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No need to move up that far.

Agree. Not "my list" but the general consensus is that these are the guys that can go in the first:

Williams
May
Nix
Penix
McCarthy
Ewers
Daniels


I don't think Sanders is coming out so left him off. Haven't seen much of Daniels to comment but he has great stats. Everyone else, I've watched a good bit of. I would say hell no to Nix, Ewers and McCarthy for various reasons. Penix is my favorite guy but the injury history scares me a bit.

Williams
Maye
Daniels
McCarthy
Nix
Penix
Ewers

That's my order right now. I've see Penix a few times lately. Not sure about the side arm delivery.

McCarthy has a cannon. Underrated because Michigan doesn't pass much.

McCarthy is underrated. His progression over the last two years is pretty remarkable. He's very athletic and fast, and he's Pro-ready. Best QB in the nation on play action, and arguably the best passer in the nation outside of the pocket. His size could be an issue in the NFL. He's on the short side of 6'3"

I wouldn't be shocked though if he decided to stay in Ann Arbor.

McCarthy last 4 games he's averaging 124 yards passing and has a grand total of 1 td pass. I say no thanks.

Don't be fooled. Michigan has given up a handful of TD's the entire season. They play from the lead and run it down your throat. No need to sling it. I'm saying don't let the box scores fool you, McCarthy is the real deal. If he comes out, I wouldn't be surprised if he has the best NFL career of this QB draft class.

On the other hand, Caleb Williams has averaged 322 yards passing per game over the last five. They won one of those games.

Do you think McCarthy should pass more to pad his stats, or just lead his team to continuous victories?

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Just as many people would be angry as not if the Unsportsman like on Mahomes is called or nor called.

I liked the call bc there was no reason to hit him ... and of course I had a few bucks on the Chiefs

Doesn't look to me like GB sucks any more. Tough thing to say

No reason to hit him? He was in bounds and going for a first down. I guess there's no reason to hit anyone.

Real close either way. But every player and coach in the league knows the NFL goes out of its way to protect QBs. It's the most important position in team sports. So go ahead and deliver the big hit on the sideline... at your peril.

And the qb can also tip toe the sidelines trying to squeeze as much yardage out of it at his own peril.

By peril I meant at the risk of getting a 15 yard penalty.

And in this case the QB was not tip toeing the sidelines. But I see your point because on that play the first down marker was key. Could the defender get there is time? And with the angle of the run, the defender was going to have to deliver a hit (as opposed to just a push or whatever).

So I agree with you, but also not surprised it was flagged.

Agreed. You can't help it if the refs call silly stuff. But also let's not pretend the Chiefs got all the calls. That last play looked like a bad push in the back even by hail Mary standards.

I'm not pretending anything re who got the calls. But am saying whenever a QB, especially Pat Mahomes, is basically at the sidelines and he is hit hard, then there is a good chance a flag will come flying.

The Hail Mary's are a free for all, always have been.

The rules and officiating can't, and shouldn't, try to fix that.

Imagine just always getting the defensive PI on hail mary's. That would suck.

Also, nobody says shit about possible offensive PI on those plays. Let 'em Play.

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No need to move up that far.

Agree. Not "my list" but the general consensus is that these are the guys that can go in the first:

Williams
May
Nix
Penix
McCarthy
Ewers
Daniels


I don't think Sanders is coming out so left him off. Haven't seen much of Daniels to comment but he has great stats. Everyone else, I've watched a good bit of. I would say hell no to Nix, Ewers and McCarthy for various reasons. Penix is my favorite guy but the injury history scares me a bit.

Williams
Maye
Daniels
McCarthy
Nix
Penix
Ewers

That's my order right now. I've see Penix a few times lately. Not sure about the side arm delivery.

McCarthy has a cannon. Underrated because Michigan doesn't pass much.

McCarthy is underrated. His progression over the last two years is pretty remarkable. He's very athletic and fast, and he's Pro-ready. Best QB in the nation on play action, and arguably the best passer in the nation outside of the pocket. His size could be an issue in the NFL. He's on the short side of 6'3"

I wouldn't be shocked though if he decided to stay in Ann Arbor.

McCarthy last 4 games he's averaging 124 yards passing and has a grand total of 1 td pass. I say no thanks.

Don't be fooled. Michigan has given up a handful of TD's the entire season. They play from the lead and run it down your throat. No need to sling it. I'm saying don't let the box scores fool you, McCarthy is the real deal. If he comes out, I wouldn't be surprised if he has the best NFL career of this QB draft class.

On the other hand, Caleb Williams has averaged 322 yards passing per game over the last five. They won one of those games.

Do you think McCarthy should pass more to pad his stats, or just lead his team to continuous victories?

