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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2024 12:17:01 PM

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Given how low the bar is for talent, my hope is Blackmon can become a solid #2 CB.

I think he can. He showed some flashes and got some experience at playing corner in the NFL. He's only going to get better. Are we done with Booth?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2024 12:23:11 PM

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5. Cut Mattison. Make Ty Chandler the backup and draft/sign a starter. The running back position was a big problem this past year. We got very little production out of it and I'm not convinced that Chandler is starting material.

I put a lot of that on KOC too. We sucked at running the ball last year and they basically did nothing to fix it. A bunch of games he didn't even stick with it long to see if that game it would start working.

We certainly stuck with Mattison for too long. And reached to get him. Just like Irv Smith. This team still has the stink of Spielman, always two steps behind his contemporaries. Olineman don't sell tickets, but I'd rather have a great OLine instead of an expensive, fan favorite RB.

Everybody talks about Mr. Irrelevant, last pick in the draft, Brock Purdy. Isiah Pacheco was selected 10 spots before him. Obviously this is hindsight, but why do we struggle to find that diamond in the rough? I think I know why. It's because we haven't figured out how to build a modern day, winning football team. We think mediocre RB's and TE's are important enough to spend up for. They are not.

The Lions shed themselves of Hockenson and Swift. And they replaced them with cheap rookies, LaPorta and Gibbs. We gave the bag to a Lions castoff. I'm not a big fan of drafting a RB early, but their other RB is better than anything we have. And he (Montgomery) runs hard. That matters, so is said.

Pacheco, Hill, Edwards, McCaffrey, Montgomery and Gibbs are all in the Conference Championship. Good luck finding another McCaffrey. Meanwhile the Ravens are without their two best RB's.

Timmy Smith and Pierre Thomas have Super Bowl rings. Hell, Smith has a Super Bowl rushing record.

Fix that shit (Jeff Diamond) in the front (OL) and teach/coach your cheap RB how to pick up the blitz. There are 100 RB's ready to do that. It's literally the easiest and cheapest position to fill in the NFL.

As good as Addison was (70/911/10), what if you take LaPorta (and let Hutch walk) or maybe Levis and then take Nacua (105/1486/6) in the 4th or 5th?

You can play that game every year. Rams passed on Nacua a few times during draft.

Right. But I'm not ready to give Kwesi the benefit of the doubt when it comes to team building yet.

(Nor am I convinced that Addison is a bigger impact player than LaPorta - not to mention signing JJ is easier without Hock's deal.)

Okay. I see your point on where we should be prioritizing cap space.

Kwesi needs a huge year. Hit on QBOTF and find 3 to 4 other impact players(draft, FA). He has to keep up with the Joneses(GB,DET,CHI) or he will be gone next off season.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2024 12:52:24 PM

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Given how low the bar is for talent, my hope is Blackmon can become a solid #2 CB.

I think he can. He showed some flashes and got some experience at playing corner in the NFL. He's only going to get better. Are we done with Booth?

Done for sure with the DB coach, however there doesn't appear to be one besides an assistant. Or the coach was quietly let go in the last couple of weeks.

https://www.vikings.com/team/coaches-roster/

Maybe that's why Evans regressed, Booth is stagnant in the murk, and Murphy failed to do much.

< Message edited by Bill Johanesen -- 1/26/2024 1:03:13 PM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2024 12:59:52 PM

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There are multiple variables, but a lousy secondary contributed greatly to being last in the NFL in completion percentage (70.3%) allowed. It's crazy to think that 17 QBs lined up and on average completed 7 out of every 10 passes.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2024 1:38:38 PM

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20th anniversary of Wilfs owning the franchise.

Made the playoffs 7 times.

Sadly, they don't know how to put an NFL organization together.

Depressing.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2024 2:14:17 PM

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20th anniversary of Wilfs owning the franchise.

Made the playoffs 7 times.

Sadly, they don't know how to put an NFL organization together.

Depressing.

