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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/3/2022 12:00:21 PM   
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My $0.02:

It was a win! The goofy travel to UK makes me nervous, but they seemed to respond OK.

Cousins was average.

PassPro was average at best. Heck, OL play was average overall.

Couple of drops and bad routes, too.

Defense played decent. Loved that we brought pressure a few times. We need more of that. I thought the CB played quite well.

Loved the fake punt. I have said our ST have been good this year.

Keep improving. Want to be playing best football late in the season....

Sidebar: agree with JC. GB is not a good team. NE should have beat them. At GB. Yikes.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/3/2022 12:02:47 PM   
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He obviously has enough athleticism to move more than Brady. But he's too robotic and always will be.


Brady has FAR more pocket presence. He keeps things alive doing a dance in a 4 x 4 box then throws decisive strikes.

Cousins either goes into turtle mode or stays alive to throw it out of bounds. Granted, he hangs in there during an unencumbered drop and makes great throws before getting hit, but that's a different thing.

Plus Brady is around 55 years old.

Agree. Point is he can move as well as Brady. Definitely lacks the pocket awareness and won't master the climbing/sliding that Brady and the good ones do.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/3/2022 12:03:56 PM   
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I am firmly in the wait and see group.

I like some things, I dislike some things.

I am encouraged by some things, I am discouraged with some things.


I definitely like not knowing, with Zim and Co, I knew it was bad


This group could be bad, but I don't know yet

Very fair point!
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/3/2022 12:05:31 PM   
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It is really wierd with the 3-4.
We have OLB of Wonnum, Hunter, and ZED. It sure seems more like a 5-2 defense than a 3-4.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/3/2022 12:06:27 PM   
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It is really wierd with the 3-4.
We have OLB of Wonnum, Hunter, and ZED. It sure seems more like a 5-2 defense than a 3-4.

I think that's the problem Phil. Definitely a personnel mismatch.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/3/2022 12:13:33 PM   
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I am firmly in the wait and see group.

I like some things, I dislike some things.

I am encouraged by some things, I am discouraged with some things.




And we are 3-1 with that. I'll take it.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/3/2022 12:22:19 PM   
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Talking about RB Depth:

Adam Schefter
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Falcons’ running back Cordarrelle Patterson has been placed on injured reserve due to his knee injury, meaning he’s out at least the next four games.

Adam Schefter
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24m
Broncos’ RB Javonte Williams tore his ACL, per source.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/3/2022 12:23:20 PM   
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#Vikings offense Week 4 PFF grades top 5 (min. 15 snaps)
1. Darrisaw 75.3
2. Ingram 70.2
3. Jefferson 69.0
4. Thielen 68.6
5. Cousins 67.5

Bottom 3:
3. Cleveland 49.7
2. Bradbury 45.8
1. Mundt 28.2

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/3/2022 12:23:34 PM   
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#Vikings defense Week 4 PFF grades top 5 (min. 15 snaps)
1. Tomlinson 89.8
2. Dantzler 85.9
3. Lynch 74.1
4. Peterson 72.4
5. Phillips 69.6

Bottom 3
3. Hicks 53.2
2. H. Smith 48.4
1. Bynum 45.6

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/3/2022 12:27:57 PM   
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Overall i thought Dantzler played very well.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/3/2022 12:28:33 PM   
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Gezuz Tom,

For once can we win the division outright by sweeping the division opposition?

The Puke have won 10 or more games in 9 of the last 12 seasons.

So yea, by gift, sway, or luck and talent, there needs to be at least 10 wins, to win this division, and I want it to be The Vikings.

It going to be difficult to get the #2 seed in our conference.

We practically Have to beat the Cardinals and Cowboys to have a shot at the #2 seed, because the Eagles are looking pretty damn good as the #1 seed in the NFC.

The only thing helping us is the east has to play out their round robin amongst themselves, but If Philadelphia sweeps the East, they are a lock for Seeding in the top 2 at least.

We have yet to play an AFC team, and we have Five teams in the AFC on our Schedule, Bills, Dolphins, Jets, Patriots, and Colts.

We are “lucky” that we have Detroit and Chicago in our division, but needing to come from behind against the lions, at home, was not a good look.

Backing into the playoffs with a near .500 record is how you see this season going?

This team is a hot mess on defense, and the Aints, beat up as they were, exposed our offensive line, yet again, as the forever and always, weakness that can shut us down.

If KC keeps getting hit, his current happy feet throws, duck and chuck, will get worse.

I don’t know what football by the Vikings you are watching, but what I’m seeing is a team, not ready for prime time, or playoffs.

It’s year one in the new regime, and I am happy to be at 3-1, but TBH, settling for Field Goals, in the redZone, will not win a wild Card game with this defense.

I'm not sure if you are misreading my post or I am misreading yours ... by 'gzuz Tom' you seem to be disputing my position but I'm not sure how far apart they are.

We are playing like a .500 8-9 win team. Beating a half-ass GB, beating the Saints and Lions by one good play each ... sorry ... the 3-1 just feels dirty to me.

But its 3-1. AND, its possible to improve in a long season.

I concede that I'm not impressed with the NFC overall and that I'm especially down on our division. Right now, four games in.


The Eagles beat the Lions by only three points… all of the lions losses this year have been by Three or four points.

The Lions are a legitimate 1-3. More legitimate than us at 3-1 IMO but I'm looking at our team through a disappointed filter.

Yes, its easy to debate that. But who knows until further on in the season when there is more of a sample size to compare ...

