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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Funny, you guys rip the quarterback that got the Vikings to 15-2 because he didnt play well in the final two games but you praise a coach that was horrific in those two games.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Funny, you guys rip the quarterback that got the Vikings to 15-2 because he didnt play well in the final two games but you praise a coach that was horrific in those two games.

Not me. I put the anointing oil away long ago.

Same

I got off the KOC bandwagon after the first Detoilet game, and his idiotic choices of play calls, like trick plays at THE WORST POSSIBLE game situations.

He better get his offensive line fixed or his rookie quarterback won't win nine games.

Overpaying Sam won’t help fix the oline. KOC overachieved but then you get into the playoffs and talent matters plus your qb has to perform.

Talent, QB … AND your OC has to put them in the right situations. KOC can’t throw the ball for Darnold so play to play you have to start at the QB in meltdown. But taken drive by drive, qtr by qtr in both games, COTYKOC was not calling playoff caliber plays. Thete are other variables, ofcourse, but if those two are going to hog the credit for the reg season …

You can’t tell me the Giants or hobbled Lions had more talent on defense than we did on offense. IOL vs DT ok.

Otherwise, we got bullied.

Neither the 2022 or the 2024 team went into the playoffs prepared or with good gameplans. Or with adequate adjustments throughout the game.

Giants and Vikes game was a one score game. Lions game with a normal Sam game would have been closer.

We had probably a better roster than GB and Washington in the playoffs in the NFC. Lots of roster work to be done.

Weird many said tank last year and now they should of beat everyone this year.

The Giants were the worst team in the playoffs. A one score game does nothing for your argument.

‘If’ normal Sam …? If the Lions team bus had driven into a lake, they would have forfeited the game. So what. Stick to what happened (Glenn outcoached KOC and made Darnold look like pre-vikings Darnold).

I can’t even address your last two comments … I’m not smart enough to see how they follow.

I’m not trying to bust your chops Phil … KOC has to take some blame for both teams he led into the playoffs. If he loses his next one, 0-3 puts him in the history books with the only other two coaches to do that (one is buddy Ryan … cant remember the other).

I want KOC to slam dunk 2025. The playoffs … the reg season is just for shits and giggles.

Pretty simple. He is a top coach who overachieved in 22 and 24 with at best a top 10 qb and lesser talent than the majority in the playoffs.

Say what you want about the Rams and Giants in those years but it wasn’t like we had the 98 and 09 teams in terms of talent. You still need a top talent team to win it all.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Funny, you guys rip the quarterback that got the Vikings to 15-2 because he didnt play well in the final two games but you praise a coach that was horrific in those two games.

Not me. I put the anointing oil away long ago.

Same

I got off the KOC bandwagon after the first Detoilet game, and his idiotic choices of play calls, like trick plays at THE WORST POSSIBLE game situations.

He better get his offensive line fixed or his rookie quarterback won't win nine games.

Overpaying Sam won’t help fix the oline. KOC overachieved but then you get into the playoffs and talent matters plus your qb has to perform.

Talent, QB … AND your OC has to put them in the right situations. KOC can’t throw the ball for Darnold so play to play you have to start at the QB in meltdown. But taken drive by drive, qtr by qtr in both games, COTYKOC was not calling playoff caliber plays. Thete are other variables, ofcourse, but if those two are going to hog the credit for the reg season …

You can’t tell me the Giants or hobbled Lions had more talent on defense than we did on offense. IOL vs DT ok.

Otherwise, we got bullied.

Neither the 2022 or the 2024 team went into the playoffs prepared or with good gameplans. Or with adequate adjustments throughout the game.

Giants and Vikes game was a one score game. Lions game with a normal Sam game would have been closer.

We had probably a better roster than GB and Washington in the playoffs in the NFC. Lots of roster work to be done.

Weird many said tank last year and now they should of beat everyone this year.

The Giants were the worst team in the playoffs. A one score game does nothing for your argument.

‘If’ normal Sam …? If the Lions team bus had driven into a lake, they would have forfeited the game. So what. Stick to what happened (Glenn outcoached KOC and made Darnold look like pre-vikings Darnold).

I can’t even address your last two comments … I’m not smart enough to see how they follow.

I’m not trying to bust your chops Phil … KOC has to take some blame for both teams he led into the playoffs. If he loses his next one, 0-3 puts him in the history books with the only other two coaches to do that (one is buddy Ryan … cant remember the other).

I want KOC to slam dunk 2025. The playoffs … the reg season is just for shits and giggles.

Pretty simple. He is a top coach who overachieved in 22 and 24 with at best a top 10 qb and lesser talent than the majority in the playoffs.

