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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/20/2024 12:02:07 PM

Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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There was a joke apparently called Bubble Screen Bo....more information:

27.6% of Nix’s passing attempts were thrown behind the line of scrimmage with a completion rate of 95.5%. 39.4% of his passing attempts were between 0-9 yards downfield with a completion rate of 82.8%.

7.0 ADOT is pretty low and the only notable QB with a lower figure is Cade Klubnik at 6.9. UAB’s Jacob Zeno had CFB’s lowest ADOT at 5.5 yards. Highest in the P5 was Jalen Milroe at 13.9.

Other QB’s ADOT for reference:

Michael Penix: 11.3
Jayden Daniels: 10.5
Caleb Williams: 9.2
Quinn Ewers: 8.4
Carson Beck: 8.5
Shedeur Sanders: 8.5
JJ McCarthy: 10.3
Drake Maye: 11.0

Bo Nix still did incredibly well when throwing the ball greater than 10 yards. He had 26 TDs and 2 interceptions on those throws.

Thank you Phil. Just because he didn't throw deep very often doesn't mean he can't. He ran the offense presented by his coach to perfection.

"Bo Nix still did incredibly well when throwing the ball greater than 10 yards. He had 26 TDs and 2 interceptions on those throws."

Which is part of the result of throwing it short all the time and pulling the defense in. You'd have to include defensive coverages that the QBs were throwing into for a meaningful ADOT.

And a bunch of other variables.

"Just because he didn't throw deep very often doesn't mean he can't. He ran the offense presented by his coach to perfection."

So you agree with the arguments for McCarthy? Interesting.

< Message edited by Tom Sykes -- 3/20/2024 12:07:31 PM >

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/20/2024 12:12:14 PM

Richard Neussendorfer

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He’s unimpressive. Limited arm talent.

LMMFAO. You're parroting his haters.
Here's his combine. Plenty of arm talent. I'm all in on him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmp4PdN8H40
and his pro day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rvi4hOx5JNM

45 TDs 3 Ints. I'm good with a 15-1 TD to Int ratio.

How's Dillon Mitchell doing?

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/20/2024 12:19:20 PM

David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

There was a joke apparently called Bubble Screen Bo....more information:

27.6% of Nix’s passing attempts were thrown behind the line of scrimmage with a completion rate of 95.5%. 39.4% of his passing attempts were between 0-9 yards downfield with a completion rate of 82.8%.

7.0 ADOT is pretty low and the only notable QB with a lower figure is Cade Klubnik at 6.9. UAB’s Jacob Zeno had CFB’s lowest ADOT at 5.5 yards. Highest in the P5 was Jalen Milroe at 13.9.

Other QB’s ADOT for reference:

Michael Penix: 11.3
Jayden Daniels: 10.5
Caleb Williams: 9.2
Quinn Ewers: 8.4
Carson Beck: 8.5
Shedeur Sanders: 8.5
JJ McCarthy: 10.3
Drake Maye: 11.0

Bo Nix still did incredibly well when throwing the ball greater than 10 yards. He had 26 TDs and 2 interceptions on those throws.

Thank you Phil. Just because he didn't throw deep very often doesn't mean he can't. He ran the offense presented by his coach to perfection.

"Bo Nix still did incredibly well when throwing the ball greater than 10 yards. He had 26 TDs and 2 interceptions on those throws."

Which is part of the result of throwing it short all the time and pulling the defense in. You'd have to include defensive coverages that the QBs were throwing into for a meaningful ADOT.

And a bunch of other variables.

"Just because he didn't throw deep very often doesn't mean he can't. He ran the offense presented by his coach to perfection."

So you agree with the arguments for McCarthy? Interesting.

That's where my questions are.

Can he read a defense and execute a normal offense that isn't based primarily on screens and RPOs? Can he go through his progressions?

There is no doubt he was a master of the offense he ran. But it wasn't anything like an NFL offense.

Based on raw stats, you could argue he should be the #1 overall pick, yet he's the 6th QB for the majority of experts.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/20/2024 12:24:50 PM

Daniel Lee Young

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I want to echo the **** Hebert, take.

