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No they will draft the worst best worst QB in the draft as KOCQBOTF and let KOC turn him into KFC 2.5.2

(2.0) Mannion the minion..

(2.5) Josh Dobbs second game as a Viking..
( 2.5.1) Josh Dobbs now…
( 2.5.199) probably Hall…
(2.5.2) whoever KOC gets to “coach up” next…

God help us. KOC getting "his guy". When will that be? This team is doomed for the foreseeable future.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Ready for Hall to start at QB. Dobbs was a great story, but he's worn out his 27-day welcome.

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Typical Vikings and their conservative play calling and zone defense when they need a stop. Doesn't matter who is coaching this team. We get one first down we win the game. Idiot calls two runs and a stupid WR screen...and then in post game blames the INT's. Fact is they had a chance to win and KOC blew it. And JJ should have been playing. Seven weeks for a hamstring? If the delay came from Jefferson they need to just get rid of him...selfish player. If it came from the Vikings they are just dumb. They can't even get tanking right...they will finish 8-9 or 9-8 and draft the fifth best QB in the draft.

But, I think you can get the fifth QB taken and still come away with a QBOTF.

Do I trust KAM and KOC to find that guy? Not sure.

I hope that you're right but that's more wishful thinking than anything else. I'd much rather been in the position of selecting from among the QB's that I consider to be the best available options. Selecting the fifth "best" is a good way to end up with a Ponder. I'm not saying that the 5th best can't become a Hall of Fame QB but you're basically in the position of taking whatever falls to you. That doesn't seem like a solid plan. I don't blame the player for playing as hard as they can to win every game but the end result may mean with resigning Cousins.

We're in a tough position QBOTF wise.

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Typical Vikings and their conservative play calling and zone defense when they need a stop. Doesn't matter who is coaching this team. We get one first down we win the game. Idiot calls two runs and a stupid WR screen...and then in post game blames the INT's. Fact is they had a chance to win and KOC blew it. And JJ should have been playing. Seven weeks for a hamstring? If the delay came from Jefferson they need to just get rid of him...selfish player. If it came from the Vikings they are just dumb. They can't even get tanking right...they will finish 8-9 or 9-8 and draft the fifth best QB in the draft.

But, I think you can get the fifth QB taken and still come away with a QBOTF.

Do I trust KAM and KOC to find that guy? Not sure.

I hope that you're right but that's more wishful thinking than anything else. I'd much rather been in the position of selecting from among the QB's that I consider to be the best available options. Selecting the fifth "best" is a good way to end up with a Ponder. I'm not saying that the 5th best can't become a Hall of Fame QB but you're basically in the position of taking whatever falls to you. That doesn't seem like a solid plan. I don't blame the player for playing as hard as they can to win every game but the end result may mean with resigning Cousins.

We're in a tough position QBOTF wise.

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Everybody but Phil.. sees the reality…it’s not just this board.

We don’t have the personnel to run a slant a screen or just run the football with a third string QB. All that is on KOC?

Watch the Eagles play bully ball and you truly think we can do he same? Main example Powell and Addison have been great this year but if you don’t see their struggles going over the middle due to size. KOC isn’t the issue.

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Everybody but Phil.. sees the reality…it’s not just this board.

We don’t have the personnel to run a slant a screen or just run the football with a third string QB. All that is on KOC?

Watch the Eagles play bully ball and you truly think we can do he same? Main example Powell and Addison have been great this year but if you don’t see their struggles going over the middle due to size. KOC isn’t the issue.

It seems to me that if you have a running back and linemen and WR’s and tight ends.. you have all the parts required to run all the plays that every other FN team manages to run..

So who is responsible for making sure those positional players know thier responsibility and execute the plays they are given to run?

Who chooses those plays?

Who is responsible for making the correct choice for every offensive situation and has designed the package that is on the field for that call..?

Do the players pick thier own plays?

