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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Rumor is the salary cap is going from 224.8 to 250 million in 2024.

I think our 28M under figure is with a 242M salary cap.

So, it is going up 8M for everybody.

We can get to 60M under with JJ extension(actually lowers his cap number) and other common sense cuts. It will not be a surprise if we make a couple splashes early on in FA.

It would shock me.


OverThe Cap has us at $24.7. Subtract say $3.7 in dead cap for Cook & Co. for a beginning total of $21. There is Smith, Lowry, Bradbury totaling ~ $16. That brings the total to 21 + 16, or 38. Where is the other $22 million to get to $60 via a couple of common sense cuts?

You can include the projected $8 million cap bump for all teams but IMO that's a wash as everyone has it and it just means, like always, higher salaries.

And you have created empty starting spots at DE and C.

Spotrac starts with an adjusted total cap of $251.5 which is the going in allowable cap plus the 2023 rollover.


Anything is possible with enough cuts and void years. To be legit, take a look at the existing roster holes and new holes from your cuts, fill them with salaries for (just) average starters and a couple of your early splash signings (high $ during the initial frenzy), and pay 90% of all their salaries (which mirrors carrying $25M in dead cap if the total cap is $250M) in 2024. My guess is it is clearly not possible to do.

There are the obvious starter holes not currently on the books for 2024 ... [7 holes]

QB Cousins, LG Risner, LOLB Hunter, ROLB Wonnum, DE Bullard, ILB Hicks, K Joseph

There are back-up holes not currently on the books for 2024 ... [7 holes]

ROLB (Davenport), LT (Udoh), LG (Reed), C (Schlottmann), RT (Quessenberry), #3 WR (Osborn), #4 WR (Powell)

Plus RFA holes not on the books for 2024 ... [3 holes]

NT Tonga, RB Akers and maybe OL Brandel

There are holes that should be created by responsible GM planning ... [3 holes]

S Smith, DT/DE Lowry, C Bradbury ...

And there are non-financial holes occupied by starters that need to be upgraded (not yet mentioned) ...

QB Mullens, CB(s)

And then there is dead money that is shaped like a hole but weighs the cap down like a lead balloon.

So with the three cuts some are recommending, there are 10 (ten) vacant starting positions: QB Cousins, LG Risner, LOLB Hunter, ROLB Wonnum, DE Bullard, ILB Hicks, K Joseph, S Smith, DT/DE Lowry, C Bradbury.

There are also ten (10) vacant backup positions: ROLB (Davenport), LT (Udoh), LG (Reed), C (Schlottmann), RT (Quessenberry), #3 WR (Osborn), #4 WR (Powell), NT Tonga, RB Akers and maybe OL Brandel.

That looks like 10 starters and 10 backups need to be signed. $50 million isn't going to do it unless it's bargain basement/street urchins. AND JJ's contract is backloaded into the years where we might be competitive and need cap.

This is akin to Monopoly where someone who is low on money cashes in their hotels, houses, and property. They now have more money but have nothing to show for it.

Top 51 minus minimum contract that is factored in....
Reed, Schlottman, Powell, Quessberry, etc. signings may not change the cap but a couple to a few million....

Example: A 3 million contract wouldn't actually be 3 million against the cap---minimum is 800k. So it would be 2.2 million cap increase.

And apply the percentage of the 2023 to 2024 cap increase to those numbers. Actually to all the signings. Can't have it both ways.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Rumor is the salary cap is going from 224.8 to 250 million in 2024.

I think our 28M under figure is with a 242M salary cap.

So, it is going up 8M for everybody.

We can get to 60M under with JJ extension(actually lowers his cap number) and other common sense cuts. It will not be a surprise if we make a couple splashes early on in FA.

It would shock me.


OverThe Cap has us at $24.7. Subtract say $3.7 in dead cap for Cook & Co. for a beginning total of $21. There is Smith, Lowry, Bradbury totaling ~ $16. That brings the total to 21 + 16, or 38. Where is the other $22 million to get to $60 via a couple of common sense cuts?

You can include the projected $8 million cap bump for all teams but IMO that's a wash as everyone has it and it just means, like always, higher salaries.

And you have created empty starting spots at DE and C.

Spotrac starts with an adjusted total cap of $251.5 which is the going in allowable cap plus the 2023 rollover.


Anything is possible with enough cuts and void years. To be legit, take a look at the existing roster holes and new holes from your cuts, fill them with salaries for (just) average starters and a couple of your early splash signings (high $ during the initial frenzy), and pay 90% of all their salaries (which mirrors carrying $25M in dead cap if the total cap is $250M) in 2024. My guess is it is clearly not possible to do.

