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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/28/2023 6:13:28 AM   
Phil Riewer


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Everybody but Phil.. sees the reality…it’s not just this board.

We don’t have the personnel to run a slant a screen or just run the football with a third string QB. All that is on KOC?

Watch the Eagles play bully ball and you truly think we can do he same? Main example Powell and Addison have been great this year but if you don’t see their struggles going over the middle due to size. KOC isn’t the issue.

I didn't realize running a slant required unicorn players.

So weird that you can’t see player’s limitations. They must all be able to do all. No schemes needed

Addison and Powell are as physical as AJ Brown apparently. KOC has schemed around it all season and you turn on him as fast as possible.

Seriously? Running a slant is as basic as it gets. Surely you're saying KAM and KOC have failed if we have nobody on the roster that can run one.

Did you watch the game? Outside of TJ they can’t run a slant. You don’t send those two over the middle like you would a more physical WR. KOC has schemed around it since JJ was hurt.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/28/2023 6:15:17 AM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/28/2023 6:16:48 AM   
Richard Neussendorfer

 

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Everybody but Phil.. sees the reality…it’s not just this board.

We don’t have the personnel to run a slant a screen or just run the football with a third string QB. All that is on KOC?

Watch the Eagles play bully ball and you truly think we can do he same? Main example Powell and Addison have been great this year but if you don’t see their struggles going over the middle due to size. KOC isn’t the issue.

I didn't realize running a slant required unicorn players.

So weird that you can’t see player’s limitations. They must all be able to do all. No schemes needed

Addison and Powell are as physical as AJ Brown apparently. KOC has schemed around it all season and you turn on him as fast as possible.

Seriously? Running a slant is as basic as it gets. Surely you're saying KAM and KOC have failed if we have nobody on the roster that can run one.

Did you watch the game? Outside of TJ they can’t run a slant. You don’t send those two over the middle like you would a more physical WR. KOC has schemed around it since JJ was hurt.

I guess Welker and Edelman were seriously physical. Good grief. Are you saying KAM and KOC have failed?
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/28/2023 6:17:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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Everybody but Phil.. sees the reality…it’s not just this board.

We don’t have the personnel to run a slant a screen or just run the football with a third string QB. All that is on KOC?

Watch the Eagles play bully ball and you truly think we can do he same? Main example Powell and Addison have been great this year but if you don’t see their struggles going over the middle due to size. KOC isn’t the issue.

It seems to me that if you have a running back and linemen and WR’s and tight ends.. you have all the parts required to run all the plays that every other FN team manages to run..

So who is responsible for making sure those positional players know thier responsibility and execute the plays they are given to run?

Who chooses those plays?

Who is responsible for making the correct choice for every offensive situation and has designed the package that is on the field for that call..?

Do the players pick thier own plays?

Do the WR players decide which route tree they run fo a playcall?
Do the offensive line men pick and choose who to block and what zone area they are responsible for on a given call?
Who decides what player is the primary receiver for a playcall?
Who designates the direction of the slant routes or the screen play?
Who determines the play blocking and run hole for a running play?
How much leeway to check out of plays do you think 27 day Dobbs has and who has told him what his check cues are and what the change call should be?

It the FN coaches job to use the talent he has to win games.

KOC was out coached by Matt Eberflus and Sean Payton..

Every other poster and Talking head is questioning KOC and his Ability to coach to win..

You are blaming players for being “ not good enough to run plays”..

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/28/2023 6:34:20 AM   
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We lost to a very bad team, at home, that didn't score a Touchdown. Hey, Marty, even the referees were on our side.


Teams were what, 0-28 not scoring a TD... until tonight. Being on the wrong end of stuff like that is disheartening.

Disheartening is the right word. A battle between toothless chihuahas unable to hurt eachother.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/28/2023 6:35:20 AM   
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Run up the middle, no gain
Run RT, 1 yard
Pass to BP, -1
Punt

Give the ball back with 2:30 to go up 1.

Lawd!

There's gotta be a series of plays out there somewhere with a higher probability of gaining a first down.