Do the WR players decide which route tree they run fo a playcall?
Do the offensive line men pick and choose who to block and what zone area they are responsible for on a given call?
Who decides what player is the primary receiver for a playcall?
Who designates the direction of the slant routes or the screen play?
Who determines the play blocking and run hole for a running play?
How much leeway to check out of plays do you think 27 day Dobbs has and who has told him what his check cues are and what the change call should be?

It the FN coaches job to use the talent he has to win games.

KOC was out coached by Matt Eberflus and Sean Payton..

Every other poster and Talking head is questioning KOC and his Ability to coach to win..

You are blaming players for being “ not good enough to run plays”..

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ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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Typical Vikings and their conservative play calling and zone defense when they need a stop. Doesn't matter who is coaching this team. We get one first down we win the game. Idiot calls two runs and a stupid WR screen...and then in post game blames the INT's. Fact is they had a chance to win and KOC blew it. And JJ should have been playing. Seven weeks for a hamstring? If the delay came from Jefferson they need to just get rid of him...selfish player. If it came from the Vikings they are just dumb. They can't even get tanking right...they will finish 8-9 or 9-8 and draft the fifth best QB in the draft.

But, I think you can get the fifth QB taken and still come away with a QBOTF.

Do I trust KAM and KOC to find that guy? Not sure.

I hope that you're right but that's more wishful thinking than anything else. I'd much rather been in the position of selecting from among the QB's that I consider to be the best available options. Selecting the fifth "best" is a good way to end up with a Ponder. I'm not saying that the 5th best can't become a Hall of Fame QB but you're basically in the position of taking whatever falls to you. That doesn't seem like a solid plan. I don't blame the player for playing as hard as they can to win every game but the end result may mean with resigning Cousins.

We're in a tough position QBOTF wise.

I'm saying the 5th QB taken might end up being the 2nd best. Lots of questions and different opinions on all of them after Williams.

Not a set Top 5.

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Everybody but Phil.. sees the reality…it’s not just this board.

We don’t have the personnel to run a slant a screen or just run the football with a third string QB. All that is on KOC?

Watch the Eagles play bully ball and you truly think we can do he same? Main example Powell and Addison have been great this year but if you don’t see their struggles going over the middle due to size. KOC isn’t the issue.

It seems to me that if you have a running back and linemen and WR’s and tight ends.. you have all the parts required to run all the plays that every other FN team manages to run..
So who is responsible for making sure those positional players know thier responsibility and execute the plays they are given to run?
Who chooses those plays?
Who is responsible for making the correct choice for every offensive situation and has designed the package that is on the field for that call..?
Do the players pick thier own plays?
Do the WR players decide which route tree they run fo a playcall?
Do the offensive line men pick and choose who to block and what zone area they are responsible for on a given call?
Who decides what player is the primary receiver for a playcall?
Who designates the direction of the slant routes or the screen play?
Who determines the play blocking and run hole for a running play?
How much leeway to check out of plays do you think 27 day Dobbs has and who has told him what his check cues are and what the change call should be?
It the FN coaches job to use the talent he has to win games.
KOC was out coached by Matt Eberflus and Sean Payton..
Every other poster and Talking head is questioning KOC and his Ability to coach to win..
You are blaming players for being “ not good enough to run plays”..

You saw the game. JJ opens up so much and KOC has been able to scheme until about last week. We haven't been able to run or run a screen all year.
KOC didn't get outcoached by Payton. Eberflus?.....Dobbs should have had 6 INTS. In both games the QB decided the game and it wasn't ours in Denver and it was mostly ours last night (More turnovers)...Microscope the turtling all you want and I don't disagree with it but if you watch what has been going on---basically teams know we are soft at WR with 2 smallish guys and a third KJ that can't get seperation plus a third string QB.

Apparently you haven't been watching what is going on. Does the majority only blame the QB play on the QB when Kirk was the QB? LOL

Go back to week 1 last year. Get a lead on Gb and shut it down for the 2nd half. Has anything changed? If anything he's getting worse. Yes Dobbs played like ass but I'll ask again. Is it illegal to pull him??