There are the obvious starter holes not currently on the books for 2024 ... [7 holes]

QB Cousins, LG Risner, LOLB Hunter, ROLB Wonnum, DE Bullard, ILB Hicks, K Joseph

There are back-up holes not currently on the books for 2024 ... [7 holes]

ROLB (Davenport), LT (Udoh), LG (Reed), C (Schlottmann), RT (Quessenberry), #3 WR (Osborn), #4 WR (Powell)

Plus RFA holes not on the books for 2024 ... [3 holes]

NT Tonga, RB Akers and maybe OL Brandel

There are holes that should be created by responsible GM planning ... [3 holes]

S Smith, DT/DE Lowry, C Bradbury ...

And there are non-financial holes occupied by starters that need to be upgraded (not yet mentioned) ...

QB Mullens, CB(s)

And then there is dead money that is shaped like a hole but weighs the cap down like a lead balloon.

So with the three cuts some are recommending, there are 10 (ten) vacant starting positions: QB Cousins, LG Risner, LOLB Hunter, ROLB Wonnum, DE Bullard, ILB Hicks, K Joseph, S Smith, DT/DE Lowry, C Bradbury.

There are also ten (10) vacant backup positions: ROLB (Davenport), LT (Udoh), LG (Reed), C (Schlottmann), RT (Quessenberry), #3 WR (Osborn), #4 WR (Powell), NT Tonga, RB Akers and maybe OL Brandel.

That looks like 10 starters and 10 backups need to be signed. $50 million isn't going to do it unless it's bargain basement/street urchins. AND JJ's contract is backloaded into the years where we might be competitive and need cap.

This is akin to Monopoly where someone who is low on money cashes in their hotels, houses, and property. They now have more money but have nothing to show for it.

Top 51 minus minimum contract that is factored in....
Reed, Schlottman, Powell, Quessberry, etc. signings may not change the cap but a couple to a few million....

Example: A 3 million contract wouldn't actually be 3 million against the cap---minimum is 800k. So it would be 2.2 million cap increase.

And apply the percentage of the 2023 to 2024 cap increase to those numbers. Actually to all the signings. Can't have it both ways.

It is already figured in...all 51 contracts at least at league minimum....drop any of them for a FA Signing and 800k is factored in...not sure what you are trying to get at.

Are you trying to make it look like they have less space to prove a point or do you want to show the facts? A $3 M FA signing that kicks off a min contract adds 2.2 M to the cap at worst depending on Signing Bonus, length of contract, etc.....

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Rumor is the salary cap is going from 224.8 to 250 million in 2024.

I think our 28M under figure is with a 242M salary cap.

So, it is going up 8M for everybody.

We can get to 60M under with JJ extension(actually lowers his cap number) and other common sense cuts. It will not be a surprise if we make a couple splashes early on in FA.

It would shock me.


OverThe Cap has us at $24.7. Subtract say $3.7 in dead cap for Cook & Co. for a beginning total of $21. There is Smith, Lowry, Bradbury totaling ~ $16. That brings the total to 21 + 16, or 38. Where is the other $22 million to get to $60 via a couple of common sense cuts?

You can include the projected $8 million cap bump for all teams but IMO that's a wash as everyone has it and it just means, like always, higher salaries.

And you have created empty starting spots at DE and C.

Spotrac starts with an adjusted total cap of $251.5 which is the going in allowable cap plus the 2023 rollover.


Anything is possible with enough cuts and void years. To be legit, take a look at the existing roster holes and new holes from your cuts, fill them with salaries for (just) average starters and a couple of your early splash signings (high $ during the initial frenzy), and pay 90% of all their salaries (which mirrors carrying $25M in dead cap if the total cap is $250M) in 2024. My guess is it is clearly not possible to do.

There are the obvious starter holes not currently on the books for 2024 ... [7 holes]

QB Cousins, LG Risner, LOLB Hunter, ROLB Wonnum, DE Bullard, ILB Hicks, K Joseph

There are back-up holes not currently on the books for 2024 ... [7 holes]

ROLB (Davenport), LT (Udoh), LG (Reed), C (Schlottmann), RT (Quessenberry), #3 WR (Osborn), #4 WR (Powell)

Plus RFA holes not on the books for 2024 ... [3 holes]

NT Tonga, RB Akers and maybe OL Brandel

There are holes that should be created by responsible GM planning ... [3 holes]

S Smith, DT/DE Lowry, C Bradbury ...

And there are non-financial holes occupied by starters that need to be upgraded (not yet mentioned) ...

QB Mullens, CB(s)

And then there is dead money that is shaped like a hole but weighs the cap down like a lead balloon.

So with the three cuts some are recommending, there are 10 (ten) vacant starting positions: QB Cousins, LG Risner, LOLB Hunter, ROLB Wonnum, DE Bullard, ILB Hicks, K Joseph, S Smith, DT/DE Lowry, C Bradbury.

There are also ten (10) vacant backup positions: ROLB (Davenport), LT (Udoh), LG (Reed), C (Schlottmann), RT (Quessenberry), #3 WR (Osborn), #4 WR (Powell), NT Tonga, RB Akers and maybe OL Brandel.

