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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: marty

I am convinced the Vikings are trading up for Maye or McCarthy.

I am now convinced that we have no interest in JJ.

If we do, to the level that mockers assign to us, Kwesi is doing a shit job as a GM.

I could see us trying to get to 4 or 5 if one of the top three drops ... that would be a sound move, a bold but smart move, the move that a young GM under pressure could stick his neck out for ...

Otherwise, if I give Kwesi the benefit of the doubt, I assume we like either Nix or Penix at #23. He's learned from year 1 & 2 and he's playing the game (taking either Nix or Penix at #11 stretches his neck farther than moving up for JJ, as far out as the ostrich leather used on his post-draft loafers.

If we don't take Nix/Penix at 11 and if the Broncos and Raiders don't trade up Nix is going 12 and Penix is going 13.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: marty

I am convinced the Vikings are trading up for Maye or McCarthy.

I am now convinced that we have no interest in JJ.

If we do, to the level that mockers assign to us, Kwesi is doing a shit job as a GM.

I could see us trying to get to 4 or 5 if one of the top three drops ... that would be a sound move, a bold but smart move, the move that a young GM under pressure could stick his neck out for ...

Otherwise, if I give Kwesi the benefit of the doubt, I assume we like either Nix or Penix at #23. He's learned from year 1 & 2 and he's playing the game (taking either Nix or Penix at #11 stretches his neck farther than moving up for JJ, as far out as the ostrich leather used on his post-draft loafers.

If we don't take Nix/Penix at 11 and if the Broncos and Raiders don't trade up Nix is going 12 and Penix is going 13.

That was more smarm about Kwesi's draft positioning than anything else.

Yes, according to current draft smoke and mirrors, MN DEN LV are in the hunt for JJ, Penix, Nix with their first rd picks. With trade-ups possible and a long shot at Maye.

We'll find out soon enough but it wouldn't surprise me if JJ is drafted late teens, Nix early twenties and Penix at the top of round 2.

The craziness seems extra crazy this year. Maybe because we've put ourselves at the center of it. Which was my leading point.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: marty

I am convinced the Vikings are trading up for Maye or McCarthy.

I am now convinced that we have no interest in JJ.

If we do, to the level that mockers assign to us, Kwesi is doing a shit job as a GM.

I could see us trying to get to 4 or 5 if one of the top three drops ... that would be a sound move, a bold but smart move, the move that a young GM under pressure could stick his neck out for ...

Otherwise, if I give Kwesi the benefit of the doubt, I assume we like either Nix or Penix at #23. He's learned from year 1 & 2 and he's playing the game (taking either Nix or Penix at #11 stretches his neck farther than moving up for JJ, as far out as the ostrich leather used on his post-draft loafers.

If we don't take Nix/Penix at 11 and if the Broncos and Raiders don't trade up Nix is going 12 and Penix is going 13.

That was more smarm about Kwesi's draft positioning than anything else.

Yes, according to current draft smoke and mirrors, MN DEN LV are in the hunt for JJ, Penix, Nix with their first rd picks. With trade-ups possible and a long shot at Maye.

We'll find out soon enough but it wouldn't surprise me if JJ is drafted late teens, Nix early twenties and Penix at the top of round 2.

The craziness seems extra crazy this year. Maybe because we've put ourselves at the center of it. Which was my leading point.

I believe that one of the supposed top 4 QBs will last until 11 IF the Vikings don't trade up to take one. It will be Maye or McCarthy. I don't think the Vikings would pass on either at 11.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: marty

I am convinced the Vikings are trading up for Maye or McCarthy.

I am now convinced that we have no interest in JJ.

If we do, to the level that mockers assign to us, Kwesi is doing a shit job as a GM.

I could see us trying to get to 4 or 5 if one of the top three drops ... that would be a sound move, a bold but smart move, the move that a young GM under pressure could stick his neck out for ...

