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ORIGINAL: Todd M

That fake punt tho, right?!!!



I swear I'd had no problem taking a bet that we'd have see one early but that it would be successful too.

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ORIGINAL: marty

The Vikings and Pukers will both win at least 11 games, one will win 12 to win the division.

Brad, I shouldn't say mask Kirk's flaws, but I think KOC can put in enough nicely designed plays to have the offense scoring a lot of points.

The Vikings should be very good all season at home, they might win ALL of their home games, that would get 9 wins, and then they would only need to win ONE of the road games to get to 11 wins.

I think it's more likely the Vikings lose one of their home games, so they will need to win 2 games on the road to get to 11 wins, which will be a challenge, unless Donatell can get more aggressive with the defense.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: marty

The Vikings and Pukers will both win at least 11 games, one will win 12 to win the division.

Brad, I shouldn't say mask Kirk's flaws, but I think KOC can put in enough nicely designed plays to have the offense scoring a lot of points.

The Vikings should be very good all season at home, they might win ALL of their home games, that would get 9 wins, and then they would only need to win ONE of the road games to get to 11 wins.

I think it's more likely the Vikings lose one of their home games, so they will need to win 2 games on the road to get to 11 wins, which will be a challenge, unless Donatell can get more aggressive with the defense.

I see at least 3-4 potential losses at home. The Cardinals will have Deandre Hopkins back. The Cowboys will have Dak Prescott back. The Patriots will have Mac Jones back. Jonathan Taylor could have 300 yards rushing against our soft run defense. The Jets and Giants are better teams than they were 12 months ago.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: marty

The Vikings and Pukers will both win at least 11 games, one will win 12 to win the division.

Brad, I shouldn't say mask Kirk's flaws, but I think KOC can put in enough nicely designed plays to have the offense scoring a lot of points.

The Vikings should be very good all season at home, they might win ALL of their home games, that would get 9 wins, and then they would only need to win ONE of the road games to get to 11 wins.

I think it's more likely the Vikings lose one of their home games, so they will need to win 2 games on the road to get to 11 wins, which will be a challenge, unless Donatell can get more aggressive with the defense.

I see at least 3-4 potential losses at home. The Cardinals will have Deandre Hopkins back. The Cowboys will have Dak Prescott back. The Patriots will have Mac Jones back. Jonathan Taylor could have 300 yards rushing against our soft run defense. The Jets and Giants are better teams than they were 12 months ago.

If we don't shore up some things I agree.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: marty

The Vikings and Pukers will both win at least 11 games, one will win 12 to win the division.

Brad, I shouldn't say mask Kirk's flaws, but I think KOC can put in enough nicely designed plays to have the offense scoring a lot of points.

The Vikings should be very good all season at home, they might win ALL of their home games, that would get 9 wins, and then they would only need to win ONE of the road games to get to 11 wins.

I think it's more likely the Vikings lose one of their home games, so they will need to win 2 games on the road to get to 11 wins, which will be a challenge, unless Donatell can get more aggressive with the defense.

I see at least 3-4 potential losses at home. The Cardinals will have Deandre Hopkins back. The Cowboys will have Dak Prescott back. The Patriots will have Mac Jones back. Jonathan Taylor could have 300 yards rushing against our soft run defense. The Jets and Giants are better teams than they were 12 months ago.

If we don't shore up some things I agree.

From what I saw yesterday, I'd say we have a better chance at going winless than undefeated at home the rest of the season.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: marty

The Vikings and Pukers will both win at least 11 games, one will win 12 to win the division.

Brad, I shouldn't say mask Kirk's flaws, but I think KOC can put in enough nicely designed plays to have the offense scoring a lot of points.

The Vikings should be very good all season at home, they might win ALL of their home games, that would get 9 wins, and then they would only need to win ONE of the road games to get to 11 wins.

I think it's more likely the Vikings lose one of their home games, so they will need to win 2 games on the road to get to 11 wins, which will be a challenge, unless Donatell can get more aggressive with the defense.

I see at least 3-4 potential losses at home. The Cardinals will have Deandre Hopkins back. The Cowboys will have Dak Prescott back. The Patriots will have Mac Jones back. Jonathan Taylor could have 300 yards rushing against our soft run defense. The Jets and Giants are better teams than they were 12 months ago. If they play like they did yesterday, they could go winless.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: marty

The Vikings and Pukers will both win at least 11 games, one will win 12 to win the division.

