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But Belichick's pre-Brady and post-Brady records clearly suggest the GOAT was the key to the sustained success,

Pretty hard to argue otherwise...

BB is a hands-down hall of famer, regardless.

Belichick, who I dislike immensely, was both HC and GM for all those SBs ... so gets credit for putting together the teams ... offenses, defenses, STs that Brady powered to all those SBs.

Its hard to take anything away from either jerk.

I suppose that is true...

However, I just feel like Bills ability to get the absolute most out of marginal talent was so good he could mask how bad his high draft picks were.

He had his 3wr(Troy Brown) playing cb at a higher level than most of the Vikings draft picks in the last decade.

If he could have hit on 1st rounders at all the dynasty might still be going.

Well thank you. I try, but some posters that are beyond hope will be waived shortly.

Better to get rid of a poster a year too early rather than a year too late... lol

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People forget how masterful Belichick was at game-planning and adjustments to keep the opponent off balance. Like Bledsoe's 70 pass attempts (against the Vikings at that). Or opening a game with 25 straight rushes.


I suppose if we dumped players like Thielen, etc.

For some, it was blasphemy to even casually mention releasing aged players like Thielen, Greenway, and Robison...

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People forget how masterful Belichick was at game-planning and adjustments to keep the opponent off balance. Like Bledsoe's 70 pass attempts (against the Vikings at that). Or opening a game with 25 straight rushes.


I suppose if we dumped players like Thielen, etc.

For some, it was blasphemy to even casually mention releasing aged players like Thielen, Greenway, and Robison...

Fielding and training teams smart enough to execute and make those adjustments, game after game. While bleeding coaches and good players.

As far as the Thielen / veteran extension thing, Belichick was about as sentimental as the creature in 'Alien' when it comes to contracts.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen
But Belichick's pre-Brady and post-Brady records clearly suggest the GOAT was the key to the sustained success,

Pretty hard to argue otherwise...

BB is a hands-down hall of famer, regardless.

Belichick, who I dislike immensely, was both HC and GM for all those SBs ... so gets credit for putting together the teams ... offenses, defenses, STs that Brady powered to all those SBs.

Its hard to take anything away from either jerk.

I suppose that is true...

However, I just feel like Bills ability to get the absolute most out of marginal talent was so good he could mask how bad his high draft picks were.

He had his 3wr(Troy Brown) playing cb at a higher level than most of the Vikings draft picks in the last decade.

If he could have hit on 1st rounders at all the dynasty might still be going.

Well thank you. I try, but some posters that are beyond hope will be waived shortly.

Better to get rid of a poster a year too early rather than a year too late... lol

You mean a post too early.

I made a favorable comment about KJ Osborn(e) once and found myself well inside the blast radius.

That being said, the 'too early vs too late' mentioned was a pretty strong element of the Patriots sustained success. I don't care how good Brady was,he made mistakes in all the playoff and SB games, a lot that were were neutralized by good play from the rest of the team.

I suppose if we dumped players like Thielen, etc. while they were still productive ... would seem pretty heartless for us ... since we've always been in the 'keep your best as long as possible and then some, especially if they want to be Vikings' ...

True the Patriots lucked into Brady, their equation was different for 20 years. But it seems like some fans seem more anxious about what happens to JJ than who's going to throw to JJ. That's an exaggeration but ...

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People forget how masterful Belichick was at game-planning and adjustments to keep the opponent off balance. Like Bledsoe's 70 pass attempts (against the Vikings at that). Or opening a game with 25 straight rushes.


I suppose if we dumped players like Thielen, etc.

For some, it was blasphemy to even casually mention releasing aged players like Thielen, Greenway, and Robison...

Fielding and training teams smart enough to execute and make those adjustments, game after game. While bleeding coaches and good players.

As far as the Thielen / veteran extension thing, Belichick was about as sentimental as the creature in 'Alien' when it comes to contracts.