That looks like 10 starters and 10 backups need to be signed. $50 million isn't going to do it unless it's bargain basement/street urchins. AND JJ's contract is backloaded into the years where we might be competitive and need cap.

This is akin to Monopoly where someone who is low on money cashes in their hotels, houses, and property. They now have more money but have nothing to show for it.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Rumor is the salary cap is going from 224.8 to 250 million in 2024.

I think our 28M under figure is with a 242M salary cap.

So, it is going up 8M for everybody.

We can get to 60M under with JJ extension(actually lowers his cap number) and other common sense cuts. It will not be a surprise if we make a couple splashes early on in FA.

It would shock me.


OverThe Cap has us at $24.7. Subtract say $3.7 in dead cap for Cook & Co. for a beginning total of $21. There is Smith, Lowry, Bradbury totaling ~ $16. That brings the total to 21 + 16, or 38. Where is the other $22 million to get to $60 via a couple of common sense cuts?

You can include the projected $8 million cap bump for all teams but IMO that's a wash as everyone has it and it just means, like always, higher salaries.

And you have created empty starting spots at DE and C.

Spotrac starts with an adjusted total cap of $251.5 which is the going in allowable cap plus the 2023 rollover.


Anything is possible with enough cuts and void years. To be legit, take a look at the existing roster holes and new holes from your cuts, fill them with salaries for (just) average starters and a couple of your early splash signings (high $ during the initial frenzy), and pay 90% of all their salaries (which mirrors carrying $25M in dead cap if the total cap is $250M) in 2024. My guess is it is clearly not possible to do.

There are the obvious starter holes not currently on the books for 2024 ... [7 holes]

QB Cousins, LG Risner, LOLB Hunter, ROLB Wonnum, DE Bullard, ILB Hicks, K Joseph

There are back-up holes not currently on the books for 2024 ... [7 holes]

ROLB (Davenport), LT (Udoh), LG (Reed), C (Schlottmann), RT (Quessenberry), #3 WR (Osborn), #4 WR (Powell)

Plus RFA holes not on the books for 2024 ... [3 holes]

NT Tonga, RB Akers and maybe OL Brandel

There are holes that should be created by responsible GM planning ... [3 holes]

S Smith, DT/DE Lowry, C Bradbury ...

And there are non-financial holes occupied by starters that need to be upgraded (not yet mentioned) ...

QB Mullens, CB(s)

And then there is dead money that is shaped like a hole but weighs the cap down like a lead balloon.

So with the three cuts some are recommending, there are 10 (ten) vacant starting positions: QB Cousins, LG Risner, LOLB Hunter, ROLB Wonnum, DE Bullard, ILB Hicks, K Joseph, S Smith, DT/DE Lowry, C Bradbury.

There are also ten (10) vacant backup positions: ROLB (Davenport), LT (Udoh), LG (Reed), C (Schlottmann), RT (Quessenberry), #3 WR (Osborn), #4 WR (Powell), NT Tonga, RB Akers and maybe OL Brandel.

That looks like 10 starters and 10 backups need to be signed. $50 million isn't going to do it unless it's bargain basement/street urchins. AND JJ's contract is backloaded into the years where we might be competitive and need cap.

This is akin to Monopoly where someone who is low on money cashes in their hotels, houses, and property. They now have more money but have nothing to show for it.

It's almost ... biblical.

All we need is Edward G Robinson prancing around in sandals to make it so. Egyptians and chariots indeed!

Is it just me? Does that not seem like more turnover than usual?

EDIT: oh and add Theo Jackson to my list this morning of depth that needed signing. Because we just resigned him. So now its merely 10 / 10 holes to fill.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Rumor is the salary cap is going from 224.8 to 250 million in 2024.

I think our 28M under figure is with a 242M salary cap.

So, it is going up 8M for everybody.

We can get to 60M under with JJ extension(actually lowers his cap number) and other common sense cuts. It will not be a surprise if we make a couple splashes early on in FA.

It would shock me.


OverThe Cap has us at $24.7. Subtract say $3.7 in dead cap for Cook & Co. for a beginning total of $21. There is Smith, Lowry, Bradbury totaling ~ $16. That brings the total to 21 + 16, or 38. Where is the other $22 million to get to $60 via a couple of common sense cuts?

You can include the projected $8 million cap bump for all teams but IMO that's a wash as everyone has it and it just means, like always, higher salaries.

And you have created empty starting spots at DE and C.

Spotrac starts with an adjusted total cap of $251.5 which is the going in allowable cap plus the 2023 rollover.


Anything is possible with enough cuts and void years. To be legit, take a look at the existing roster holes and new holes from your cuts, fill them with salaries for (just) average starters and a couple of your early splash signings (high $ during the initial frenzy), and pay 90% of all their salaries (which mirrors carrying $25M in dead cap if the total cap is $250M) in 2024. My guess is it is clearly not possible to do.