Besides getting a new stadium, the ultimate highlight of their 20 year tenure had to be hosting the Giants in the playoffs. Win-win.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2024 2:25:26 PM

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20th anniversary of Wilfs owning the franchise.

Made the playoffs 7 times.

Sadly, they don't know how to put an NFL organization together.

Depressing.

Besides getting a new stadium, the ultimate highlight of their 20 year tenure had to be hosting the Giants in the playoffs. Win-win.

I think (just my opinion) the Wilfs have tried to be good owners.
I personally think they do want to win... maybe too much, not allowing for a build vs quick fix.

They have spent money.
Stadium.
Free agents.

But their track record sucks.

2009 is so far away... that is probably the last (and one of the few) times I thought the Vikes were truly the best team in the league.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2024 2:29:22 PM

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Here's a Mock that has the Vikings trading with Chicago for the #1 pick:

https://share.newsbreak.com/5zz90srd

.... for Drake Maye !!!

Anyone like Maye enough that they would consider this ?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2024 2:40:03 PM

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ORIGINAL: marty

Here's a Mock that has the Vikings trading with Chicago for the #1 pick:

https://share.newsbreak.com/5zz90srd

.... for Drake Maye !!!

Anyone like Maye enough that they would consider this ?

No.

Maybe for Williams though.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2024 2:48:05 PM

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Here's a Mock that has the Vikings trading with Chicago for the #1 pick:

https://share.newsbreak.com/5zz90srd

.... for Drake Maye !!!

Anyone like Maye enough that they would consider this ?

More importantly, our WR coach McCardell is OC for the NFC Pro Bowl flag football team.

Certainly on a fast track for a HC position (of the flag football team).

Keep our fingers crossed.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2024 3:22:03 PM

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ORIGINAL: marty

Here's a Mock that has the Vikings trading with Chicago for the #1 pick:

https://share.newsbreak.com/5zz90srd

.... for Drake Maye !!!

Anyone like Maye enough that they would consider this ?

No.

Maybe for Williams though.

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Trade: Bears get Nos. 11, 42, 126, and 2025 first and second-round pick; Vikings get No. 1 and 2025 sixth-round pick

Can’t see that being enough.

I predict there will be tons of buzz about Chicago trading out once they’re on the clock. Then they announce we’re shipping #11 25/26/27 1st round picks. For Williams.

I just hope we don’t get squeezed for an additional 2nd somewhere.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2024 3:39:01 PM

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ORIGINAL: marty

Here's a Mock that has the Vikings trading with Chicago for the #1 pick:

https://share.newsbreak.com/5zz90srd

.... for Drake Maye !!!

Anyone like Maye

enough that they would consider this ?

I like Maye a lot, but I think we could open up defenses in different ways with Williams. I’d make a big trade for either guy.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2024 6:29:12 PM

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Is there any circumstance where Chicago would be willing to trade their first rd pick to us?

No. Under any circumstance.

If for some lame reason they want to trade out, there will be multiple non-NFC North bidders higher than #11.

We would not trade JJ to a division rival, a blue chip possible franchise QB would be even dumber.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2024 6:43:12 PM

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Per Darren Wolfson of KSTP in the Twin Cities, tight end T.J. Hockenson has not yet had surgery to repair the torn ACL and MCL in his knee because the swelling has not yet gone down enough for the surgery to be performed. This could, potentially, have a significant impact on his status for the start of the 2024 season.

There is a possibility that he may miss the month of September.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2024 11:45:36 PM

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Per Darren Wolfson of KSTP in the Twin Cities, tight end T.J. Hockenson has not yet had surgery to repair the torn ACL and MCL in his knee because the swelling has not yet gone down enough for the surgery to be performed. This could, potentially, have a significant impact on his status for the start of the 2024 season.

There is a possibility that he may miss the month of September.

That sucks for him first, and us. Get ready for another reach overdraft of a couple more TE's.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2024 11:46:58 PM

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Is there any circumstance where Chicago would be willing to trade their first rd pick to us?

