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Cousins definitely went out on a high after his last game and a half. He's done here. But it won't be that simple for some.

There will be hope and speculation we will sign him this offseason.
After he signs elsewhere, there will be calls to trade for him.
After he retires there will be hope and 'rumors' he's coming back for a curtain call.

He left as one of the better QBs in franchise history, alas that isn't saying much for the franchise.

How do you know he won't be back? The odds probably increased instead of decreased because he won't cost as much. It all depends on how Hall/Dobbs perform and what is available in the offseason.

A want doesn't make a high % guess.

Your honor, I rest my case.

Edit - OK Phil. To prevent you from yapping on and on that I can't possibly know that, it is pure, unadulterated speculation on an armchair GM opinion board. An opinion I chose to present as a fact even though everyone (except you I presume) knows one cannot factually predict such future possibilities. Happy? Ever read The Onion? You know, there are some people who read articles it publishes, actually take issue with the accuracy of the content, and, yes, even fire back a message to the authors.

Weakest case ever Attorney Tank....again no matter what side you are on; the performance of Hall/Dobbs and what is available in the offseason/draft supersede a sans/stans want or case.

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David F., what do you think of Dobbs ?

He´s going to do just fine. We´ll win more games than we lose with Dobbs and/or Hall. They won't be as polished working the offense (at first) as Saint Kirk was but they'll eventually catch up. Kirk was a master at attaining excellent stats. Stats don't equal wins necessarily. On that note, yards don't equal points which was another thing this team was really good at these first eight games. I expect to see less head-scratching moments like lining up under the right guard, throwing it backwards to running backs, not spiking the ball with the clock running after a first down, etc etc...
In short, we'll see inferior stats but more wins and more points. I'm excited to see how it unfolds. Bear in mind - it will look very unpolished right off the bat.

What's your basis for all of this? Dobb's 1-8 record as a starter? Dobbs never having played with any of his Vikings receivers? Maybe it's his complete lack of knowledge of the Vikings playbook that intrigues you. Hall has a whopping 4 NFL passes.
I'm so tired of the Kirk knows how to pad stats argument. If it's not that simple. You don't put up big numbers without being pretty good in the first place. Last year he put up enough points to overcome the worst defense in football and win 13 games.
Don't get me wrong. I'm completely ready to move on from the guy after that choke down check down with the playoff game on the line. I'm just saying the idea that the Vikings will do better offensively and win more with Dobbs or Hall is based on despising Cousins and not any evidence from Hall or Dobbs.

Oh boy, where to begin... OK let's start with the 1-8 record. I don't give a hoot about his record with the Cardinals. I watched about a combined ten minutes of his footage and saw him navigate the pocket like a pro and step up and launch some damn bombs. That will translate to points for the Vikings. I am concerned about the fact that Dobbs and Hall are new and I addressed that in my post. Knowledge of the playbook doesn't bother me at all. Dobbs is a rocket scientist - like for real - he's done internships at NASA.
The fact that you're tired of the Kirk/stats argument is out of my control. Go ahead and be tired of it. And yes - you have to be pretty darn good to put up good stats. Kirk is a good QB. He's just not a stone cold killer when it comes to being competitive in football. And this is a bit persnickety but the Vikings were not the worst defesnse in football last season. They were bad, but not the worst. Also, I don't really care about the comeback wins - especially when we had no business being behind in the first place. Some of those comeback wins were like me finally crushing a day at work after procrastinating the prevoius two days. Catching up doesn't make me a hero.
Lastly, the beauty of this all is that we get to watch it play out.

We ended up 28th....we may have been the worst defense against the pass....and that doesn't take into effect how poor the defense was by year end and the first playoff game.....we were the only team in the playoffs with a bottom five defense.

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List of teams with QBs who are statistically worst than Saint Kirk yet somehow have managed more, the same, or very close to, the amount of wins this season.