I’m sick and tired of paying huge dollars out the gate for someone who got a monster contract based on coulda… shoulda…

We need to draft a QB, wotk him into the offense and see if he is what we need.

If not try again.. tying cap up to “ maybe” get a guy.. has proven to hamstring everything else, including keeping our own players with talent and upside..

I can not believe people want to go from one albatross contract to another..

Fu@# that noise.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/20/2024 12:25:20 PM

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Based on accuracy of throws, Nix might be like Brady, and gets overlooked by many teams.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/20/2024 12:34:15 PM

Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

There was a joke apparently called Bubble Screen Bo....more information:

27.6% of Nix’s passing attempts were thrown behind the line of scrimmage with a completion rate of 95.5%. 39.4% of his passing attempts were between 0-9 yards downfield with a completion rate of 82.8%.

7.0 ADOT is pretty low and the only notable QB with a lower figure is Cade Klubnik at 6.9. UAB’s Jacob Zeno had CFB’s lowest ADOT at 5.5 yards. Highest in the P5 was Jalen Milroe at 13.9.

Other QB’s ADOT for reference:

Michael Penix: 11.3
Jayden Daniels: 10.5
Caleb Williams: 9.2
Quinn Ewers: 8.4
Carson Beck: 8.5
Shedeur Sanders: 8.5
JJ McCarthy: 10.3
Drake Maye: 11.0

Bo Nix still did incredibly well when throwing the ball greater than 10 yards. He had 26 TDs and 2 interceptions on those throws.

Thank you Phil. Just because he didn't throw deep very often doesn't mean he can't. He ran the offense presented by his coach to perfection.

"Bo Nix still did incredibly well when throwing the ball greater than 10 yards. He had 26 TDs and 2 interceptions on those throws."

Which is part of the result of throwing it short all the time and pulling the defense in. You'd have to include defensive coverages that the QBs were throwing into for a meaningful ADOT.

And a bunch of other variables.

"Just because he didn't throw deep very often doesn't mean he can't. He ran the offense presented by his coach to perfection."

So you agree with the arguments for McCarthy? Interesting.

That's where my questions are.

Can he read a defense and execute a normal offense that isn't based primarily on screens and RPOs? Can he go through his progressions?

There is no doubt he was a master of the offense he ran. But it wasn't anything like an NFL offense.

Based on raw stats, you could argue he should be the #1 overall pick, yet he's the 6th QB for the majority of experts.

He was atrocious at Auburn. The questions are good ones imo.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/20/2024 12:34:26 PM

Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

There was a joke apparently called Bubble Screen Bo....more information:

27.6% of Nix’s passing attempts were thrown behind the line of scrimmage with a completion rate of 95.5%. 39.4% of his passing attempts were between 0-9 yards downfield with a completion rate of 82.8%.

7.0 ADOT is pretty low and the only notable QB with a lower figure is Cade Klubnik at 6.9. UAB’s Jacob Zeno had CFB’s lowest ADOT at 5.5 yards. Highest in the P5 was Jalen Milroe at 13.9.

Other QB’s ADOT for reference:

Michael Penix: 11.3
Jayden Daniels: 10.5
Caleb Williams: 9.2
Quinn Ewers: 8.4
Carson Beck: 8.5
Shedeur Sanders: 8.5
JJ McCarthy: 10.3
Drake Maye: 11.0

Bo Nix still did incredibly well when throwing the ball greater than 10 yards. He had 26 TDs and 2 interceptions on those throws.

Thank you Phil. Just because he didn't throw deep very often doesn't mean he can't. He ran the offense presented by his coach to perfection.

"Bo Nix still did incredibly well when throwing the ball greater than 10 yards. He had 26 TDs and 2 interceptions on those throws."

Which is part of the result of throwing it short all the time and pulling the defense in. You'd have to include defensive coverages that the QBs were throwing into for a meaningful ADOT.

And a bunch of other variables.

"Just because he didn't throw deep very often doesn't mean he can't. He ran the offense presented by his coach to perfection."

So you agree with the arguments for McCarthy? Interesting.