Say what you want about the Rams and Giants in those years but it wasn’t like we had the 98 and 09 teams in terms of talent. You still need a top talent team to win it all.

Nothing simple about it. You can reduce it down if that makes it easy for you to digest.

He’s got a ways to go in my book. Even though I think he’s a good coach … 13-4 and 14-3 say a lot, two overachieving teams.

Right now, he’s Jim Mora in 1987, his second season as a HC with the Saints. They went 12-3, Mora won COTY, before losing to the Vikings in a wildcard card game, 44-10. A great turnaround for the franchise.

A good coach.

Mora went on to go 0-6 in the playoffs.

I’ll wait until KOC wins a playoff game … shewt, is at least competitive in a playoff game, before I label him as good or very good or whatever.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Funny, you guys rip the quarterback that got the Vikings to 15-2 because he didnt play well in the final two games but you praise a coach that was horrific in those two games.

Not me. I put the anointing oil away long ago.

Same

I got off the KOC bandwagon after the first Detoilet game, and his idiotic choices of play calls, like trick plays at THE WORST POSSIBLE game situations.

He better get his offensive line fixed or his rookie quarterback won't win nine games.

Overpaying Sam won’t help fix the oline. KOC overachieved but then you get into the playoffs and talent matters plus your qb has to perform.

Talent, QB … AND your OC has to put them in the right situations. KOC can’t throw the ball for Darnold so play to play you have to start at the QB in meltdown. But taken drive by drive, qtr by qtr in both games, COTYKOC was not calling playoff caliber plays. Thete are other variables, ofcourse, but if those two are going to hog the credit for the reg season …

You can’t tell me the Giants or hobbled Lions had more talent on defense than we did on offense. IOL vs DT ok.

Otherwise, we got bullied.

Neither the 2022 or the 2024 team went into the playoffs prepared or with good gameplans. Or with adequate adjustments throughout the game.

Giants and Vikes game was a one score game. Lions game with a normal Sam game would have been closer.

We had probably a better roster than GB and Washington in the playoffs in the NFC. Lots of roster work to be done.

Weird many said tank last year and now they should of beat everyone this year.

The Giants were the worst team in the playoffs. A one score game does nothing for your argument.

‘If’ normal Sam …? If the Lions team bus had driven into a lake, they would have forfeited the game. So what. Stick to what happened (Glenn outcoached KOC and made Darnold look like pre-vikings Darnold).

I can’t even address your last two comments … I’m not smart enough to see how they follow.

I’m not trying to bust your chops Phil … KOC has to take some blame for both teams he led into the playoffs. If he loses his next one, 0-3 puts him in the history books with the only other two coaches to do that (one is buddy Ryan … cant remember the other).

I want KOC to slam dunk 2025. The playoffs … the reg season is just for shits and giggles.

Pretty simple. He is a top coach who overachieved in 22 and 24 with at best a top 10 qb and lesser talent than the majority in the playoffs.

Say what you want about the Rams and Giants in those years but it wasn’t like we had the 98 and 09 teams in terms of talent. You still need a top talent team to win it all.

Nothing simple about it. You can reduce it down if that makes it easy for you to digest.

He’s got a ways to go in my book. Even though I think he’s a good coach … 13-4 and 14-3 say a lot, two overachieving teams.

Right now, he’s Jim Mora in 1987, his second season as a HC with the Saints. They went 12-3, Mora won COTY, before losing to the Vikings in a wildcard card game, 44-10. A great turnaround for the franchise.

A good coach.

Mora went on to go 0-6 in the playoffs.

I’ll wait until KOC wins a playoff game … shewt, is at least competitive in a playoff game, before I label him as good or very good or whatever.

22 against the Giants was a 1 score game; 24 was a Sam Shewt but yeah everyone prefers that.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Weird many said tank last year and now they should of beat everyone this year.

Rethink those extremes.

"Many" were not advocating tanking. I damn sure was during the 0-3 start. But then we went 1-3, 1-4 (still a chance!), then 2-4 which put a damper on things.

As for this year, "many" did not think they should have beat everyone. Most were realistic, thought anything after at least 16 games was gravy, etc.

2023 you weren’t?

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Weird many said tank last year and now they should of beat everyone this year.

Rethink those extremes.

"Many" were not advocating tanking. I damn sure was during the 0-3 start. But then we went 1-3, 1-4 (still a chance!), then 2-4 which put a damper on things.

As for this year, "many" did not think they should have beat everyone. Most were realistic, thought anything after at least 16 games was gravy, etc.

2023 you weren’t?

You literally did not read my post,

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Funny, you guys rip the quarterback that got the Vikings to 15-2 because he didnt play well in the final two games but you praise a coach that was horrific in those two games.

