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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/21/2023 10:21:22 AM

Ricky J

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if this kid is a bust kwesi needs to go after this year.

enough of this shit. where is the genius?!?

Kwesi reminds me of David Kahn so far.

I don't know 13-4 off of a steamy mess left by Spielman/Zimmer seems quite genius to me.

All the signs of a paper tiger after being bitch slapped by a mediocre Giants team at home in the WC round. We were nothing more than a 500 team that got lucky in one score games.

such a sad perspective

so many fun sundays; so many happy/relieved people after eight 4th q comebacks

but alas, like 31 other teams, there is nothing to feel good about regarding the wasted time spent watching NFL football last season

sigh

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/21/2023 10:41:19 AM

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: geoffrey greitzer

if this kid is a bust kwesi needs to go after this year.

enough of this shit. where is the genius?!?

Kwesi reminds me of David Kahn so far.

I don't know 13-4 off of a steamy mess left by Spielman/Zimmer seems quite genius to me.

13-4 is not easy to accomplish.

Kwesi got one thing right for sure. He hired Kevin O'Connell, that coach had these guys believing they were not out of the game, they bought in and never gave up and kept playing.
Made a big mistake in hiring Ed Donatell - his don't bother defending the middle of the field defense which worked in a bygone era when people didn't go over the middle for fear of getting destroyed cost us in the end.

Drafting is a tough thing to evaluate after just one season.
Addison this year and no QB has be a bit down, but I reserve judgement on this.
Last year Booth and Cine were both hurt, Akayleb Evans contributed some before being hurt himself. We will see what the last two drafts will give us more this year.
Getting rid of dead weight and fading stars to shed some salary cap issues and cut bait with declining players was a good move imho. We will likely lose production, but Mattison is no slouch and even though he doesn't have the breakaway speed of Cook he's got a bit of doen't go down easy too... I think Brian Flores as DC is going to pay huge dividends.

My personal jury is still out on Kwesi....so I need more time. by the end of this year he may appear inept or like a genius

Some people will probably only see the inept, and stubbornly argue it
Some people will probably only see the genius, and stubbornly argue it

The real test comes when it is time to deal with the QB situation. And that is coming soon.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/21/2023 10:58:39 AM

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: geoffrey greitzer

if this kid is a bust kwesi needs to go after this year.

enough of this shit. where is the genius?!?

Kwesi reminds me of David Kahn so far.

I don't know 13-4 off of a steamy mess left by Spielman/Zimmer seems quite genius to me.

All the signs of a paper tiger after being bitch slapped by a mediocre Giants team at home in the WC round. We were nothing more than a 500 team that got lucky in one score games.

such a sad perspective

so many fun sundays; so many happy/relieved people after eight 4th q comebacks

but alas, like 31 other teams, there is nothing to feel good about regarding the wasted time spent watching NFL football last season

sigh

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/21/2023 12:37:23 PM 1 votes

Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: geoffrey greitzer

if this kid is a bust kwesi needs to go after this year.

enough of this shit. where is the genius?!?

Kwesi reminds me of David Kahn so far.

I don't know 13-4 off of a steamy mess left by Spielman/Zimmer seems quite genius to me.

All the signs of a paper tiger after being bitch slapped by a mediocre Giants team at home in the WC round. We were nothing more than a 500 team that got lucky in one score games.

such a sad perspective

so many fun sundays; so many happy/relieved people after eight 4th q comebacks

but alas, like 31 other teams, there is nothing to feel good about regarding the wasted time spent watching NFL football last season

sigh

IMO your mistake is in thinking you enjoyed the season more than someone that isn't fixated on the positive.

The bottom line is, every sport is based on winning and losing. And winning and losing in the sport of football is NOT decided by individual plays or games, its decided on a seasonal basis with one unit or season = regular season, the playoffs and the SB. Not only am I not sorry for the arrogant and condescending tone but I'll continue ...

there are over-optimistic cheer squads and over-pessimistic doom and gloomers. There are the 'wait and see' procrastinators. And then, God bless us, the ping-pongers with no control or predisposition for anything that get bounced in every direction by what's happening. And all the shades in between.

The doomers are what they are, trolls. Cheerios are one-dimensional like trolls but they dress like Addison in the draft-room and eat purple lava lamp goo on their french toast. Unlike sourpuss trolls, cheerios are actually BIG fans of the team but otherwise, they're quite similar, picking and choosing from what’s available to stay in their comfort zones.

