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ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

I'll give you this. If the Bears go on to win three SBs with a strong influence from the Carolina trade, I'll jump to your side of the argument.

I've no idea if they will win three SB's...nobody does. But, they've done an excellent job of putting themselves in position to substantially improve. They already have Fields, they have Carolina's No. 1 pick, their own first round pick and more cap space than almost every team in the league.

I've no idea if the Vikings will win three SB's nobody does. But, they've done a very poor job of putting themselves in position to substantially improve. They have no QB on the roster for next year, they will pick in the teens and will need to be lucky to have a QB drop to them (i.e., no plan) and they have less cap space than almost every team in the league.

As of today, Poles > Kwesi.

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

I'll give you this. If the Bears go on to win three SBs with a strong influence from the Carolina trade, I'll jump to your side of the argument.

I've no idea if they will win three SB's...nobody does. But, they've done an excellent job of putting themselves in position to substantially improve. They already have Fields, they have Carolina's No. 1 pick, their own first round pick and more cap space than almost every team in the league.

I've no idea if the Vikings will win three SB's nobody does. But, they've done a very poor job of putting themselves in position to substantially improve. They have no QB on the roster for next year, they will pick in the teens and will need to be lucky to have a QB drop to them (i.e., no plan) and they have less cap space than almost every team in the league.

As of today, Poles > Kwesi.

Devils advocate... which team has blown things up and reaped a superbowl in the aftermath?

Seems like recent superbowl winners have done it by being continuously competitive and hitting on putting the right pieces together AND getting some luck.
(starting with a stud QB)

Vikes have never gotten the luck part... for sure... ever.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

I'll give you this. If the Bears go on to win three SBs with a strong influence from the Carolina trade, I'll jump to your side of the argument.

I've no idea if they will win three SB's...nobody does. But, they've done an excellent job of putting themselves in position to substantially improve. They already have Fields, they have Carolina's No. 1 pick, their own first round pick and more cap space than almost every team in the league.

I've no idea if the Vikings will win three SB's nobody does. But, they've done a very poor job of putting themselves in position to substantially improve. They have no QB on the roster for next year, they will pick in the teens and will need to be lucky to have a QB drop to them (i.e., no plan) and they have less cap space than almost every team in the league.

As of today, Poles > Kwesi.

Devils advocate... which team has blown things up and reaped a superbowl in the aftermath?

Seems like recent superbowl winners have done it by being continuously competitive and hitting on putting the right pieces together AND getting some luck.
(starting with a stud QB)

Vikes have never gotten the luck part... for sure... ever.

Brady and Mahomes skew any analysis of recent Super Bowl winner trends. They won so damn many of them it left so few for anyone else.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

I'll give you this. If the Bears go on to win three SBs with a strong influence from the Carolina trade, I'll jump to your side of the argument.

I've no idea if they will win three SB's...nobody does. But, they've done an excellent job of putting themselves in position to substantially improve. They already have Fields, they have Carolina's No. 1 pick, their own first round pick and more cap space than almost every team in the league.

I've no idea if the Vikings will win three SB's nobody does. But, they've done a very poor job of putting themselves in position to substantially improve. They have no QB on the roster for next year, they will pick in the teens and will need to be lucky to have a QB drop to them (i.e., no plan) and they have less cap space than almost every team in the league.

As of today, Poles > Kwesi.

Devils advocate... which team has blown things up and reaped a superbowl in the aftermath?

Seems like recent superbowl winners have done it by being continuously competitive and hitting on putting the right pieces together AND getting some luck.
(starting with a stud QB)

Vikes have never gotten the luck part... for sure... ever.

Brady and Mahomes skew any analysis of recent Super Bowl winner trends. They won so damn many of them it left so few for anyone else.

Mahomes has only won 2

The same number as Eli Manning. and Peyton Manning. More than Drew Brees. and Aaron Rodgers and Brett Favre.



Brady won 7 of course.

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

I'll give you this. If the Bears go on to win three SBs with a strong influence from the Carolina trade, I'll jump to your side of the argument.

I've no idea if they will win three SB's...nobody does. But, they've done an excellent job of putting themselves in position to substantially improve. They already have Fields, they have Carolina's No. 1 pick, their own first round pick and more cap space than almost every team in the league.

I've no idea if the Vikings will win three SB's nobody does. But, they've done a very poor job of putting themselves in position to substantially improve. They have no QB on the roster for next year, they will pick in the teens and will need to be lucky to have a QB drop to them (i.e., no plan) and they have less cap space than almost every team in the league.

As of today, Poles > Kwesi.

Devils advocate... which team has blown things up and reaped a superbowl in the aftermath?

Seems like recent superbowl winners have done it by being continuously competitive and hitting on putting the right pieces together AND getting some luck.
(starting with a stud QB)

Vikes have never gotten the luck part... for sure... ever.

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Myself and others have said burn it down or tear it down to the studs but I think the general thought would be to clear some bloated contracts, get cap healthy, find a rookie QB that can be your franchise QB. IOW stop what we’ve been doing which is floating in and around the middle.