Given that it's a passing league, I'll take the guy that plays in a passing offense. I like McCarthy, but I'd take any one of 3-4 guys in the Pac 12 over him.

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Former Vike Jake Browning balling out tonight..

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Former Vike Jake Browning balling out tonight..

He's an ERFA after the season. Too lazy to look up the meaning of ERFA but if it involves forking over draft picks to sign him we're all in. That is the Vikings way.

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Former Vike Jake Browning balling out tonight..

He's an ERFA after the season. Too lazy to look up the meaning of ERFA but if it involves forking over draft picks to sign him we're all in. That is the Vikings way.

Exclusive rights.

Pass on him. We saw his weak arm up close. Great game last night but shouldn't be the norm.

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Former Vike Jake Browning balling out tonight..

He's an ERFA after the season. Too lazy to look up the meaning of ERFA but if it involves forking over draft picks to sign him we're all in. That is the Vikings way.

Exclusive rights.

Pass on him. We saw his weak arm up close. Great game last night but shouldn't be the norm.

Scott Mitchell parlayed a few games in relief of Dan Marino into a big contract at the time, courted by several teams, one of which was the Vikings, but he landed with the Lions and proceeded to suck more than a hoover vacuum for the next few years. Do not take a couple of games and make a long term decision that will screw you for years. Pass indeed. If we were to do that we should give Joshua Dobbs a big contract...

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Former Vike Jake Browning balling out tonight..

He's an ERFA after the season. Too lazy to look up the meaning of ERFA but if it involves forking over draft picks to sign him we're all in. That is the Vikings way.

Exclusive rights.

Pass on him. We saw his weak arm up close. Great game last night but shouldn't be the norm.

Scott Mitchell parlayed a few games in relief of Dan Marino into a big contract at the time, courted by several teams, one of which was the Vikings, but he landed with the Lions and proceeded to suck more than a hoover vacuum for the next few years. Do not take a couple of games and make a long term decision that will screw you for years. Pass indeed. If we were to do that we should give Joshua Dobbs a big contract...

So you cherry-picked the decades-old literal poster boy for that big warning?

Relax folks.

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And the 2024 Viking starter in game 1 is .....

- Hall? less than 50%

- Dobbs? gotta finish pretty strong the last 5

- rookie? hmmm

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And the 2024 Viking starter in game 1 is .....

- Hall? less than 50%

- Dobbs? gotta finish pretty strong the last 5

- rookie? hmmm

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You forgot everyone's fravorite...

Cousins....

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To me, at least, there are a couple obvious answers given what we know:

Dobbs will not be a starter. Sure, he pulled a couple out of his ass but his overall play was pretty wild. We all wrote it up to "just got here". I doubt KOC will allow that long term and that's been his career MO.

Hall isn't that guy. He was drafter to be a long term question/answer to backup.

KC's. This is where it gets dicey. We know the team loves him (even if the collective fanbase doesn't). What is he going to ask for to come back? To me this is the biggest question. I can totally see them giving him a 2 year extension at about 25 a year as our bridge. Will he be willing to accept????

Draft a guy high and let him sit behind KC's assuming he accepts the offer.

Where I have no idea what they do is if KC's asks for the moon and they say 'no'. He won't have much of a market IMO. His biggest feather in his cap was SF and they are probably not interested anymore.

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It's a great question. No idea. I 'guess' the good thing is that he won't need a lot of reps and already knows the system.

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And the 2024 Viking starter in game 1 is .....

- Hall? less than 50%

- Dobbs? gotta finish pretty strong the last 5

- rookie? hmmm

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You forgot everyone's fravorite...

Cousins....

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It's a great question. No idea. I 'guess' the good thing is that he won't need a lot of reps and already knows the system.

I wonder if Cousins did the same type of surgery as Rodgers.

Hopefully Rodgers' surgery works. To put recovery at 4 months instead of 12 months would be a great medical breakthrough.

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It's a great question. No idea. I 'guess' the good thing is that he won't need a lot of reps and already knows the system.

I wonder if Cousins did the same type of surgery as Rodgers.

Hopefully Rodgers' surgery works. To put recovery at 4 months instead of 12 months would be a great medical breakthrough.

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And the 2024 Viking starter in game 1 is .....

- Hall? less than 50%

- Dobbs? gotta finish pretty strong the last 5

- rookie? hmmm

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You forgot everyone's fravorite...

Cousins....

not really ;)

What percent would you give KC?

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If Cousins wants to win a SB his best chance has to be here in MN.

How bad does he want win one?

If I had more money than God I'd take a heck of a cut to stay put - which is easy to say sitting at home in my easy chair.

I'm as interested as anyone what he'll have to have to sign in MN