You can choose to stoke your compulsive optimism by reminiscing over and over the positive stats, individual plays or games, or human potential (players, coaches, executives) from the previous season. Ping-Pongers not so much. That doesn't mean they didn't enjoy the highs from the previous season less than you.

Poor rumpled tattered hobo ping-pongers don't have that happy place to retreat to while KC throws short to end the season. And we can't forget it either. We actually do enjoy what's happening as we go along - greatly - but we are also unable to ignore or dismiss the only real measuring stick by which all franchises are measured each season: distance to winning a SB.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/21/2023 2:44:32 PM

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: geoffrey greitzer

if this kid is a bust kwesi needs to go after this year.

enough of this shit. where is the genius?!?

If he gets 70 catches and 1000 yards does the GM get a special bonus? Should we wait for a few games to be played?

my prediction is; osborn #2, nailor #3, and oft-injured addison #4...but it won't matter because nailor will excel this season....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/21/2023 3:21:44 PM

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: geoffrey greitzer

if this kid is a bust kwesi needs to go after this year.

enough of this shit. where is the genius?!?

If he gets 70 catches and 1000 yards does the GM get a special bonus? Should we wait for a few games to be played?

my prediction is; osborn #2, nailor #3, and oft-injured addison #4...but it won't matter because nailor will excel this season....

I don't get all the doom and gloom and hatred of the new front office.

We went 13-4 in our first season with a terrible defense.

What did we have to do for people to be happy? I mean if we won the Superbowl but only went 16-1 in the regular season some people would probably still want Kwesi's head on a spit.

Come on folks. Let's let them play a game or two before we order the executions.

My prediction our record will be worse but we will be a better team. 11-6 12-5 is doable.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/21/2023 3:51:44 PM

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- Interesting. Playing for Washington and a revolving door of OCs, not to mention Zimmer, in MN. He hasn't had the most QB friendly atmosphere in is career.

Adam Patrick @Str8_Cash_Homey

Most QB wins during the Dan Snyder era in Washington (1999-2022)

Kirk Cousins - 26
Jason Campbell - 20
Brad Johnson - 17
Mark Brunell - 15
Robert Griffin III - 14

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/21/2023 6:00:35 PM

Todd M

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What did we have to do for people to be happy? I mean if we won the Superbowl but only went 16-1 in the regular season some people would probably still want Kwesi's head on a spit.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/21/2023 6:33:09 PM

Todd M

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

- Interesting. Playing for Washington and a revolving door of OCs, not to mention Zimmer, in MN. He hasn't had the most QB friendly atmosphere in is career.

Adam Patrick @Str8_Cash_Homey

Most QB wins during the Dan Snyder era in Washington (1999-2022)

Kirk Cousins - 26
Jason Campbell - 20
Brad Johnson - 17
Mark Brunell - 15
Robert Griffin III - 14

If it was a revolving door with OC with Washington just how many different OC's has Cousins had in 11 years?

Getting KOC again HAS to be a boon for him.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/21/2023 7:20:04 PM

Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

- Interesting. Playing for Washington and a revolving door of OCs, not to mention Zimmer, in MN. He hasn't had the most QB friendly atmosphere in is career.

Adam Patrick @Str8_Cash_Homey

Most QB wins during the Dan Snyder era in Washington (1999-2022)

Kirk Cousins - 26
Jason Campbell - 20
Brad Johnson - 17
Mark Brunell - 15
Robert Griffin III - 14

If it was a revolving door with OC with Washington just how many different OC's has Cousins had in 11 years?

Getting KOC again HAS to be a boon for him.

One would think so. Let's hope the pieces come together

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/21/2023 10:50:19 PM

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and then there's this....

MLFootball@_MLFootball
RESPECT: The most underrated quarterback in the #NFL is Minnesota #Vikings QB Kirk Cousins, according to Patrick Mahomes.
Mahomes and Marcus Mariota said that most quarterbacks would agree Kirk is the most underrated in the league.

FIRST ROUND MOCK@firstroundmock
Kirk Cousins is the most overrated and overpaid QB in the league - 11 year career and nothing but one playoff win and a bag of money to show for it.

< Message edited by ratoppenheimer -- 7/21/2023 10:52:07 PM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/22/2023 11:17:38 AM

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Mahomes: "Wins every year." Nope. In the last six years, his record was better than .500 just three times. And Cousins' teams have won at least 10 games just twice over 11 years.