Not me. I put the anointing oil away long ago.

Same

I got off the KOC bandwagon after the first Detoilet game, and his idiotic choices of play calls, like trick plays at THE WORST POSSIBLE game situations.

He better get his offensive line fixed or his rookie quarterback won't win nine games.

Overpaying Sam won’t help fix the oline. KOC overachieved but then you get into the playoffs and talent matters plus your qb has to perform.

Talent, QB … AND your OC has to put them in the right situations. KOC can’t throw the ball for Darnold so play to play you have to start at the QB in meltdown. But taken drive by drive, qtr by qtr in both games, COTYKOC was not calling playoff caliber plays. Thete are other variables, ofcourse, but if those two are going to hog the credit for the reg season …

You can’t tell me the Giants or hobbled Lions had more talent on defense than we did on offense. IOL vs DT ok.

Otherwise, we got bullied.

Neither the 2022 or the 2024 team went into the playoffs prepared or with good gameplans. Or with adequate adjustments throughout the game.

Giants and Vikes game was a one score game. Lions game with a normal Sam game would have been closer.

We had probably a better roster than GB and Washington in the playoffs in the NFC. Lots of roster work to be done.

Weird many said tank last year and now they should of beat everyone this year.

The Giants were the worst team in the playoffs. A one score game does nothing for your argument.

‘If’ normal Sam …? If the Lions team bus had driven into a lake, they would have forfeited the game. So what. Stick to what happened (Glenn outcoached KOC and made Darnold look like pre-vikings Darnold).

I can’t even address your last two comments … I’m not smart enough to see how they follow.

I’m not trying to bust your chops Phil … KOC has to take some blame for both teams he led into the playoffs. If he loses his next one, 0-3 puts him in the history books with the only other two coaches to do that (one is buddy Ryan … cant remember the other).

I want KOC to slam dunk 2025. The playoffs … the reg season is just for shits and giggles.

Pretty simple. He is a top coach who overachieved in 22 and 24 with at best a top 10 qb and lesser talent than the majority in the playoffs.

Say what you want about the Rams and Giants in those years but it wasn’t like we had the 98 and 09 teams in terms of talent. You still need a top talent team to win it all.

Nothing simple about it. You can reduce it down if that makes it easy for you to digest.

He’s got a ways to go in my book. Even though I think he’s a good coach … 13-4 and 14-3 say a lot, two overachieving teams.

Right now, he’s Jim Mora in 1987, his second season as a HC with the Saints. They went 12-3, Mora won COTY, before losing to the Vikings in a wildcard card game, 44-10. A great turnaround for the franchise.

A good coach.

Mora went on to go 0-6 in the playoffs.

I’ll wait until KOC wins a playoff game … shewt, is at least competitive in a playoff game, before I label him as good or very good or whatever.

22 against the Giants was a 1 score game; 24 was a Sam Shewt but yeah everyone prefers that.

I’m trying very hard not to get all pissy but you are tasking me.

Stomping your feet and saying that over and over again, after its been summarily shredded, doesn’t make it more true.

I can’t believe I bothered to look up Mora or anything in a response.

I’m so ashamed.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Weird many said tank last year and now they should of beat everyone this year.

Rethink those extremes.

"Many" were not advocating tanking. I damn sure was during the 0-3 start. But then we went 1-3, 1-4 (still a chance!), then 2-4 which put a damper on things.

As for this year, "many" did not think they should have beat everyone. Most were realistic, thought anything after at least 16 games was gravy, etc.

2023 you weren’t?

You literally did not read my post,

Oh I read it....You wanted to tank before that....but keep trying.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Funny, you guys rip the quarterback that got the Vikings to 15-2 because he didnt play well in the final two games but you praise a coach that was horrific in those two games.

Not me. I put the anointing oil away long ago.

Same

I got off the KOC bandwagon after the first Detoilet game, and his idiotic choices of play calls, like trick plays at THE WORST POSSIBLE game situations.

He better get his offensive line fixed or his rookie quarterback won't win nine games.

Overpaying Sam won’t help fix the oline. KOC overachieved but then you get into the playoffs and talent matters plus your qb has to perform.

Talent, QB … AND your OC has to put them in the right situations. KOC can’t throw the ball for Darnold so play to play you have to start at the QB in meltdown. But taken drive by drive, qtr by qtr in both games, COTYKOC was not calling playoff caliber plays. Thete are other variables, ofcourse, but if those two are going to hog the credit for the reg season …

You can’t tell me the Giants or hobbled Lions had more talent on defense than we did on offense. IOL vs DT ok.

