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We might be trading up for the 4th QB. I think I’m ok with that. They will probably say they were lucky and got their guy anyway. Which may be true but for all I know if we come out of this draft with Daniels, McCarthy, or Maye I’ll be happy. Regardless of where the team has them officially ranked.

What I want to see is the Vikings identify their guy and then go up and get him. When they decide...well one of these guys from the next tier should fall to one of our picks and we can take a flyer on him...almost never works.

It sounds like the Vikings are all in on McCarthy and Maye. Good. Go up to #4 or 5 and get one of them.

Waiting feels like protecting a 1 point lead and hoping. Like in game…I want to see them attack.

Agreed. Go get your guy. It's hard enough to hit on a QB when you go for one of the top guys. Sifting through the left overs almost never works.

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I think it’s going to take 4 FRP’s to get to 2. 3 FRP’s to get to 3 OR 4.

I think Arizona would do it now.

If it's 3 FRPs to get to pick 4 laugh in their face and walk away. 2 FRPs is a great haul for trading pick 4.

Anyone trading with Kwesi is going to make him play value +.

It’s probably a secret gsme amongst teams at the top. How much can they squeeze out of Kwesi.

Kwesi or not, the fundamental issue is that teams with the pick know they can squeeze anybody who is trying to move up for a QB. And yes, it appears nobody is more adept at over paying than Kwesi.

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We might be trading up for the 4th QB. I think I’m ok with that. They will probably say they were lucky and got their guy anyway. Which may be true but for all I know if we come out of this draft with Daniels, McCarthy, or Maye I’ll be happy. Regardless of where the team has them officially ranked.

What I want to see is the Vikings identify their guy and then go up and get him. When they decide...well one of these guys from the next tier should fall to one of our picks and we can take a flyer on him...almost never works.

It sounds like the Vikings are all in on McCarthy and Maye. Good. Go up to #4 or 5 and get one of them.

Waiting feels like protecting a 1 point lead and hoping. Like in game…I want to see them attack.

Agreed. Go get your guy. It's hard enough to hit on a QB when you go for one of the top guys. Sifting through the left overs almost never works.

Do you want Kwesi to do "WHATEVER IT TAKES"?

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Stop screaming for godsakes.

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Just when I was dropping Nix down a couple notches I find this. It's long, but well worth the read. It seems like it was written by the Bo Nix PR agent, but it was written by a PFF analyst.

PFF's Mason Cameron - 2024 NFL Draft: Highest-graded quarterbacks in every category

CLEAN-POCKET GRADE: CALEB WILLIAMS, USC (93.4)
When the protection holds up and Williams is given adequate time to work, there isn’t a better passer in the nation. Without pressure, the Trojans' signal-caller amassed 17 big-time throws with just two turnover-worthy plays in 2023, with the latter being the lowest of any eligible passer in this year’s class.

PRESSURED GRADE: BO NIX, OREGON (91.2)
Nix established himself as the far and away best passer when under pressure this past season, with his 91.2 grade sitting more than 18 points on the grading scale above the next highest grader. The Oregon product recorded an outstanding 9-to-1 touchdown-to-interception ratio when pressured.

BLITZED GRADE: BO NIX, OREGON & JOHN RHYS PLUMLEE, UCF (90.6)
Just three passers surpassed the 90.0 grading threshold against the blitz, with Nix and Plumlee sharing this title among draft hopefuls. Nix made few mistakes when faced with blitzes, totaling 21 touchdowns and zero turnover-worthy plays, both of which pace the class. While Plumlee may not have thrown nearly as many touchdowns, he attacked the defenses that blitzed him, producing a 12.6-yard average target depth and a 61.6% air-yards rate.

PLAY-ACTION GRADE: MICHAEL PENIX JR., WASHINGTON (93.0)
Washington made effective use of run action all season long, a scheme in which Penix excelled. The former Husky led the class in play-action dropbacks (198) this past season, from which he produced 18 big-time throws and zero turnover-worthy plays while amassing 96 first-downs — all of which led this year’s prospects.