No. Under any circumstance.

If for some lame reason they want to trade out, there will be multiple non-NFC North bidders higher than #11.

We would not trade JJ to a division rival, a blue chip possible franchise QB would be even dumber.

If the circumstances were reversed, we would probably do it.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/27/2024 1:35:38 AM

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: marty

Here's a Mock that has the Vikings trading with Chicago for the #1 pick:

https://share.newsbreak.com/5zz90srd

.... for Drake Maye !!!

Anyone like Maye enough that they would consider this ?

No.

Maybe for Williams though.

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Trade: Bears get Nos. 11, 42, 126, and 2025 first and second-round pick; Vikings get No. 1 and 2025 sixth-round pick

Can’t see that being enough.

I predict there will be tons of buzz about Chicago trading out once they’re on the clock. Then they announce we’re shipping #11 25/26/27 1st round picks. For Williams.

I just hope we don’t get squeezed for an additional 2nd somewhere.

I do think the Bears will deal. I think they think they have their QB, and I tend to agree. 24 year old, athletic as fukc QB just getting better. Finally paired with one top-level WR. Fields is going to end up being really good.

Nobody wants to play QB in Chicago. I bet Williams would frown if the Bears drafted him.

If we pay Cousin's ransom, he still might be the worst QB in our division in 2024. For sure he's the oldest, and we have already seen his upside.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/27/2024 2:50:13 AM

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Per Darren Wolfson of KSTP in the Twin Cities, tight end T.J. Hockenson has not yet had surgery to repair the torn ACL and MCL in his knee because the swelling has not yet gone down enough for the surgery to be performed. This could, potentially, have a significant impact on his status for the start of the 2024 season.

There is a possibility that he may miss the month of September.

That sucks for him first, and us. Get ready for another reach overdraft of a couple more TE's.

we should have kept ben sims, rookie from baylor - he's a packer now....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/27/2024 3:46:53 AM

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ORIGINAL: JT2

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: marty

Here's a Mock that has the Vikings trading with Chicago for the #1 pick:

https://share.newsbreak.com/5zz90srd

.... for Drake Maye !!!

Anyone like Maye enough that they would consider this ?

No.

Maybe for Williams though.

quote:

Trade: Bears get Nos. 11, 42, 126, and 2025 first and second-round pick; Vikings get No. 1 and 2025 sixth-round pick

Can’t see that being enough.

I predict there will be tons of buzz about Chicago trading out once they’re on the clock. Then they announce we’re shipping #11 25/26/27 1st round picks. For Williams.

I just hope we don’t get squeezed for an additional 2nd somewhere.

I do think the Bears will deal. I think they think they have their QB, and I tend to agree. 24 year old, athletic as fukc QB just getting better. Finally paired with one top-level WR. Fields is going to end up being really good.

Nobody wants to play QB in Chicago. I bet Williams would frown if the Bears drafted him.

If we pay Cousin's ransom, he still might be the worst QB in our division in 2024. For sure he's the oldest, and we have already seen his upside.

i'd pay 4-years' worth of first-rounders for the guy that o'connell wants...

someone, somewhere, imagined the vikings trading up to numbers #1-3, then trading jefferson for another #1-3 (and more) pick and selecting a top QB and marvin harrison jr....

cheap qb and cheap wr...and many of your draft picks back through the trades....

what's the point of paying Jefferson big bucks when you're going with an unproven qb?...could be several years before the qb gets it together - if ever....

this would be a total balls-out move by kwesi -- maybe the most daring and wild draft move ever....

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< Message edited by ratoppenheimer -- 1/27/2024 4:13:08 AM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/27/2024 7:00:42 AM

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If the Bears deal #1, I doubt they go back farther than #4. If they are sticking with Fields, they will want a to pair him with a top receiver. After the top 3 teams take QBs, that leaves them in position to take Harrison.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/27/2024 8:48:55 AM

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: JT2

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: marty

Here's a Mock that has the Vikings trading with Chicago for the #1 pick:

https://share.newsbreak.com/5zz90srd

.... for Drake Maye !!!