I loved/love that about that organization. They are committed to winning and don't let fans' sentimental love affairs with individual players get in the way Here's my quickly thought up, not-all-inclusive, put-very-little-thought-into, list of players we kept too long and paid too much money to in the process;

Anthony Barr, Kyle Rudolph, Brian Robison, Adam Thielen, Everson Griffen, Chad Greenway, Jarred Allen, Harrison Smith, Adrian Peterson.

EDIT - forgot a big one - Kirk Cousins

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

People forget how masterful Belichick was at game-planning and adjustments to keep the opponent off balance. Like Bledsoe's 70 pass attempts (against the Vikings at that). Or opening a game with 25 straight rushes.


I suppose if we dumped players like Thielen, etc.

For some, it was blasphemy to even casually mention releasing aged players like Thielen, Greenway, and Robison...

Fielding and training teams smart enough to execute and make those adjustments, game after game. While bleeding coaches and good players.

As far as the Thielen / veteran extension thing, Belichick was about as sentimental as the creature in 'Alien' when it comes to contracts.

I loved/love that about that organization. They are committed to winning and don't let fans' sentimental love affairs with individual players get in the way Here's my quickly thought up, not-all-inclusive, put-very-little-thought-into, list of players we kept too long and paid too much money to in the process;

Anthony Barr, Kyle Rudolph, Brian Robison, Adam Thielen, Everson Griffen, Chad Greenway, Jarred Allen, Harrison Smith, Adrian Peterson.

EDIT - forgot a big one - Kirk Cousins

I swear on my Mother's virtue ... I typed but deleted this last line from my post ...

"... when it comes to contracts. I disagree with David F. a lot but he does push the Belichick's 'no one is irreplaceable [unless they are a Brady].'

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People forget how masterful Belichick was at game-planning and adjustments to keep the opponent off balance. Like Bledsoe's 70 pass attempts (against the Vikings at that). Or opening a game with 25 straight rushes.


I suppose if we dumped players like Thielen, etc.

For some, it was blasphemy to even casually mention releasing aged players like Thielen, Greenway, and Robison...

Fielding and training teams smart enough to execute and make those adjustments, game after game. While bleeding coaches and good players.

As far as the Thielen / veteran extension thing, Belichick was about as sentimental as the creature in 'Alien' when it comes to contracts.

I loved/love that about that organization. They are committed to winning and don't let fans' sentimental love affairs with individual players get in the way Here's my quickly thought up, not-all-inclusive, put-very-little-thought-into, list of players we kept too long and paid too much money to in the process;

Anthony Barr, Kyle Rudolph, Brian Robison, Adam Thielen, Everson Griffen, Chad Greenway, Jarred Allen, Harrison Smith, Adrian Peterson.

EDIT - forgot a big one - Kirk Cousins

I swear on my Mother's virtue ... I typed but deleted this last line from my post ...

"... when it comes to contracts. I disagree with David F. a lot but he does push the Belichick's 'no one is irreplaceable [unless they are a Brady].'

And Kraft couldn't give a crap. Cut 'em! On the surface, the stereotype of NYC raised, criminal enterprise lead Zygmunt should be in that ruthless category, but it's like he's cool with whatever.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

People forget how masterful Belichick was at game-planning and adjustments to keep the opponent off balance. Like Bledsoe's 70 pass attempts (against the Vikings at that). Or opening a game with 25 straight rushes.


I suppose if we dumped players like Thielen, etc.

For some, it was blasphemy to even casually mention releasing aged players like Thielen, Greenway, and Robison...

Fielding and training teams smart enough to execute and make those adjustments, game after game. While bleeding coaches and good players.

As far as the Thielen / veteran extension thing, Belichick was about as sentimental as the creature in 'Alien' when it comes to contracts.

I loved/love that about that organization. They are committed to winning and don't let fans' sentimental love affairs with individual players get in the way Here's my quickly thought up, not-all-inclusive, put-very-little-thought-into, list of players we kept too long and paid too much money to in the process;

Anthony Barr, Kyle Rudolph, Brian Robison, Adam Thielen, Everson Griffen, Chad Greenway, Jarred Allen, Harrison Smith, Adrian Peterson.