Otherwise, we got bullied.

Neither the 2022 or the 2024 team went into the playoffs prepared or with good gameplans. Or with adequate adjustments throughout the game.

Giants and Vikes game was a one score game. Lions game with a normal Sam game would have been closer.

We had probably a better roster than GB and Washington in the playoffs in the NFC. Lots of roster work to be done.

Weird many said tank last year and now they should of beat everyone this year.

The Giants were the worst team in the playoffs. A one score game does nothing for your argument.

‘If’ normal Sam …? If the Lions team bus had driven into a lake, they would have forfeited the game. So what. Stick to what happened (Glenn outcoached KOC and made Darnold look like pre-vikings Darnold).

I can’t even address your last two comments … I’m not smart enough to see how they follow.

I’m not trying to bust your chops Phil … KOC has to take some blame for both teams he led into the playoffs. If he loses his next one, 0-3 puts him in the history books with the only other two coaches to do that (one is buddy Ryan … cant remember the other).

I want KOC to slam dunk 2025. The playoffs … the reg season is just for shits and giggles.

Pretty simple. He is a top coach who overachieved in 22 and 24 with at best a top 10 qb and lesser talent than the majority in the playoffs.

Say what you want about the Rams and Giants in those years but it wasn’t like we had the 98 and 09 teams in terms of talent. You still need a top talent team to win it all.

Nothing simple about it. You can reduce it down if that makes it easy for you to digest.

He’s got a ways to go in my book. Even though I think he’s a good coach … 13-4 and 14-3 say a lot, two overachieving teams.

Right now, he’s Jim Mora in 1987, his second season as a HC with the Saints. They went 12-3, Mora won COTY, before losing to the Vikings in a wildcard card game, 44-10. A great turnaround for the franchise.

A good coach.

Mora went on to go 0-6 in the playoffs.

I’ll wait until KOC wins a playoff game … shewt, is at least competitive in a playoff game, before I label him as good or very good or whatever.

22 against the Giants was a 1 score game; 24 was a Sam Shewt but yeah everyone prefers that.

I’m trying very hard not to get all pissy but you are tasking me.

Stomping your feet and saying that over and over again, after its been summarily shredded, doesn’t make it more true.

I can’t believe I bothered to look up Mora or anything in a response.

I’m so ashamed.

Mora and KOC is a good comparo but the real answer will be how KOC answers questions about playoff aspirations.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Weird many said tank last year and now they should of beat everyone this year.

Rethink those extremes.

"Many" were not advocating tanking. I damn sure was during the 0-3 start. But then we went 1-3, 1-4 (still a chance!), then 2-4 which put a damper on things.

As for this year, "many" did not think they should have beat everyone. Most were realistic, thought anything after at least 16 games was gravy, etc.

2023 you weren’t?

You literally did not read my post,

Oh I read it....You wanted to tank before that....but keep trying.

Provide such comments.

I have advocated playing the backups in a meaningless final game in order to gain say 5 draft positions. That isn't tanking the season like in the beginning of 2023 while going 0-3.

And any call for tanking is mostly just an idle desire because no player is going to intentionally play bad and no coach will coach bad. It would have to be the GM trading key players for future assets. JJ is the only player I seriously hoped they'd consider trading - that wasn't for tanking but for $ - and it would have required a boatload in return.

But again, show otherwise.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Weird many said tank last year and now they should of beat everyone this year.

Rethink those extremes.

"Many" were not advocating tanking. I damn sure was during the 0-3 start. But then we went 1-3, 1-4 (still a chance!), then 2-4 which put a damper on things.

As for this year, "many" did not think they should have beat everyone. Most were realistic, thought anything after at least 16 games was gravy, etc.

2023 you weren’t?

You literally did not read my post,

Oh I read it....You wanted to tank before that....but keep trying.

Provide such comments.

I have advocated playing the backups in a meaningless final game in order to gain say 5 draft positions. That isn't tanking the season like in the beginning of 2023 while going 0-3.

And any call for tanking is mostly just an idle desire because no player is going to intentionally play bad and no coach will coach bad. It would have to be the GM trading key players for future assets. JJ is the only player I seriously hoped they'd consider trading - that wasn't for tanking but for $ - and it would have required a boatload in return.

But again, show otherwise.

There was more than that Mr. Kwesi Credit Card all that offseason. You solidified you stance but in no way did it start after 1-3. It may have been the best opinion yet you still pretend.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Funny, you guys rip the quarterback that got the Vikings to 15-2 because he didnt play well in the final two games but you praise a coach that was horrific in those two games.

Not me. I put the anointing oil away long ago.