Brad, I shouldn't say mask Kirk's flaws, but I think KOC can put in enough nicely designed plays to have the offense scoring a lot of points.

The Vikings should be very good all season at home, they might win ALL of their home games, that would get 9 wins, and then they would only need to win ONE of the road games to get to 11 wins.

I think it's more likely the Vikings lose one of their home games, so they will need to win 2 games on the road to get to 11 wins, which will be a challenge, unless Donatell can get more aggressive with the defense.

I see at least 3-4 potential losses at home. The Cardinals will have Deandre Hopkins back. The Cowboys will have Dak Prescott back. The Patriots will have Mac Jones back. Jonathan Taylor could have 300 yards rushing against our soft run defense. The Jets and Giants are better teams than they were 12 months ago. If they play like they did yesterday, they could go winless.

You mean score 28 points with a dropped TD pass when in your words our qb played horrible? I like our chances against anyone....

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: marty

The Vikings and Pukers will both win at least 11 games, one will win 12 to win the division.

Brad, I shouldn't say mask Kirk's flaws, but I think KOC can put in enough nicely designed plays to have the offense scoring a lot of points.

The Vikings should be very good all season at home, they might win ALL of their home games, that would get 9 wins, and then they would only need to win ONE of the road games to get to 11 wins.

I think it's more likely the Vikings lose one of their home games, so they will need to win 2 games on the road to get to 11 wins, which will be a challenge, unless Donatell can get more aggressive with the defense.

I see at least 3-4 potential losses at home. The Cardinals will have Deandre Hopkins back. The Cowboys will have Dak Prescott back. The Patriots will have Mac Jones back. Jonathan Taylor could have 300 yards rushing against our soft run defense. The Jets and Giants are better teams than they were 12 months ago. If they play like they did yesterday, they could go winless.

You mean score 28 points with a dropped TD pass when in your words our qb played horrible? I like our chances against anyone....

We got a lot of fortunate turnovers and calls. Not complaining by any means it was just weird. Let's clean up the stalled drives.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: marty

The Vikings and Pukers will both win at least 11 games, one will win 12 to win the division.

Brad, I shouldn't say mask Kirk's flaws, but I think KOC can put in enough nicely designed plays to have the offense scoring a lot of points.

The Vikings should be very good all season at home, they might win ALL of their home games, that would get 9 wins, and then they would only need to win ONE of the road games to get to 11 wins.

I think it's more likely the Vikings lose one of their home games, so they will need to win 2 games on the road to get to 11 wins, which will be a challenge, unless Donatell can get more aggressive with the defense.

I see at least 3-4 potential losses at home. The Cardinals will have Deandre Hopkins back. The Cowboys will have Dak Prescott back. The Patriots will have Mac Jones back. Jonathan Taylor could have 300 yards rushing against our soft run defense. The Jets and Giants are better teams than they were 12 months ago. If they play like they did yesterday, they could go winless.

You mean score 28 points with a dropped TD pass when in your words our qb played horrible? I like our chances against anyone....

We got a lot of fortunate turnovers and calls. Not complaining by any means it was just weird. Let's clean up the stalled drives.

Through four games, I still have yet to see one where we have consistent running lanes.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen
3-1 is misleading as we squeaked out wins against a couple of crap teams and GB with Rodgers thinking he was still on the Joe Rogan set bitching about COVID rules.
As posted here, we are getting abused on both sides of the LOS. I think that is the primary issue. Having a relatively immobile QB (who BTW is no spring chicken) exasperates part of that. Actually, the pass D is a big issue too. And...

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: marty

The Vikings and Pukers will both win at least 11 games, one will win 12 to win the division.

Brad, I shouldn't say mask Kirk's flaws, but I think KOC can put in enough nicely designed plays to have the offense scoring a lot of points.

The Vikings should be very good all season at home, they might win ALL of their home games, that would get 9 wins, and then they would only need to win ONE of the road games to get to 11 wins.

I think it's more likely the Vikings lose one of their home games, so they will need to win 2 games on the road to get to 11 wins, which will be a challenge, unless Donatell can get more aggressive with the defense.

I see at least 3-4 potential losses at home. The Cardinals will have Deandre Hopkins back. The Cowboys will have Dak Prescott back. The Patriots will have Mac Jones back. Jonathan Taylor could have 300 yards rushing against our soft run defense. The Jets and Giants are better teams than they were 12 months ago. If they play like they did yesterday, they could go winless.

You mean score 28 points with a dropped TD pass when in your words our qb played horrible? I like our chances against anyone....