That's where my questions are.

Can he read a defense and execute a normal offense that isn't based primarily on screens and RPOs? Can he go through his progressions?

There is no doubt he was a master of the offense he ran. But it wasn't anything like an NFL offense.

Based on raw stats, you could argue he should be the #1 overall pick, yet he's the 6th QB for the majority of experts.

Maybe experts should always be in italics. It made me think a good expert probably has a similar avg to a good MLB batting avg. - but obviously I don't don't know their averages, just know no one has the market on picking a HOF QB out of college

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/20/2024 12:44:15 PM

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I am less concerned about elite arm strength, elite accuracy, however they are important yes. I'm more concerned about the ability reading a defense, quick release, leadership, taking command of the offense, intangibles, awareness and playing big in big games.
We need a QB that is better than Kirk or we need to keep drafting possibilities. We should draft a QB every year. Kirk was not generally aware at times and often did not play big when you needed your QB to deliver on the big stage. It's hard to find but required. If we swing and miss we try again until we hit. Even if we have to lose 4 straight years or find a diamond later on in the draft hen it's a small price to pay to be in contention for the next 12-14 years. QB is the only position that matters the rest as we see this offseason can easily be bought.

Also Herbert Is probably a terrible choice. He already makes a huge salary. Young QB's often can win SB's before they get to killing the cap halfway through their second contract.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/20/2024 12:45:05 PM

Todd M

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Kwesi did say that he could find the next Mahommes better than any of his peers.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/20/2024 12:45:08 PM

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

There was a joke apparently called Bubble Screen Bo....more information:

27.6% of Nix’s passing attempts were thrown behind the line of scrimmage with a completion rate of 95.5%. 39.4% of his passing attempts were between 0-9 yards downfield with a completion rate of 82.8%.

7.0 ADOT is pretty low and the only notable QB with a lower figure is Cade Klubnik at 6.9. UAB’s Jacob Zeno had CFB’s lowest ADOT at 5.5 yards. Highest in the P5 was Jalen Milroe at 13.9.

Other QB’s ADOT for reference:

Michael Penix: 11.3
Jayden Daniels: 10.5
Caleb Williams: 9.2
Quinn Ewers: 8.4
Carson Beck: 8.5
Shedeur Sanders: 8.5
JJ McCarthy: 10.3
Drake Maye: 11.0

Bo Nix still did incredibly well when throwing the ball greater than 10 yards. He had 26 TDs and 2 interceptions on those throws.

Thank you Phil. Just because he didn't throw deep very often doesn't mean he can't. He ran the offense presented by his coach to perfection.

"Bo Nix still did incredibly well when throwing the ball greater than 10 yards. He had 26 TDs and 2 interceptions on those throws."

Which is part of the result of throwing it short all the time and pulling the defense in. You'd have to include defensive coverages that the QBs were throwing into for a meaningful ADOT.

And a bunch of other variables.

"Just because he didn't throw deep very often doesn't mean he can't. He ran the offense presented by his coach to perfection."

So you agree with the arguments for McCarthy? Interesting.

That's where my questions are.

Can he read a defense and execute a normal offense that isn't based primarily on screens and RPOs? Can he go through his progressions?

There is no doubt he was a master of the offense he ran. But it wasn't anything like an NFL offense.

Based on raw stats, you could argue he should be the #1 overall pick, yet he's the 6th QB for the majority of experts.

He was atrocious at Auburn. The questions are good ones imo.

He was so atrocious at Auburn that he was the SEC freshman of the year. Man that's atrocious. How good or atrocious he was at Auburn is meaningless. Ancient history.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/20/2024 12:46:22 PM

Ricky J

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Kwesi did say that he could find the next Mahommes better than any of his peers.

Stands as good a chance as anyone

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/20/2024 12:47:16 PM

Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

There was a joke apparently called Bubble Screen Bo....more information:

27.6% of Nix’s passing attempts were thrown behind the line of scrimmage with a completion rate of 95.5%. 39.4% of his passing attempts were between 0-9 yards downfield with a completion rate of 82.8%.

