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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/12/2022 11:18:38 AM   
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Based on national coverage, you'd think the Steelers and Giants both won the SB.

Oh wait, big markets...


Pittsburgh is one of the smaller markets with professional teams.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/12/2022 11:23:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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Based on national coverage, you'd think the Steelers and Giants both won the SB.

Oh wait, big markets...


Pittsburgh is one of the smaller markets with professional teams.


But they have a HUGE fanbase all around the country and one that travels well.

When it comes to the Steelers they are a big market.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/12/2022 11:25:52 AM   
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Both Hunter and Z got at least one sack today. I expect that to continue all year long. Go Vikes.


It's nice to have TWO guys that can quickly run down most QBs in the league, including an aging Rogers.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/12/2022 11:29:53 AM   
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Ingram got trucked repeatedly…

An inside swim move baffled him completely, and he stood there, blocking air, while his guy went after cousins like sour on lemon..

In a 3-4, the “3” are supposed to occupy blockers while the 4 LBs fill gaps and tackle runners..

Kendrick’s went from being a ball seeking tackle machine making plays all over the field, to a below average tackler and coverage linebacker.

Middle crossing and flat flare and curl routes were open for 6-7 yards all day..

GB averaged 6 yPc in rushing with backup offensive line men in the game.

When a fully competent offensive line can give a pocket protection, we are going to see more than 7 points scored..

We dodged two bullets.. the wide open long pass dropped, by the rookie, and the failed 4/ goal, which was a bad overall playcall.

I’ll give it time, but if the 4 part of the 3-4 doesn’t improve a lot.. the back 4 DB/safety group is going to get called on to make a lot of situational saves.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/12/2022 11:32:51 AM   
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GB ain't doing shit this year.

Rodgers doesn't have a guy. What guys he has know what he thinks of them...which isn't much.

Won't be a team won't win much.


Did you see Doubbs and Watson today? Did you watch Lazard last year? 600 yards and 8 tds but out 6 games. Watson missed the last two weeks of training camp. Let’s not kid ourselves. Adams was as much MVP as Rodgers but those three will get rolling.

Their defense is very good.

Great coach.

All I know is I heard the same crap last year. Then they went 13-3.

A covey of Martys.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/12/2022 11:34:16 AM   
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wow, what a game! From the start it felt like they were focused and determined to win this game. I was nervous that with so little action in pre-season that they'd be rusty and ill-prepared but that was not the case. Minimal penalties, minimal mistakes, very crisp throughout. I had some 2nd half worries that a comeback was starting but they squashed that and won handily. It could've been a different game if they had made some plays, but then again that was our year last year, a play or two away from a much better record. This time we were the team that won by executing and the other team not executing, I'll take it.

The good:

Offense:
- for the most part, they got to the line early in the play clock which allowed shifts, audibles, motion, hard counts, etc. That was pure bliss to watch compared to the last regime philosophy of line it up late in the count and run the play.
- having JJ line up outside, line up inside, line up in the slot, motioning across the formation: all very well crafted. These are things that good coordinators and coaches think of, getting match-ups and making it harder to cover your studs. These guys get it.
- KFC stepped up in the pocket or moved around a little to buy more time and get some big plays. He also pushed it down the field when he could and dumped off when he should. Very efficient play, and very crisp offense considering it's all new to the team.
- the run/pass blocking was pretty decent overall considering GBs stout d-line. Good mix of PA and mis-direction helped the o-line.
- not a lot of 2nd and longs today and no automatic run on 2nd and long, I loved it

Defense:
- pretty good coverage in the secondary for most of the day, we had some coverage sacks because of it
- front 4 got to Rogers without blitzing to much
- good adaption by the DC through the game rather than yesteryear's process of "looking at the tape" after getting smoked in the 2nd half
- no 2nd half and end of game points, holy shnikes!!

