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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2023 8:34:12 AM   
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We can’t know but I’d love to know if KOC calls the same plays in the same situation if Cousins is the QB.

I don’t want my coach to have to learn to not cling to a one point lead when you force a TO in n the other teams side of the field.

Boot, roll out, if a 5 yarder is open take it, if the scramble is there take it, if you get sacked, oh well, not much different than 0,1, -1
One can be aggressively safe (my oxymoron of the day)
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2023 8:45:54 AM   
Todd M

 

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Status: online 		Or an end around with Addison. Stretch play with Nwangu.

Anything would have better than the turtle plays we got.

It’s going to be really hard for me getting over the HC losing games.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2023 8:55:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		No matter what KC may be thinking, I believe he will stick with Dobbs. Team's six and six and is hanging onto a playoff spot right now. They're not bringing in an outsider. Mannion is (thankfully) gone. So that leaves Dobbs, Mullens, Hall. Mullens knows the offense but he's never taken a snap with this offense in a real game and no matter what the evaluation is on Dobbs, Mullens is mid level backup period. Does KC want to trust him to win out or almost win out to get us to the playoffs? Maybe not. Now we have Hall. 5th rounder. Showed promise, real promise I think. But in the grand scheme of things has less than 2 drives to be evaluated on. Is that enough to hand over the reigns? With the playoffs in the balance? Does KC want to role them bones right now? Perhaps. He's getting paid to make those hard decisions. Now we look at Dobbs. Been here and running things for 4 games. Not a lot. Won 2 lost 2. Both losses breath takingly close. Losses in which he bears his fair share of the blame but not all of it I think. His play has been uneven. He's had to learn on the fly and he has had to adapt. But the players seem to like him and there is just something about him that makes you think something amazing is about to happen. KC just needs to gameplan to his strengths. Given all this, Its my guess that we saddle up Josh and we ride him till we're done

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2023 9:08:11 AM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2023 9:47:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Dobbs tried.. IMO he tried to keep looking for throws in a collapsing backfield.. he never really had a clean pocket..

His throws were off target, a lot.. throwing on the run is not his strong suit, unless it’s a designed roll out right.

Chicago took that away, Chicago out schemed on defense, the game plan that KOC drew up.

At home the ball should have been flying down the field to Addison , Powell, KJ and TJ , 70% of the time, but our OL could absolutely not pick up stunts on pass rush or blitz.

Both running backs sucked at protection pickup.

Dobbs flat out held the ball too long.

Most of his picks and even the near picks should have been throws out of bounds and regroup, plays, but he tried too hard to make something out of nothing.

Weeks 1-2, he was winging it at read one or two, then running like a punt return guy on broken field plays.

Three weeks of KOC and KFC “ QB whispering”, turned him into Josh freaking Freeman.

Now he is overthinking every play, “ running what is called “ like a drone on auto pilot, and not taking what he can get.

Just sitting on my recliner, I could see him miss open receivers underneath where he actually could have made positive yards, while trying to force the ball into real,t tight coverage or into plays wher the defense was “ baiting him” to make a throw to TJ or Addison.

That’s a combination of lousy coaching, game prep, and situational awareness.

IMO, based entirely on serious Bias, is the KOC and KFC have “QB film room” destroyed Dobbs natural abi,it’s to play intelligent football..

No coach or “ assistant QB “ coach likes a guy who is smarter than they are.

I’m just venting..

My point is that KOC has lost his shine because he has Bb’s for balls and lets teams hang around.


The Mettelus turnover should have sealed the deal..

Three gutless plays and a shitty punt later, I called game over.

No guts no glory..
no balls no babies

Eberfluse schooled O’Connell on playcalling, use of a mobile QB, and being clutch in the closing moments of the game.


O’Connell is a bigger problem, right now.

JMO.

< Message edited by Daniel Lee Young -- 11/30/2023 9:48:51 AM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2023 10:13:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Dobbs tried.. IMO he tried to keep looking for throws in a collapsing backfield.. he never really had a clean pocket..

His throws were off target, a lot.. throwing on the run is not his strong suit, unless it’s a designed roll out right.

Chicago took that away, Chicago out schemed on defense, the game plan that KOC drew up.