Those are hope plays. Hope we gain some yards but if we dont we've burned up there TOs

That's exactly what Zimmer always did. I don't think O'Connell has the right DNA either. I vote Flores for HC.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/28/2023 6:41:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Everybody but Phil.. sees the reality…it’s not just this board.

We don’t have the personnel to run a slant a screen or just run the football with a third string QB. All that is on KOC?

Watch the Eagles play bully ball and you truly think we can do he same? Main example Powell and Addison have been great this year but if you don’t see their struggles going over the middle due to size. KOC isn’t the issue.

It seems to me that if you have a running back and linemen and WR’s and tight ends.. you have all the parts required to run all the plays that every other FN team manages to run..

So who is responsible for making sure those positional players know thier responsibility and execute the plays they are given to run?

Who chooses those plays?

Who is responsible for making the correct choice for every offensive situation and has designed the package that is on the field for that call..?

Do the players pick thier own plays?

Do the WR players decide which route tree they run fo a playcall?
Do the offensive line men pick and choose who to block and what zone area they are responsible for on a given call?
Who decides what player is the primary receiver for a playcall?
Who designates the direction of the slant routes or the screen play?
Who determines the play blocking and run hole for a running play?
How much leeway to check out of plays do you think 27 day Dobbs has and who has told him what his check cues are and what the change call should be?

It the FN coaches job to use the talent he has to win games.

KOC was out coached by Matt Eberflus and Sean Payton..

Every other poster and Talking head is questioning KOC and his Ability to coach to win..

You are blaming players for being “ not good enough to run plays”..

Nailed it Dano!

Time for Phil to move the goal posts.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/28/2023 6:48:58 AM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/28/2023 6:50:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Everybody but Phil.. sees the reality…it’s not just this board.

We don’t have the personnel to run a slant a screen or just run the football with a third string QB. All that is on KOC?

Watch the Eagles play bully ball and you truly think we can do he same? Main example Powell and Addison have been great this year but if you don’t see their struggles going over the middle due to size. KOC isn’t the issue.

It seems to me that if you have a running back and linemen and WR’s and tight ends.. you have all the parts required to run all the plays that every other FN team manages to run..

So who is responsible for making sure those positional players know thier responsibility and execute the plays they are given to run?

Who chooses those plays?

Who is responsible for making the correct choice for every offensive situation and has designed the package that is on the field for that call..?

Do the players pick thier own plays?

Do the WR players decide which route tree they run fo a playcall?
Do the offensive line men pick and choose who to block and what zone area they are responsible for on a given call?
Who decides what player is the primary receiver for a playcall?
Who designates the direction of the slant routes or the screen play?
Who determines the play blocking and run hole for a running play?
How much leeway to check out of plays do you think 27 day Dobbs has and who has told him what his check cues are and what the change call should be?

It the FN coaches job to use the talent he has to win games.

KOC was out coached by Matt Eberflus and Sean Payton..

Every other poster and Talking head is questioning KOC and his Ability to coach to win..

You are blaming players for being “ not good enough to run plays”..

Nailed it Dano!

Time for Phil to move the goal posts.

Almost 2 seasons in and we can't execute the most basic things. That's not a good sign.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/28/2023 6:55:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		That was an ugly game last night and even worse loss. The defense played their butts off, but Dobbs put them in many tough spots. KOC lousy play calling did nothing to help the Dobbs and the offense. It was fun for a few moments with Dobbs but now the team needs to look on how they need to win. Is that with Mullens, Hall, or Dobbs. Personally I want to see Hall on the field. After the debacle last night, I am guessing Kirk is smiling and added a few more millions to his negotiations. Let the speculation begin!
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/28/2023 7:17:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Everybody but Phil.. sees the reality…it’s not just this board.

We don’t have the personnel to run a slant a screen or just run the football with a third string QB. All that is on KOC?

Watch the Eagles play bully ball and you truly think we can do he same? Main example Powell and Addison have been great this year but if you don’t see their struggles going over the middle due to size. KOC isn’t the issue.