STs:
- solid, solid. Good coverage on punts and KOs and Raegor looked the part as a returner
- Joseph was great today and so was the rookie punter

The bad (or needs improvement since we won handily)
Offense:
- Bradbury was still pretty abused at times but did better than I expected
- The rook had a few whiffs as well but help up pretty well in his first start against a hated rival
- I didn't like the 3rd down play that lead to the long FG and our 2nd half O was a little stale, would've like to see Theilen or Irv a little more involved

Defense:
- run D wasn't great, particularly against a depleted GB O-line, the LBs looked slooowww
- while we did get 4 sacks, since they had 3 backups on OL I thought we should've been in Rogers' face much more
- had some busted coverages at times, PP looked sloooow

=====

Overall:
- great game. We were prepared and played well out of the gate. I liked the Offensive game plan and mentality, the fluidity, the communication, this is going to be a good offense folks
- D looks better than last year though I worry about the run D. Suh would be nice... Still, good coverage, nice pressure, no penalties.
- still need a center, KFC had to do some crafty dump offs and had some nice developing plays wiped out due to no time
- run game wasn't fantastic but good enough and was still enough of a threat that the PA had to be respected
- STs could be a strength this year, OMG!
- it's a new year and I love the positivity coming from the coaches down to the players. The test will be when we lose, can we maintain that joy and togetherness. I think we will, KOC and KAM are not downers and I think they keep the team up.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/12/2022 11:46:03 AM   
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I guess I didn't look far enough back on Ed Donatell's history:

Green Bay Packers
Defensive coordinator (2000–2003)

Also this:
On February 4, 2022, it was announced that the Seattle Seahawks had hired Donatell in a senior defensive role.[8] However, on February 10, it was announced that Donatell would not be joining the Seahawks and would instead join the Minnesota Vikings as their defensive coordinator for the 2022 season.[9]

The Athletic was talking about how he was fired from GB almost 20 years ago.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/12/2022 11:46:56 AM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/12/2022 12:13:20 PM   
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My two cents.

If Watson could catch it would have been a very different game. but they never got that guy open again. Our pass rush intensified and our defense did great from there on out.

Holding his holiness, the great an all powerful Rodgers to 7 points...was a coup.

Jefferson backed up the talk with a huge game against a very good defense.

Run game seemed much more effective with Mattison than with Cook...but that's just my eye test.

We actually had smart, very smart clock management late in the game. With the play clock at 44 and the game clock at 2:43, they let the clock run down to the 2:00 warning. In the Zimmer era, a play would have been run. It would be a pass and it would have been incomplete giving Rodgers the ball back with another 40 seconds and the two minute warning. I was very impressed by that. SMART coaching late in games.

The goal line stop was HUGE.

Kendricks pd in the endzone (let's give Bynum some credit here too) was HUGE.

The coverage sacks were HUGE.

The fumble recover was HUGE.

Harrison Smith's INT was HUGE.

We kept the great and all powerful Rodgers discombobulated all day long.

When the Packers started finding success OUR DEFENSE ADAPTED. THAT WAS HUGE>

The Packers have a good defense so keeping us to 6 points in the second half was a concern though. The Offense needs to make adjustments more quickly.

All around a pretty damn good game. They turned the ball over on downs, with a fumble and INT...we didn't turn it over. Win there. We were not very much penalized, Win there. Cousins was efficient and took shots. Jefferson was a beast. I would have liked to have seen more out of the run game. but otherwise I loved this game.


Good Summary. Yes I was alarmed at how easy Green Bay was getting yardage with dumps to the right flat. At one point they gained 55 yards in a three-play-stretch. But then we adjusted and that was that.

I saw on twitter this AM that our win was the biggest point margin over a Favre or Rodgers led Packer team since 2001.

The entire game was surreal to me. It's everything I hoped for and dreamed possible. Quite honestly I didn't even know how to process it all. I was constantly looking for flags on the field after good plays and time and time again there were none.

It was only 16 points. That stat is almost unbelievable. Didn't Rodgers lead them in the first game loss to New Orleans last year. That was like 30 points.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/12/2022 12:17:52 PM   
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Interesting. Run blocking was supposed to be his weakness.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/12/2022 12:24:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

My two cents.