There are the obvious starter holes not currently on the books for 2024 ... [7 holes]

QB Cousins, LG Risner, LOLB Hunter, ROLB Wonnum, DE Bullard, ILB Hicks, K Joseph

There are back-up holes not currently on the books for 2024 ... [7 holes]

ROLB (Davenport), LT (Udoh), LG (Reed), C (Schlottmann), RT (Quessenberry), #3 WR (Osborn), #4 WR (Powell)

Plus RFA holes not on the books for 2024 ... [3 holes]

NT Tonga, RB Akers and maybe OL Brandel

There are holes that should be created by responsible GM planning ... [3 holes]

S Smith, DT/DE Lowry, C Bradbury ...

And there are non-financial holes occupied by starters that need to be upgraded (not yet mentioned) ...

QB Mullens, CB(s)

And then there is dead money that is shaped like a hole but weighs the cap down like a lead balloon.

So with the three cuts some are recommending, there are 10 (ten) vacant starting positions: QB Cousins, LG Risner, LOLB Hunter, ROLB Wonnum, DE Bullard, ILB Hicks, K Joseph, S Smith, DT/DE Lowry, C Bradbury.

There are also ten (10) vacant backup positions: ROLB (Davenport), LT (Udoh), LG (Reed), C (Schlottmann), RT (Quessenberry), #3 WR (Osborn), #4 WR (Powell), NT Tonga, RB Akers and maybe OL Brandel.

That looks like 10 starters and 10 backups need to be signed. $50 million isn't going to do it unless it's bargain basement/street urchins. AND JJ's contract is backloaded into the years where we might be competitive and need cap.

This is akin to Monopoly where someone who is low on money cashes in their hotels, houses, and property. They now have more money but have nothing to show for it.

It's almost ... biblical.

All we need is Edward G Robinson prancing around in sandals to make it so. Egyptians and chariots indeed!

Is it just me? Does that not seem like more turnover than usual?

EDIT: oh and add Theo Jackson to my list this morning of depth that needed signing. Because we just resigned him. So now its merely 10 / 10 holes to fill.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Rumor is the salary cap is going from 224.8 to 250 million in 2024.

I think our 28M under figure is with a 242M salary cap.

So, it is going up 8M for everybody.

We can get to 60M under with JJ extension(actually lowers his cap number) and other common sense cuts. It will not be a surprise if we make a couple splashes early on in FA.

It would shock me.


OverThe Cap has us at $24.7. Subtract say $3.7 in dead cap for Cook & Co. for a beginning total of $21. There is Smith, Lowry, Bradbury totaling ~ $16. That brings the total to 21 + 16, or 38. Where is the other $22 million to get to $60 via a couple of common sense cuts?

You can include the projected $8 million cap bump for all teams but IMO that's a wash as everyone has it and it just means, like always, higher salaries.

And you have created empty starting spots at DE and C.

Spotrac starts with an adjusted total cap of $251.5 which is the going in allowable cap plus the 2023 rollover.


Anything is possible with enough cuts and void years. To be legit, take a look at the existing roster holes and new holes from your cuts, fill them with salaries for (just) average starters and a couple of your early splash signings (high $ during the initial frenzy), and pay 90% of all their salaries (which mirrors carrying $25M in dead cap if the total cap is $250M) in 2024. My guess is it is clearly not possible to do.

There are the obvious starter holes not currently on the books for 2024 ... [7 holes]

QB Cousins, LG Risner, LOLB Hunter, ROLB Wonnum, DE Bullard, ILB Hicks, K Joseph

There are back-up holes not currently on the books for 2024 ... [7 holes]

ROLB (Davenport), LT (Udoh), LG (Reed), C (Schlottmann), RT (Quessenberry), #3 WR (Osborn), #4 WR (Powell)

Plus RFA holes not on the books for 2024 ... [3 holes]

NT Tonga, RB Akers and maybe OL Brandel

There are holes that should be created by responsible GM planning ... [3 holes]

S Smith, DT/DE Lowry, C Bradbury ...

And there are non-financial holes occupied by starters that need to be upgraded (not yet mentioned) ...

QB Mullens, CB(s)

And then there is dead money that is shaped like a hole but weighs the cap down like a lead balloon.

So with the three cuts some are recommending, there are 10 (ten) vacant starting positions: QB Cousins, LG Risner, LOLB Hunter, ROLB Wonnum, DE Bullard, ILB Hicks, K Joseph, S Smith, DT/DE Lowry, C Bradbury.

There are also ten (10) vacant backup positions: ROLB (Davenport), LT (Udoh), LG (Reed), C (Schlottmann), RT (Quessenberry), #3 WR (Osborn), #4 WR (Powell), NT Tonga, RB Akers and maybe OL Brandel.