Otherwise, if I give Kwesi the benefit of the doubt, I assume we like either Nix or Penix at #23. He's learned from year 1 & 2 and he's playing the game (taking either Nix or Penix at #11 stretches his neck farther than moving up for JJ, as far out as the ostrich leather used on his post-draft loafers.

If we don't take Nix/Penix at 11 and if the Broncos and Raiders don't trade up Nix is going 12 and Penix is going 13.

That was more smarm about Kwesi's draft positioning than anything else.

Yes, according to current draft smoke and mirrors, MN DEN LV are in the hunt for JJ, Penix, Nix with their first rd picks. With trade-ups possible and a long shot at Maye.

We'll find out soon enough but it wouldn't surprise me if JJ is drafted late teens, Nix early twenties and Penix at the top of round 2.

The craziness seems extra crazy this year. Maybe because we've put ourselves at the center of it. Which was my leading point.

I believe that one of the supposed top 4 QBs will last until 11 IF the Vikings don't trade up to take one. It will be Maye or McCarthy. I don't think the Vikings would pass on either at 11.

Lot of qb desperate teams in a qb class year.....

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

I was visiting a Denver Broncos podcast to see how they were feeling about trading up for a QB. When asked should we trade up 1 out of 13 responders said yes. 12 said no. They are smarter than Vikings fans IMO.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

I was visiting a Denver Broncos podcast to see how they were feeling about trading up for a QB. When asked should we trade up 1 out of 13 responders said yes. 12 said no. They are smarter than Vikings fans IMO.

Thank you.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

I was visiting a Denver Broncos podcast to see how they were feeling about trading up for a QB. When asked should we trade up 1 out of 13 responders said yes. 12 said no. They are smarter than Vikings fans IMO.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

I was visiting a Denver Broncos podcast to see how they were feeling about trading up for a QB. When asked should we trade up 1 out of 13 responders said yes. 12 said no. They are smarter than Vikings fans IMO.

They also have no draft capital...

The only thing they have is Pat Surtain as trade bait, otherwise they have no real way to move up

I think that is why they are so "smart"

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ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

I was visiting a Denver Broncos podcast to see how they were feeling about trading up for a QB. When asked should we trade up 1 out of 13 responders said yes. 12 said no. They are smarter than Vikings fans IMO.

They also have no draft capital...

The only thing they have is Pat Surtain as trade bait, otherwise they have no real way to move up

I think that is why they are so "smart"

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

I was visiting a Denver Broncos podcast to see how they were feeling about trading up for a QB. When asked should we trade up 1 out of 13 responders said yes. 12 said no. They are smarter than Vikings fans IMO.

They also have no draft capital...

The only thing they have is Pat Surtain as trade bait, otherwise they have no real way to move up

I think that is why they are so "smart"

Right … KGs idea of smart has nothing to do with intelligence and only to do with agreeing with his opinion. As I quoted recently, ‘A fool thinks himself wise …’

Wanting to move up or not is only NOT smart if you make up your mind about it three weeks before the draft. Without a clue how things are going to unfold, without an insight of any kind what our internal conversations and evaluations are. In other words, a vintage fixed KG opinion.

The nfl.com guys were saying yesterday that Payton has always hated rookie QBs and would take any veteran not named Wilson over any of the prospects. Thats hyperbole ofcourse, their GM might think differently. But they might not be hell bent on QB with their first pick much less moving up for one.

More draft smoke probably.

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ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

I was visiting a Denver Broncos podcast to see how they were feeling about trading up for a QB. When asked should we trade up 1 out of 13 responders said yes. 12 said no. They are smarter than Vikings fans IMO.

They also have no draft capital...

The only thing they have is Pat Surtain as trade bait, otherwise they have no real way to move up

I think that is why they are so "smart"

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

I was visiting a Denver Broncos podcast to see how they were feeling about trading up for a QB. When asked should we trade up 1 out of 13 responders said yes. 12 said no. They are smarter than Vikings fans IMO.