If Watson could catch it would have been a very different game. but they never got that guy open again. Our pass rush intensified and our defense did great from there on out.

Holding his holiness, the great an all powerful Rodgers to 7 points...was a coup.

Jefferson backed up the talk with a huge game against a very good defense.

Run game seemed much more effective with Mattison than with Cook...but that's just my eye test.

We actually had smart, very smart clock management late in the game. With the play clock at 44 and the game clock at 2:43, they let the clock run down to the 2:00 warning. In the Zimmer era, a play would have been run. It would be a pass and it would have been incomplete giving Rodgers the ball back with another 40 seconds and the two minute warning. I was very impressed by that. SMART coaching late in games.

The goal line stop was HUGE.

Kendricks pd in the endzone (let's give Bynum some credit here too) was HUGE.

The coverage sacks were HUGE.

The fumble recover was HUGE.

Harrison Smith's INT was HUGE.

We kept the great and all powerful Rodgers discombobulated all day long.

When the Packers started finding success OUR DEFENSE ADAPTED. THAT WAS HUGE>

The Packers have a good defense so keeping us to 6 points in the second half was a concern though. The Offense needs to make adjustments more quickly.

All around a pretty damn good game. They turned the ball over on downs, with a fumble and INT...we didn't turn it over. Win there. We were not very much penalized, Win there. Cousins was efficient and took shots. Jefferson was a beast. I would have liked to have seen more out of the run game. but otherwise I loved this game.


Good Summary. Yes I was alarmed at how easy Green Bay was getting yardage with dumps to the right flat. At one point they gained 55 yards in a three-play-stretch. But then we adjusted and that was that.

I saw on twitter this AM that our win was the biggest point margin over a Favre or Rodgers led Packer team since 2001.

The entire game was surreal to me. It's everything I hoped for and dreamed possible. Quite honestly I didn't even know how to process it all. I was constantly looking for flags on the field after good plays and time and time again there were none.

It was only 16 points. That stat is almost unbelievable. Didn't Rodgers lead them in the first game loss to New Orleans last year. That was like 30 points.


* by a Vikings team.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/12/2022 12:37:52 PM   
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I could be wrong, but I think Donatell was fired after the Packers allowed McNabb a 4th and 26 completion, in a playoff game the Eagles ended up winning.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/12/2022 12:41:17 PM   
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Darrisaw says that Ingram has that dog in him.

Evans must have played well, some of the sacks were coverage sacks.

Like Dan said, the Vikings dodged some bullets in this one. The 2ndary will get a good test next week, going against 2 great WRs.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/12/2022 12:42:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

My two cents.

If Watson could catch it would have been a very different game. but they never got that guy open again. Our pass rush intensified and our defense did great from there on out.

Holding his holiness, the great an all powerful Rodgers to 7 points...was a coup.

Jefferson backed up the talk with a huge game against a very good defense.

Run game seemed much more effective with Mattison than with Cook...but that's just my eye test.

We actually had smart, very smart clock management late in the game. With the play clock at 44 and the game clock at 2:43, they let the clock run down to the 2:00 warning. In the Zimmer era, a play would have been run. It would be a pass and it would have been incomplete giving Rodgers the ball back with another 40 seconds and the two minute warning. I was very impressed by that. SMART coaching late in games.

The goal line stop was HUGE.

Kendricks pd in the endzone (let's give Bynum some credit here too) was HUGE.

The coverage sacks were HUGE.

The fumble recover was HUGE.

Harrison Smith's INT was HUGE.

We kept the great and all powerful Rodgers discombobulated all day long.

When the Packers started finding success OUR DEFENSE ADAPTED. THAT WAS HUGE>

The Packers have a good defense so keeping us to 6 points in the second half was a concern though. The Offense needs to make adjustments more quickly.

All around a pretty damn good game. They turned the ball over on downs, with a fumble and INT...we didn't turn it over. Win there. We were not very much penalized, Win there. Cousins was efficient and took shots. Jefferson was a beast. I would have liked to have seen more out of the run game. but otherwise I loved this game.