At home the ball should have been flying down the field to Addison , Powell, KJ and TJ , 70% of the time, but our OL could absolutely not pick up stunts on pass rush or blitz.

Both running backs sucked at protection pickup.

Dobbs flat out held the ball too long.

Most of his picks and even the near picks should have been throws out of bounds and regroup, plays, but he tried too hard to make something out of nothing.

Weeks 1-2, he was winging it at read one or two, then running like a punt return guy on broken field plays.

Three weeks of KOC and KFC “ QB whispering”, turned him into Josh freaking Freeman.

Now he is overthinking every play, “ running what is called “ like a drone on auto pilot, and not taking what he can get.

Just sitting on my recliner, I could see him miss open receivers underneath where he actually could have made positive yards, while trying to force the ball into real,t tight coverage or into plays wher the defense was “ baiting him” to make a throw to TJ or Addison.

That’s a combination of lousy coaching, game prep, and situational awareness.

IMO, based entirely on serious Bias, is the KOC and KFC have “QB film room” destroyed Dobbs natural abi,it’s to play intelligent football..

No coach or “ assistant QB “ coach likes a guy who is smarter than they are.

I’m just venting..

My point is that KOC has lost his shine because he has Bb’s for balls and lets teams hang around.


The Mettelus turnover should have sealed the deal..

Three gutless plays and a shitty punt later, I called game over.

No guts no glory..
no balls no babies

Eberfluse schooled O’Connell on playcalling, use of a mobile QB, and being clutch in the closing moments of the game.


O’Connell is a bigger problem, right now.

JMO.



everyone but o'connell knew that the game was over after the punt....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2023 10:59:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Dobbs tried.. IMO he tried to keep looking for throws in a collapsing backfield.. he never really had a clean pocket..

His throws were off target, a lot.. throwing on the run is not his strong suit, unless it’s a designed roll out right.

Chicago took that away, Chicago out schemed on defense, the game plan that KOC drew up.

At home the ball should have been flying down the field to Addison , Powell, KJ and TJ , 70% of the time, but our OL could absolutely not pick up stunts on pass rush or blitz.

Both running backs sucked at protection pickup.

Dobbs flat out held the ball too long.

Most of his picks and even the near picks should have been throws out of bounds and regroup, plays, but he tried too hard to make something out of nothing.

Weeks 1-2, he was winging it at read one or two, then running like a punt return guy on broken field plays.

Three weeks of KOC and KFC “ QB whispering”, turned him into Josh freaking Freeman.

Now he is overthinking every play, “ running what is called “ like a drone on auto pilot, and not taking what he can get.

Just sitting on my recliner, I could see him miss open receivers underneath where he actually could have made positive yards, while trying to force the ball into real,t tight coverage or into plays wher the defense was “ baiting him” to make a throw to TJ or Addison.

That’s a combination of lousy coaching, game prep, and situational awareness.

IMO, based entirely on serious Bias, is the KOC and KFC have “QB film room” destroyed Dobbs natural abi,it’s to play intelligent football..

No coach or “ assistant QB “ coach likes a guy who is smarter than they are.

I’m just venting..

My point is that KOC has lost his shine because he has Bb’s for balls and lets teams hang around.


The Mettelus turnover should have sealed the deal..

Three gutless plays and a shitty punt later, I called game over.

No guts no glory..
no balls no babies

Eberfluse schooled O’Connell on playcalling, use of a mobile QB, and being clutch in the closing moments of the game.


O’Connell is a bigger problem, right now.

JMO.



everyone but o'connell knew that the game was over after the punt....

Yup. And if he doesn't start suiting the game plan to the players strengths he won't last long. That and shrinking with the game on the line are problematic currently.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2023 11:20:43 AM   
Ricky J


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Status: offline 		O'Connell ain't stupid. He's a pup. Im not close to counting him out - and what for, another young inexperienced coordinator thatll have to take his lumps, too, a recycled ... stop, f that!

I'm as bummed as anyone we went 0, 1, -1, p ... let's give him a chance to rebound - seriously, what choice do we have? Let it Ride!
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2023 11:23:48 AM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2023 11:59:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		I would be ok with Dobbs if he just did one thing. Please do not throw ball away when someone is hitting you. Stop doing those desperation throws to avoid a sack. That would have prevented so many problems. Again, he is a very smart guy but he keeps doing this again and again. This was an issue for Dobbs even before he got to Minnesota.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2023 12:05:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am excited to see ANY of the 3 QBs play with JJ and Addison.

