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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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I said going into the playoffs that the two worst offensive lines in the playoffs were the Vikings and the Chiefs, and that it would be the ultimate undoing of the Vikings down the stretch. The Vikings nearly got their quarterback killed and the fans completely bailed on him following the loss. The Chiefs did the same to Mahomes in the Super Bowl and their fans are hammering the offensive line.

Different fan bases with different perspective.

Minnesota won 15 games with that quarterback and offensive line. Kansas City won 16 with that quarterback and offensive line. Only one of the franchises is going to be dumb enough to bail on their quarterback.

Where did the 15th win come from? I thought it was 14.

Bonus win for playing at USC

I see you guys found a mistake in my post. Congrats on that. I did notice, however, you weren't arguing the point I was making.

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ORIGINAL: marty

The resumes are just a little different when you consider Sam has never won a playoff game, and lost a big game that would have given the Vikings home field and a bye, while Mahomes has gotten a few byes, won some playoff games to get to 5 Super Bowls in 6 years, and won 3 of them.

I thought I saw a stat on ESPN that said that Mahome's teams have been behind by 10 or more points in each of his 5 Super Bowl appearances.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: marty

The resumes are just a little different when you consider Sam has never won a playoff game, and lost a big game that would have given the Vikings home field and a bye, while Mahomes has gotten a few byes, won some playoff games to get to 5 Super Bowls in 6 years, and won 3 of them.

I thought I saw a stat on ESPN that said that Mahome's teams have been behind by 10 or more points in each of his 5 Super Bowl appearances.

I never compared the abilities of Darnold to Mahomes. That was manufactured by other people in here that can't argue with the point I am making.

The point is, Darnold won 14 games with one of the worst offensive lines in football, getting sacked 48 times in the process. It should have been no surprise that he was eventually going to hook up with defenses that were going to figure out how to defend him.

Moving on from a guy that just won 14 games is a bit puzzling to me, especially when you have no idea what is behind him. JJ McCarthy played in a run-first offense in college, with an offensive line that rag-dolled most of its opponents. He's rarely closed out a half in a game where they needed him to produce under pressure.

If they don't fix the stuff up front, I'd be stunned if they won more than nine games next season

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: marty

The resumes are just a little different when you consider Sam has never won a playoff game, and lost a big game that would have given the Vikings home field and a bye, while Mahomes has gotten a few byes, won some playoff games to get to 5 Super Bowls in 6 years, and won 3 of them.

I thought I saw a stat on ESPN that said that Mahome's teams have been behind by 10 or more points in each of his 5 Super Bowl appearances.

I never compared the abilities of Darnold to Mahomes. That was manufactured by other people in here that can't argue with the point I am making.

The point is, Darnold won 14 games with one of the worst offensive lines in football, getting sacked 48 times in the process. It should have been no surprise that he was eventually going to hook up with defenses that were going to figure out how to defend him.

Moving on from a guy that just won 14 games is a bit puzzling to me, especially when you have no idea what is behind him. JJ McCarthy played in a run-first offense in college, with an offensive line that rag-dolled most of its opponents. He's rarely closed out a half in a game where they needed him to produce under pressure.

If they don't fix the stuff up front, I'd be stunned if they won more than nine games next season

Yet you couldn't wait to move on from Cousins after he won 13 games with the same shitty line and one of the 3 worst defesnses in football. The Lions destroyed Sam with a thoroughly depleted defense.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: marty

The resumes are just a little different when you consider Sam has never won a playoff game, and lost a big game that would have given the Vikings home field and a bye, while Mahomes has gotten a few byes, won some playoff games to get to 5 Super Bowls in 6 years, and won 3 of them.

I thought I saw a stat on ESPN that said that Mahome's teams have been behind by 10 or more points in each of his 5 Super Bowl appearances.

I never compared the abilities of Darnold to Mahomes. That was manufactured by other people in here that can't argue with the point I am making.