Zach Wilson 4-3
Kenny Pickett 4-3
Whoever-the-hell-is-QB-for-Cleveland 4-3
CJ Stroud 3-4
Tannehill/Levis/Willis 3-4
Richardson/Minshew 3-5
Jimmy G 3-5
Dak 5-2
Sam Howell 3-5
Jared Goff 6-2
Desmond Ridder 4-4
Derek Carr 4-4
Baker Mayfield 3-4
Geno Smith 5-2
Brock Purdy 5-3
Mathew Stafford 3-5

But somehow the wheels will fall off because we lost Cousins? Do I need to remind everyone that we won the same amount of games but actually MORE playoff games with all the garbage that came before him than we did WITH him?

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List of teams with QBs who are statistically worst than Saint Kirk yet somehow have managed more, the same, or very close to, the amount of wins this season.

Zach Wilson 4-3
Kenny Pickett 4-3
Whoever-the-hell-is-QB-for-Cleveland 4-3
CJ Stroud 3-4
Tannehill/Levis/Willis 3-4
Richardson/Minshew 3-5
Jimmy G 3-5
Dak 5-2
Sam Howell 3-5
Jared Goff 6-2
Desmond Ridder 4-4
Derek Carr 4-4
Baker Mayfield 3-4
Geno Smith 5-2
Brock Purdy 5-3
Mathew Stafford 3-5

But somehow the wheels will fall off because we lost Cousins? Do I need to remind everyone that we won the same amount of games but actually MORE playoff games with all the garbage that came before him than we did WITH him?

Weird outside of Cleveland and NYJ those are the #1 qbs for each team. Also all those on the list had high expectations also. You know a respectable defense, oline, and offense....

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List of teams with QBs who are statistically worst than Saint Kirk yet somehow have managed more, the same, or very close to, the amount of wins this season.

Zach Wilson 4-3
Kenny Pickett 4-3
Whoever-the-hell-is-QB-for-Cleveland 4-3
CJ Stroud 3-4
Tannehill/Levis/Willis 3-4
Richardson/Minshew 3-5
Jimmy G 3-5
Dak 5-2
Sam Howell 3-5
Jared Goff 6-2
Desmond Ridder 4-4
Derek Carr 4-4
Baker Mayfield 3-4
Geno Smith 5-2
Brock Purdy 5-3
Mathew Stafford 3-5

But somehow the wheels will fall off because we lost Cousins? Do I need to remind everyone that we won the same amount of games but actually MORE playoff games with all the garbage that came before him than we did WITH him?

Weird outside of Cleveland and NYJ those are the #1 qbs for each team. Also all those on the list had high expectations also. You know a respectable defense, oline, and offense....

Atlanta (4-4), New Orleans (4-4), and Tampa (3-4) most definitley did NOT have high expectations. Neither did Pittsburgh for that matter. Jimmy G (3-5) just got his coach and GM fired this very morning.

Yet 4-4 is considered crushing it over here in Minnesota. Make it make sense to me.

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Congrats Kirk haters. You got your wish

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List of teams with QBs who are statistically worst than Saint Kirk yet somehow have managed more, the same, or very close to, the amount of wins this season.

Zach Wilson 4-3
Kenny Pickett 4-3
Whoever-the-hell-is-QB-for-Cleveland 4-3
CJ Stroud 3-4
Tannehill/Levis/Willis 3-4
Richardson/Minshew 3-5
Jimmy G 3-5
Dak 5-2
Sam Howell 3-5
Jared Goff 6-2
Desmond Ridder 4-4
Derek Carr 4-4
Baker Mayfield 3-4
Geno Smith 5-2
Brock Purdy 5-3
Mathew Stafford 3-5

But somehow the wheels will fall off because we lost Cousins? Do I need to remind everyone that we won the same amount of games but actually MORE playoff games with all the garbage that came before him than we did WITH him?

Weird outside of Cleveland and NYJ those are the #1 qbs for each team. Also all those on the list had high expectations also. You know a respectable defense, oline, and offense....