THROWS PAST THE STICKS GRADE: JAYDEN DANIELS, LSU & BO NIX, OREGON (94.8)
Needless to say, former transfers Daniels and Nix both attacked opposing defenses this past season, with each throwing more than 37% of their passes beyond the sticks. That aggressive approach allowed them to produce fantastic numbers, including each surpassing 30 touchdowns with sub-3% turnover-worthy play rates when targeting past the sticks.

SHORT PASSING GRADE: CALEB WILLIAMS, USC (90.7)
Williams has the awareness to orchestrate the timing and tempo needed to efficiently run the short-passing game. The Trojans' signal-caller produced 7.3 yards per attempt with an incredible 84.4% adjusted completion rate on throws targets nine yards or less downfield, all without recording a turnover-worthy play — one of just two draft-eligible quarterbacks to throw none.

INTERMEDIATE PASSING GRADE: BO NIX, OREGON (94.7)
The Oregon standout had a knack for finding the soft spots of FBS defenses and using a defender’s leverage against them, which allowed him to attack the intermediate parts of the field (10-19 yards) with ease. Nix showed off incredible ball placement, particularly when targeting back-shoulder routes, in the intermediate passing game, where he racked up 16 scores and just a single turnover-worthy play.

DEEP PASSING GRADE: JAYDEN DANIELS, LSU (99.2)
The Heisman Trophy winner has a rocket for an arm, and he wasn’t afraid to make full use of it this past season. Daniels produced a phenomenal, class-leading 63.3% adjusted completion rate with 22.4 yards per attempt and a 142.4 passer rating on deep throws.

FIRST- AND SECOND-DOWN GRADE: JAYDEN DANIELS, LSU; BO NIX, OREGON; & MICHAEL PENIX JR., WASHINGTON (91.3)
Keeping an offense on schedule on early downs is one of the more stable metrics when evaluating quarterback play. Daniels managed an impressive 140.7 passer rating on first and second downs, while Penix tallied 40 big-time throws and Nix produced an 83.9% adjusted completion rate.

THIRD- AND FOURTH-DOWN GRADE: BO NIX, OREGON (91.8)
Accuracy on late downs was undoubtedly a strong point of Nix’s game this past season. The Pac-12 Offensive Player of the Year managed an outstanding 82.3% adjusted completion rate on third and fourth downs while targeting 50.5% of his throws past the sticks. Additionally, Nix surrendered just a single sack on 113 late-down dropbacks.

RED-ZONE GRADE: SAM HARTMAN, NOTRE DAME (88.8)
While he took just 41 dropbacks in the red zone, Hartman produced class-leading marks in big-time throw rate (8.1%) and adjusted completion percentage (83.3%). Perhaps more impressively, 12 of Hartman’s 24 completions resulted in scores.

OUTSIDE THE POCKET GRADE: BO NIX, OREGON (87.9)
Nix boasts the requisite athleticism to make plays from outside the pocket. When flushed in 2023, he produced an 81.7% adjusted completion rate and a 65.2% air-yards rate on his way to nine passing touchdowns and just a pair of interceptions.

THROWS OUTSIDE THE NUMBERS GRADE: JAYDEN DANIELS, LSU (92.8)
It takes immense arm talent to attack outside the numbers at a high level, something Daniels displayed time and time again in 2023. The LSU standout flashed his strong arm often with impressive throws outside, totaling a 14.1% big-time throw rate and a 144.4 passer rating — both top marks in the class.

THROWS INSIDE THE NUMBERS GRADE: DRAKE MAYE, NORTH CAROLINA (93.4)
The North Carolina signal-caller displayed masterful control when attacking inside the numbers. Maye took advantage of the middle of defenses often with a variety of concepts that allowed him to target all levels of the field. His 17 big-time throws led the class, along with an impressive 1.2% turnover-worthy play rate that ranked second among 2024 draft prospects.
WOW!!!! Bo Nix dominates. I mean DOMINATES.

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We might be trading up for the 4th QB. I think I’m ok with that. They will probably say they were lucky and got their guy anyway. Which may be true but for all I know if we come out of this draft with Daniels, McCarthy, or Maye I’ll be happy. Regardless of where the team has them officially ranked.