Mahomes: "Puts up great stats." Yeah, Stat-boy does at that.

Pretty much back-handed compliments, and the standard cliché reply as he was probably asked what he thought of his fellow QBs in the mini-series.

What Mahomes did NOT say: "He's a winner." "He elevates his teams." "He's best in the big games and prime time." "Look at those deep playoff runs."

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/22/2023 11:59:34 AM

Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

- Interesting. Playing for Washington and a revolving door of OCs, not to mention Zimmer, in MN. He hasn't had the most QB friendly atmosphere in is career.

Adam Patrick @Str8_Cash_Homey

Most QB wins during the Dan Snyder era in Washington (1999-2022)

Kirk Cousins - 26
Jason Campbell - 20
Brad Johnson - 17
Mark Brunell - 15
Robert Griffin III - 14

If it was a revolving door with OC with Washington just how many different OC's has Cousins had in 11 years?

Getting KOC again HAS to be a boon for him.

Not entirely true, I lived in DC for his time there. Even if he had multiple coordinates (I don’t remember exactly, that part) his head coach was Jay Gruden. A lousy head coach but a really good offensive coach. AKA, pretty much the same system.

< Message edited by Jeff Jesser -- 7/22/2023 12:00:44 PM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/22/2023 12:06:11 PM

David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

- Interesting. Playing for Washington and a revolving door of OCs, not to mention Zimmer, in MN. He hasn't had the most QB friendly atmosphere in is career.

Adam Patrick @Str8_Cash_Homey

Most QB wins during the Dan Snyder era in Washington (1999-2022)

Kirk Cousins - 26
Jason Campbell - 20
Brad Johnson - 17
Mark Brunell - 15
Robert Griffin III - 14

If it was a revolving door with OC with Washington just how many different OC's has Cousins had in 11 years?

Getting KOC again HAS to be a boon for him.

Not entirely true, I lived in DC for his time there. Even if he had multiple coordinates (I don’t remember exactly, that part) his head coach was Jay Gruden. A lousy head coach but a really good offensive coach. AKA, pretty much the same system.

Yup.

His first 2 years in SF he had Kyle Shanahan as his OC. His next 3 season he had Sean McVay (who was already coaching in Washington since before Kirk was drafted).

His final year he had Matt Cavanaugh, but even he had been Cousins' QB coach the previous 2 years.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/22/2023 12:10:27 PM

Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: geoffrey greitzer

if this kid is a bust kwesi needs to go after this year.

enough of this shit. where is the genius?!?

If he gets 70 catches and 1000 yards does the GM get a special bonus? Should we wait for a few games to be played?

my prediction is; osborn #2, nailor #3, and oft-injured addison #4...but it won't matter because nailor will excel this season....

I don't get all the doom and gloom and hatred of the new front office.

We went 13-4 in our first season with a terrible defense.

What did we have to do for people to be happy? I mean if we won the Superbowl but only went 16-1 in the regular season some people would probably still want Kwesi's head on a spit.

Come on folks. Let's let them play a game or two before we order the executions.

My prediction our record will be worse but we will be a better team. 11-6 12-5 is doable.

Again with the 'hate' label. Why are people that complain about criticism so so extreme in their criticism?

Again with the 'wait and see' approach. Nobody would be in here until early Sept if people really felt that way.

But those are just common, over-used complaints.

Winning a SB, going 16-1 and Kwesi's head on a spit?

That's one of the most ridiculous paroxysms of knee-jerk reaction to ever be posted in the history of the world.

You went for it and it was good. I admire the commitment.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/22/2023 12:19:04 PM

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: geoffrey greitzer

if this kid is a bust kwesi needs to go after this year.

enough of this shit. where is the genius?!?

If he gets 70 catches and 1000 yards does the GM get a special bonus? Should we wait for a few games to be played?

my prediction is; osborn #2, nailor #3, and oft-injured addison #4...but it won't matter because nailor will excel this season....

I don't get all the doom and gloom and hatred of the new front office.

We went 13-4 in our first season with a terrible defense.

What did we have to do for people to be happy? I mean if we won the Superbowl but only went 16-1 in the regular season some people would probably still want Kwesi's head on a spit.

Come on folks. Let's let them play a game or two before we order the executions.

My prediction our record will be worse but we will be a better team. 11-6 12-5 is doable.