Good Summary. Yes I was alarmed at how easy Green Bay was getting yardage with dumps to the right flat. At one point they gained 55 yards in a three-play-stretch. But then we adjusted and that was that.

I saw on twitter this AM that our win was the biggest point margin over a Favre or Rodgers led Packer team since 2001.

The entire game was surreal to me. It's everything I hoped for and dreamed possible. Quite honestly I didn't even know how to process it all. I was constantly looking for flags on the field after good plays and time and time again there were none.

It was only 16 points. That stat is almost unbelievable. Didn't Rodgers lead them in the first game loss to New Orleans last year. That was like 30 points.


* by a Vikings team.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/12/2022 12:44:19 PM   
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Darrisaw says that Ingram has that dog in him.

Evans must have played well, some of the sacks were coverage sacks.

Like Dan said, the Vikings dodged some bullets in this one. The 2ndary will get a good test next week, going against 2 great WRs.

Marty you must be trying to use reverse psychology. That's the only answer to your adoration of our opponents.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/12/2022 12:47:30 PM   
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STs:
- solid, solid. Good coverage on punts and KOs and Raegor looked the part as a returner
- Joseph was great today and so was the rookie punter



One thing that jumped out to me was that we damn near blocked every punt they tried. When have even tried that in the past 10 years?
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/12/2022 12:54:18 PM   
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Donatell was fired after the Packers allowed Russell Wilson a huge playoff comeback.


In 2003?
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/12/2022 12:56:47 PM   
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KG, the Eagles drafted the WR I wanted for the Vikings last year DeVonta Smith (he was long gone by the time the Vikings picked, and then the Vikings traded back and fortunately got Darrisaw), and this year the Eagles added AJ Brown.

That's 2 great WRs, and you're on the road. Add to that a mobile QB, who I am assuming doesn't throw as accurately as Rodgers. The Vikings have a chance, but I am still picking the Eagles.

IF the Vikings beat the Eagles on the road, I think we're looking at a 13 win season for Minnesota.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/12/2022 1:02:19 PM   
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Justin Jefferson is over .500 for the first time as a Viking. #Vikings win by 16, biggest win of last year was 14, fewest points allowed last year was 9 (Fields and Bears), allow just 7 today. Also: A Rodgers-led GB offense vs. MN has never been held to this few of points.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/12/2022 1:03:38 PM   
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I was wrong Bigo, I believe it was the 4th and 26 that McNabb completed against the Pack in the playoffs, that led to Donatell getting fired.

Capers was DC for the amazing comeback by Seattle in the playoffs, but they still kept Capers after that.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/12/2022 1:11:12 PM   
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Not bad for getting "trucked" all game long.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/12/2022 1:13:54 PM   
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In defense of Ingram. The plays I saw him get beat on I believe had to be OLine miscues. At least if I were game planning, I would never try to defend Kenny Clark without a double team. He's the best Dlineman they have and I saw him beat Bradbury once and Ingram at least once and in both cases he was single blocked. If that's our OLine design, I think that's crazy, not to double team their best DLineman. Perhaps it was a bad OLine slant call by Bradbury or perhaps the Pack schemed to get Clark one on one, or perhaps it was just bad execution by our players. But if I were going to run any kind of pass play with a pocket expectation of more than 2 seconds, I'd double their best DLineman.

Bottom line though was that in plenty of instances Kirk had plenty of time and most often made them pay and it was a joy to see.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/12/2022 1:18:59 PM   
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I'll have to look at the tape again, but I thought on the Clark Swim move that Bradbury hiked the ball and slanted left ostensibly to double the other DT but ended up blocking no one. O'neill seemed to slant right to take the Edge rusher and Ingram was alone on Clark. I would not bet on even the best guards in the league over Clark in that situation.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/12/2022 1:28:01 PM   
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Weird seeing Cousins audible. Nice.
- hopefully we found a coach that enjoys working with him and can get success out of all his talents
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/12/2022 1:32:59 PM   
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I'll have to look at the tape again ...


Still taping or did you switch to dvr?

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