You think Mullens or Hall is the answer? I guess they will figure out who starts next but they need all the reps. Dobbs is our best shot even after the last two games.....JJ has to play for us to scheme/be a more explosive offense.

KOC is in his 2nd year as HC...the last 2 weeks are a sharp lesson; lets see if he learns.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Everybody but Phil.. sees the reality…it’s not just this board.

We don’t have the personnel to run a slant a screen or just run the football with a third string QB. All that is on KOC?

Watch the Eagles play bully ball and you truly think we can do he same? Main example Powell and Addison have been great this year but if you don’t see their struggles going over the middle due to size. KOC isn’t the issue.

It seems to me that if you have a running back and linemen and WR’s and tight ends.. you have all the parts required to run all the plays that every other FN team manages to run..
So who is responsible for making sure those positional players know thier responsibility and execute the plays they are given to run?
Who chooses those plays?
Who is responsible for making the correct choice for every offensive situation and has designed the package that is on the field for that call..?
Do the players pick thier own plays?
Do the WR players decide which route tree they run fo a playcall?
Do the offensive line men pick and choose who to block and what zone area they are responsible for on a given call?
Who decides what player is the primary receiver for a playcall?
Who designates the direction of the slant routes or the screen play?
Who determines the play blocking and run hole for a running play?
How much leeway to check out of plays do you think 27 day Dobbs has and who has told him what his check cues are and what the change call should be?
It the FN coaches job to use the talent he has to win games.
KOC was out coached by Matt Eberflus and Sean Payton..
Every other poster and Talking head is questioning KOC and his Ability to coach to win..
You are blaming players for being “ not good enough to run plays”..

You saw the game. JJ opens up so much and KOC has been able to scheme until about last week. We haven't been able to run or run a screen all year.
KOC didn't get outcoached by Payton. Eberflus?.....Dobbs should have had 6 INTS. In both games the QB decided the game and it wasn't ours in Denver and it was mostly ours last night (More turnovers)...Microscope the turtling all you want and I don't disagree with it but if you watch what has been going on---basically teams know we are soft at WR with 2 smallish guys and a third KJ that can't get seperation plus a third string QB.

Apparently you haven't been watching what is going on. Does the majority only blame the QB play on the QB when Kirk was the QB? LOL

Go back to week 1 last year. Get a lead on Gb and shut it down for the 2nd half. Has anything changed? If anything he's getting worse. Yes Dobbs played like ass but I'll ask again. Is it illegal to pull him??

You think Mullens or Hall is the answer? I guess they will figure out who starts next but they need all the reps. Dobbs is our best shot even after the last two games.....JJ has to play for us to scheme/be a more explosive offense.

KOC is in his 2nd year as HC...the last 2 weeks are a sharp lesson; lets see if he learns.

I know Dobbs wasn't the answer last night for sure. Nobody would have been upset if he pulled him in the 3rd and tried Mullens. I doubt we have "the guy" on the roster but I also doubt we have the guy at the head coaching position.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Everybody but Phil.. sees the reality…it’s not just this board.

We don’t have the personnel to run a slant a screen or just run the football with a third string QB. All that is on KOC?

Watch the Eagles play bully ball and you truly think we can do he same? Main example Powell and Addison have been great this year but if you don’t see their struggles going over the middle due to size. KOC isn’t the issue.

It seems to me that if you have a running back and linemen and WR’s and tight ends.. you have all the parts required to run all the plays that every other FN team manages to run..
So who is responsible for making sure those positional players know thier responsibility and execute the plays they are given to run?
Who chooses those plays?
Who is responsible for making the correct choice for every offensive situation and has designed the package that is on the field for that call..?
Do the players pick thier own plays?
Do the WR players decide which route tree they run fo a playcall?
Do the offensive line men pick and choose who to block and what zone area they are responsible for on a given call?
Who decides what player is the primary receiver for a playcall?
Who designates the direction of the slant routes or the screen play?
Who determines the play blocking and run hole for a running play?
How much leeway to check out of plays do you think 27 day Dobbs has and who has told him what his check cues are and what the change call should be?
It the FN coaches job to use the talent he has to win games.
KOC was out coached by Matt Eberflus and Sean Payton..
Every other poster and Talking head is questioning KOC and his Ability to coach to win..
You are blaming players for being “ not good enough to run plays”..