Same

I got off the KOC bandwagon after the first Detoilet game, and his idiotic choices of play calls, like trick plays at THE WORST POSSIBLE game situations.

He better get his offensive line fixed or his rookie quarterback won't win nine games.

Overpaying Sam won’t help fix the oline. KOC overachieved but then you get into the playoffs and talent matters plus your qb has to perform.

Talent, QB … AND your OC has to put them in the right situations. KOC can’t throw the ball for Darnold so play to play you have to start at the QB in meltdown. But taken drive by drive, qtr by qtr in both games, COTYKOC was not calling playoff caliber plays. Thete are other variables, ofcourse, but if those two are going to hog the credit for the reg season …

You can’t tell me the Giants or hobbled Lions had more talent on defense than we did on offense. IOL vs DT ok.

Otherwise, we got bullied.

Neither the 2022 or the 2024 team went into the playoffs prepared or with good gameplans. Or with adequate adjustments throughout the game.

Giants and Vikes game was a one score game. Lions game with a normal Sam game would have been closer.

We had probably a better roster than GB and Washington in the playoffs in the NFC. Lots of roster work to be done.

Weird many said tank last year and now they should of beat everyone this year.

The Giants were the worst team in the playoffs. A one score game does nothing for your argument.

‘If’ normal Sam …? If the Lions team bus had driven into a lake, they would have forfeited the game. So what. Stick to what happened (Glenn outcoached KOC and made Darnold look like pre-vikings Darnold).

I can’t even address your last two comments … I’m not smart enough to see how they follow.

I’m not trying to bust your chops Phil … KOC has to take some blame for both teams he led into the playoffs. If he loses his next one, 0-3 puts him in the history books with the only other two coaches to do that (one is buddy Ryan … cant remember the other).

I want KOC to slam dunk 2025. The playoffs … the reg season is just for shits and giggles.

Pretty simple. He is a top coach who overachieved in 22 and 24 with at best a top 10 qb and lesser talent than the majority in the playoffs.

Say what you want about the Rams and Giants in those years but it wasn’t like we had the 98 and 09 teams in terms of talent. You still need a top talent team to win it all.

Nothing simple about it. You can reduce it down if that makes it easy for you to digest.

He’s got a ways to go in my book. Even though I think he’s a good coach … 13-4 and 14-3 say a lot, two overachieving teams.

Right now, he’s Jim Mora in 1987, his second season as a HC with the Saints. They went 12-3, Mora won COTY, before losing to the Vikings in a wildcard card game, 44-10. A great turnaround for the franchise.

A good coach.

Mora went on to go 0-6 in the playoffs.

I’ll wait until KOC wins a playoff game … shewt, is at least competitive in a playoff game, before I label him as good or very good or whatever.

22 against the Giants was a 1 score game; 24 was a Sam Shewt but yeah everyone prefers that.

I’m trying very hard not to get all pissy but you are tasking me.

Stomping your feet and saying that over and over again, after its been summarily shredded, doesn’t make it more true.

I can’t believe I bothered to look up Mora or anything in a response.

I’m so ashamed.

Mora and KOC is a good comparo but the real answer will be how KOC answers questions about playoff aspirations.

Right, part of the issue IMO is, we have almost been too successful in the regular season.

I know thats an ass bachwards thing to say, I couldnt be happier winning ANY game …

but the ego thing of self-evaluation, does KOC think that 13-4 and 14-3 confirms his approach and strategy or is he going look at the playoff beatdowns as a call to change.

(Same goes for Kwesi)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Weird many said tank last year and now they should of beat everyone this year.

Rethink those extremes.

"Many" were not advocating tanking. I damn sure was during the 0-3 start. But then we went 1-3, 1-4 (still a chance!), then 2-4 which put a damper on things.

As for this year, "many" did not think they should have beat everyone. Most were realistic, thought anything after at least 16 games was gravy, etc.

2023 you weren’t?

You literally did not read my post,

Oh I read it....You wanted to tank before that....but keep trying.

Provide such comments.

I have advocated playing the backups in a meaningless final game in order to gain say 5 draft positions. That isn't tanking the season like in the beginning of 2023 while going 0-3.

And any call for tanking is mostly just an idle desire because no player is going to intentionally play bad and no coach will coach bad. It would have to be the GM trading key players for future assets. JJ is the only player I seriously hoped they'd consider trading - that wasn't for tanking but for $ - and it would have required a boatload in return.

But again, show otherwise.

There was more than that Mr. Kwesi Credit Card all that offseason. You solidified you stance but in no way did it start after 1-3. It may have been the best opinion yet you still pretend.

More than that? Credit cards?

First, stay on topic and stop moving the goalposts.