It seems to me that if you have a running back and linemen and WR’s and tight ends.. you have all the parts required to run all the plays that every other FN team manages to run..
So who is responsible for making sure those positional players know thier responsibility and execute the plays they are given to run?
Who chooses those plays?
Who is responsible for making the correct choice for every offensive situation and has designed the package that is on the field for that call..?
Do the players pick thier own plays?
Do the WR players decide which route tree they run fo a playcall?
Do the offensive line men pick and choose who to block and what zone area they are responsible for on a given call?
Who decides what player is the primary receiver for a playcall?
Who designates the direction of the slant routes or the screen play?
Who determines the play blocking and run hole for a running play?
How much leeway to check out of plays do you think 27 day Dobbs has and who has told him what his check cues are and what the change call should be?
It the FN coaches job to use the talent he has to win games.
KOC was out coached by Matt Eberflus and Sean Payton..
Every other poster and Talking head is questioning KOC and his Ability to coach to win..
You are blaming players for being “ not good enough to run plays”..


You saw the game. JJ opens up so much and KOC has been able to scheme until about last week. We haven't been able to run or run a screen all year.
KOC didn't get outcoached by Payton. Eberflus?.....Dobbs should have had 6 INTS. In both games the QB decided the game and it wasn't ours in Denver and it was mostly ours last night (More turnovers)...Microscope the turtling all you want and I don't disagree with it but if you watch what has been going on---basically teams know we are soft at WR with 2 smallish guys and a third KJ that can't get separation plus a third string QB who runs hot and cold. Both have been seen now.

Apparently you haven't been watching what is going on. Does the majority only blame the QB play on the QB when Kirk was the QB? LOL

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/28/2023 7:21:21 AM   
Richard Neussendorfer

 

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Everybody but Phil.. sees the reality…it’s not just this board.

We don’t have the personnel to run a slant a screen or just run the football with a third string QB. All that is on KOC?

Watch the Eagles play bully ball and you truly think we can do he same? Main example Powell and Addison have been great this year but if you don’t see their struggles going over the middle due to size. KOC isn’t the issue.

It seems to me that if you have a running back and linemen and WR’s and tight ends.. you have all the parts required to run all the plays that every other FN team manages to run..
So who is responsible for making sure those positional players know thier responsibility and execute the plays they are given to run?
Who chooses those plays?
Who is responsible for making the correct choice for every offensive situation and has designed the package that is on the field for that call..?
Do the players pick thier own plays?
Do the WR players decide which route tree they run fo a playcall?
Do the offensive line men pick and choose who to block and what zone area they are responsible for on a given call?
Who decides what player is the primary receiver for a playcall?
Who designates the direction of the slant routes or the screen play?
Who determines the play blocking and run hole for a running play?
How much leeway to check out of plays do you think 27 day Dobbs has and who has told him what his check cues are and what the change call should be?
It the FN coaches job to use the talent he has to win games.
KOC was out coached by Matt Eberflus and Sean Payton..
Every other poster and Talking head is questioning KOC and his Ability to coach to win..
You are blaming players for being “ not good enough to run plays”..


You saw the game. JJ opens up so much and KOC has been able to scheme until about last week. We haven't been able to run or run a screen all year.
KOC didn't get outcoached by Payton. Eberflus?.....Dobbs should have had 6 INTS. In both games the QB decided the game and it wasn't ours in Denver and it was mostly ours last night (More turnovers)...Microscope the turtling all you want and I don't disagree with it but if you watch what has been going on---basically teams know we are soft at WR with 2 smallish guys and a third KJ that can't get seperation plus a third string QB.

Apparently you haven't been watching what is going on. Does the majority only blame the QB play on the QB when Kirk was the QB? LOL

Go back to week 1 last year. Get a lead on Gb and shut it down for the 2nd half. Has anything changed? If anything he's getting worse. Yes Dobbs played like ass but I'll ask again. Is it illegal to pull him??
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/28/2023 7:26:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Everybody but Phil.. sees the reality…it’s not just this board.

We don’t have the personnel to run a slant a screen or just run the football with a third string QB. All that is on KOC?

Watch the Eagles play bully ball and you truly think we can do he same? Main example Powell and Addison have been great this year but if you don’t see their struggles going over the middle due to size. KOC isn’t the issue.