You saw the game. JJ opens up so much and KOC has been able to scheme until about last week. We haven't been able to run or run a screen all year.
KOC didn't get outcoached by Payton. Eberflus?.....Dobbs should have had 6 INTS. In both games the QB decided the game and it wasn't ours in Denver and it was mostly ours last night (More turnovers)...Microscope the turtling all you want and I don't disagree with it but if you watch what has been going on---basically teams know we are soft at WR with 2 smallish guys and a third KJ that can't get seperation plus a third string QB.

Apparently you haven't been watching what is going on. Does the majority only blame the QB play on the QB when Kirk was the QB? LOL

Go back to week 1 last year. Get a lead on Gb and shut it down for the 2nd half. Has anything changed? If anything he's getting worse. Yes Dobbs played like ass but I'll ask again. Is it illegal to pull him??

You think Mullens or Hall is the answer? I guess they will figure out who starts next but they need all the reps. Dobbs is our best shot even after the last two games.....JJ has to play for us to scheme/be a more explosive offense.

KOC is in his 2nd year as HC...the last 2 weeks are a sharp lesson; lets see if he learns.

Time to move on from Dobbs. He's a journeyman that should not figure into anything more than a future backup. Mullins is also a journeyman with no future. The only QB on the team that we don't know much about is Hall. Play him. If he sucks, it's better to know that now. Being mediocre in the NFL without a young, upcoming QB is the very worst place to be in the NFL. It's a QB league plain and simple and we don't have one on the roster who can win a Super Bowl.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Everybody but Phil.. sees the reality…it’s not just this board.

We don’t have the personnel to run a slant a screen or just run the football with a third string QB. All that is on KOC?

Watch the Eagles play bully ball and you truly think we can do he same? Main example Powell and Addison have been great this year but if you don’t see their struggles going over the middle due to size. KOC isn’t the issue.

It seems to me that if you have a running back and linemen and WR’s and tight ends.. you have all the parts required to run all the plays that every other FN team manages to run..
So who is responsible for making sure those positional players know thier responsibility and execute the plays they are given to run?
Who chooses those plays?
Who is responsible for making the correct choice for every offensive situation and has designed the package that is on the field for that call..?
Do the players pick thier own plays?
Do the WR players decide which route tree they run fo a playcall?
Do the offensive line men pick and choose who to block and what zone area they are responsible for on a given call?
Who decides what player is the primary receiver for a playcall?
Who designates the direction of the slant routes or the screen play?
Who determines the play blocking and run hole for a running play?
How much leeway to check out of plays do you think 27 day Dobbs has and who has told him what his check cues are and what the change call should be?
It the FN coaches job to use the talent he has to win games.
KOC was out coached by Matt Eberflus and Sean Payton..
Every other poster and Talking head is questioning KOC and his Ability to coach to win..
You are blaming players for being “ not good enough to run plays”..

You saw the game. JJ opens up so much and KOC has been able to scheme until about last week. We haven't been able to run or run a screen all year.
KOC didn't get outcoached by Payton. Eberflus?.....Dobbs should have had 6 INTS. In both games the QB decided the game and it wasn't ours in Denver and it was mostly ours last night (More turnovers)...Microscope the turtling all you want and I don't disagree with it but if you watch what has been going on---basically teams know we are soft at WR with 2 smallish guys and a third KJ that can't get seperation plus a third string QB.

Apparently you haven't been watching what is going on. Does the majority only blame the QB play on the QB when Kirk was the QB? LOL

Go back to week 1 last year. Get a lead on Gb and shut it down for the 2nd half. Has anything changed? If anything he's getting worse. Yes Dobbs played like ass but I'll ask again. Is it illegal to pull him??

