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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/8/2023 2:27:49 PM  3 votes
David Levine


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Small sampling so far, but home runs are up from last season (1.19-to-1.07 per-game). Strikeouts are at a crazy high level (8.53). Previous to 2016, there had never been a season with more than eight strikeouts-per-game. Previous to 2010, there had never been a season more than 7.0.

Stolen bases are at 0.68 per-game. Last season it was 0.51. So, if you consider 0.17 stolen bases-per-game a big deal, than well, whatever. I see it as a very minimal change in the brand of the game.

Historically speaking, strikeouts started to soar in 2012 and have been rising consistently ever since. In 2011 they were at 7.10 per-game and rose to 7.50 in 2012. Now we are over 8.5 and still rising. When did the movie Money Ball come out? In 2011. Is there a correlation? I think there is.

I think the bigger issue is how the obsession with analytics is killing the game.

Analytics has fueled the transformation from the era when starting pitchers were men to the era where pitchers are developed from an early age to exert maximum effort on each pitch to add velocity. As a result, pitchers can't go as far as they used to, bullpens are overworked and Tommy John surgery has become an almost inevitable part of many pitchers' career paths.

Analytics has driven the change from hitters gearing mechanics that enabled them to adjust to what pitchers are doing to hitters developing mechanics to maximize launch angle and exit velocity. They sell out for power. They have become guess hitters who swing from their heels any time they expect a fastball. They will live with the K's. The result is lower batting averages, way more strikeouts. I apologize for channeling Dick Bremer, but the concept of a "productive out" is ancient history.


I blame Dustin.
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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/8/2023 3:22:19 PM   
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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/8/2023 7:26:08 PM  1 votes
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Glad I didn't miss that Buxton at bat!

I believe the kids call that one a "barrel"

Vasquez and Farmer have been pleasant surprises early.

Correa could start pulling his weight at any time.

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/10/2023 8:02:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Twins got two hit in a 5-1 loss. No shame in it really. Hunter Brown is going to do that to a lot of teams. The kid is the real deal. It's like the Astros replaced Justin Verlander with Justin Verlander.

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/10/2023 8:13:47 AM   
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Twins got two hit in a 5-1 loss. No shame in it really. Hunter Brown is going to do that to a lot of teams. The kid is the real deal. It's like the Astros replaced Justin Verlander with Justin Verlander.

Luis Arraez (.471) has 16 hits for the season. The Twins' starting infield yesterday has 22 (.222).

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/10/2023 9:59:53 AM   
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Twins got two hit in a 5-1 loss. No shame in it really. Hunter Brown is going to do that to a lot of teams. The kid is the real deal. It's like the Astros replaced Justin Verlander with Justin Verlander.

Luis Arraez (.471) has 16 hits for the season. The Twins' starting infield yesterday has 22 (.222).

He wouldn't have made any difference yesterday

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/10/2023 8:01:32 PM   
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Twins got two hit in a 5-1 loss. No shame in it really. Hunter Brown is going to do that to a lot of teams. The kid is the real deal. It's like the Astros replaced Justin Verlander with Justin Verlander.

Luis Arraez (.471) has 16 hits for the season. The Twins' starting infield yesterday has 22 (.222).

He wouldn't have made any difference yesterday

Never know. A couple more (or a few) more baserunners could make a big difference in how the 5-1 game was played - but I'm biased for sure.
Hst, i like seeing how many strikeouts we have this year so far
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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/10/2023 8:28:01 PM   
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Twins got two hit in a 5-1 loss. No shame in it really. Hunter Brown is going to do that to a lot of teams. The kid is the real deal. It's like the Astros replaced Justin Verlander with Justin Verlander.

Luis Arraez (.471) has 16 hits for the season. The Twins' starting infield yesterday has 22 (.222).

He wouldn't have made any difference yesterday

Never know. A couple more (or a few) more baserunners could make a big difference in how the 5-1 game was played - but I'm biased for sure.
Hst, i like seeing how many strikeouts we have this year so far

Let's put it another way; Pablo Lopez is 2-0 with a 0.73 era and almost 12K per 9IP. The guy who is getting Arraez's AB, Trevor Larnach is hitting .324 with a .910 OPS.