It seems to me that if you have a running back and linemen and WR’s and tight ends.. you have all the parts required to run all the plays that every other FN team manages to run..
So who is responsible for making sure those positional players know thier responsibility and execute the plays they are given to run?
Who chooses those plays?
Who is responsible for making the correct choice for every offensive situation and has designed the package that is on the field for that call..?
Do the players pick thier own plays?
Do the WR players decide which route tree they run fo a playcall?
Do the offensive line men pick and choose who to block and what zone area they are responsible for on a given call?
Who decides what player is the primary receiver for a playcall?
Who designates the direction of the slant routes or the screen play?
Who determines the play blocking and run hole for a running play?
How much leeway to check out of plays do you think 27 day Dobbs has and who has told him what his check cues are and what the change call should be?
It the FN coaches job to use the talent he has to win games.
KOC was out coached by Matt Eberflus and Sean Payton..
Every other poster and Talking head is questioning KOC and his Ability to coach to win..
You are blaming players for being “ not good enough to run plays”..


You saw the game. JJ opens up so much and KOC has been able to scheme until about last week. We haven't been able to run or run a screen all year.
KOC didn't get outcoached by Payton. Eberflus?.....Dobbs should have had 6 INTS. In both games the QB decided the game and it wasn't ours in Denver and it was mostly ours last night (More turnovers)...Microscope the turtling all you want and I don't disagree with it but if you watch what has been going on---basically teams know we are soft at WR with 2 smallish guys and a third KJ that can't get seperation plus a third string QB.

Apparently you haven't been watching what is going on. Does the majority only blame the QB play on the QB when Kirk was the QB? LOL

Go back to week 1 last year. Get a lead on Gb and shut it down for the 2nd half. Has anything changed? If anything he's getting worse. Yes Dobbs played like ass but I'll ask again. Is it illegal to pull him??


You think Mullens or Hall is the answer? I guess they will figure out who starts next but they need all the reps. Dobbs is our best shot even after the last two games.....JJ has to play for us to scheme/be a more explosive offense.

KOC is in his 2nd year as HC...the last 2 weeks are a sharp lesson; lets see if he learns.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/28/2023 7:29:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Everybody but Phil.. sees the reality…it’s not just this board.

We don’t have the personnel to run a slant a screen or just run the football with a third string QB. All that is on KOC?

Watch the Eagles play bully ball and you truly think we can do he same? Main example Powell and Addison have been great this year but if you don’t see their struggles going over the middle due to size. KOC isn’t the issue.

It seems to me that if you have a running back and linemen and WR’s and tight ends.. you have all the parts required to run all the plays that every other FN team manages to run..
So who is responsible for making sure those positional players know thier responsibility and execute the plays they are given to run?
Who chooses those plays?
Who is responsible for making the correct choice for every offensive situation and has designed the package that is on the field for that call..?
Do the players pick thier own plays?
Do the WR players decide which route tree they run fo a playcall?
Do the offensive line men pick and choose who to block and what zone area they are responsible for on a given call?
Who decides what player is the primary receiver for a playcall?
Who designates the direction of the slant routes or the screen play?
Who determines the play blocking and run hole for a running play?
How much leeway to check out of plays do you think 27 day Dobbs has and who has told him what his check cues are and what the change call should be?
It the FN coaches job to use the talent he has to win games.
KOC was out coached by Matt Eberflus and Sean Payton..
Every other poster and Talking head is questioning KOC and his Ability to coach to win..
You are blaming players for being “ not good enough to run plays”..


You saw the game. JJ opens up so much and KOC has been able to scheme until about last week. We haven't been able to run or run a screen all year.
KOC didn't get outcoached by Payton. Eberflus?.....Dobbs should have had 6 INTS. In both games the QB decided the game and it wasn't ours in Denver and it was mostly ours last night (More turnovers)...Microscope the turtling all you want and I don't disagree with it but if you watch what has been going on---basically teams know we are soft at WR with 2 smallish guys and a third KJ that can't get seperation plus a third string QB.

Apparently you haven't been watching what is going on. Does the majority only blame the QB play on the QB when Kirk was the QB? LOL

Go back to week 1 last year. Get a lead on Gb and shut it down for the 2nd half. Has anything changed? If anything he's getting worse. Yes Dobbs played like ass but I'll ask again. Is it illegal to pull him??