You think Mullens or Hall is the answer? I guess they will figure out who starts next but they need all the reps. Dobbs is our best shot even after the last two games.....JJ has to play for us to scheme/be a more explosive offense.

KOC is in his 2nd year as HC...the last 2 weeks are a sharp lesson; lets see if he learns.

I know Dobbs wasn't the answer last night for sure. Nobody would have been upset if he pulled him in the 3rd and tried Mullens. I doubt we have "the guy" on the roster but I also doubt we have the guy at the head coaching position.

If a team doesn't have the "guy" at QB, it doesn't really matter who the coach is.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Everybody but Phil.. sees the reality…it’s not just this board.

We don’t have the personnel to run a slant a screen or just run the football with a third string QB. All that is on KOC?

Watch the Eagles play bully ball and you truly think we can do he same? Main example Powell and Addison have been great this year but if you don’t see their struggles going over the middle due to size. KOC isn’t the issue.

I didn't realize running a slant required unicorn players.

So weird that you can’t see player’s limitations. They must all be able to do all. No schemes needed

Addison and Powell are as physical as AJ Brown apparently. KOC has schemed around it all season and you turn on him as fast as possible.

Seriously? Running a slant is as basic as it gets. Surely you're saying KAM and KOC have failed if we have nobody on the roster that can run one.

Did you watch the game? Outside of TJ they can’t run a slant. You don’t send those two over the middle like you would a more physical WR. KOC has schemed around it since JJ was hurt.

I guess Welker and Edelman were seriously physical. Good grief. Are you saying KAM and KOC have failed?

Don't worry. When it's time to defend Kwesi's drafting prowess, he'll change his tune about those players especially Addison.

Never seen 2 guys play both sides and the middle so much as Brad and Bill.
A qb throws 4 picks and should of had five and he blames the coach. He is a 3rd string QB. Maybe it is Kirk's fault? LOL

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It's not either or with KOC and Dobbs in that KOC should have at least tried something other than the predictable throwaway plays in the crucial drive. Give the players a fighting chance. They have to see what's going on, and I wonder what they are thinking.

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I wonder how many of KOC’s decisions were on the right side of analytics. A couple nice fakes on 4th that did work or would have worked but also a number of - wow we’re going for it here?! Add the turtling that has lost us games and I’d bet he’s not sporting a positive grade.

Last year we came from behind or it was tied in 4th quarter(8 comeback wins). That's when his play calling was at its best.
He has proven time and time again he can't protect a lead. I want him to use Viking analytics. We lose when he plays conservative at the end of games.

Weird a rookie coach comes in and turns that team into 13-4 and this year turns a team from 1-4 to 6-4....just never seen so many bandwagon jumpers on and off in my life. He has to learn yet how not to turtle....not a fireable offense with this years team.

Not surprised Brad H showed up with a poor attempt of a political slam to boot.

I'm not for firing the guy but have some awareness.

Saints game: Just lucky that they had Jameis playing
Denver game: Big turtle
CHI game: Bigger turtle

These young guys have egos. Listen to Staley when they question him. They are not changing for anyone. Even if it means losses(I guess).

Yes, Dobbs was terrible but, with the game on the line, you can draw up a roll out(on 1st down) and tell him to either run and slide or hit a wide open player. Chicago had been in FG range 5 times before last drive so you know they can move the ball on your defense.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Everybody but Phil.. sees the reality…it’s not just this board.

We don’t have the personnel to run a slant a screen or just run the football with a third string QB. All that is on KOC?

Watch the Eagles play bully ball and you truly think we can do he same? Main example Powell and Addison have been great this year but if you don’t see their struggles going over the middle due to size. KOC isn’t the issue.

I didn't realize running a slant required unicorn players.

So weird that you can’t see player’s limitations. They must all be able to do all. No schemes needed

Addison and Powell are as physical as AJ Brown apparently. KOC has schemed around it all season and you turn on him as fast as possible.