7.0 ADOT is pretty low and the only notable QB with a lower figure is Cade Klubnik at 6.9. UAB’s Jacob Zeno had CFB’s lowest ADOT at 5.5 yards. Highest in the P5 was Jalen Milroe at 13.9.

Other QB’s ADOT for reference:

Michael Penix: 11.3
Jayden Daniels: 10.5
Caleb Williams: 9.2
Quinn Ewers: 8.4
Carson Beck: 8.5
Shedeur Sanders: 8.5
JJ McCarthy: 10.3
Drake Maye: 11.0

Bo Nix still did incredibly well when throwing the ball greater than 10 yards. He had 26 TDs and 2 interceptions on those throws.

Thank you Phil. Just because he didn't throw deep very often doesn't mean he can't. He ran the offense presented by his coach to perfection.

"Bo Nix still did incredibly well when throwing the ball greater than 10 yards. He had 26 TDs and 2 interceptions on those throws."

Which is part of the result of throwing it short all the time and pulling the defense in. You'd have to include defensive coverages that the QBs were throwing into for a meaningful ADOT.

And a bunch of other variables.

"Just because he didn't throw deep very often doesn't mean he can't. He ran the offense presented by his coach to perfection."

So you agree with the arguments for McCarthy? Interesting.

That's where my questions are.

Can he read a defense and execute a normal offense that isn't based primarily on screens and RPOs? Can he go through his progressions?

There is no doubt he was a master of the offense he ran. But it wasn't anything like an NFL offense.

Based on raw stats, you could argue he should be the #1 overall pick, yet he's the 6th QB for the majority of experts.

He was atrocious at Auburn. The questions are good ones imo.

He was so atrocious at Auburn that he was the SEC freshman of the year. Man that's atrocious. How good or atrocious he was at Auburn is meaningless. Ancient history.

He didn't live up to the hype. Not even close. Who cares about a meaningless award. He may be good but he's definitely a guy with questions. Lots of Oregon guys come in and do squat.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/20/2024 12:47:42 PM

Todd M

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Kwesi did say that he could find the next Mahommes better than any of his peers.

“I don’t believe that I can pick the next Pat Mahomes that much better than anybody. If you give me five chances, I think we’d be better and we’d get four out of five rather than (others’) three out of five. But one shot, your odds are at best 65 percent, so they study this.”

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/20/2024 12:49:04 PM

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

There was a joke apparently called Bubble Screen Bo....more information:

27.6% of Nix’s passing attempts were thrown behind the line of scrimmage with a completion rate of 95.5%. 39.4% of his passing attempts were between 0-9 yards downfield with a completion rate of 82.8%.

7.0 ADOT is pretty low and the only notable QB with a lower figure is Cade Klubnik at 6.9. UAB’s Jacob Zeno had CFB’s lowest ADOT at 5.5 yards. Highest in the P5 was Jalen Milroe at 13.9.

Other QB’s ADOT for reference:

Michael Penix: 11.3
Jayden Daniels: 10.5
Caleb Williams: 9.2
Quinn Ewers: 8.4
Carson Beck: 8.5
Shedeur Sanders: 8.5
JJ McCarthy: 10.3
Drake Maye: 11.0

Bo Nix still did incredibly well when throwing the ball greater than 10 yards. He had 26 TDs and 2 interceptions on those throws.

Thank you Phil. Just because he didn't throw deep very often doesn't mean he can't. He ran the offense presented by his coach to perfection.

"Bo Nix still did incredibly well when throwing the ball greater than 10 yards. He had 26 TDs and 2 interceptions on those throws."

Which is part of the result of throwing it short all the time and pulling the defense in. You'd have to include defensive coverages that the QBs were throwing into for a meaningful ADOT.

And a bunch of other variables.

"Just because he didn't throw deep very often doesn't mean he can't. He ran the offense presented by his coach to perfection."

So you agree with the arguments for McCarthy? Interesting.

That's where my questions are.

Can he read a defense and execute a normal offense that isn't based primarily on screens and RPOs? Can he go through his progressions?

There is no doubt he was a master of the offense he ran. But it wasn't anything like an NFL offense.