What I want to see is the Vikings identify their guy and then go up and get him. When they decide...well one of these guys from the next tier should fall to one of our picks and we can take a flyer on him...almost never works.

It sounds like the Vikings are all in on McCarthy and Maye. Good. Go up to #4 or 5 and get one of them.

Waiting feels like protecting a 1 point lead and hoping. Like in game…I want to see them attack.

Agreed. Go get your guy. It's hard enough to hit on a QB when you go for one of the top guys. Sifting through the left overs almost never works.

Do you want Kwesi to do "WHATEVER IT TAKES"?

Here we go.

You are taking your annual over-the-top hardline position on what YOU want to happen in the draft. Not what should happen, not what the team wants to happen (we will never know that) ...

If you revered Maye who (will most likely be gone by 11), instead of Nix (who will most certainly be there at 11 if not 23) ... you'd be begging to move up and flipping your position.

Everybody is entitled to their own opinion. Nobody needs to have it shouted over and over in their ear point blank.

Relax. You're making it impossible to like Nix.

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Just when I was dropping Nix down a couple notches I find this. It's long, but well worth the read. It seems like it was written by the Bo Nix PR agent, but it was written by a PFF analyst.

PFF's Mason Cameron - 2024 NFL Draft: Highest-graded quarterbacks in every category

CLEAN-POCKET GRADE: CALEB WILLIAMS, USC (93.4)
When the protection holds up and Williams is given adequate time to work, there isn’t a better passer in the nation. Without pressure, the Trojans' signal-caller amassed 17 big-time throws with just two turnover-worthy plays in 2023, with the latter being the lowest of any eligible passer in this year’s class.

PRESSURED GRADE: BO NIX, OREGON (91.2)
Nix established himself as the far and away best passer when under pressure this past season, with his 91.2 grade sitting more than 18 points on the grading scale above the next highest grader. The Oregon product recorded an outstanding 9-to-1 touchdown-to-interception ratio when pressured.

BLITZED GRADE: BO NIX, OREGON & JOHN RHYS PLUMLEE, UCF (90.6)
Just three passers surpassed the 90.0 grading threshold against the blitz, with Nix and Plumlee sharing this title among draft hopefuls. Nix made few mistakes when faced with blitzes, totaling 21 touchdowns and zero turnover-worthy plays, both of which pace the class. While Plumlee may not have thrown nearly as many touchdowns, he attacked the defenses that blitzed him, producing a 12.6-yard average target depth and a 61.6% air-yards rate.

PLAY-ACTION GRADE: MICHAEL PENIX JR., WASHINGTON (93.0)
Washington made effective use of run action all season long, a scheme in which Penix excelled. The former Husky led the class in play-action dropbacks (198) this past season, from which he produced 18 big-time throws and zero turnover-worthy plays while amassing 96 first-downs — all of which led this year’s prospects.

THROWS PAST THE STICKS GRADE: JAYDEN DANIELS, LSU & BO NIX, OREGON (94.8)
Needless to say, former transfers Daniels and Nix both attacked opposing defenses this past season, with each throwing more than 37% of their passes beyond the sticks. That aggressive approach allowed them to produce fantastic numbers, including each surpassing 30 touchdowns with sub-3% turnover-worthy play rates when targeting past the sticks.

SHORT PASSING GRADE: CALEB WILLIAMS, USC (90.7)
Williams has the awareness to orchestrate the timing and tempo needed to efficiently run the short-passing game. The Trojans' signal-caller produced 7.3 yards per attempt with an incredible 84.4% adjusted completion rate on throws targets nine yards or less downfield, all without recording a turnover-worthy play — one of just two draft-eligible quarterbacks to throw none.

INTERMEDIATE PASSING GRADE: BO NIX, OREGON (94.7)
The Oregon standout had a knack for finding the soft spots of FBS defenses and using a defender’s leverage against them, which allowed him to attack the intermediate parts of the field (10-19 yards) with ease. Nix showed off incredible ball placement, particularly when targeting back-shoulder routes, in the intermediate passing game, where he racked up 16 scores and just a single turnover-worthy play.