You think Mullens or Hall is the answer? I guess they will figure out who starts next but they need all the reps. Dobbs is our best shot even after the last two games.....JJ has to play for us to scheme/be a more explosive offense.

KOC is in his 2nd year as HC...the last 2 weeks are a sharp lesson; lets see if he learns.

I know Dobbs wasn't the answer last night for sure. Nobody would have been upset if he pulled him in the 3rd and tried Mullens. I doubt we have "the guy" on the roster but I also doubt we have the guy at the head coaching position.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/28/2023 7:34:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Everybody but Phil.. sees the reality…it’s not just this board.

We don’t have the personnel to run a slant a screen or just run the football with a third string QB. All that is on KOC?

Watch the Eagles play bully ball and you truly think we can do he same? Main example Powell and Addison have been great this year but if you don’t see their struggles going over the middle due to size. KOC isn’t the issue.

It seems to me that if you have a running back and linemen and WR’s and tight ends.. you have all the parts required to run all the plays that every other FN team manages to run..
So who is responsible for making sure those positional players know thier responsibility and execute the plays they are given to run?
Who chooses those plays?
Who is responsible for making the correct choice for every offensive situation and has designed the package that is on the field for that call..?
Do the players pick thier own plays?
Do the WR players decide which route tree they run fo a playcall?
Do the offensive line men pick and choose who to block and what zone area they are responsible for on a given call?
Who decides what player is the primary receiver for a playcall?
Who designates the direction of the slant routes or the screen play?
Who determines the play blocking and run hole for a running play?
How much leeway to check out of plays do you think 27 day Dobbs has and who has told him what his check cues are and what the change call should be?
It the FN coaches job to use the talent he has to win games.
KOC was out coached by Matt Eberflus and Sean Payton..
Every other poster and Talking head is questioning KOC and his Ability to coach to win..
You are blaming players for being “ not good enough to run plays”..


You saw the game. JJ opens up so much and KOC has been able to scheme until about last week. We haven't been able to run or run a screen all year.
KOC didn't get outcoached by Payton. Eberflus?.....Dobbs should have had 6 INTS. In both games the QB decided the game and it wasn't ours in Denver and it was mostly ours last night (More turnovers)...Microscope the turtling all you want and I don't disagree with it but if you watch what has been going on---basically teams know we are soft at WR with 2 smallish guys and a third KJ that can't get seperation plus a third string QB.

Apparently you haven't been watching what is going on. Does the majority only blame the QB play on the QB when Kirk was the QB? LOL

Go back to week 1 last year. Get a lead on Gb and shut it down for the 2nd half. Has anything changed? If anything he's getting worse. Yes Dobbs played like ass but I'll ask again. Is it illegal to pull him??


You think Mullens or Hall is the answer? I guess they will figure out who starts next but they need all the reps. Dobbs is our best shot even after the last two games.....JJ has to play for us to scheme/be a more explosive offense.

KOC is in his 2nd year as HC...the last 2 weeks are a sharp lesson; lets see if he learns.

I know Dobbs wasn't the answer last night for sure. Nobody would have been upset if he pulled him in the 3rd and tried Mullens. I doubt we have "the guy" on the roster but I also doubt we have the guy at the head coaching position.


I couldn't disagree more...KOC isn't the issue.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/28/2023 7:35:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Everybody but Phil.. sees the reality…it’s not just this board.

We don’t have the personnel to run a slant a screen or just run the football with a third string QB. All that is on KOC?

Watch the Eagles play bully ball and you truly think we can do he same? Main example Powell and Addison have been great this year but if you don’t see their struggles going over the middle due to size. KOC isn’t the issue.

It seems to me that if you have a running back and linemen and WR’s and tight ends.. you have all the parts required to run all the plays that every other FN team manages to run..
So who is responsible for making sure those positional players know thier responsibility and execute the plays they are given to run?
Who chooses those plays?
Who is responsible for making the correct choice for every offensive situation and has designed the package that is on the field for that call..?
Do the players pick thier own plays?
Do the WR players decide which route tree they run fo a playcall?
Do the offensive line men pick and choose who to block and what zone area they are responsible for on a given call?
Who decides what player is the primary receiver for a playcall?
Who designates the direction of the slant routes or the screen play?
Who determines the play blocking and run hole for a running play?
How much leeway to check out of plays do you think 27 day Dobbs has and who has told him what his check cues are and what the change call should be?
It the FN coaches job to use the talent he has to win games.
KOC was out coached by Matt Eberflus and Sean Payton..
Every other poster and Talking head is questioning KOC and his Ability to coach to win..
You are blaming players for being “ not good enough to run plays”..