Seriously? Running a slant is as basic as it gets. Surely you're saying KAM and KOC have failed if we have nobody on the roster that can run one.

Did you watch the game? Outside of TJ they can’t run a slant. You don’t send those two over the middle like you would a more physical WR. KOC has schemed around it since JJ was hurt.

I guess Welker and Edelman were seriously physical. Good grief. Are you saying KAM and KOC have failed?

Don't worry. When it's time to defend Kwesi's drafting prowess, he'll change his tune about those players especially Addison.

Never seen 2 guys play both sides and the middle so much as Brad and Bill.
A qb throws 4 picks and should of had five and he blames the coach. He is a 3rd string QB. Maybe it is Kirk's fault? LOL

4 picks = losing almost every time. The historical stats bear this out. You just can not turn the ball over like that and win. Dobbs is turnover machine. That was his history before he joined the team. Fun to watch sometimes but not a winning QB.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Everybody but Phil.. sees the reality…it’s not just this board.

We don’t have the personnel to run a slant a screen or just run the football with a third string QB. All that is on KOC?

Watch the Eagles play bully ball and you truly think we can do he same? Main example Powell and Addison have been great this year but if you don’t see their struggles going over the middle due to size. KOC isn’t the issue.

I didn't realize running a slant required unicorn players.

So weird that you can’t see player’s limitations. They must all be able to do all. No schemes needed

Addison and Powell are as physical as AJ Brown apparently. KOC has schemed around it all season and you turn on him as fast as possible.

Seriously? Running a slant is as basic as it gets. Surely you're saying KAM and KOC have failed if we have nobody on the roster that can run one.

Did you watch the game? Outside of TJ they can’t run a slant. You don’t send those two over the middle like you would a more physical WR. KOC has schemed around it since JJ was hurt.

I guess Welker and Edelman were seriously physical. Good grief. Are you saying KAM and KOC have failed?

Don't worry. When it's time to defend Kwesi's drafting prowess, he'll change his tune about those players especially Addison.

Never seen 2 guys play both sides and the middle so much as Brad and Bill.
A qb throws 4 picks and should of had five and he blames the coach. He is a 3rd string QB. Maybe it is Kirk's fault? LOL

4 picks = losing almost every time. The historical stats bear this out. You just can not turn the ball over like that and win. Dobbs is turnover machine. That was his history before he joined the team. Fun to watch sometimes but not a winning QB.

That has no bearing on the end of the game. We scored a TD in the previous 77 yard drive. We simply needed a 1st down to win the game.

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I wonder how many of KOC’s decisions were on the right side of analytics. A couple nice fakes on 4th that did work or would have worked but also a number of - wow we’re going for it here?! Add the turtling that has lost us games and I’d bet he’s not sporting a positive grade.

Last year we came from behind or it was tied in 4th quarter(8 comeback wins). That's when his play calling was at its best.
He has proven time and time again he can't protect a lead. I want him to use Viking analytics. We lose when he plays conservative at the end of games.

Weird a rookie coach comes in and turns that team into 13-4 and this year turns a team from 1-4 to 6-4....just never seen so many bandwagon jumpers on and off in my life. He has to learn yet how not to turtle....not a fireable offense with this years team.

Not surprised Brad H showed up with a poor attempt of a political slam to boot.

I'm not for firing the guy but have some awareness.

Saints game: Just lucky that they had Jameis playing
Denver game: Big turtle
CHI game: Bigger turtle

These young guys have egos. Listen to Staley when they question him. They are not changing for anyone. Even if it means losses(I guess).

Yes, Dobbs was terrible but, with the game on the line, you can draw up a roll out(on 1st down) and tell him to either run and slide or hit a wide open player. Chicago had been in FG range 5 times before last drive so you know they can move the ball on your defense.

Bingo. The guy isn't learning a damn thing. Doesn't inspire much confidence in my opinion. Huge red flags.