Anyone like Maye enough that they would consider this ?

No.

Maybe for Williams though.

quote:

Trade: Bears get Nos. 11, 42, 126, and 2025 first and second-round pick; Vikings get No. 1 and 2025 sixth-round pick

Can’t see that being enough.

I predict there will be tons of buzz about Chicago trading out once they’re on the clock. Then they announce we’re shipping #11 25/26/27 1st round picks. For Williams.

I just hope we don’t get squeezed for an additional 2nd somewhere.

I do think the Bears will deal. I think they think they have their QB, and I tend to agree. 24 year old, athletic as fukc QB just getting better. Finally paired with one top-level WR. Fields is going to end up being really good.

Nobody wants to play QB in Chicago. I bet Williams would frown if the Bears drafted him.

If we pay Cousin's ransom, he still might be the worst QB in our division in 2024. For sure he's the oldest, and we have already seen his upside.

i'd pay 4-years' worth of first-rounders for the guy that o'connell wants...

someone, somewhere, imagined the vikings trading up to numbers #1-3, then trading jefferson for another #1-3 (and more) pick and selecting a top QB and marvin harrison jr....

cheap qb and cheap wr...and many of your draft picks back through the trades....

what's the point of paying Jefferson big bucks when you're going with an unproven qb?...could be several years before the qb gets it together - if ever....

this would be a total balls-out move by kwesi -- maybe the most daring and wild draft move ever....

.

If this was the Seven movie, you'd be the gluttony victim.

Moving up into the top ten ... like 4 or 5 spots from our #11 would be miraculous, unprecedented for us. Much less more than that.

I see Kirk on a three year deal, two guaranteed ... resigning Wonnum who will immediately be designated as ‘ahead of schedule in his rehab’ ... drafting a CB #1 as the backbone of a strategy that will have Kevin and Kwesi slapping each other’s butts in their yearly war room ‘stick to our plan’ ritual.

They are just too smart to have missed on Hall so he remains our long term answer.

To this point our team building approach has zeroed in on S [cine - top draft pick] then TE [hock - top trade] then TE [oliver - one of our top FA signings] then waterbug WR [addison - top draft pick]) ... given Hock’s ‘not even started rehab’ situation and KOCs lust for the position, having another check down option in rds 2-3 is perfectly justified.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/27/2024 10:02:17 AM

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Per Darren Wolfson of KSTP in the Twin Cities, tight end T.J. Hockenson has not yet had surgery to repair the torn ACL and MCL in his knee because the swelling has not yet gone down enough for the surgery to be performed. This could, potentially, have a significant impact on his status for the start of the 2024 season.

There is a possibility that he may miss the month of September.

There is also the possibility he may never be the same player again.

Not even considering the injury Kwesi got completely played by Det GM. Giving up 3 picks for the right to make Hock the highest paid TE in lue of a TE rich draft was just flat out stupid.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/27/2024 10:17:55 AM

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Maybe we should be hesitant in enriching a divisional rival with picks but Poles should be willing to let us get what we want.

Kwesi’s thinking: I’ll do anything. Pay any price.

Poles thinking: I can take this sucker to the cleaner. Sure they might get a great QB but this idiot doesn’t know how to build a roster while I can polish my team up real good with the picks.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/27/2024 10:21:49 AM

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Why do I want to do it? BC Williams can outlast Kwesi and a really good coach would be chomping at the bit to work with Williams.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/27/2024 10:28:01 AM

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Why do I want to do it? BC Williams can outlast Kwesi and a really good coach would be chomping at the bit to work with Williams.

This line of reasoning is diabolical but somehow practical.

And its cracked open my belief that its impossible for CHI to deal their pick to us.

Its going to be such a long wait for the draft.

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