Based on raw stats, you could argue he should be the #1 overall pick, yet he's the 6th QB for the majority of experts.

He was atrocious at Auburn. The questions are good ones imo.

He was so atrocious at Auburn that he was the SEC freshman of the year. Man that's atrocious. How good or atrocious he was at Auburn is meaningless. Ancient history.

He didn't live up to the hype. Not even close. Who cares about a meaningless award. He may be good but he's definitely a guy with questions. Lots of Oregon guys come in and do squat.

Are any of the Oregon players who did squat named Bo Nix? If not how anybody else from Oregon did is irrelevant. Nix will do what he does. Not what Herbert or Mitchell did. Could he bust? Absolutely. So could Caleb Williams, Drake Maye, JJ McCarthy, Micheal Penix and Jayden Daniels.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/20/2024 12:51:17 PM

Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

There was a joke apparently called Bubble Screen Bo....more information:

27.6% of Nix’s passing attempts were thrown behind the line of scrimmage with a completion rate of 95.5%. 39.4% of his passing attempts were between 0-9 yards downfield with a completion rate of 82.8%.

7.0 ADOT is pretty low and the only notable QB with a lower figure is Cade Klubnik at 6.9. UAB’s Jacob Zeno had CFB’s lowest ADOT at 5.5 yards. Highest in the P5 was Jalen Milroe at 13.9.

Other QB’s ADOT for reference:

Michael Penix: 11.3
Jayden Daniels: 10.5
Caleb Williams: 9.2
Quinn Ewers: 8.4
Carson Beck: 8.5
Shedeur Sanders: 8.5
JJ McCarthy: 10.3
Drake Maye: 11.0

Bo Nix still did incredibly well when throwing the ball greater than 10 yards. He had 26 TDs and 2 interceptions on those throws.

Thank you Phil. Just because he didn't throw deep very often doesn't mean he can't. He ran the offense presented by his coach to perfection.

"Bo Nix still did incredibly well when throwing the ball greater than 10 yards. He had 26 TDs and 2 interceptions on those throws."

Which is part of the result of throwing it short all the time and pulling the defense in. You'd have to include defensive coverages that the QBs were throwing into for a meaningful ADOT.

And a bunch of other variables.

"Just because he didn't throw deep very often doesn't mean he can't. He ran the offense presented by his coach to perfection."

So you agree with the arguments for McCarthy? Interesting.

That's where my questions are.

Can he read a defense and execute a normal offense that isn't based primarily on screens and RPOs? Can he go through his progressions?

There is no doubt he was a master of the offense he ran. But it wasn't anything like an NFL offense.

Based on raw stats, you could argue he should be the #1 overall pick, yet he's the 6th QB for the majority of experts.

He was atrocious at Auburn. The questions are good ones imo.

He was so atrocious at Auburn that he was the SEC freshman of the year. Man that's atrocious. How good or atrocious he was at Auburn is meaningless. Ancient history.

He didn't live up to the hype. Not even close. Who cares about a meaningless award. He may be good but he's definitely a guy with questions. Lots of Oregon guys come in and do squat.

Are any of the Oregon players who did squat named Bo Nix? If not how anybody else from Oregon did is irrelevant. Nix will do what he does. Not what Herbert or Mitchell did.

They've always had an offense that gets good plays out of swing passes and they seem to have a good running game most of the time. The questions are relevant about him. Now that you're declaring him the next great one I'd definitely think twice about drafting him.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/20/2024 12:52:44 PM

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If we end up with Nix Six Kwesi will have failed.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/20/2024 12:53:12 PM

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

There was a joke apparently called Bubble Screen Bo....more information:

27.6% of Nix’s passing attempts were thrown behind the line of scrimmage with a completion rate of 95.5%. 39.4% of his passing attempts were between 0-9 yards downfield with a completion rate of 82.8%.

7.0 ADOT is pretty low and the only notable QB with a lower figure is Cade Klubnik at 6.9. UAB’s Jacob Zeno had CFB’s lowest ADOT at 5.5 yards. Highest in the P5 was Jalen Milroe at 13.9.