That looks like 10 starters and 10 backups need to be signed. $50 million isn't going to do it unless it's bargain basement/street urchins. AND JJ's contract is backloaded into the years where we might be competitive and need cap.

This is akin to Monopoly where someone who is low on money cashes in their hotels, houses, and property. They now have more money but have nothing to show for it.

It's almost ... biblical.

All we need is Edward G Robinson prancing around in sandals to make it so. Egyptians and chariots indeed!

Is it just me? Does that not seem like more turnover than usual?

EDIT: oh and add Theo Jackson to my list this morning of depth that needed signing. Because we just resigned him. So now its merely 10 / 10 holes to fill.

So does Yul Brynner play Kwesi or Ziggy?

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young
It looks like Phil is auditioning for queasy..
Smoke and mirrors.. slight of hand.. watch.. er…don't watch me double deal and bottom shuffle player contracts to make me look good..

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young
It looks like Phil is auditioning for queasy..
Smoke and mirrors.. slight of hand.. watch.. er…don't watch me double deal and bottom shuffle player contracts to make me look good..

Not auditioning for anything....Bill is trying to make it look like top 51 isn't at least the league minimum salary....yet he is wrong again. We have room to make moves just like last year and the year before. It has nothing to do with Theo Jackson; talk about slight of hand.

When you want to use Bill logic and pretend we have 500k of cap space---be my guess and then after we sign a few FA come in and talk about WOW how were we able to do that.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Rumor is the salary cap is going from 224.8 to 250 million in 2024.

I think our 28M under figure is with a 242M salary cap.

So, it is going up 8M for everybody.

We can get to 60M under with JJ extension(actually lowers his cap number) and other common sense cuts. It will not be a surprise if we make a couple splashes early on in FA.

It would shock me.


OverThe Cap has us at $24.7. Subtract say $3.7 in dead cap for Cook & Co. for a beginning total of $21. There is Smith, Lowry, Bradbury totaling ~ $16. That brings the total to 21 + 16, or 38. Where is the other $22 million to get to $60 via a couple of common sense cuts?

You can include the projected $8 million cap bump for all teams but IMO that's a wash as everyone has it and it just means, like always, higher salaries.

And you have created empty starting spots at DE and C.

Spotrac starts with an adjusted total cap of $251.5 which is the going in allowable cap plus the 2023 rollover.


Anything is possible with enough cuts and void years. To be legit, take a look at the existing roster holes and new holes from your cuts, fill them with salaries for (just) average starters and a couple of your early splash signings (high $ during the initial frenzy), and pay 90% of all their salaries (which mirrors carrying $25M in dead cap if the total cap is $250M) in 2024. My guess is it is clearly not possible to do.

There are the obvious starter holes not currently on the books for 2024 ... [7 holes]

QB Cousins, LG Risner, LOLB Hunter, ROLB Wonnum, DE Bullard, ILB Hicks, K Joseph

There are back-up holes not currently on the books for 2024 ... [7 holes]

ROLB (Davenport), LT (Udoh), LG (Reed), C (Schlottmann), RT (Quessenberry), #3 WR (Osborn), #4 WR (Powell)

Plus RFA holes not on the books for 2024 ... [3 holes]

NT Tonga, RB Akers and maybe OL Brandel

There are holes that should be created by responsible GM planning ... [3 holes]

S Smith, DT/DE Lowry, C Bradbury ...

And there are non-financial holes occupied by starters that need to be upgraded (not yet mentioned) ...

QB Mullens, CB(s)

And then there is dead money that is shaped like a hole but weighs the cap down like a lead balloon.

So with the three cuts some are recommending, there are 10 (ten) vacant starting positions: QB Cousins, LG Risner, LOLB Hunter, ROLB Wonnum, DE Bullard, ILB Hicks, K Joseph, S Smith, DT/DE Lowry, C Bradbury.

There are also ten (10) vacant backup positions: ROLB (Davenport), LT (Udoh), LG (Reed), C (Schlottmann), RT (Quessenberry), #3 WR (Osborn), #4 WR (Powell), NT Tonga, RB Akers and maybe OL Brandel.

That looks like 10 starters and 10 backups need to be signed. $50 million isn't going to do it unless it's bargain basement/street urchins. AND JJ's contract is backloaded into the years where we might be competitive and need cap.

This is akin to Monopoly where someone who is low on money cashes in their hotels, houses, and property. They now have more money but have nothing to show for it.

It's almost ... biblical.

All we need is Edward G Robinson prancing around in sandals to make it so. Egyptians and chariots indeed!

Is it just me? Does that not seem like more turnover than usual?

EDIT: oh and add Theo Jackson to my list this morning of depth that needed signing. Because we just resigned him. So now its merely 10 / 10 holes to fill.