You saw the game. JJ opens up so much and KOC has been able to scheme until about last week. We haven't been able to run or run a screen all year.
KOC didn't get outcoached by Payton. Eberflus?.....Dobbs should have had 6 INTS. In both games the QB decided the game and it wasn't ours in Denver and it was mostly ours last night (More turnovers)...Microscope the turtling all you want and I don't disagree with it but if you watch what has been going on---basically teams know we are soft at WR with 2 smallish guys and a third KJ that can't get seperation plus a third string QB.

Apparently you haven't been watching what is going on. Does the majority only blame the QB play on the QB when Kirk was the QB? LOL

Go back to week 1 last year. Get a lead on Gb and shut it down for the 2nd half. Has anything changed? If anything he's getting worse. Yes Dobbs played like ass but I'll ask again. Is it illegal to pull him??


You think Mullens or Hall is the answer? I guess they will figure out who starts next but they need all the reps. Dobbs is our best shot even after the last two games.....JJ has to play for us to scheme/be a more explosive offense.

KOC is in his 2nd year as HC...the last 2 weeks are a sharp lesson; lets see if he learns.

I know Dobbs wasn't the answer last night for sure. Nobody would have been upset if he pulled him in the 3rd and tried Mullens. I doubt we have "the guy" on the roster but I also doubt we have the guy at the head coaching position.


I couldn't disagree more...KOC isn't the issue.

KOC has a lot of issues. You just refuse to see them.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/28/2023 8:27:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Everybody but Phil.. sees the reality…it’s not just this board.

We don’t have the personnel to run a slant a screen or just run the football with a third string QB. All that is on KOC?

Watch the Eagles play bully ball and you truly think we can do he same? Main example Powell and Addison have been great this year but if you don’t see their struggles going over the middle due to size. KOC isn’t the issue.

It seems to me that if you have a running back and linemen and WR’s and tight ends.. you have all the parts required to run all the plays that every other FN team manages to run..
So who is responsible for making sure those positional players know thier responsibility and execute the plays they are given to run?
Who chooses those plays?
Who is responsible for making the correct choice for every offensive situation and has designed the package that is on the field for that call..?
Do the players pick thier own plays?
Do the WR players decide which route tree they run fo a playcall?
Do the offensive line men pick and choose who to block and what zone area they are responsible for on a given call?
Who decides what player is the primary receiver for a playcall?
Who designates the direction of the slant routes or the screen play?
Who determines the play blocking and run hole for a running play?
How much leeway to check out of plays do you think 27 day Dobbs has and who has told him what his check cues are and what the change call should be?
It the FN coaches job to use the talent he has to win games.
KOC was out coached by Matt Eberflus and Sean Payton..
Every other poster and Talking head is questioning KOC and his Ability to coach to win..
You are blaming players for being “ not good enough to run plays”..


You saw the game. JJ opens up so much and KOC has been able to scheme until about last week. We haven't been able to run or run a screen all year.
KOC didn't get outcoached by Payton. Eberflus?.....Dobbs should have had 6 INTS. In both games the QB decided the game and it wasn't ours in Denver and it was mostly ours last night (More turnovers)...Microscope the turtling all you want and I don't disagree with it but if you watch what has been going on---basically teams know we are soft at WR with 2 smallish guys and a third KJ that can't get seperation plus a third string QB.

Apparently you haven't been watching what is going on. Does the majority only blame the QB play on the QB when Kirk was the QB? LOL

Go back to week 1 last year. Get a lead on Gb and shut it down for the 2nd half. Has anything changed? If anything he's getting worse. Yes Dobbs played like ass but I'll ask again. Is it illegal to pull him??