Atlanta (4-4), New Orleans (4-4), and Tampa (3-4) most definitley did NOT have high expectations. Neither did Pittsburgh for that matter. Jimmy G (3-5) just got his coach and GM fired this very morning.

Yet 4-4 is considered crushing it over here in Minnesota. Make it make sense to me.

Are they on their #3 QB? You don't fire your HC and GM if they are blaming the QB. Aren't Atlanta, TB, and NO tied for first in their division. Pittsburgh always is in it to win it.

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Congrats Kirk haters. You got your wish

This is Phil's first post after the news of Cousins' injury. Many replied that literally nobody wanted that outcome, and most posts expressing he be traded were based on when we were 0-3 and 1-4, not 4-4.
Some do not even consider context, especially so when they are grieving.
So, it's easy to see why he's irrationally snippy when someone says Cousins is done here.

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If you spend any time on a message board baseball thread and you put a lot of weight on a pitchers record you'd get blasted pretty hard about it's actual relevance to his worth or how well he has played.

Do that with a NFL pitcher, I mean QB, and there's a different sentiment on the subject

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List of teams with QBs who are statistically worst than Saint Kirk yet somehow have managed more, the same, or very close to, the amount of wins this season.

Zach Wilson 4-3
Kenny Pickett 4-3
Whoever-the-hell-is-QB-for-Cleveland 4-3
CJ Stroud 3-4
Tannehill/Levis/Willis 3-4
Richardson/Minshew 3-5
Jimmy G 3-5
Dak 5-2
Sam Howell 3-5
Jared Goff 6-2
Desmond Ridder 4-4
Derek Carr 4-4
Baker Mayfield 3-4
Geno Smith 5-2
Brock Purdy 5-3
Mathew Stafford 3-5

But somehow the wheels will fall off because we lost Cousins? Do I need to remind everyone that we won the same amount of games but actually MORE playoff games with all the garbage that came before him than we did WITH him?

Weird outside of Cleveland and NYJ those are the #1 qbs for each team. Also all those on the list had high expectations also. You know a respectable defense, oline, and offense....

Atlanta (4-4), New Orleans (4-4), and Tampa (3-4) most definitley did NOT have high expectations. Neither did Pittsburgh for that matter. Jimmy G (3-5) just got his coach and GM fired this very morning.

Yet 4-4 is considered crushing it over here in Minnesota. Make it make sense to me.

Are they on their #3 QB? You don't fire your HC and GM if they are blaming the QB. Aren't Atlanta, TB, and NO tied for first in their division. Pittsburgh always is in it to win it.

I don't want this to become some weird, all-day, back and forth but you do know that as of one week ago we were also not on our #3 QB right? Our 4-4 record is with our #1 QB.

PS - Tennessee, Indianapolis, and especially Houston also did NOT have high expectations coming into 2023, yet, there they all are, with just one less win than we have.

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Congrats Kirk haters. You got your wish

This is Phil's first post after the news of Cousins' injury. Many replied that literally nobody wanted that outcome, and most posts expressing he be traded were based on when we were 0-3 and 1-4, not 4-4.
Some do not even consider context, especially so when they are grieving.
So, it's easy to see why he's irrationally snippy when someone says Cousins is done here.

Nah most know you are Sans Kirk....we all know who is irrational.

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Siri, what is a rabbit hole?
A rabbit hole can best be expressed by the following actual quotes:
David: List of teams with QBs who are statistically worst than Saint Kirk yet somehow have managed more, the same, or very close to, the amount of wins this season.
Phil:Are they on their #3 QB? You don't fire your HC and GM if they are blaming the QB. Aren't Atlanta, TB, and NO tied for first in their division. Pittsburgh always is in it to win it.

