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o'connell needs to take dobbs and coach him up - teach him how to pass the ball more accurately...and he needs to develop gameplans and plays the work with dobbs's strengths....more play action and movement - dynamic....
dobbs should start in las vegas....

There simply isn't time in-season to do that, especially with the HC. Besides, do you really think a crash course in how to pass the ball more accurately is going to work for someone who has been on numerous NFL teams over quite a few years? He is what he is.
And based on listening to O'Connell's 15 minute press conference, twice, I belief he's moving in another direction.

All I can say is I hope it isn't Mullens; it would be regression as we don't have much of a running game w/o Hall and Dobbs.

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Right, like either one is worth bragging about. All the Bidden guys are now administration guys - funny how that works.

Thanks Brad, I'm sure the shit storm has made your day.

Shit storm? Three posts? I even said, take it to the politics thread.

You started it! And of course, Phil couldn't leave it alone

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And neither could you.

Right! I recognized it as a phenomenon years ago. There's no one better at it that I've ever seen

up to 8 and climbing

3 of the 8 are yours.

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o'connell needs to take dobbs and coach him up - teach him how to pass the ball more accurately...and he needs to develop gameplans and plays the work with dobbs's strengths....more play action and movement - dynamic....
dobbs should start in las vegas....

There simply isn't time in-season to do that, especially with the HC. Besides, do you really think a crash course in how to pass the ball more accurately is going to work for someone who has been on numerous NFL teams over quite a few years? He is what he is.
And based on listening to O'Connell's 15 minute press conference, twice, I belief he's moving in another direction.

This. KOC can't just magically "fix" Dobbs to be an accurate passer. Unless a Rocky like montage is a real thing. He is what he is. The gameplan stuff though, that I agree with. It's like KOC gameplanned a KC's style game and expected Dobbs to execute it. Use his strengths and don't expect to him to figure out and adapt to his weaknesses. That was horse shit from the coach.

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Just bc you’re old it doesn’t make everyone in their mid 20’s a kid.

17 and under. Period.

Not sure what’s worse people calling adults kids or their pets their son or daughter.

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If you're going to change you have to go with Hall, right?

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I would like to see Dobbs start in Vegas --- for the Raiders.

I have seen enough.

I like his quickness and mobility, but I want more of a passing game, and fewer turnovers. Not sure if we can get that from Mullens or Hall, but either one is worth a shot.

KOC couldn't adapt his system to Dobbs, and Dobbs couldn't take charge, complete accurate passes, and overcome a system that seems to be against him.

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The system that Dobbs was working outside of.

KOC realizes that isn't sustainable, that he needs to be more of a pocket passer, and the early results on that are not good.

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The system that Dobbs was working outside of.

KOC realizes that isn't sustainable, that he needs to be more of a pocket passer, and the early results on that are not good.

He made horrible throws in the pocket, when scrambling, etc. Again he just had a bad game. Denver game was less than mediocre and the Chicago game he played horrible.

Dobbs is a likeable guy but you can't sugar coat it. Also KOC has other issues to play call around if you aren't just caught up in the QB gaze.

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Cinderella story: Cousins >Hall > Dobbs > Mullens

IDGAS somebody grab this thing and run with it!

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The system that Dobbs was working outside of.

KOC realizes that isn't sustainable, that he needs to be more of a pocket passer, and the early results on that are not good.

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Strap in and get behind Mullens. He’s going to get the nod.

Let’s go on another streak that keeps Brad busy.

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o'connell needs to take dobbs and coach him up - teach him how to pass the ball more accurately...and he needs to develop gameplans and plays the work with dobbs's strengths....more play action and movement - dynamic....

dobbs should start in las vegas....

There simply isn't time in-season to do that, especially with the HC. Besides, do you really think a crash course in how to pass the ball more accurately is going to work for someone who has been on numerous NFL teams over quite a few years? He is what he is.

And based on listening to O'Connell's 15 minute press conference, twice, I belief he's moving in another direction.

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Strap in and get behind Mullens. He’s going to get the nod.

Let’s go on another streak that keeps Brad busy.

Gotta paint the fence or walk the dog after Viking wins. Busy, busy busy.

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o'connell needs to take dobbs and coach him up - teach him how to pass the ball more accurately...and he needs to develop gameplans and plays the work with dobbs's strengths....more play action and movement - dynamic....

dobbs should start in las vegas....

There simply isn't time in-season to do that, especially with the HC. Besides, do you really think a crash course in how to pass the ball more accurately is going to work for someone who has been on numerous NFL teams over quite a few years? He is what he is.

And based on listening to O'Connell's 15 minute press conference, twice, I belief he's moving in another direction.

o'connell wants to push all the blame on dobbs - everyone, and I mean everyone, believes that o'connell called/head coached a horrific game...four interceptions, yes, but three were tipped, and dobbs didn't look at all comfortable trying to fulfill o'connell's demands - that he become a stationary pocket passer....

i want dobbs, i'm rooting for dobbs....

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Flores would have the killer instinct, he would just stare at the offensive coordinator, and the right plays would get called to ice the game.

Dungy - Tomlin - Don't let Flores be the next one to get away.

Is the 3 man rush “killer instinct”?

It also seems like teams are adjusting to him and learning to use his aggression against him. We’ve seen it two weeks in a row where a bad offensive team has been able to drive at will to get a score when needed.

They've given up one TD the last two weeks, with the opponent often having pretty good field position. If that's teams adjusting, I'll take it.

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Strap in and get behind Mullens. He’s going to get the nod.

Let’s go on another streak that keeps Brad busy.

Gotta paint the fence or walk the dog after Viking wins. Busy, busy busy.

I'm in here defending the guy. I'm not criticizing anyone after the loss, outside of the morons that now want to replace the quarterback they said was the answer two weeks ago.

All of you folks are such bandwagon jumpers. One bad game and its time to change everything from top-to-bottom. You people crack me up.

Given the kids first two performances, I don't think it's too much to ask to see what he can do with Jefferson on the field.

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Flores would have the killer instinct, he would just stare at the offensive coordinator, and the right plays would get called to ice the game.

Dungy - Tomlin - Don't let Flores be the next one to get away.

Is the 3 man rush “killer instinct”?

It also seems like teams are adjusting to him and learning to use his aggression against him. We’ve seen it two weeks in a row where a bad offensive team has been able to drive at will to get a score when needed.

They've given up one TD the last two weeks, with the opponent often having pretty good field position. If that's teams adjusting, I'll take it.

Defensive stats are great.

Giving up easy game winning scores isn’t.

I’m not saying to can him. And maybe a big part of the problem is lack of talent. But he’s been badly outcoached down the stretch the last 2 weeks. And not to good offenses.