I have it more like:
Chicago Game: Turtle on the last drive
Saints Game: Biggest Turtle
Denver: Turtle

He needs to adapt and quickly.

Fair enough.

I still think there biggest problem is they have don't have a consistent running game....JJ coming back will help but just a bunch of questions on our RBs.

the running plays are so obvious...ham and two tight ends on the right - defense shift to that side and load the box - run right....

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Everybody but Phil.. sees the reality…it’s not just this board.

We don’t have the personnel to run a slant a screen or just run the football with a third string QB. All that is on KOC?

Watch the Eagles play bully ball and you truly think we can do he same? Main example Powell and Addison have been great this year but if you don’t see their struggles going over the middle due to size. KOC isn’t the issue.

I didn't realize running a slant required unicorn players.

So weird that you can’t see player’s limitations. They must all be able to do all. No schemes needed

Addison and Powell are as physical as AJ Brown apparently. KOC has schemed around it all season and you turn on him as fast as possible.

Seriously? Running a slant is as basic as it gets. Surely you're saying KAM and KOC have failed if we have nobody on the roster that can run one.

Did you watch the game? Outside of TJ they can’t run a slant. You don’t send those two over the middle like you would a more physical WR. KOC has schemed around it since JJ was hurt.

I guess Welker and Edelman were seriously physical. Good grief. Are you saying KAM and KOC have failed?

Don't worry. When it's time to defend Kwesi's drafting prowess, he'll change his tune about those players especially Addison.

Never seen 2 guys play both sides and the middle so much as Brad and Bill.
A qb throws 4 picks and should of had five and he blames the coach. He is a 3rd string QB. Maybe it is Kirk's fault? LOL

4 picks = losing almost every time. The historical stats bear this out. You just can not turn the ball over like that and win. Dobbs is turnover machine. That was his history before he joined the team. Fun to watch sometimes but not a winning QB.

That has no bearing on the end of the game. We scored a TD in the previous 77 yard drive. We simply needed a 1st down to win the game.

It has everything to do with the end of the game. If he hadn't thrown 4 picks, then it's more likely than not that the Vikings would have had more than a 1 point lead. The game was lost by the turnovers which lead to the game ending stupidty. They failed to move the ball all night...not just at the end.

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I wonder how many of KOC’s decisions were on the right side of analytics. A couple nice fakes on 4th that did work or would have worked but also a number of - wow we’re going for it here?! Add the turtling that has lost us games and I’d bet he’s not sporting a positive grade.

Last year we came from behind or it was tied in 4th quarter(8 comeback wins). That's when his play calling was at its best.
He has proven time and time again he can't protect a lead. I want him to use Viking analytics. We lose when he plays conservative at the end of games.

Weird a rookie coach comes in and turns that team into 13-4 and this year turns a team from 1-4 to 6-4....just never seen so many bandwagon jumpers on and off in my life. He has to learn yet how not to turtle....not a fireable offense with this years team.

Not surprised Brad H showed up with a poor attempt of a political slam to boot.

I'm not for firing the guy but have some awareness.

Saints game: Just lucky that they had Jameis playing
Denver game: Big turtle
CHI game: Bigger turtle

These young guys have egos. Listen to Staley when they question him. They are not changing for anyone. Even if it means losses(I guess).

Yes, Dobbs was terrible but, with the game on the line, you can draw up a roll out(on 1st down) and tell him to either run and slide or hit a wide open player. Chicago had been in FG range 5 times before last drive so you know they can move the ball on your defense.

Bingo. The guy isn't learning a damn thing. Doesn't inspire much confidence in my opinion. Huge red flags.

I have it more like:
Chicago Game: Turtle on the last drive
Saints Game: Biggest Turtle
Denver: Turtle

He needs to adapt and quickly.

Fair enough.

An hour ago he said "KOC is not the issue"

3 weeks ago I said give Dobbs 2yrs 20M.

In isolation, the first 12 days of Dobbs is still a damn good story.