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Congrats Kirk haters. You got your wish

This is Phil's first post after the news of Cousins' injury. Many replied that literally nobody wanted that outcome, and most posts expressing he be traded were based on when we were 0-3 and 1-4, not 4-4.
Some do not even consider context, especially so when they are grieving.
So, it's easy to see why he's irrationally snippy when someone says Cousins is done here.

Nah most know you are Sans Kirk....we all know who is irrational.

I don't want Cousins and I separately believe Cousins will never play for Minnesota again.

Enjoy your grieving.

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It all started with "what's your basis for all of this". Seeing 16 other QBs, who are perceived to be worse than Kirk, manage more, the same, or close to the same amount of wins - is part of my basis.

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Congrats Kirk haters. You got your wish

This is Phil's first post after the news of Cousins' injury. Many replied that literally nobody wanted that outcome, and most posts expressing he be traded were based on when we were 0-3 and 1-4, not 4-4.
Some do not even consider context, especially so when they are grieving.
So, it's easy to see why he's irrationally snippy when someone says Cousins is done here.

Nah most know you are Sans Kirk....we all know who is irrational.

I don't want Cousins and I separately believe Cousins will never play for Minnesota again.

Enjoy your grieving.

Everyone knows Attorney Tank and we don't care.

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Siri, what is a rabbit hole?
A rabbit hole can best be expressed by the following actual quotes:
David: List of teams with QBs who are statistically worst than Saint Kirk yet somehow have managed more, the same, or very close to, the amount of wins this season.
Phil:Are they on their #3 QB? You don't fire your HC and GM if they are blaming the QB. Aren't Atlanta, TB, and NO tied for first in their division. Pittsburgh always is in it to win it.

Thinking going to a #3 QB will be fine and normal after winning 3 games in row with a trending up Qb, Oline, and Defense....also 2 of the best games by our QB throwing to a rookie WR. Umm also not mentioning the schedule which included KC and Philly...Rabbit Hole?

Nah you both are the irrational ones.

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Congrats Kirk haters. You got your wish

This is Phil's first post after the news of Cousins' injury. Many replied that literally nobody wanted that outcome, and most posts expressing he be traded were based on when we were 0-3 and 1-4, not 4-4.
Some do not even consider context, especially so when they are grieving.
So, it's easy to see why he's irrationally snippy when someone says Cousins is done here.

Nah most know you are Sans Kirk....we all know who is irrational.

I don't want Cousins and I separately believe Cousins will never play for Minnesota again.

Enjoy your grieving.

Everyone knows Attorney Tank and we don't care.

You care, you know you care. This offseason I'll be laughing at your incessant posts that we need to sign Cousins while speculating about our new 1st round QB.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer
Congrats Kirk haters. You got your wish

This is Phil's first post after the news of Cousins' injury. Many replied that literally nobody wanted that outcome, and most posts expressing he be traded were based on when we were 0-3 and 1-4, not 4-4.
Some do not even consider context, especially so when they are grieving.
So, it's easy to see why he's irrationally snippy when someone says Cousins is done here.

Nah most know you are Sans Kirk....we all know who is irrational.

I don't want Cousins and I separately believe Cousins will never play for Minnesota again.

Enjoy your grieving.

Everyone knows Attorney Tank and we don't care.

You care, you know you care. This offseason I'll be laughing at your incessant posts that we need to sign Cousins while speculating about our new 1st round QB.

You may need to go check back in and reaffirm with your mirror if you think that. You are so far on the tank side you can't see it. Look back at Sweens post. I like most don't want to get worse at qb and also look at the post of who our qbs have been the last 25.

I know you struggle with differing opinions even when rational.

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Congrats Kirk haters. You got your wish

This is Phil's first post after the news of Cousins' injury. Many replied that literally nobody wanted that outcome, and most posts expressing he be traded were based on when we were 0-3 and 1-4, not 4-4.
Some do not even consider context, especially so when they are grieving.
So, it's easy to see why he's irrationally snippy when someone says Cousins is done here.

Nah most know you are Sans Kirk....we all know who is irrational.