Other QB’s ADOT for reference:

Michael Penix: 11.3
Jayden Daniels: 10.5
Caleb Williams: 9.2
Quinn Ewers: 8.4
Carson Beck: 8.5
Shedeur Sanders: 8.5
JJ McCarthy: 10.3
Drake Maye: 11.0

Bo Nix still did incredibly well when throwing the ball greater than 10 yards. He had 26 TDs and 2 interceptions on those throws.

Thank you Phil. Just because he didn't throw deep very often doesn't mean he can't. He ran the offense presented by his coach to perfection.

"Bo Nix still did incredibly well when throwing the ball greater than 10 yards. He had 26 TDs and 2 interceptions on those throws."

Which is part of the result of throwing it short all the time and pulling the defense in. You'd have to include defensive coverages that the QBs were throwing into for a meaningful ADOT.

And a bunch of other variables.

"Just because he didn't throw deep very often doesn't mean he can't. He ran the offense presented by his coach to perfection."

So you agree with the arguments for McCarthy? Interesting.

That's where my questions are.

Can he read a defense and execute a normal offense that isn't based primarily on screens and RPOs? Can he go through his progressions?

There is no doubt he was a master of the offense he ran. But it wasn't anything like an NFL offense.

Based on raw stats, you could argue he should be the #1 overall pick, yet he's the 6th QB for the majority of experts.

He was atrocious at Auburn. The questions are good ones imo.

He was so atrocious at Auburn that he was the SEC freshman of the year. Man that's atrocious. How good or atrocious he was at Auburn is meaningless. Ancient history.

He didn't live up to the hype. Not even close. Who cares about a meaningless award. He may be good but he's definitely a guy with questions. Lots of Oregon guys come in and do squat.

Are any of the Oregon players who did squat named Bo Nix? If not how anybody else from Oregon did is irrelevant. Nix will do what he does. Not what Herbert or Mitchell did.

They've always had an offense that gets good plays out of swing passes and they seem to have a good running game most of the time. The questions are relevant about him. Now that you're declaring him the next great one I'd definitely think twice about drafting him.

I'm not declaring him great. Not at all. I'm declaring him every bit as good a prospect as Maye and McCarthy. All three will probably never come close to being as good as Kirk.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/20/2024 12:54:40 PM

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If we end up with Nix Six Kwesi will have failed.

Kwesi will have succeeded. Get us one of the best prospects in the draft and still have another first round pick to get another.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/20/2024 12:56:43 PM

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There was a joke apparently called Bubble Screen Bo....more information:

27.6% of Nix’s passing attempts were thrown behind the line of scrimmage with a completion rate of 95.5%. 39.4% of his passing attempts were between 0-9 yards downfield with a completion rate of 82.8%.

7.0 ADOT is pretty low and the only notable QB with a lower figure is Cade Klubnik at 6.9. UAB’s Jacob Zeno had CFB’s lowest ADOT at 5.5 yards. Highest in the P5 was Jalen Milroe at 13.9.

Other QB’s ADOT for reference:

Michael Penix: 11.3
Jayden Daniels: 10.5
Caleb Williams: 9.2
Quinn Ewers: 8.4
Carson Beck: 8.5
Shedeur Sanders: 8.5
JJ McCarthy: 10.3
Drake Maye: 11.0

Bo Nix still did incredibly well when throwing the ball greater than 10 yards. He had 26 TDs and 2 interceptions on those throws.

Thank you Phil. Just because he didn't throw deep very often doesn't mean he can't. He ran the offense presented by his coach to perfection.

"Bo Nix still did incredibly well when throwing the ball greater than 10 yards. He had 26 TDs and 2 interceptions on those throws."

Which is part of the result of throwing it short all the time and pulling the defense in. You'd have to include defensive coverages that the QBs were throwing into for a meaningful ADOT.

And a bunch of other variables.

"Just because he didn't throw deep very often doesn't mean he can't. He ran the offense presented by his coach to perfection."

So you agree with the arguments for McCarthy? Interesting.

That's where my questions are.