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ORIGINAL: Pauldiercks1

The Vikings have gotten the luck part many times. They have not gotten the bottom out and rebuild part almost never.

The Vikings were possibly the luckiest team in history last year.
Randy Moss was lucky Cris Carter was lucky. Adrain peterson was lucky. They had many fortunate players fall in their lap.

Luck is made more often than not.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

I'll give you this. If the Bears go on to win three SBs with a strong influence from the Carolina trade, I'll jump to your side of the argument.

I've no idea if they will win three SB's...nobody does. But, they've done an excellent job of putting themselves in position to substantially improve. They already have Fields, they have Carolina's No. 1 pick, their own first round pick and more cap space than almost every team in the league.

I've no idea if the Vikings will win three SB's nobody does. But, they've done a very poor job of putting themselves in position to substantially improve. They have no QB on the roster for next year, they will pick in the teens and will need to be lucky to have a QB drop to them (i.e., no plan) and they have less cap space than almost every team in the league.

As of today, Poles > Kwesi.

Devils advocate... which team has blown things up and reaped a superbowl in the aftermath?

Seems like recent superbowl winners have done it by being continuously competitive and hitting on putting the right pieces together AND getting some luck.
(starting with a stud QB)

Vikes have never gotten the luck part... for sure... ever.

Brady and Mahomes skew any analysis of recent Super Bowl winner trends. They won so damn many of them it left so few for anyone else.

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ORIGINAL: Pauldiercks1

The Vikings have gotten the luck part many times. They have not gotten the bottom out and rebuild part almost never.

The Vikings were possibly the luckiest team in history last year.
Randy Moss was lucky Cris Carter was lucky. Adrain peterson was lucky. They had many fortunate players fall in their lap.

Luck is made more often than not.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: beo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

I'll give you this. If the Bears go on to win three SBs with a strong influence from the Carolina trade, I'll jump to your side of the argument.

I've no idea if they will win three SB's...nobody does. But, they've done an excellent job of putting themselves in position to substantially improve. They already have Fields, they have Carolina's No. 1 pick, their own first round pick and more cap space than almost every team in the league.

I've no idea if the Vikings will win three SB's nobody does. But, they've done a very poor job of putting themselves in position to substantially improve. They have no QB on the roster for next year, they will pick in the teens and will need to be lucky to have a QB drop to them (i.e., no plan) and they have less cap space than almost every team in the league.

As of today, Poles > Kwesi.

Devils advocate... which team has blown things up and reaped a superbowl in the aftermath?

Seems like recent superbowl winners have done it by being continuously competitive and hitting on putting the right pieces together AND getting some luck.
(starting with a stud QB)

Vikes have never gotten the luck part... for sure... ever.

Brady and Mahomes skew any analysis of recent Super Bowl winner trends. They won so damn many of them it left so few for anyone else.

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

quote:

ORIGINAL: David F.

quote:

ORIGINAL: beo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

I'll give you this. If the Bears go on to win three SBs with a strong influence from the Carolina trade, I'll jump to your side of the argument.

I've no idea if they will win three SB's...nobody does. But, they've done an excellent job of putting themselves in position to substantially improve. They already have Fields, they have Carolina's No. 1 pick, their own first round pick and more cap space than almost every team in the league.

I've no idea if the Vikings will win three SB's nobody does. But, they've done a very poor job of putting themselves in position to substantially improve. They have no QB on the roster for next year, they will pick in the teens and will need to be lucky to have a QB drop to them (i.e., no plan) and they have less cap space than almost every team in the league.

As of today, Poles > Kwesi.

Devils advocate... which team has blown things up and reaped a superbowl in the aftermath?

Seems like recent superbowl winners have done it by being continuously competitive and hitting on putting the right pieces together AND getting some luck.
(starting with a stud QB)

Vikes have never gotten the luck part... for sure... ever.

Brady and Mahomes skew any analysis of recent Super Bowl winner trends. They won so damn many of them it left so few for anyone else.

Mahomes has only won 2

The same number as Eli Manning. and Peyton Manning. More than Drew Brees. and Aaron Rodgers and Brett Favre.



Brady won 7 of course.

"Recent".

Brady and Mahomes have won 4 of the last 5.

5 years is almost an era in the NFL these days...

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Pauldiercks1

The Vikings have gotten the luck part many times. They have not gotten the bottom out and rebuild part almost never.

The Vikings were possibly the luckiest team in history last year.
Randy Moss was lucky Cris Carter was lucky. Adrain peterson was lucky. They had many fortunate players fall in their lap.

Luck is made more often than not.

We did well when the USFL disbanded. AC, Millard

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Myself and others have said burn it down or tear it down to the studs but I think the general thought would be to clear some bloated contracts, get cap healthy, find a rookie QB that can be your franchise QB. IOW stop what we’ve been doing which is floating in and around the middle.

I'm a broken record but keep offense in tact for rookie QB and skimp on defense.