DEEP PASSING GRADE: JAYDEN DANIELS, LSU (99.2)
The Heisman Trophy winner has a rocket for an arm, and he wasn’t afraid to make full use of it this past season. Daniels produced a phenomenal, class-leading 63.3% adjusted completion rate with 22.4 yards per attempt and a 142.4 passer rating on deep throws.

FIRST- AND SECOND-DOWN GRADE: JAYDEN DANIELS, LSU; BO NIX, OREGON; & MICHAEL PENIX JR., WASHINGTON (91.3)
Keeping an offense on schedule on early downs is one of the more stable metrics when evaluating quarterback play. Daniels managed an impressive 140.7 passer rating on first and second downs, while Penix tallied 40 big-time throws and Nix produced an 83.9% adjusted completion rate.

THIRD- AND FOURTH-DOWN GRADE: BO NIX, OREGON (91.8)
Accuracy on late downs was undoubtedly a strong point of Nix’s game this past season. The Pac-12 Offensive Player of the Year managed an outstanding 82.3% adjusted completion rate on third and fourth downs while targeting 50.5% of his throws past the sticks. Additionally, Nix surrendered just a single sack on 113 late-down dropbacks.

RED-ZONE GRADE: SAM HARTMAN, NOTRE DAME (88.8)
While he took just 41 dropbacks in the red zone, Hartman produced class-leading marks in big-time throw rate (8.1%) and adjusted completion percentage (83.3%). Perhaps more impressively, 12 of Hartman’s 24 completions resulted in scores.

OUTSIDE THE POCKET GRADE: BO NIX, OREGON (87.9)
Nix boasts the requisite athleticism to make plays from outside the pocket. When flushed in 2023, he produced an 81.7% adjusted completion rate and a 65.2% air-yards rate on his way to nine passing touchdowns and just a pair of interceptions.

THROWS OUTSIDE THE NUMBERS GRADE: JAYDEN DANIELS, LSU (92.8)
It takes immense arm talent to attack outside the numbers at a high level, something Daniels displayed time and time again in 2023. The LSU standout flashed his strong arm often with impressive throws outside, totaling a 14.1% big-time throw rate and a 144.4 passer rating — both top marks in the class.

THROWS INSIDE THE NUMBERS GRADE: DRAKE MAYE, NORTH CAROLINA (93.4)
The North Carolina signal-caller displayed masterful control when attacking inside the numbers. Maye took advantage of the middle of defenses often with a variety of concepts that allowed him to target all levels of the field. His 17 big-time throws led the class, along with an impressive 1.2% turnover-worthy play rate that ranked second among 2024 draft prospects.
WOW!!!! Bo Nix dominates. I mean DOMINATES.

The is the self-described X bio for Mason Cameron:

Degenerate wagerer of football and such | Betting Lead & Editor @NonsenseFF | Analyst and QC @PFF.

Really? This is the research you proudly regurgitate in here?

Get a life.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

Just when I was dropping Nix down a couple notches I find this. It's long, but well worth the read. It seems like it was written by the Bo Nix PR agent, but it was written by a PFF analyst.

The is the self-described X bio for Mason Cameron:

Degenerate wagerer of football and such | Betting Lead & Editor @NonsenseFF | Analyst and QC @PFF.

Really? This is the research you proudly regurgitate in here?

Get a life.

He's a PFF analyst so I think he has credibility and he's not spouting opinion. He's sharing facts. Yes as of now I'm proudly regurgitating it.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

Just when I was dropping Nix down a couple notches I find this. It's long, but well worth the read. It seems like it was written by the Bo Nix PR agent, but it was written by a PFF analyst.

The is the self-described X bio for Mason Cameron:

Degenerate wagerer of football and such | Betting Lead & Editor @NonsenseFF | Analyst and QC @PFF.

Really? This is the research you proudly regurgitate in here?

Get a life.

He's a PFF analyst so I think he has credibility and he's not spouting opinion. He's sharing facts. Yes as of now I'm proudly regurgitating it.

Of course it is.

You're just not smart enough to understand that.

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Lots of steam on McCarthy and Maye.