They also have no draft capital...

The only thing they have is Pat Surtain as trade bait, otherwise they have no real way to move up

I think that is why they are so "smart"

Right … KGs idea of smart has nothing to do with intelligence and only to do with agreeing with his opinion. As I quoted recently, ‘A fool thinks himself wise …’

Wanting to move up or not is only NOT smart if you make up your mind about it three weeks before the draft. Without a clue how things are going to unfold, without an insight of any kind what our internal conversations and evaluations are. In other words, a vintage fixed KG opinion.

The nfl.com guys were saying yesterday that Payton has always hated rookie QBs and would take any veteran not named Wilson over any of the prospects. Thats hyperbole ofcourse, their GM might think differently. But they might not be hell bent on QB with their first pick much less moving up for one.

More draft smoke probably.

Of course I think agreeing with my opinion is smart. I think I'm smart. Notice I didn't claim to be wise. Does that automatically mean I'm a fool. Is everybody who thinks themselves wise a fool? My second favorite scripture from the Bible is "professing themselves to be wise they became as fools." Pretty close to your quote.
We've already covered how unfixed my opinion on this draft is.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

I was visiting a Denver Broncos podcast to see how they were feeling about trading up for a QB. When asked should we trade up 1 out of 13 responders said yes. 12 said no. They are smarter than Vikings fans IMO.

They also have no draft capital...

The only thing they have is Pat Surtain as trade bait, otherwise they have no real way to move up

I think that is why they are so "smart"

Right … KGs idea of smart has nothing to do with intelligence and only to do with agreeing with his opinion. As I quoted recently, ‘A fool thinks himself wise …’

Wanting to move up or not is only NOT smart if you make up your mind about it three weeks before the draft. Without a clue how things are going to unfold, without an insight of any kind what our internal conversations and evaluations are. In other words, a vintage fixed KG opinion.

The nfl.com guys were saying yesterday that Payton has always hated rookie QBs and would take any veteran not named Wilson over any of the prospects. Thats hyperbole ofcourse, their GM might think differently. But they might not be hell bent on QB with their first pick much less moving up for one.

More draft smoke probably.

Of course I think agreeing with my opinion is smart. I think I'm smart. Notice I didn't claim to be wise. Does that automatically mean I'm a fool. Is everybody who thinks themselves wise a fool? My second favorite scripture from the Bible is "professing themselves to be wise they became as fools." Pretty close to your quote.
We've already covered how unfixed my opinion on this draft is.

I think I'm smart. Notice I didn't claim to be wise.

Semantics. Thank you for proving my point.

And ... as far as covering how fixed you're opinion is ... its absolutely fixed you didn't get see it from inside your head.

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Based on absolutely nothing but a gut feeling, I think the Vikings will try to go all in for Maye. I'm no longer convinced that they are willing to move to 4 or 5 for McCarthy. I don’t see anyone else having the assets to move to those spots. I also don’t think the teams picking 4-7 are interested in McCarthy. A more modest trade up to #8 for McCarthy could be doable.

If the Vikings sit back and wait at 11, there is a good chance McCarthy could be poached in a trade up. Ain't no way Maye lasts beyond the top 3.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

I was visiting a Denver Broncos podcast to see how they were feeling about trading up for a QB. When asked should we trade up 1 out of 13 responders said yes. 12 said no. They are smarter than Vikings fans IMO.

They also have no draft capital...

The only thing they have is Pat Surtain as trade bait, otherwise they have no real way to move up

I think that is why they are so "smart"

Right … KGs idea of smart has nothing to do with intelligence and only to do with agreeing with his opinion. As I quoted recently, ‘A fool thinks himself wise …’

Wanting to move up or not is only NOT smart if you make up your mind about it three weeks before the draft. Without a clue how things are going to unfold, without an insight of any kind what our internal conversations and evaluations are. In other words, a vintage fixed KG opinion.

