Then we're wondering about Cook/OL/running game but Cook's popping of a number of solid rips along with what feels like too many 1/2 yd ones.


I don't know what to make of it.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Gezuz Tom,

For once can we win the division outright by sweeping the division opposition?

The Puke have won 10 or more games in 9 of the last 12 seasons.

So yea, by gift, sway, or luck and talent, there needs to be at least 10 wins, to win this division, and I want it to be The Vikings.

It going to be difficult to get the #2 seed in our conference.

We practically Have to beat the Cardinals and Cowboys to have a shot at the #2 seed, because the Eagles are looking pretty damn good as the #1 seed in the NFC.

The only thing helping us is the east has to play out their round robin amongst themselves, but If Philadelphia sweeps the East, they are a lock for Seeding in the top 2 at least.

We have yet to play an AFC team, and we have Five teams in the AFC on our Schedule, Bills, Dolphins, Jets, Patriots, and Colts.

We are “lucky” that we have Detroit and Chicago in our division, but needing to come from behind against the lions, at home, was not a good look.

Backing into the playoffs with a near .500 record is how you see this season going?

This team is a hot mess on defense, and the Aints, beat up as they were, exposed our offensive line, yet again, as the forever and always, weakness that can shut us down.

If KC keeps getting hit, his current happy feet throws, duck and chuck, will get worse.

I don’t know what football by the Vikings you are watching, but what I’m seeing is a team, not ready for prime time, or playoffs.

It’s year one in the new regime, and I am happy to be at 3-1, but TBH, settling for Field Goals, in the redZone, will not win a wild Card game with this defense.

I'm not sure if you are misreading my post or I am misreading yours ... by 'gzuz Tom' you seem to be disputing my position.

We are playing like a .500 8-9 win team. Beating a half-ass GB, beating the Saints and Lions by one good play each ... sorry ... the 3-1 just feels dirty to me.

But its 3-1. AND, its possible to improve in a long season.

I concede that I'm not impressed with the NFC overall and that I'm especially down on our division. Right now, four games in.

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Worries about the OL creeping in but they've given up the 4th least amount of sacks.


Then we're wondering about Cook/OL/running game but Cook's popping of a number of solid rips along with what feels like too many 1/2 yd ones.


I don't know what to make of it.

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ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Gezuz Tom,

For once can we win the division outright by sweeping the division opposition?

The Puke have won 10 or more games in 9 of the last 12 seasons.

So yea, by gift, sway, or luck and talent, there needs to be at least 10 wins, to win this division, and I want it to be The Vikings.

It going to be difficult to get the #2 seed in our conference.

We practically Have to beat the Cardinals and Cowboys to have a shot at the #2 seed, because the Eagles are looking pretty damn good as the #1 seed in the NFC.

The only thing helping us is the east has to play out their round robin amongst themselves, but If Philadelphia sweeps the East, they are a lock for Seeding in the top 2 at least.

We have yet to play an AFC team, and we have Five teams in the AFC on our Schedule, Bills, Dolphins, Jets, Patriots, and Colts.

We are “lucky” that we have Detroit and Chicago in our division, but needing to come from behind against the lions, at home, was not a good look.

Backing into the playoffs with a near .500 record is how you see this season going?

This team is a hot mess on defense, and the Aints, beat up as they were, exposed our offensive line, yet again, as the forever and always, weakness that can shut us down.

If KC keeps getting hit, his current happy feet throws, duck and chuck, will get worse.

I don’t know what football by the Vikings you are watching, but what I’m seeing is a team, not ready for prime time, or playoffs.

It’s year one in the new regime, and I am happy to be at 3-1, but TBH, settling for Field Goals, in the redZone, will not win a wild Card game with this defense.

I'm not sure if you are misreading my post or I am misreading yours ... by 'gzuz Tom' you seem to be disputing my position.

We are playing like a .500 8-9 win team. Beating a half-ass GB, beating the Saints and Lions by one good play each ... sorry ... the 3-1 just feels dirty to me.

But its 3-1. AND, its possible to improve in a long season.

I concede that I'm not impressed with the NFC overall and that I'm especially down on our division. Right now, four games in.

It hasn't been overly impressive however there is a level of clutch in this team. Kirk leading a couple of got to have it drives, the D doing just enough to force FGs.

The Saints were really dominating both sides of the LOS in the 2nd half which is a major worry. This team will never have control of the game, the only time was vs GB with both of their starting tackles out.

Still the schedule is favorable, looks like 10-11 win season to me. No one is dominating the NFC except the Eagles. The Eagles are difficult matchup if you haven't faced them. They're a unique team to defend, but I can see the Cowboys exposing them and giving teams the blue print to slow down their offense.

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If we are going to give up chunks of yardage; I'd much prefer that we are being aggressive while doing so, instead of the passive posture our defense plays with

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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If we are going to give up chunks of yardage; I'd much prefer that we are being aggressive while doing so, instead of the passive posture our defense plays with

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