The Vikings being undefeated without JJ had more to do with the improvements on defense with Flores, than it did with the absence of JJ.

JJ coming back 2 games sooner, could have meant a 7 game winning stretch, instead of 5-2.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2023 12:48:28 PM   
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I would be ok with Dobbs if he just did one thing. Please do not throw ball away when someone is hitting you. Stop doing those desperation throws to avoid a sack. That would have prevented so many problems. Again, he is a very smart guy but he keeps doing this again and again. This was an issue for Dobbs even before he got to Minnesota.


Dobbs has accuracy issues too...

He consistently puts the ball behind the receiver (4th down to Hock would have been a 1st down if he leads him)
He is consistently late as well (which might be understandable as he was thrown into the offesnse)

He is a great guy to carry you for a couple games because of his athletisism... but as a starter we are seeing he is easy to defend.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2023 1:20:47 PM   
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Harry telling like it is: https://x.com/vikingsnationmn/status/1729664172604973521?s=20



wow, love that guy...eye black dripping down his face on both sides, hair all over the place - looked like alice cooper in the '70s...all he says is - 'i gotta make a play, I gotta make a play - i'd like to play it again, to be honest'....

that's a guy that takes responsibility for what happened, no matter what it is....







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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2023 1:22:44 PM   
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I would be ok with Dobbs if he just did one thing. Please do not throw ball away when someone is hitting you. Stop doing those desperation throws to avoid a sack. That would have prevented so many problems. Again, he is a very smart guy but he keeps doing this again and again. This was an issue for Dobbs even before he got to Minnesota.



we've seen cousins do that too many times already, and he'd do it again, too....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2023 1:26:34 PM   
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Harry telling like it is: https://x.com/vikingsnationmn/status/1729664172604973521?s=20


It has to be a frustrating feeling to have your age diminish how dominant you once were...
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2023 1:55:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Harry telling like it is: https://x.com/vikingsnationmn/status/1729664172604973521?s=20


It has to be a frustrating feeling to have your age diminish how dominant you once were...

After watching it i said to a family member, " i wish he was 10 years younger."

The comment i identified with most was re the question of whether the break is coming at a good time.
His response: "id rather play"
Yup. This loss hurts too much. Id want to get it right, too
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2023 3:35:05 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2023 4:14:39 PM   
Ricky J


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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2023 6:29:31 PM   
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"So ... my six favorite grabs and then the other 354 thrown by Cousins." (JJ interpreted by Tom Sykes)
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2023 6:36:09 PM   
Tom Sykes

 

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Harry telling like it is: https://x.com/vikingsnationmn/status/1729664172604973521?s=20

Nice one.

Kinda throws a few murderous looks at the obviousness of the questions ... like, put on a uniform and then ask me that question and you'll get my honest response.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2023 6:52:53 PM   
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Even after the CHI game, the highly touted NFL QB POWER INDEX at nfl.com has Dobbs ranked #19

Yes there's 10 INTs and 14 fumbles (!)

but shewt ... he still outranks Fields, Will Levis, Bryce Young and others.

More incontrovertible proof why we shouldn't waste picks trading up higher for risky QB prospects. NOT!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2023 8:49:08 PM   
Ricky J


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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2023 9:51:17 PM   
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The pre 2023 NFL season hype machine, especially on Twitter, trying to get people to buy in to the greatness of JFields was something else. I don't know if I've ever seen anything like it before.


I know which coach used their “shitty” QB better, in the final minutes of a game, and it’s an embarrassment.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/30/2023 10:22:19 PM   
Daniel Lee Young

 

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Status: offline 		It’s just insane watching competent head coaches on Thursday night football just running an offense up and down the field, 5 and ten yard chunks are way more common than the 1-2 yard crap we put up with..

KOC has a fn trans continent education train to catch as far as utilization of personnel and calling plays..

It’s unreal, the difference a real coach makes.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/1/2023 8:52:21 AM   
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6 MN
7 Sea
8 GB

MN: lv, cinn, DET, GB, det

Sea: sf, PHI, tn, PITT, az

GB: KC, nyg, TB, car, mn, CHI
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