You think Mullens or Hall is the answer? I guess they will figure out who starts next but they need all the reps. Dobbs is our best shot even after the last two games.....JJ has to play for us to scheme/be a more explosive offense.

KOC is in his 2nd year as HC...the last 2 weeks are a sharp lesson; lets see if he learns.

I know Dobbs wasn't the answer last night for sure. Nobody would have been upset if he pulled him in the 3rd and tried Mullens. I doubt we have "the guy" on the roster but I also doubt we have the guy at the head coaching position.


I couldn't disagree more...KOC isn't the issue.

KOC has a lot of issues. You just refuse to see them.

He's a Trump guy. He misses most everything.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/28/2023 9:17:07 AM   
Mark Anderson

 

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Obviously, the regime’s wag the dog gamble is to have an intelligent athletic daredevil of a qb shut the offense down to make resigning the statue of a dufus Cousins seem like a good idea this offseason.

When was Dobbs effective? When he didn't know the offense and improvised.

Granted, teams are scheming to keep him in pocket, but we seem to be trying to use Dobbs like we used Cousins.

Dobbs is not a pocket passer like Cousins. He doesn't have the accuracy or the timing to be effective like Cousins(at his best).

21st Century offense went back to the 19th Century.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/28/2023 9:18:24 AM   
Bill Johanesen


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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Everybody but Phil.. sees the reality…it’s not just this board.

We don’t have the personnel to run a slant a screen or just run the football with a third string QB. All that is on KOC?

Watch the Eagles play bully ball and you truly think we can do he same? Main example Powell and Addison have been great this year but if you don’t see their struggles going over the middle due to size. KOC isn’t the issue.

I didn't realize running a slant required unicorn players.

So weird that you can’t see player’s limitations. They must all be able to do all. No schemes needed

Addison and Powell are as physical as AJ Brown apparently. KOC has schemed around it all season and you turn on him as fast as possible.

Seriously? Running a slant is as basic as it gets. Surely you're saying KAM and KOC have failed if we have nobody on the roster that can run one.

Did you watch the game? Outside of TJ they can’t run a slant. You don’t send those two over the middle like you would a more physical WR. KOC has schemed around it since JJ was hurt.

I guess Welker and Edelman were seriously physical. Good grief. Are you saying KAM and KOC have failed?


Don't worry. When it's time to defend Kwesi's drafting prowess, he'll change his tune about those players especially Addison.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/28/2023 9:24:47 AM   
Mark Anderson

 

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

I wonder how many of KOC’s decisions were on the right side of analytics. A couple nice fakes on 4th that did work or would have worked but also a number of - wow we’re going for it here?! Add the turtling that has lost us games and I’d bet he’s not sporting a positive grade.

Last year we came from behind or it was tied in 4th quarter(8 comeback wins). That's when his play calling was at its best.

He has proven time and time again he can't protect a lead. I want him to use Viking analytics. We lose when he plays conservative at the end of games.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/28/2023 9:29:05 AM  2 votes
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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Everybody but Phil.. sees the reality…it’s not just this board.

We don’t have the personnel to run a slant a screen or just run the football with a third string QB. All that is on KOC?

Watch the Eagles play bully ball and you truly think we can do he same? Main example Powell and Addison have been great this year but if you don’t see their struggles going over the middle due to size. KOC isn’t the issue.

It seems to me that if you have a running back and linemen and WR’s and tight ends.. you have all the parts required to run all the plays that every other FN team manages to run..
So who is responsible for making sure those positional players know thier responsibility and execute the plays they are given to run?
Who chooses those plays?
Who is responsible for making the correct choice for every offensive situation and has designed the package that is on the field for that call..?
Do the players pick thier own plays?
Do the WR players decide which route tree they run fo a playcall?
Do the offensive line men pick and choose who to block and what zone area they are responsible for on a given call?
Who decides what player is the primary receiver for a playcall?
Who designates the direction of the slant routes or the screen play?
Who determines the play blocking and run hole for a running play?
How much leeway to check out of plays do you think 27 day Dobbs has and who has told him what his check cues are and what the change call should be?
It the FN coaches job to use the talent he has to win games.
KOC was out coached by Matt Eberflus and Sean Payton..
Every other poster and Talking head is questioning KOC and his Ability to coach to win..
You are blaming players for being “ not good enough to run plays”..