Can he read a defense and execute a normal offense that isn't based primarily on screens and RPOs? Can he go through his progressions?

There is no doubt he was a master of the offense he ran. But it wasn't anything like an NFL offense.

Based on raw stats, you could argue he should be the #1 overall pick, yet he's the 6th QB for the majority of experts.

He was atrocious at Auburn. The questions are good ones imo.

He was so atrocious at Auburn that he was the SEC freshman of the year. Man that's atrocious. How good or atrocious he was at Auburn is meaningless. Ancient history.

He didn't live up to the hype. Not even close. Who cares about a meaningless award. He may be good but he's definitely a guy with questions. Lots of Oregon guys come in and do squat.

Are any of the Oregon players who did squat named Bo Nix? If not how anybody else from Oregon did is irrelevant. Nix will do what he does. Not what Herbert or Mitchell did.

They've always had an offense that gets good plays out of swing passes and they seem to have a good running game most of the time. The questions are relevant about him. Now that you're declaring him the next great one I'd definitely think twice about drafting him.

I'm not declaring him great. Not at all. I'm declaring him every bit as good a prospect as Maye and McCarthy. All three will probably never come close to being as good as Kirk.

So you're saying they're all mediocre prospects? Not something I want high in the draft.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/20/2024 12:59:19 PM

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There was a joke apparently called Bubble Screen Bo....more information:

27.6% of Nix’s passing attempts were thrown behind the line of scrimmage with a completion rate of 95.5%. 39.4% of his passing attempts were between 0-9 yards downfield with a completion rate of 82.8%.

7.0 ADOT is pretty low and the only notable QB with a lower figure is Cade Klubnik at 6.9. UAB’s Jacob Zeno had CFB’s lowest ADOT at 5.5 yards. Highest in the P5 was Jalen Milroe at 13.9.

Other QB’s ADOT for reference:

Michael Penix: 11.3
Jayden Daniels: 10.5
Caleb Williams: 9.2
Quinn Ewers: 8.4
Carson Beck: 8.5
Shedeur Sanders: 8.5
JJ McCarthy: 10.3
Drake Maye: 11.0

Bo Nix still did incredibly well when throwing the ball greater than 10 yards. He had 26 TDs and 2 interceptions on those throws.

Thank you Phil. Just because he didn't throw deep very often doesn't mean he can't. He ran the offense presented by his coach to perfection.

"Bo Nix still did incredibly well when throwing the ball greater than 10 yards. He had 26 TDs and 2 interceptions on those throws."

Which is part of the result of throwing it short all the time and pulling the defense in. You'd have to include defensive coverages that the QBs were throwing into for a meaningful ADOT.

And a bunch of other variables.

"Just because he didn't throw deep very often doesn't mean he can't. He ran the offense presented by his coach to perfection."

So you agree with the arguments for McCarthy? Interesting.

That's where my questions are.

Can he read a defense and execute a normal offense that isn't based primarily on screens and RPOs? Can he go through his progressions?

There is no doubt he was a master of the offense he ran. But it wasn't anything like an NFL offense.

Based on raw stats, you could argue he should be the #1 overall pick, yet he's the 6th QB for the majority of experts.

He was atrocious at Auburn. The questions are good ones imo.

He was so atrocious at Auburn that he was the SEC freshman of the year. Man that's atrocious. How good or atrocious he was at Auburn is meaningless. Ancient history.

He didn't live up to the hype. Not even close. Who cares about a meaningless award. He may be good but he's definitely a guy with questions. Lots of Oregon guys come in and do squat.

Are any of the Oregon players who did squat named Bo Nix? If not how anybody else from Oregon did is irrelevant. Nix will do what he does. Not what Herbert or Mitchell did.

They've always had an offense that gets good plays out of swing passes and they seem to have a good running game most of the time. The questions are relevant about him. Now that you're declaring him the next great one I'd definitely think twice about drafting him.

I'm not declaring him great. Not at all. I'm declaring him every bit as good a prospect as Maye and McCarthy. All three will probably never come close to being as good as Kirk.

So you're saying they're all mediocre prospects? Not something I want high in the draft.