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen
3-1 is misleading as we squeaked out wins against a couple of crap teams and GB with Rodgers thinking he was still on the Joe Rogan set bitching about COVID rules.
As posted here, we are getting abused on both sides of the LOS. I think that is the primary issue. Having a relatively immobile QB (who BTW is no spring chicken) exasperates part of that. Actually, the pass D is a big issue too. And...

I saw how mobile he looked in the pocket against GB. He hasn't done as well the last 3 games. Problem isn't Kirk being athletic; he has to play more athletic.

I have seen videos of him playing golf (he is a scratch golfer) and playing basketball.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Wait, you edited your post to highlight his golf game to bolster your case that he is mobile? Golf?

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: marty

The Vikings and Pukers will both win at least 11 games, one will win 12 to win the division.

Brad, I shouldn't say mask Kirk's flaws, but I think KOC can put in enough nicely designed plays to have the offense scoring a lot of points.

The Vikings should be very good all season at home, they might win ALL of their home games, that would get 9 wins, and then they would only need to win ONE of the road games to get to 11 wins.

I think it's more likely the Vikings lose one of their home games, so they will need to win 2 games on the road to get to 11 wins, which will be a challenge, unless Donatell can get more aggressive with the defense.

I see at least 3-4 potential losses at home. The Cardinals will have Deandre Hopkins back. The Cowboys will have Dak Prescott back. The Patriots will have Mac Jones back. Jonathan Taylor could have 300 yards rushing against our soft run defense. The Jets and Giants are better teams than they were 12 months ago. If they play like they did yesterday, they could go winless.

You mean score 28 points with a dropped TD pass when in your words our qb played horrible? I like our chances against anyone....

If you are using the doormat Saints - without Thomas and Kamara at that - as a barometer for liking our "chances against anyone", well... it'just bolsters my M.O. to think the opposite of you.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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Wait, you edited your post to highlight his golf game to bolster your case that he is mobile? Golf?

Don't you remember John Daly killing it in the 3 cone drill?

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

He obviously has enough athleticism to move more than Brady. But he's too robotic and always will be.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Wait, you edited your post to highlight his golf game to bolster your case that he is mobile? Golf?

Don't you remember John Daly killing it in the 3 cone drill?

I have seen video of Kirk playing bball.....he is more athletic than he shows. He isn't Mahomes.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Wait, you edited your post to highlight his golf game to bolster your case that he is mobile? Golf?

Don't you remember John Daly killing it in the 3 cone drill?

I have seen video of Kirk playing bball.....he is more athletic than he shows. He isn't Mahomes.

Post the links.

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Gezuz Tom,

For once can we win the division outright by sweeping the division opposition?

The Puke have won 10 or more games in 9 of the last 12 seasons.

So yea, by gift, sway, or luck and talent, there needs to be at least 10 wins, to win this division, and I want it to be The Vikings.

It going to be difficult to get the #2 seed in our conference.

We practically Have to beat the Cardinals and Cowboys to have a shot at the #2 seed, because the Eagles are looking pretty damn good as the #1 seed in the NFC.

The only thing helping us is the east has to play out their round robin amongst themselves, but If Philadelphia sweeps the East, they are a lock for Seeding in the top 2 at least.

We have yet to play an AFC team, and we have Five teams in the AFC on our Schedule, Bills, Dolphins, Jets, Patriots, and Colts.

We are “lucky” that we have Detroit and Chicago in our division, but needing to come from behind against the lions, at home, was not a good look.

Backing into the playoffs with a near .500 record is how you see this season going?

This team is a hot mess on defense, and the Aints, beat up as they were, exposed our offensive line, yet again, as the forever and always, weakness that can shut us down.

If KC keeps getting hit, his current happy feet throws, duck and chuck, will get worse.

I don’t know what football by the Vikings you are watching, but what I’m seeing is a team, not ready for prime time, or playoffs.

It’s year one in the new regime, and I am happy to be at 3-1, but TBH, settling for Field Goals, in the redZone, will not win a wild Card game with this defense.

I'm not sure if you are misreading my post or I am misreading yours ... by 'gzuz Tom' you seem to be disputing my position but I'm not sure how far apart they are.

We are playing like a .500 8-9 win team. Beating a half-ass GB, beating the Saints and Lions by one good play each ... sorry ... the 3-1 just feels dirty to me.

But its 3-1. AND, its possible to improve in a long season.

I concede that I'm not impressed with the NFC overall and that I'm especially down on our division. Right now, four games in.