2024
Penix
Chandler, Mattison, McBride, late round rookie
JJ, Addison, Powell, Nailor, late round rookie
Hock, Oliver, Muse, UDFA rookie

Darrisaw, Risner, Bradbury or middle round rookie, Ingram, Quessenbury

Don't resign Cousins, Hunter, Hicks, Osborn, Ham,

Cut or trade: HSmith, O'Neill, possibly Mattison,

2025: Start rebuilding defense

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

The 1983 draft had 12 rounds. Miami finally drafted AC in the second to last pick of the draft (334).

I would have used, oohhh, an 11th round pick on him even knowing he was headed to the USFL. But we did take Browner in the 1st round.

AC might not be in the NFL HoF, but with his dominance at Michigan, the USFL, and the NFL, he deserves a first ballot in a hypothetical "Football Hall of Fame".

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

The 1983 draft had 12 rounds. Miami finally drafted AC in the second to last pick of the draft (334).

I would have used, oohhh, an 11th round pick on him even knowing he was headed to the USFL. But we did take Browner in the 1st round.

AC might not be in the NFL HoF, but with his dominance at Michigan, the USFL, and the NFL, he deserves a first ballot in a hypothetical "Football Hall of Fame".

AC, Millard contributed heavily to one of the purest moments of joy in my life as a fan … watching Montana get benched in a playoff game. Not quite but almost as satisfying as winning that game.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

I'll give you this. If the Bears go on to win three SBs with a strong influence from the Carolina trade, I'll jump to your side of the argument.

I've no idea if they will win three SB's...nobody does. But, they've done an excellent job of putting themselves in position to substantially improve. They already have Fields, they have Carolina's No. 1 pick, their own first round pick and more cap space than almost every team in the league.

I've no idea if the Vikings will win three SB's nobody does. But, they've done a very poor job of putting themselves in position to substantially improve. They have no QB on the roster for next year, they will pick in the teens and will need to be lucky to have a QB drop to them (i.e., no plan) and they have less cap space than almost every team in the league.

As of today, Poles > Kwesi.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Pauldiercks1

The Vikings have gotten the luck part many times. They have not gotten the bottom out and rebuild part almost never.

The Vikings were possibly the luckiest team in history last year.
Randy Moss was lucky Cris Carter was lucky. Adrain peterson was lucky. They had many fortunate players fall in their lap.

Luck is made more often than not.

We did well when the USFL disbanded. AC, Millard

Zimmerman. Hall of Fame.

Had to read up on the rest. Interesting, as things were not clean cut, i.e. there was some wheeling and dealing for Zim and AC, and we had already drafted Millard in the normal draft at #13 overall.

After the USFL folded in August 1986, Zimmerman joined the Minnesota Vikings after they obtained his rights from the New York Giants who drafted him in the 1984 NFL Supplemental Draft of USFL and CFL Players.

Keith Millard was drafted by the Vikings based on a recommendation from their scout Don Deisch in the first round of the 1984 NFL Draft and played one season in the USFL.

After the 1985 USFL season, Carter signed with the NFL's Miami Dolphins, who drafted Carter back in 1983 in order to secure his NFL rights. However, he was traded to the Minnesota Vikings before playing a game with the team. More: the Dolphins drafted him 334th. After he left the USFL, he signed with the Dolphins in the summer of 1985. However, the Dolphins traded him to the Minnesota Vikings for linebacker Robin Sendlein and a second-round draft selection.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

The 1983 draft had 12 rounds. Miami finally drafted AC in the second to last pick of the draft (334).

I would have used, oohhh, an 11th round pick on him even knowing he was headed to the USFL. But we did take Browner in the 1st round.

AC might not be in the NFL HoF, but with his dominance at Michigan, the USFL, and the NFL, he deserves a first ballot in a hypothetical "Football Hall of Fame".

AC, Millard contributed heavily to one of the purest moments of joy in my life as a fan … watching Montana get benched in a playoff game. Not quite but almost as satisfying as winning that game.

Shot the shit with Montana in a bar when he had just become a star player. Eventually he went back to his table to join Dwight Clark and Fred Dean. Dean had a woman cuddled up next to him... on both sides.

Montana is the anti-Cousins.

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

I'll give you this. If the Bears go on to win three SBs with a strong influence from the Carolina trade, I'll jump to your side of the argument.

I've no idea if they will win three SB's...nobody does. But, they've done an excellent job of putting themselves in position to substantially improve. They already have Fields, they have Carolina's No. 1 pick, their own first round pick and more cap space than almost every team in the league.

I've no idea if the Vikings will win three SB's nobody does. But, they've done a very poor job of putting themselves in position to substantially improve. They have no QB on the roster for next year, they will pick in the teens and will need to be lucky to have a QB drop to them (i.e., no plan) and they have less cap space than almost every team in the league.

As of today, Poles > Kwesi.

Devils advocate... which team has blown things up and reaped a superbowl in the aftermath?

Seems like recent superbowl winners have done it by being continuously competitive and hitting on putting the right pieces together AND getting some luck.
(starting with a stud QB)

Vikes have never gotten the luck part... for sure... ever.