The nfl.com guys were saying yesterday that Payton has always hated rookie QBs and would take any veteran not named Wilson over any of the prospects. Thats hyperbole ofcourse, their GM might think differently. But they might not be hell bent on QB with their first pick much less moving up for one.

More draft smoke probably.

Of course I think agreeing with my opinion is smart. I think I'm smart. Notice I didn't claim to be wise. Does that automatically mean I'm a fool. Is everybody who thinks themselves wise a fool? My second favorite scripture from the Bible is "professing themselves to be wise they became as fools." Pretty close to your quote.
We've already covered how unfixed my opinion on this draft is.

I think I'm smart. Notice I didn't claim to be wise.

Semantics. Thank you for proving my point.

And ... as far as covering how fixed you're opinion is ... its absolutely fixed you didn't get see it from inside your head.

Wise and smart are not the same thing. You didn't answer my question. Is everybody who thinks they're wise/smart automatically a fool? I didn't prove any point. I think that's you thinking your wise.
My QB opinions so far started out that Caleb was the best and jayden was 2nd best the other guys a coin flip, it moved to Caleb the best I don't know what to think about Daniels and I had Nix 3rd, McCarthy 4th Penix fifth and Maye 6th. I now question Caleb over the crying to mommy thing. Pretty bad. I moved McCarthy and Maye into 3rd and 4th and have a tie between Nix and Penix. I've now moved Maye back to 6th. I'm still working on that opinion. Your didn't get see it from inside your head comment is just goofy. Quit picking fights with me for zero reason.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

I was visiting a Denver Broncos podcast to see how they were feeling about trading up for a QB. When asked should we trade up 1 out of 13 responders said yes. 12 said no. They are smarter than Vikings fans IMO.

They also have no draft capital...

The only thing they have is Pat Surtain as trade bait, otherwise they have no real way to move up

I think that is why they are so "smart"

Right … KGs idea of smart has nothing to do with intelligence and only to do with agreeing with his opinion. As I quoted recently, ‘A fool thinks himself wise …’

Wanting to move up or not is only NOT smart if you make up your mind about it three weeks before the draft. Without a clue how things are going to unfold, without an insight of any kind what our internal conversations and evaluations are. In other words, a vintage fixed KG opinion.

The nfl.com guys were saying yesterday that Payton has always hated rookie QBs and would take any veteran not named Wilson over any of the prospects. Thats hyperbole ofcourse, their GM might think differently. But they might not be hell bent on QB with their first pick much less moving up for one.

More draft smoke probably.

Of course I think agreeing with my opinion is smart. I think I'm smart. Notice I didn't claim to be wise. Does that automatically mean I'm a fool. Is everybody who thinks themselves wise a fool? My second favorite scripture from the Bible is "professing themselves to be wise they became as fools." Pretty close to your quote.
We've already covered how unfixed my opinion on this draft is.

I think I'm smart. Notice I didn't claim to be wise.

Semantics. Thank you for proving my point.

And ... as far as covering how fixed you're opinion is ... its absolutely fixed you didn't get see it from inside your head.

Wise and smart are not the same thing. You didn't answer my question. Is everybody who thinks they're wise/smart automatically a fool? I didn't prove any point. I think that's you thinking your wise.
My QB opinions so far started out that Caleb was the best and jayden was 2nd best the other guys a coin flip, it moved to Caleb the best I don't know what to think about Daniels and I had Nix 3rd, McCarthy 4th Penix fifth and Maye 6th. I now question Caleb over the crying to mommy thing. Pretty bad. I moved McCarthy and Maye into 3rd and 4th and have a tie between Nix and Penix. I've now moved Maye back to 6th. I'm still working on that opinion. Your didn't get see it from inside your head comment is just goofy. Quit picking fights with me for zero reason.

Wise and smart overlap and both apply to Shakespeare's maxim.

Can you really be so oblivious? Don't call me / Vikings fans less smart than others who agree with your opinion and I won't return the favor.