I don't want Cousins and I separately believe Cousins will never play for Minnesota again.

Enjoy your grieving.

Everyone knows Attorney Tank and we don't care.

You care, you know you care. This offseason I'll be laughing at your incessant posts that we need to sign Cousins while speculating about our new 1st round QB.

You may need to go check back in and reaffirm with your mirror if you think that. You are so far on the tank side you can't see it. Look back at Sweens post. I like most don't want to get worse at qb and also look at the post of who our qbs have been the last 25.

I know you struggle with differing opinions even when rational.

We could have tanked or we can win the Super Bowl, but I don't want Cousins and believe he is done here. Happy now?

Now, I realize you won't comprehend this but tanking is heavily predicated on trading players for future assets. But now that the trading deadline is over, there is no reason to advocate tanking because it basically doesn't exist. Is that simple enough for you?

Oh, again with the grammar: and also look at the post of who our qbs have been the last 25. Yikes.

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Congrats Kirk haters. You got your wish

This is Phil's first post after the news of Cousins' injury. Many replied that literally nobody wanted that outcome, and most posts expressing he be traded were based on when we were 0-3 and 1-4, not 4-4.
Some do not even consider context, especially so when they are grieving.
So, it's easy to see why he's irrationally snippy when someone says Cousins is done here.

Nah most know you are Sans Kirk....we all know who is irrational.

I don't want Cousins and I separately believe Cousins will never play for Minnesota again.

Enjoy your grieving.

Everyone knows Attorney Tank and we don't care.

You care, you know you care. This offseason I'll be laughing at your incessant posts that we need to sign Cousins while speculating about our new 1st round QB.

You may need to go check back in and reaffirm with your mirror if you think that. You are so far on the tank side you can't see it. Look back at Sweens post. I like most don't want to get worse at qb and also look at the post of who our qbs have been the last 25.

I know you struggle with differing opinions even when rational.

We could have tanked or we can win the Super Bowl, but I don't want Cousins and believe he is done here. Happy now?

Now, I realize you won't comprehend this but tanking is heavily predicated on trading players for future assets. But now that the trading deadline is over, there is no reason to advocate tanking because it basically doesn't exist. Is that simple enough for you?

Oh, again with the grammar: and also look at the post of who our qbs have been the last 25. Yikes.

3 sentences from the supposed rational person....sigh.

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Congrats Kirk haters. You got your wish

This is Phil's first post after the news of Cousins' injury. Many replied that literally nobody wanted that outcome, and most posts expressing he be traded were based on when we were 0-3 and 1-4, not 4-4.
Some do not even consider context, especially so when they are grieving.
So, it's easy to see why he's irrationally snippy when someone says Cousins is done here.

Nah most know you are Sans Kirk....we all know who is irrational.

I don't want Cousins and I separately believe Cousins will never play for Minnesota again.

Enjoy your grieving.

Everyone knows Attorney Tank and we don't care.

You care, you know you care. This offseason I'll be laughing at your incessant posts that we need to sign Cousins while speculating about our new 1st round QB.

You may need to go check back in and reaffirm with your mirror if you think that. You are so far on the tank side you can't see it. Look back at Sweens post. I like most don't want to get worse at qb and also look at the post of who our qbs have been the last 25.

I know you struggle with differing opinions even when rational.

We could have tanked or we can win the Super Bowl, but I don't want Cousins and believe he is done here. Happy now?

Now, I realize you won't comprehend this but tanking is heavily predicated on trading players for future assets. But now that the trading deadline is over, there is no reason to advocate tanking because it basically doesn't exist. Is that simple enough for you?

Oh, again with the grammar: and also look at the post of who our qbs have been the last 25. Yikes.

3 sentences from the supposed rational person....sigh.

You can't even count. I won't dare try to even guess the meaning of your post.

Did you understand the connection between tanking and the trade deadline? It's my personal belief/definition, and I know you struggle with that.