So does Yul Brynner play Kwesi or Ziggy?

Nice. Yul plays Ziggy with a pair of those gag mustache and black glasses.

'Dont win too much, don't win too little ... etcetera etcetera etcetera.'

Charleton plays Kwesi as the snazziest Moses ever.

I can hear the burning bush now when he shows up, 'Sweet Fancy Moses!'

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Rumor is the salary cap is going from 224.8 to 250 million in 2024.

I think our 28M under figure is with a 242M salary cap.

So, it is going up 8M for everybody.

We can get to 60M under with JJ extension(actually lowers his cap number) and other common sense cuts. It will not be a surprise if we make a couple splashes early on in FA.

It would shock me.


OverThe Cap has us at $24.7. Subtract say $3.7 in dead cap for Cook & Co. for a beginning total of $21. There is Smith, Lowry, Bradbury totaling ~ $16. That brings the total to 21 + 16, or 38. Where is the other $22 million to get to $60 via a couple of common sense cuts?

You can include the projected $8 million cap bump for all teams but IMO that's a wash as everyone has it and it just means, like always, higher salaries.

And you have created empty starting spots at DE and C.

Spotrac starts with an adjusted total cap of $251.5 which is the going in allowable cap plus the 2023 rollover.


Anything is possible with enough cuts and void years. To be legit, take a look at the existing roster holes and new holes from your cuts, fill them with salaries for (just) average starters and a couple of your early splash signings (high $ during the initial frenzy), and pay 90% of all their salaries (which mirrors carrying $25M in dead cap if the total cap is $250M) in 2024. My guess is it is clearly not possible to do.

There are the obvious starter holes not currently on the books for 2024 ... [7 holes]

QB Cousins, LG Risner, LOLB Hunter, ROLB Wonnum, DE Bullard, ILB Hicks, K Joseph

There are back-up holes not currently on the books for 2024 ... [7 holes]

ROLB (Davenport), LT (Udoh), LG (Reed), C (Schlottmann), RT (Quessenberry), #3 WR (Osborn), #4 WR (Powell)

Plus RFA holes not on the books for 2024 ... [3 holes]

NT Tonga, RB Akers and maybe OL Brandel

There are holes that should be created by responsible GM planning ... [3 holes]

S Smith, DT/DE Lowry, C Bradbury ...

And there are non-financial holes occupied by starters that need to be upgraded (not yet mentioned) ...

QB Mullens, CB(s)

And then there is dead money that is shaped like a hole but weighs the cap down like a lead balloon.

So with the three cuts some are recommending, there are 10 (ten) vacant starting positions: QB Cousins, LG Risner, LOLB Hunter, ROLB Wonnum, DE Bullard, ILB Hicks, K Joseph, S Smith, DT/DE Lowry, C Bradbury.

There are also ten (10) vacant backup positions: ROLB (Davenport), LT (Udoh), LG (Reed), C (Schlottmann), RT (Quessenberry), #3 WR (Osborn), #4 WR (Powell), NT Tonga, RB Akers and maybe OL Brandel.

That looks like 10 starters and 10 backups need to be signed. $50 million isn't going to do it unless it's bargain basement/street urchins. AND JJ's contract is backloaded into the years where we might be competitive and need cap.

This is akin to Monopoly where someone who is low on money cashes in their hotels, houses, and property. They now have more money but have nothing to show for it.

It's almost ... biblical.

All we need is Edward G Robinson prancing around in sandals to make it so. Egyptians and chariots indeed!

Is it just me? Does that not seem like more turnover than usual?

EDIT: oh and add Theo Jackson to my list this morning of depth that needed signing. Because we just resigned him. So now its merely 10 / 10 holes to fill.

So does Yul Brynner play Kwesi or Ziggy?

Nice. Yul plays Ziggy with a pair of those gag mustache and black glasses.

'Dont win too much, don't win too little ... etcetera etcetera etcetera.'

Charleton plays Kwesi as the snazziest Moses ever.

I can hear the burning bush now when he shows up, 'Sweet Fancy Moses!'

It's hard to think of Yul Brynner and NOT think about the Magnificent Seven.

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It looks like Phil is auditioning for queasy..
Smoke and mirrors.. slight of hand.. watch.. er…don't watch me double deal and bottom shuffle player contracts to make me look good..

Not auditioning for anything....Bill is trying to make it look like top 51 isn't at least the league minimum salary....yet he is wrong again. We have room to make moves just like last year and the year before. It has nothing to do with Theo Jackson; talk about slight of hand.

When you want to use Bill logic and pretend we have 500k of cap space---be my guess and then after we sign a few FA come in and talk about WOW how were we able to do that.