EDIT - forgot a big one - Kirk Cousins

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You can’t be too sentimental.

Look at the 49ers. Montana, Rice, Lott, Haley. None of them finished their careers in SF.

I love the idea of playing for one team and retiring, but in most cases it happens a couple years too late.

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I think the Wilf’s are just rich guys who thought owning a team was a status symbol, and everything they do is for the sake of appearance and squeezing more money out of the cash cow.

They are FANS of football, playing as owners..

The only time they probably care about W’s Vs L’s and other things related to actual football, is if they catch flack from the good old boys network.

I truly think they don’t care..

Happily paying multiple million for a mediocre QB and signing off on massive inflated contract extensions for “Home town Hero’s”, regardless of their ability to contribute to actual wins in playoff and drive the franchise to the championship Trophy, tells me.. ( they suck, as owners)

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People forget how masterful Belichick was at game-planning and adjustments to keep the opponent off balance. Like Bledsoe's 70 pass attempts (against the Vikings at that). Or opening a game with 25 straight rushes.


I suppose if we dumped players like Thielen, etc.

For some, it was blasphemy to even casually mention releasing aged players like Thielen, Greenway, and Robison...

Fielding and training teams smart enough to execute and make those adjustments, game after game. While bleeding coaches and good players.

As far as the Thielen / veteran extension thing, Belichick was about as sentimental as the creature in 'Alien' when it comes to contracts.

I loved/love that about that organization. They are committed to winning and don't let fans' sentimental love affairs with individual players get in the way Here's my quickly thought up, not-all-inclusive, put-very-little-thought-into, list of players we kept too long and paid too much money to in the process;

Anthony Barr, Kyle Rudolph, Brian Robison, Adam Thielen, Everson Griffen, Chad Greenway, Jarred Allen, Harrison Smith, Adrian Peterson.

EDIT - forgot a big one - Kirk Cousins

yes, all true...but, where's your inner child?...heroes?...i became a vikes fan in 1970 and all through the '70s those vikings players were my players...i wouldn't trade/cut one of them, and was brokenhearted when we traded carl eller and alan page...i never knew, nor was I interested in their ages - they could play forever in my world....

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

I think the Wilf’s are just rich guys who thought owning a team was a status symbol, and everything they do is for the sake of appearance and squeezing more money out of the cash cow.

They are FANS of football, playing as owners..

The only time they probably care about W’s Vs L’s and other things related to actual football, is if they catch flack from the good old boys network.

I truly think they don’t care..

Happily paying multiple million for a mediocre QB and signing off on massive inflated contract extensions for “Home town Hero’s”, regardless of their ability to contribute to actual wins in playoff and drive the franchise to the championship Trophy, tells me.. ( they suck, as owners)

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

If I owned this team, you are god damn right the GM and his contract Decisions are under my control.

How is that “ micro management “.

If I own an NFL franchise, my priority is winning and all the extra marketing and exposure the franchise gets for being a winner..

Not giving home won discounts and fan favorite contacts out to wannabes and hasbeens or neverwillbes , out of “ loyalty” to non-ROI type players..

F that.

Build a winner and reap the financial rewards like the Patriots, cowboys , 49rs Pukers and so on.

GM is MY EMPLOYEE.. THE MONEY IS MINE TO USE AS I SEE FIT..including his fn salary.. put UP or GTFOOHWTS

It’s not HIS Monopoly Money TO PLAY WITH.

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I the end, as a fan.. I see no difference..

The money…And market drives the owners, not what fans want..

It’s a microcosm of and similar to many things in our lives..

We, as Vikings fans are more heavily invested in this franchise, than any “ owner” who has near shed a drop of sweat or blood for our team

Gang of ten, Mccoombs, the Wilf’s.. all cut from the same cloth, and we just cling to he ragged threads, dragged from season to season with nothing but frustration and stitched together with the elusive hope that someday, it will be “ our turn”..

Always so close..
As yet, never there.

Get off my lawn.. this soap box is mine!