Second, if you believe that saying Kwesi uses credit cards is somehow tied to tanking then I can't help you.

What's next in your topic drift?

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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Weird many said tank last year and now they should of beat everyone this year.

Rethink those extremes.

"Many" were not advocating tanking. I damn sure was during the 0-3 start. But then we went 1-3, 1-4 (still a chance!), then 2-4 which put a damper on things.

As for this year, "many" did not think they should have beat everyone. Most were realistic, thought anything after at least 16 games was gravy, etc.

2023 you weren’t?

You literally did not read my post,

Oh I read it....You wanted to tank before that....but keep trying.

Provide such comments.

I have advocated playing the backups in a meaningless final game in order to gain say 5 draft positions. That isn't tanking the season like in the beginning of 2023 while going 0-3.

And any call for tanking is mostly just an idle desire because no player is going to intentionally play bad and no coach will coach bad. It would have to be the GM trading key players for future assets. JJ is the only player I seriously hoped they'd consider trading - that wasn't for tanking but for $ - and it would have required a boatload in return.

But again, show otherwise.

There was more than that Mr. Kwesi Credit Card all that offseason. You solidified you stance but in no way did it start after 1-3. It may have been the best opinion yet you still pretend.

More than that? Credit cards?

First, stay on topic and stop moving the goalposts.

Second, if you believe that saying Kwesi uses credit cards is somehow tied to tanking then I can't help you.

What's next in your topic drift?

Again...you said to tank and trade and cut as much as possible that offseason. Basically it was a good take for 2023 yet you say you didn't say it.
Trying to give you credit.
My take on the previous post was that we saw it both in 2022 and 2024 seasons and portion of 2023 with 3rd string QBs performances he is a top coach. Still need to give you coach the talent to win. A poor QB performance really showed the talent mismatch.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Weird many said tank last year and now they should of beat everyone this year.

Rethink those extremes.

"Many" were not advocating tanking. I damn sure was during the 0-3 start. But then we went 1-3, 1-4 (still a chance!), then 2-4 which put a damper on things.

As for this year, "many" did not think they should have beat everyone. Most were realistic, thought anything after at least 16 games was gravy, etc.

2023 you weren’t?

You literally did not read my post,

Oh I read it....You wanted to tank before that....but keep trying.

Provide such comments.

I have advocated playing the backups in a meaningless final game in order to gain say 5 draft positions. That isn't tanking the season like in the beginning of 2023 while going 0-3.

And any call for tanking is mostly just an idle desire because no player is going to intentionally play bad and no coach will coach bad. It would have to be the GM trading key players for future assets. JJ is the only player I seriously hoped they'd consider trading - that wasn't for tanking but for $ - and it would have required a boatload in return.

But again, show otherwise.

There was more than that Mr. Kwesi Credit Card all that offseason. You solidified you stance but in no way did it start after 1-3. It may have been the best opinion yet you still pretend.

More than that? Credit cards?

First, stay on topic and stop moving the goalposts.

Second, if you believe that saying Kwesi uses credit cards is somehow tied to tanking then I can't help you.

What's next in your topic drift?

Again...you said to tank and trade and cut as much as possible that offseason. Basically it was a good take for 2023 yet you say you didn't say it.
Trying to give you credit.
My take on the previous post was that we saw it both in 2022 and 2024 seasons and portion of 2023 with 3rd string QBs performances he is a top coach. Still need to give you coach the talent to win. A poor QB performance really showed the talent mismatch.

Maybe you need to work on the definition of tanking.

Offseason posts about cutting high-priced veterans who are not playing to the level of their contracts is about rebuilding, not tanking. And yeah, take the pain instead of half-assing it like blowing $40 million on a one-year Cousins extension. That basically meant getting ahead of the cap issues sooner.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Weird many said tank last year and now they should of beat everyone this year.

Rethink those extremes.

"Many" were not advocating tanking. I damn sure was during the 0-3 start. But then we went 1-3, 1-4 (still a chance!), then 2-4 which put a damper on things.

As for this year, "many" did not think they should have beat everyone. Most were realistic, thought anything after at least 16 games was gravy, etc.

2023 you weren’t?

You literally did not read my post,

Oh I read it....You wanted to tank before that....but keep trying.

Provide such comments.

I have advocated playing the backups in a meaningless final game in order to gain say 5 draft positions. That isn't tanking the season like in the beginning of 2023 while going 0-3.

And any call for tanking is mostly just an idle desire because no player is going to intentionally play bad and no coach will coach bad. It would have to be the GM trading key players for future assets. JJ is the only player I seriously hoped they'd consider trading - that wasn't for tanking but for $ - and it would have required a boatload in return.