Speaking for myself …
Sportrac addition and subtraction free agency does not equal what I see on the field in September.
Nipping here and tucking there for 60M in free cap space is … not likely at all … but we’ll see.
These baseline numbers we see on similar sites are basic snapshots not relevant to the team’s financial planning. Which we can’t know because it would be devastating to the competitive advantage of the team’s planning if it did get out.
Then there’s the whole competency factor of what we do with that planning … last year the discussion was releasing Kendricks Thielen Dantzler to increase our buying power for Davenport Murphy Oliver Lowry Mullens Bradbury. What a windfall that was!

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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Rumor is the salary cap is going from 224.8 to 250 million in 2024.

I think our 28M under figure is with a 242M salary cap.

So, it is going up 8M for everybody.

We can get to 60M under with JJ extension(actually lowers his cap number) and other common sense cuts. It will not be a surprise if we make a couple splashes early on in FA.

It would shock me.


OverThe Cap has us at $24.7. Subtract say $3.7 in dead cap for Cook & Co. for a beginning total of $21. There is Smith, Lowry, Bradbury totaling ~ $16. That brings the total to 21 + 16, or 38. Where is the other $22 million to get to $60 via a couple of common sense cuts?

You can include the projected $8 million cap bump for all teams but IMO that's a wash as everyone has it and it just means, like always, higher salaries.

And you have created empty starting spots at DE and C.

Spotrac starts with an adjusted total cap of $251.5 which is the going in allowable cap plus the 2023 rollover.


Anything is possible with enough cuts and void years. To be legit, take a look at the existing roster holes and new holes from your cuts, fill them with salaries for (just) average starters and a couple of your early splash signings (high $ during the initial frenzy), and pay 90% of all their salaries (which mirrors carrying $25M in dead cap if the total cap is $250M) in 2024. My guess is it is clearly not possible to do.

There are the obvious starter holes not currently on the books for 2024 ... [7 holes]

QB Cousins, LG Risner, LOLB Hunter, ROLB Wonnum, DE Bullard, ILB Hicks, K Joseph

There are back-up holes not currently on the books for 2024 ... [7 holes]

ROLB (Davenport), LT (Udoh), LG (Reed), C (Schlottmann), RT (Quessenberry), #3 WR (Osborn), #4 WR (Powell)

Plus RFA holes not on the books for 2024 ... [3 holes]

NT Tonga, RB Akers and maybe OL Brandel

There are holes that should be created by responsible GM planning ... [3 holes]

S Smith, DT/DE Lowry, C Bradbury ...

And there are non-financial holes occupied by starters that need to be upgraded (not yet mentioned) ...

QB Mullens, CB(s)

And then there is dead money that is shaped like a hole but weighs the cap down like a lead balloon.

So with the three cuts some are recommending, there are 10 (ten) vacant starting positions: QB Cousins, LG Risner, LOLB Hunter, ROLB Wonnum, DE Bullard, ILB Hicks, K Joseph, S Smith, DT/DE Lowry, C Bradbury.

There are also ten (10) vacant backup positions: ROLB (Davenport), LT (Udoh), LG (Reed), C (Schlottmann), RT (Quessenberry), #3 WR (Osborn), #4 WR (Powell), NT Tonga, RB Akers and maybe OL Brandel.

That looks like 10 starters and 10 backups need to be signed. $50 million isn't going to do it unless it's bargain basement/street urchins. AND JJ's contract is backloaded into the years where we might be competitive and need cap.

This is akin to Monopoly where someone who is low on money cashes in their hotels, houses, and property. They now have more money but have nothing to show for it.

It's almost ... biblical.

All we need is Edward G Robinson prancing around in sandals to make it so. Egyptians and chariots indeed!

Is it just me? Does that not seem like more turnover than usual?

EDIT: oh and add Theo Jackson to my list this morning of depth that needed signing. Because we just resigned him. So now its merely 10 / 10 holes to fill.

So does Yul Brynner play Kwesi or Ziggy?

Nice. Yul plays Ziggy with a pair of those gag mustache and black glasses.

'Dont win too much, don't win too little ... etcetera etcetera etcetera.'

Charleton plays Kwesi as the snazziest Moses ever.

I can hear the burning bush now when he shows up, 'Sweet Fancy Moses!'

It's hard to think of Yul Brynner and NOT think about the Magnificent Seven.

No kidding. Haven’t watched that in a long long time. Russia cowboy lol.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Umm...take a look at Sportract to the right....it has the right salary cap. Top 51 with every contract at least the league minimum.
Whatever on the players they sign up to 90. Whatever, change goal posts to Theo because you were wrong....

MINNESOTA VIKINGS CAP TOTALS
Adjusted Salary Cap
$251,459,126
Active Contracts:
$213,083,580
Dead Cap:
$10,307,539
2023 Rollover:
$8,959,126
Total (All):
$223,391,119
Total (Top 51):
$223,391,119
Est. Cap Space (All):
$28,068,007
Est. Cap Space (Top 51):
$28,068,007

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

It looks like Phil is auditioning for queasy..