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/10/2023 8:43:46 PM   
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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/10/2023 9:28:18 PM   
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Twins got two hit in a 5-1 loss. No shame in it really. Hunter Brown is going to do that to a lot of teams. The kid is the real deal. It's like the Astros replaced Justin Verlander with Justin Verlander.

Luis Arraez (.471) has 16 hits for the season. The Twins' starting infield yesterday has 22 (.222).

He wouldn't have made any difference yesterday

Never know. A couple more (or a few) more baserunners could make a big difference in how the 5-1 game was played - but I'm biased for sure.
Hst, i like seeing how many strikeouts we have this year so far

Let's put it another way; Pablo Lopez is 2-0 with a 0.73 era and almost 12K per 9IP. The guy who is getting Arraez's AB, Trevor Larnach is hitting .324 with a .910 OPS.

Hard being too indignant looking at those numbers for sure.
But im gonna miss Arraez any way - glad to see him doing well
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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/10/2023 10:01:44 PM   
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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/11/2023 7:35:11 AM  1 votes
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Twins got two hit in a 5-1 loss. No shame in it really. Hunter Brown is going to do that to a lot of teams. The kid is the real deal. It's like the Astros replaced Justin Verlander with Justin Verlander.

Luis Arraez (.471) has 16 hits for the season. The Twins' starting infield yesterday has 22 (.222).

He wouldn't have made any difference yesterday

Never know. A couple more (or a few) more baserunners could make a big difference in how the 5-1 game was played - but I'm biased for sure.
Hst, i like seeing how many strikeouts we have this year so far

Let's put it another way; Pablo Lopez is 2-0 with a 0.73 era and almost 12K per 9IP. The guy who is getting Arraez's AB, Trevor Larnach is hitting .324 with a .910 OPS.

You have no idea who is batting for Arraez. That's a guess on your part.

I'll wait on my critique of Lopez. One of his starts was against arguably the worst hitting team of all time in major league baseball, the Royals. Kansas City is batting .179 as a team. And by the way, he's 1-0, not 2-0. His other start was against Miami, batting .233 as a team.

< Message edited by Brad H -- 4/11/2023 7:46:15 AM >

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/11/2023 7:35:55 AM   
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Twins got two hit in a 5-1 loss. No shame in it really. Hunter Brown is going to do that to a lot of teams. The kid is the real deal. It's like the Astros replaced Justin Verlander with Justin Verlander.

Luis Arraez (.471) has 16 hits for the season. The Twins' starting infield yesterday has 22 (.222).

He wouldn't have made any difference yesterday

Never know. A couple more (or a few) more baserunners could make a big difference in how the 5-1 game was played - but I'm biased for sure.
Hst, i like seeing how many strikeouts we have this year so far

87 k's in 10 games. A .228 batting average, which ranks 26th. If those numbers keep up, they won't win 70 games.

< Message edited by Brad H -- 4/11/2023 7:51:38 AM >

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/11/2023 7:59:05 AM   
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2nd in ERA
4th in SO
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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/11/2023 6:37:28 PM   
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#MNTwins haven't announced a corresponding roster move for Joey Gallo going on the injured list yet, but Edouard Julien was just pulled from the Triple-A game.
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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/11/2023 6:42:19 PM   
David Levine


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Twins starters have thrown 5+ innings in each of the season's first ten games for the first time since 2005.
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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/11/2023 6:49:07 PM   
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MLB:
2nd in ERA
4th in SO

If those numbers keep up they'll win well over 70 games.

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/11/2023 7:55:53 PM   
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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/11/2023 8:23:37 PM   
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Sure hope Steve didn’t miss that Buxton at bat!


I didn't!

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/11/2023 8:24:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Lopez threw a brilliant game. Hope we can finish this.

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/11/2023 8:38:19 PM   
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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/11/2023 8:44:15 PM   
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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/11/2023 8:48:02 PM   
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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/11/2023 8:49:12 PM   
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Arraez just hit for the cycle.

Give me Lopez all day every day.

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/11/2023 8:55:53 PM   
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Wow.

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