I have watched a little bit of the eagles, giants, lions, packers, cowboys, cardinals rams, 49ers, bucs, saints and panthers this season ... not a lot to go on. (I have no idea what the bears, shawks, commanders, falcons look like this year)

To my untrained eye ... I would put the saints with a few more starters back in with us, lions, panthers, 49ers, giants, packers ... maybe the cards, cowboys in the next tier ... with the rams barely making it into the bucs, eagles bracket. Which is below a group of afc teams.

This is all rigorous scientifically proven stuff of course. And very premature to what everything will look like in 4-6 weeks.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/3/2022 12:33:37 PM   
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Overall i thought Dantzler played very well.

Dantzler didn't get torched by a hamstrung offense.

IMO he is very avg ... which is an improvement from what I thought last year.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/3/2022 12:34:23 PM   
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Overall i thought Dantzler played very well.


That pass breakup down the left sideline was exquisite!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/3/2022 12:35:08 PM   
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#Vikings defense Week 4 PFF grades top 5 (min. 15 snaps)
1. Tomlinson 89.8
2. Dantzler 85.9
3. Lynch 74.1
4. Peterson 72.4
5. Phillips 69.6

Bottom 3
3. Hicks 53.2
2. H. Smith 48.4
1. Bynum 45.6

I thought Tomlinson made a couple of plays ... I thought Peterson and Wonnum had their best games yet.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/3/2022 12:35:21 PM   
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Overall i thought Dantzler played very well.


He really did. The coverage declined significantly when he went out for a little bit.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/3/2022 12:39:14 PM   
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Eric Thompson
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#Vikings defense Week 4 PFF grades top 5 (min. 15 snaps)
1. Tomlinson 89.8
2. Dantzler 85.9
3. Lynch 74.1
4. Peterson 72.4
5. Phillips 69.6

Bottom 3
3. Hicks 53.2
2. H. Smith 48.4
1. Bynum 45.6

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So much for safety being our strongest position group on defense… I hope that cine is ready for training camp next year, But it could be very doubtful.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/3/2022 12:41:15 PM   
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Overall i thought Dantzler played very well.


That pass breakup down the left sideline was exquisite!

He was pulling Olave's right arm down and was lucky not to get called.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/3/2022 12:41:42 PM   
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Overall i thought Dantzler played very well.


He really did. The coverage declined significantly when he went out for a little bit.

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Dance that was our best cornerback last year, and he’s our best Cornerback this year… i’m bypassing booth, and giving Evans starter consideration for next year.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/3/2022 12:43:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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Overall i thought Dantzler played very well.


That pass breakup down the left sideline was exquisite!

He was pulling Olave's right arm down and was lucky not to get called.


Disagree

https://twitter.com/WillRagatz/status/1576628939749228545

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/3/2022 12:48:01 PM   
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Worries about the OL creeping in but they've given up the 4th least amount of sacks.


Then we're wondering about Cook/OL/running game but Cook's popping of a number of solid rips along with what feels like too many 1/2 yd ones.


I don't know what to make of it.



i don't know the number, but it seemed like the saints had a hell of a lot of pressures yesterday...cousins took a lot of hits....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/3/2022 12:50:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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Overall i thought Dantzler played very well.


That pass breakup down the left sideline was exquisite!

He was pulling Olave's right arm down and was lucky not to get called.


Disagree

https://twitter.com/WillRagatz/status/1576628939749228545



dantzler definitely had a hold of olave's right forearm with his left hand....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/3/2022 12:52:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

Overall i thought Dantzler played very well.


That pass breakup down the left sideline was exquisite!

He was pulling Olave's right arm down and was lucky not to get called.


Disagree

https://twitter.com/WillRagatz/status/1576628939749228545



dantzler definitely had a hold of olave's right forearm with his left hand....


Yes in the 0.0001 second before the ball arrived.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/3/2022 1:17:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

Overall i thought Dantzler played very well.


That pass breakup down the left sideline was exquisite!

He was pulling Olave's right arm down and was lucky not to get called.


Disagree

https://twitter.com/WillRagatz/status/1576628939749228545



dantzler definitely had a hold of olave's right forearm with his left hand....


Yes in the 0.0001 second before the ball arrived.

There was a better angle in the game.

I dont have a problem with calling it savy play … IMO he pinned his right arm from extending before ripping it down when the ball go there.

I just would have not been surprised by a pi call.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/3/2022 1:33:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

Overall i thought Dantzler played very well.


That pass breakup down the left sideline was exquisite!

He was pulling Olave's right arm down and was lucky not to get called.


Disagree

https://twitter.com/WillRagatz/status/1576628939749228545



dantzler definitely had a hold of olave's right forearm with his left hand....


Yes in the 0.0001 second before the ball arrived.

There was a better angle in the game.

I dont have a problem with calling it savy play … IMO he pinned his right arm from extending before ripping it down when the ball go there.

I just would have not been surprised by a pi call.


You can't see from that angle that was good coverage?

He got his head around and the hand on the ball... textbook coverage.
Doing both those immediately reduces your PI chances.
Unless you are arm locked or are using both arms that isn't going to get called...

It's been so long since we've seen good coverage we can't even give Dantzler credit.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/3/2022 1:48:50 PM   
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Overall i thought Dantzler played very well.


That pass breakup down the left sideline was exquisite!

He was pulling Olave's right arm down and was lucky not to get called.


Disagree

https://twitter.com/WillRagatz/status/1576628939749228545


He didn't directly break up the pass, as in swatting the ball away. The ball clearly continued into Olave's body.

Fine coverage though, and he likely caused the incompletion from everything he did.

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