Smoke and mirrors.. slight of hand.. watch.. er…don't watch me double deal and bottom shuffle player contracts to make me look good..

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young
It looks like Phil is auditioning for queasy..
Smoke and mirrors.. slight of hand.. watch.. er…don't watch me double deal and bottom shuffle player contracts to make me look good..

Not auditioning for anything....Bill is trying to make it look like top 51 isn't at least the league minimum salary....yet he is wrong again. We have room to make moves just like last year and the year before. It has nothing to do with Theo Jackson; talk about slight of hand.

When you want to use Bill logic and pretend we have 500k of cap space---be my guess and then after we sign a few FA come in and talk about WOW how were we able to do that.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young
It looks like Phil is auditioning for queasy..
Smoke and mirrors.. slight of hand.. watch.. er…don't watch me double deal and bottom shuffle player contracts to make me look good..

Not auditioning for anything....Bill is trying to make it look like top 51 isn't at least the league minimum salary....yet he is wrong again. We have room to make moves just like last year and the year before. It has nothing to do with Theo Jackson; talk about slight of hand.

When you want to use Bill logic and pretend we have 500k of cap space---be my guess and then after we sign a few FA come in and talk about WOW how were we able to do that.

Speaking for myself …
Sportrac addition and subtraction free agency does not equal what I see on the field in September.
Nipping here and tucking there for 60M in free cap space is … not likely at all … but we’ll see.
These baseline numbers we see on similar sites are basic snapshots not relevant to the team’s financial planning. Which we can’t know because it would be devastating to the competitive advantage of the team’s planning if it did get out.
Then there’s the whole competency factor of what we do with that planning … last year the discussion was releasing Kendricks Thielen Dantzler to increase our buying power for Davenport Murphy Oliver Lowry Mullens Bradbury. What a windfall that was!

I don't think anyone disagreed on the majority of those listed---but that had nothing to do with cap room just picking the wrong FAs. I believe they had about 15-18 M available last year after cutting Zed,Thielen and Kendricks. The link I read said 2.8 million cap space available on March 19th.

https://dknetwork.draftkings.com/2023/3/13/23624295/minnesota-vikings-salary-cap-space-2023-contracts-free-agents-player-signings

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

"...be my guess and then after we sign a few FA come in and talk about WOW how were we able to do that."


To make a point, I presume "a few FA" and "WOW" means a few upper/top tier FAs.

Even if that were the case, ANYTHING can be done with enough accounting BS, backloaded money, and void years.

Color me not impressed if there is some splash that they can't pay for. But why worry, we're fine. Phil said so!

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I just don't get into cap manipulation.


What I would like the Vikings to do...and I know that this might mean a couple of lean years, is no more void years, no more bonuses that count against later years caps etc etc etc. Stop letting dead cap money handcuff your cap. Draft a QB this year and suffer through him starting. DO NOT bring Cousins back for more than $30 mil a year, Or $20 mill a year. If he will come back for $12 mil for one year and no pushing out money...I'd be ok with that. Let Hunter walk. Since we are accepting the suck for the next couple years, get what you can for JJ and build from there.

In the draft this year there should be no consideration of MOVING DOWN. I've had enough of that shit. Speilmann did that a lot, Kwesi is doing it too much too....

Get rid of aging and dead weight and build a real champion unhampered by salary cap burdens.

It's time to hit the reset button on the cap.

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I just don't get into cap manipulation.


What I would like the Vikings to do...and I know that this might mean a couple of lean years, is no more void years, no more bonuses that count against later years caps etc etc etc. Stop letting dead cap money handcuff your cap. Draft a QB this year and suffer through him starting. DO NOT bring Cousins back for more than $30 mil a year, Or $20 mill a year. If he will come back for $12 mil for one year and no pushing out money...I'd be ok with that. Let Hunter walk. Since we are accepting the suck for the next couple years, get what you can for JJ and build from there.

In the draft this year there should be no consideration of MOVING DOWN. I've had enough of that shit. Speilmann did that a lot, Kwesi is doing it too much too....

Get rid of aging and dead weight and build a real champion unhampered by salary cap burdens.

It's time to hit the reset button on the cap.

Most of what you’re saying makes as much sense as anything else. And certainly more than what we’ve been doing.

Even without cleaning house completely, not resigning Cousins or splurging on top contract TEs RBs Ss … if we just keep our hands clean a little bit … 2025 could be a huge launch point for the franchise. (not with kwevin imo unless they show a hyperdrive gear this offseason [making saavy decisions] that they haven’t shown to this point).

We have like 24 players on the roster in 2025 … 24 players! And enormous cap space. JJ will obviousy warp that considerably.

If we just don’t shoot ourselves in the foot OVER AND OVER AGAIN this offseason, the full-on tankers and the wishy-washy tankers like myself coud be at the dooorstep of raised expectations.