Because we secretly want Daniels.

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Anybody interested in a Draft Challenge?

It has kind of fizzled out the last couple years.

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Jayden Daniels was measured at 6-3 5/8, 210 pounds, 9 3/8 hand size.

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I am having a little trouble locating the article, but earlier this morning I read an article that had Minnesota trading with Arizona at #4 (Vikings giving #11 and #23), and then trading the #4 pick, along with the Vikings 1st round pick next year to the Commanders for pick #2.

So 3 1st rounders to get to #2.

The Vikings can sit at 4, to make it appear they're staying there and drafting either McCarthy or Maye. But their real objective is to get to #2 and draft Daniels.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

Just when I was dropping Nix down a couple notches I find this. It's long, but well worth the read. It seems like it was written by the Bo Nix PR agent, but it was written by a PFF analyst.

The is the self-described X bio for Mason Cameron:

Degenerate wagerer of football and such | Betting Lead & Editor @NonsenseFF | Analyst and QC @PFF.

Really? This is the research you proudly regurgitate in here?

Get a life.

He's a PFF analyst so I think he has credibility and he's not spouting opinion. He's sharing facts. Yes as of now I'm proudly regurgitating it.

Of course it is.

You're just not smart enough to understand that.

Before you made this post or before I saw it, I updated my post to say he's recapping PFF grades for all the QBs. Those are part opinion part facts, I don't know how much if anything he had to do with those grades. It is a fact that those are the PFF grades.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

Just when I was dropping Nix down a couple notches I find this. It's long, but well worth the read. It seems like it was written by the Bo Nix PR agent, but it was written by a PFF analyst.

The is the self-described X bio for Mason Cameron:

Degenerate wagerer of football and such | Betting Lead & Editor @NonsenseFF | Analyst and QC @PFF.

Really? This is the research you proudly regurgitate in here?

Get a life.

He's a PFF analyst so I think he has credibility and he's not spouting opinion. He's sharing facts. Yes as of now I'm proudly regurgitating it.

Of course it is.

You're just not smart enough to understand that.

Before you made this post or before I saw it, I updated my post to say he's recapping PFF grades for all the QBs. Those are part opinion part facts, I don't know how much if anything he had to do with those grades. It is a fact that those are the PFF grades.

PFF does not state facts. According to PFF. They try to be less subjective than other evaluation.

Your degenerate gambling buddy Cameron is obviously doing what you are doing - using PFF grades to argue for the prospects he likes.

If you had an ounce of objecivity or common sense you’d realize he works for PFF but his piece doesn’t represent PFF … Nix is their 5th rated QB.

No domination there.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

Just when I was dropping Nix down a couple notches I find this. It's long, but well worth the read. It seems like it was written by the Bo Nix PR agent, but it was written by a PFF analyst.

The is the self-described X bio for Mason Cameron:

Degenerate wagerer of football and such | Betting Lead & Editor @NonsenseFF | Analyst and QC @PFF.

Really? This is the research you proudly regurgitate in here?

Get a life.

He's a PFF analyst so I think he has credibility and he's not spouting opinion. He's sharing facts. Yes as of now I'm proudly regurgitating it.

Of course it is.

You're just not smart enough to understand that.

Before you made this post or before I saw it, I updated my post to say he's recapping PFF grades for all the QBs. Those are part opinion part facts, I don't know how much if anything he had to do with those grades. It is a fact that those are the PFF grades.

PFF does not state facts. According to PFF. They try to be less subjective than other evaluation.

Your degenerate gambling buddy Cameron is obviously doing what you are doing - using PFF grades to argue for the prospects he likes.

If you had an ounce of objecivity or common sense you’d realize he works for PFF but his piece doesn’t represent PFF … Nix is their 5th rated QB.

No domination there.

I have Nix as my 4th rated QB. Mason Cameron the PFF analyst gave no ranking of his own for Nix. He merely presented the information. There are other factors besides dominating the PFF Grades for those various QBing cats. Nix did dominate those. Take a look and try to deny he dominated those.

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Dominant Nix is too close to Dominatrix.

Pass.