No I'm saying they're all very good prospects. Very good prospects only turn out to be good QBs one in 10 times.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/20/2024 12:59:56 PM

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There was a joke apparently called Bubble Screen Bo....more information:

27.6% of Nix’s passing attempts were thrown behind the line of scrimmage with a completion rate of 95.5%. 39.4% of his passing attempts were between 0-9 yards downfield with a completion rate of 82.8%.

7.0 ADOT is pretty low and the only notable QB with a lower figure is Cade Klubnik at 6.9. UAB’s Jacob Zeno had CFB’s lowest ADOT at 5.5 yards. Highest in the P5 was Jalen Milroe at 13.9.

Other QB’s ADOT for reference:

Michael Penix: 11.3
Jayden Daniels: 10.5
Caleb Williams: 9.2
Quinn Ewers: 8.4
Carson Beck: 8.5
Shedeur Sanders: 8.5
JJ McCarthy: 10.3
Drake Maye: 11.0

Bo Nix still did incredibly well when throwing the ball greater than 10 yards. He had 26 TDs and 2 interceptions on those throws.

Thank you Phil. Just because he didn't throw deep very often doesn't mean he can't. He ran the offense presented by his coach to perfection.

"Bo Nix still did incredibly well when throwing the ball greater than 10 yards. He had 26 TDs and 2 interceptions on those throws."

Which is part of the result of throwing it short all the time and pulling the defense in. You'd have to include defensive coverages that the QBs were throwing into for a meaningful ADOT.

And a bunch of other variables.

"Just because he didn't throw deep very often doesn't mean he can't. He ran the offense presented by his coach to perfection."

So you agree with the arguments for McCarthy? Interesting.

That's where my questions are.

Can he read a defense and execute a normal offense that isn't based primarily on screens and RPOs? Can he go through his progressions?

There is no doubt he was a master of the offense he ran. But it wasn't anything like an NFL offense.

Based on raw stats, you could argue he should be the #1 overall pick, yet he's the 6th QB for the majority of experts.

He was atrocious at Auburn. The questions are good ones imo.

He was so atrocious at Auburn that he was the SEC freshman of the year. Man that's atrocious. How good or atrocious he was at Auburn is meaningless. Ancient history.

He didn't live up to the hype. Not even close. Who cares about a meaningless award. He may be good but he's definitely a guy with questions. Lots of Oregon guys come in and do squat.

Are any of the Oregon players who did squat named Bo Nix? If not how anybody else from Oregon did is irrelevant. Nix will do what he does. Not what Herbert or Mitchell did.

They've always had an offense that gets good plays out of swing passes and they seem to have a good running game most of the time. The questions are relevant about him. Now that you're declaring him the next great one I'd definitely think twice about drafting him.

I'm not declaring him great. Not at all. I'm declaring him every bit as good a prospect as Maye and McCarthy. All three will probably never come close to being as good as Kirk.

So you're saying they're all mediocre prospects? Not something I want high in the draft.

No I'm saying they're all very good prospects. Very good prospects only turn out to be good QBs one in 10 times.

Wasn't Kirk a 4th rounder?

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/20/2024 1:04:03 PM

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I don’t know if you can trust a guy with only 5 letters total in his 1st and last name. No ones won a SB who had less than 8.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/20/2024 1:05:58 PM

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I don’t know if you can trust a guy with only 5 letters total in his 1st and last name. No ones won a SB who had less than 8.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/20/2024 1:07:36 PM

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Wasn't Kirk a 4th rounder?

Yes he was a 4th rounder. RGIII was second overall. You see why I'm against giving up 2 or more FRPs to get a QB in this draft. I will not be unhappy if we draft Maye, McCarthy or Nix at 11. I will be unhappy if we draft one of them before pick 11.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/20/2024 1:21:15 PM

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Kwesi did say that he could find the next Mahommes better than any of his peers.

Stands as good a chance as anyone

And Kellen Mond and Jered Hall slink into the chat..

Talk is cheap, and so is everything Queasy says unless it’s “put those custom slim fits on my Cc”..

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