But again, show otherwise.

There was more than that Mr. Kwesi Credit Card all that offseason. You solidified you stance but in no way did it start after 1-3. It may have been the best opinion yet you still pretend.

More than that? Credit cards?

First, stay on topic and stop moving the goalposts.

Second, if you believe that saying Kwesi uses credit cards is somehow tied to tanking then I can't help you.

What's next in your topic drift?

Again...you said to tank and trade and cut as much as possible that offseason. Basically it was a good take for 2023 yet you say you didn't say it.
Trying to give you credit.
My take on the previous post was that we saw it both in 2022 and 2024 seasons and portion of 2023 with 3rd string QBs performances he is a top coach. Still need to give you coach the talent to win. A poor QB performance really showed the talent mismatch.

Maybe you need to work on the definition of tanking.

Offseason posts about cutting high-priced veterans who are not playing to the level of their contracts is about rebuilding, not tanking. And yeah, take the pain instead of half-assing it like blowing $40 million on a one-year Cousins extension. That basically meant getting ahead of the cap issues sooner.

I was saying you were right and you wouldn't take the credit...

Cutting or trading most of your high level talent for draft picks is tanking to me.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Weird many said tank last year and now they should of beat everyone this year.

Rethink those extremes.

"Many" were not advocating tanking. I damn sure was during the 0-3 start. But then we went 1-3, 1-4 (still a chance!), then 2-4 which put a damper on things.

As for this year, "many" did not think they should have beat everyone. Most were realistic, thought anything after at least 16 games was gravy, etc.

2023 you weren’t?

You literally did not read my post,

Oh I read it....You wanted to tank before that....but keep trying.

Provide such comments.

I have advocated playing the backups in a meaningless final game in order to gain say 5 draft positions. That isn't tanking the season like in the beginning of 2023 while going 0-3.

And any call for tanking is mostly just an idle desire because no player is going to intentionally play bad and no coach will coach bad. It would have to be the GM trading key players for future assets. JJ is the only player I seriously hoped they'd consider trading - that wasn't for tanking but for $ - and it would have required a boatload in return.

But again, show otherwise.

There was more than that Mr. Kwesi Credit Card all that offseason. You solidified you stance but in no way did it start after 1-3. It may have been the best opinion yet you still pretend.

More than that? Credit cards?

First, stay on topic and stop moving the goalposts.

Second, if you believe that saying Kwesi uses credit cards is somehow tied to tanking then I can't help you.

What's next in your topic drift?

Again...you said to tank and trade and cut as much as possible that offseason. Basically it was a good take for 2023 yet you say you didn't say it.
Trying to give you credit.
My take on the previous post was that we saw it both in 2022 and 2024 seasons and portion of 2023 with 3rd string QBs performances he is a top coach. Still need to give you coach the talent to win. A poor QB performance really showed the talent mismatch.

Maybe you need to work on the definition of tanking.

Offseason posts about cutting high-priced veterans who are not playing to the level of their contracts is about rebuilding, not tanking. And yeah, take the pain instead of half-assing it like blowing $40 million on a one-year Cousins extension. That basically meant getting ahead of the cap issues sooner.

I was saying you were right and you wouldn't take the credit...

Cutting or trading most of your high level talent for draft picks is tanking to me.

I'm not taking credit for a misrepresentation of what I said.

Do you ever quit misrepresenting things?

Moving aged, underperforming, high $ veterans is vastly different than "trading most of your high level talent". Tomlinson, Dalvin Cook, Za Smith (the disgruntled version), Kendricks, Thielen, etc. Go back and look at their cap hits. Kwesi wisely let them go.

None of that involves tanking.

And how you lumped in Kwesi using credit cards being even remotely involved with tanking is beyond me.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Weird many said tank last year and now they should of beat everyone this year.

Rethink those extremes.

"Many" were not advocating tanking. I damn sure was during the 0-3 start. But then we went 1-3, 1-4 (still a chance!), then 2-4 which put a damper on things.

As for this year, "many" did not think they should have beat everyone. Most were realistic, thought anything after at least 16 games was gravy, etc.

2023 you weren’t?

You literally did not read my post,

Oh I read it....You wanted to tank before that....but keep trying.

Provide such comments.

I have advocated playing the backups in a meaningless final game in order to gain say 5 draft positions. That isn't tanking the season like in the beginning of 2023 while going 0-3.

And any call for tanking is mostly just an idle desire because no player is going to intentionally play bad and no coach will coach bad. It would have to be the GM trading key players for future assets. JJ is the only player I seriously hoped they'd consider trading - that wasn't for tanking but for $ - and it would have required a boatload in return.

But again, show otherwise.