Again with the 'hate' label. Why are people that complain about criticism so so extreme in their criticism?

Again with the 'wait and see' approach. Nobody would be in here until early Sept if people really felt that way.

But those are just common, over-used complaints.

Winning a SB, going 16-1 and Kwesi's head on a spit?

That's one of the most ridiculous paroxysms of knee-jerk reaction to ever be posted in the history of the world.

You went for it and it was good. I admire the commitment.

Why are "haters" so offended by the hate label?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/22/2023 12:34:30 PM

Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: geoffrey greitzer

if this kid is a bust kwesi needs to go after this year.

enough of this shit. where is the genius?!?

If he gets 70 catches and 1000 yards does the GM get a special bonus? Should we wait for a few games to be played?

my prediction is; osborn #2, nailor #3, and oft-injured addison #4...but it won't matter because nailor will excel this season....

I don't get all the doom and gloom and hatred of the new front office.

We went 13-4 in our first season with a terrible defense.

What did we have to do for people to be happy? I mean if we won the Superbowl but only went 16-1 in the regular season some people would probably still want Kwesi's head on a spit.

Come on folks. Let's let them play a game or two before we order the executions.

My prediction our record will be worse but we will be a better team. 11-6 12-5 is doable.

Again with the 'hate' label. Why are people that complain about criticism so so extreme in their criticism?

Again with the 'wait and see' approach. Nobody would be in here until early Sept if people really felt that way.

But those are just common, over-used complaints.

Winning a SB, going 16-1 and Kwesi's head on a spit?

That's one of the most ridiculous paroxysms of knee-jerk reaction to ever be posted in the history of the world.

You went for it and it was good. I admire the commitment.

Why are "haters" so offended by the hate label?

Nice try.

It doesn't bother me if you think I'm a hater.

I'm very comfortable in my ability to over-react in every direction. Depending on the situation.

I only call it out because I'm amused by your hypocrisy.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/22/2023 3:01:03 PM

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Addison said the following, “Yesterday morning I made a mistake and used poor judgment. I recognize and own that. I am going to learn from this and not repeat the behavior. I am truly sorry.”

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/22/2023 5:22:36 PM

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- Interesting. Playing for Washington and a revolving door of OCs, not to mention Zimmer, in MN. He hasn't had the most QB friendly atmosphere in is career.

Adam Patrick @Str8_Cash_Homey

Most QB wins during the Dan Snyder era in Washington (1999-2022)

Kirk Cousins - 26
Jason Campbell - 20
Brad Johnson - 17
Mark Brunell - 15
Robert Griffin III - 14

A real cavalcade of champions there! Who or what is second-place Jason Campbell?

Not to mention the list is useless as it directly depends on duration as a starter.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/22/2023 5:27:26 PM

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Addison said the following, “Yesterday morning I made a mistake and used poor judgment. I recognize and own that. I am going to learn from this and not repeat the behavior. I am truly sorry.”

Yesterday morning... in those wee hours lol. Seems his 'braintrust' got together and said we should mix the boilerplate answer with a heavy apology seemingly from the heart.

Now pay that man!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/23/2023 11:37:22 AM

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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Addison said the following, “Yesterday morning I made a mistake and used poor judgment. I recognize and own that. I am going to learn from this and not repeat the behavior. I am truly sorry.”

Yesterday morning... in those wee hours lol. Seems his 'braintrust' got together and said we should mix the boilerplate answer with a heavy apology seemingly from the heart.

Now pay that man!

Yeah it's hard to swallow an apology from someone that had every intention of doing what they were doing. A 'sorry I got caught' apology never flies.

The magnitude of possible consequences alone screams entitled athlete / celebrity pushing new boundaries ...

Hopefully its just a young dude with big money all at once dumbassery and he'll mature sooner than later.

Not for the good of society, for purely selfish reasons, we need him.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/23/2023 5:20:23 PM

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For what it’s worth, my friends and I drove our cars like it was Fast and the Furious. We weren’t entitled, we were just young and stupid.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/23/2023 5:33:36 PM

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For what it’s worth, my friends and I drove our cars like it was Fast and the Furious. We weren’t entitled, we were just young and stupid.

Yep. The only reason I was never clocked doing 140 when I was his age is that I never owned a Lamborghini. I got my Olds Omega with a 350 up to around 110 a couple of times.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/23/2023 5:58:30 PM

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