You saw the game. JJ opens up so much and KOC has been able to scheme until about last week. We haven't been able to run or run a screen all year.
KOC didn't get outcoached by Payton. Eberflus?.....Dobbs should have had 6 INTS. In both games the QB decided the game and it wasn't ours in Denver and it was mostly ours last night (More turnovers)...Microscope the turtling all you want and I don't disagree with it but if you watch what has been going on---basically teams know we are soft at WR with 2 smallish guys and a third KJ that can't get seperation plus a third string QB.

Apparently you haven't been watching what is going on. Does the majority only blame the QB play on the QB when Kirk was the QB? LOL

Go back to week 1 last year. Get a lead on Gb and shut it down for the 2nd half. Has anything changed? If anything he's getting worse. Yes Dobbs played like ass but I'll ask again. Is it illegal to pull him??


You think Mullens or Hall is the answer? I guess they will figure out who starts next but they need all the reps. Dobbs is our best shot even after the last two games.....JJ has to play for us to scheme/be a more explosive offense.

KOC is in his 2nd year as HC...the last 2 weeks are a sharp lesson; lets see if he learns.

I know Dobbs wasn't the answer last night for sure. Nobody would have been upset if he pulled him in the 3rd and tried Mullens. I doubt we have "the guy" on the roster but I also doubt we have the guy at the head coaching position.


I couldn't disagree more...KOC isn't the issue.

KOC has a lot of issues. You just refuse to see them.

He's a Trump guy. He misses most everything.


Where have you been during the win streak Brad H? Come in to fire our coach? LOL

Brad H plays both sides and the middle when convenient....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/28/2023 9:29:16 AM   
Bill Johanesen


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Status: offline 		During the game KOC said he wanted to get the offense into a rhythm. Guess there was a series that wasn't run, run, LOS pass.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/28/2023 9:30:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Everybody but Phil.. sees the reality…it’s not just this board.

We don’t have the personnel to run a slant a screen or just run the football with a third string QB. All that is on KOC?

Watch the Eagles play bully ball and you truly think we can do he same? Main example Powell and Addison have been great this year but if you don’t see their struggles going over the middle due to size. KOC isn’t the issue.

I didn't realize running a slant required unicorn players.

So weird that you can’t see player’s limitations. They must all be able to do all. No schemes needed

Addison and Powell are as physical as AJ Brown apparently. KOC has schemed around it all season and you turn on him as fast as possible.

Seriously? Running a slant is as basic as it gets. Surely you're saying KAM and KOC have failed if we have nobody on the roster that can run one.

Did you watch the game? Outside of TJ they can’t run a slant. You don’t send those two over the middle like you would a more physical WR. KOC has schemed around it since JJ was hurt.

I guess Welker and Edelman were seriously physical. Good grief. Are you saying KAM and KOC have failed?


Don't worry. When it's time to defend Kwesi's drafting prowess, he'll change his tune about those players especially Addison.


Never seen 2 guys play both sides and the middle so much as Brad and Bill.
A qb throws 4 picks and should of had five and he blames the coach. He is a 3rd string QB. Maybe it is Kirk's fault? LOL

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/28/2023 9:32:54 AM   
Phil Riewer


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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson
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ORIGINAL: Todd M
I wonder how many of KOC’s decisions were on the right side of analytics. A couple nice fakes on 4th that did work or would have worked but also a number of - wow we’re going for it here?! Add the turtling that has lost us games and I’d bet he’s not sporting a positive grade.

Last year we came from behind or it was tied in 4th quarter(8 comeback wins). That's when his play calling was at its best.
He has proven time and time again he can't protect a lead. I want him to use Viking analytics. We lose when he plays conservative at the end of games.


Weird a rookie coach comes in and turns that team into 13-4 and this year turns a team from 1-4 to 6-4....just never seen so many bandwagon jumpers on and off in my life. He has to learn yet how not to turtle....not a fireable offense with this years team.

Not surprised Brad H showed up with a poor attempt of a political slam to boot.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/28/2023 9:34:02 AM   
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