There was more than that Mr. Kwesi Credit Card all that offseason. You solidified you stance but in no way did it start after 1-3. It may have been the best opinion yet you still pretend.

More than that? Credit cards?

First, stay on topic and stop moving the goalposts.

Second, if you believe that saying Kwesi uses credit cards is somehow tied to tanking then I can't help you.

What's next in your topic drift?

Again...you said to tank and trade and cut as much as possible that offseason. Basically it was a good take for 2023 yet you say you didn't say it.
Trying to give you credit.
My take on the previous post was that we saw it both in 2022 and 2024 seasons and portion of 2023 with 3rd string QBs performances he is a top coach. Still need to give you coach the talent to win. A poor QB performance really showed the talent mismatch.

Maybe you need to work on the definition of tanking.

Offseason posts about cutting high-priced veterans who are not playing to the level of their contracts is about rebuilding, not tanking. And yeah, take the pain instead of half-assing it like blowing $40 million on a one-year Cousins extension. That basically meant getting ahead of the cap issues sooner.

I was saying you were right and you wouldn't take the credit...

Cutting or trading most of your high level talent for draft picks is tanking to me.

I'm not taking credit for a misrepresentation of what I said.

Do you ever quit misrepresenting things?

Moving aged, underperforming, high $ veterans is vastly different than "trading most of your high level talent". Tomlinson, Dalvin Cook, Za Smith (the disgruntled version), Kendricks, Thielen, etc. Go back and look at their cap hits. Kwesi wisely let them go.

None of that involves tanking.

And how you lumped in Kwesi using credit cards being even remotely involved with tanking is beyond me.

Dammit Bill you wanted to gut the team that offseason.....that is tanking.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Weird many said tank last year and now they should of beat everyone this year.

Rethink those extremes.

"Many" were not advocating tanking. I damn sure was during the 0-3 start. But then we went 1-3, 1-4 (still a chance!), then 2-4 which put a damper on things.

As for this year, "many" did not think they should have beat everyone. Most were realistic, thought anything after at least 16 games was gravy, etc.

2023 you weren’t?

You literally did not read my post,

Oh I read it....You wanted to tank before that....but keep trying.

Provide such comments.

I have advocated playing the backups in a meaningless final game in order to gain say 5 draft positions. That isn't tanking the season like in the beginning of 2023 while going 0-3.

And any call for tanking is mostly just an idle desire because no player is going to intentionally play bad and no coach will coach bad. It would have to be the GM trading key players for future assets. JJ is the only player I seriously hoped they'd consider trading - that wasn't for tanking but for $ - and it would have required a boatload in return.

But again, show otherwise.

There was more than that Mr. Kwesi Credit Card all that offseason. You solidified you stance but in no way did it start after 1-3. It may have been the best opinion yet you still pretend.

More than that? Credit cards?

First, stay on topic and stop moving the goalposts.

Second, if you believe that saying Kwesi uses credit cards is somehow tied to tanking then I can't help you.

What's next in your topic drift?

Again...you said to tank and trade and cut as much as possible that offseason. Basically it was a good take for 2023 yet you say you didn't say it.
Trying to give you credit.
My take on the previous post was that we saw it both in 2022 and 2024 seasons and portion of 2023 with 3rd string QBs performances he is a top coach. Still need to give you coach the talent to win. A poor QB performance really showed the talent mismatch.

Maybe you need to work on the definition of tanking.

Offseason posts about cutting high-priced veterans who are not playing to the level of their contracts is about rebuilding, not tanking. And yeah, take the pain instead of half-assing it like blowing $40 million on a one-year Cousins extension. That basically meant getting ahead of the cap issues sooner.

I was saying you were right and you wouldn't take the credit...

Cutting or trading most of your high level talent for draft picks is tanking to me.

I'm not taking credit for a misrepresentation of what I said.

Do you ever quit misrepresenting things?

Moving aged, underperforming, high $ veterans is vastly different than "trading most of your high level talent". Tomlinson, Dalvin Cook, Za Smith (the disgruntled version), Kendricks, Thielen, etc. Go back and look at their cap hits. Kwesi wisely let them go.

None of that involves tanking.

And how you lumped in Kwesi using credit cards being even remotely involved with tanking is beyond me.

Dammit Bill you wanted to gut the team that offseason.....that is tanking.

Just stop distorting, which is what you routinely do.

I've explained the posts and thoughts behind cutting the deadwood, and explained how that's different from tanking.

Since you have direct access to my past posts, show where I wanted to cut building blocks like Darrisaw, Bynum, etc.

Not sure why you are fabricating things out of nowhere.. did you have money on the Chiefs?