The point is, Darnold won 14 games with one of the worst offensive lines in football, getting sacked 48 times in the process. It should have been no surprise that he was eventually going to hook up with defenses that were going to figure out how to defend him.

Moving on from a guy that just won 14 games is a bit puzzling to me, especially when you have no idea what is behind him. JJ McCarthy played in a run-first offense in college, with an offensive line that rag-dolled most of its opponents. He's rarely closed out a half in a game where they needed him to produce under pressure.

If they don't fix the stuff up front, I'd be stunned if they won more than nine games next season

Yet you couldn't wait to move on from Cousins after he won 13 games with the same shitty line and one of the 3 worst defesnses in football. The Lions destroyed Sam with a thoroughly depleted defense.

Cousins was an old man at the time. No chance I was giving that guy a big contract. And he wasn't a leader, which we saw during COVID. Cousins has always been about Cousins. He's not a guy I would call upon to be my team leader during crunch time.

Not sure what that has to do with the off-season of 2025. Would you prefer we go back and get Cousins?

Again, deflections are not arguments. Tell me what JJ McCarthy has to offer, outside of hope. He currently has more knee injuries than completions in the NFL.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: marty

The resumes are just a little different when you consider Sam has never won a playoff game, and lost a big game that would have given the Vikings home field and a bye, while Mahomes has gotten a few byes, won some playoff games to get to 5 Super Bowls in 6 years, and won 3 of them.

I thought I saw a stat on ESPN that said that Mahome's teams have been behind by 10 or more points in each of his 5 Super Bowl appearances.

I never compared the abilities of Darnold to Mahomes. That was manufactured by other people in here that can't argue with the point I am making.

The point is, Darnold won 14 games with one of the worst offensive lines in football, getting sacked 48 times in the process. It should have been no surprise that he was eventually going to hook up with defenses that were going to figure out how to defend him.

Moving on from a guy that just won 14 games is a bit puzzling to me, especially when you have no idea what is behind him. JJ McCarthy played in a run-first offense in college, with an offensive line that rag-dolled most of its opponents. He's rarely closed out a half in a game where they needed him to produce under pressure.

If they don't fix the stuff up front, I'd be stunned if they won more than nine games next season

Yet you couldn't wait to move on from Cousins after he won 13 games with the same shitty line and one of the 3 worst defesnses in football. The Lions destroyed Sam with a thoroughly depleted defense.

Cousins was an old man at the time. No chance I was giving that guy a big contract. And he wasn't a leader, which we saw during COVID. Cousins has always been about Cousins. He's not a guy I would call upon to be my team leader during crunch time.

Not sure what that has to do with the off-season of 2025. Would you prefer we go back and get Cousins?

Again, deflections are not arguments. Tell me what JJ McCarthy has to offer, outside of hope. He currently has more knee injuries than completions in the NFL.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H
Cousins was an old man at the time. No chance I was giving that guy a big contract. And he wasn't a leader, which we saw during COVID. Cousins has always been about Cousins. He's not a guy I would call upon to be my team leader during crunch time.

Not sure what that has to do with the off-season of 2025. Would you prefer we go back and get Cousins?

Again, deflections are not arguments. Tell me what JJ McCarthy has to offer, outside of hope. He currently has more knee injuries than completions in the NFL.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H
Cousins was an old man at the time. No chance I was giving that guy a big contract. And he wasn't a leader, which we saw during COVID. Cousins has always been about Cousins. He's not a guy I would call upon to be my team leader during crunch time.

Not sure what that has to do with the off-season of 2025. Would you prefer we go back and get Cousins?

Again, deflections are not arguments. Tell me what JJ McCarthy has to offer, outside of hope. He currently has more knee injuries than completions in the NFL.

Just pointing out the inherent hypocrisy in what you are saying.

Cousins won 13 games and a division with same line and a worse team and you said he couldn't win the big games. Darnold folded like a cheap card table in the big games and you say he won 14 games.

Cousins piled up big numbers and you said he was a stat padder and that the only numbers that matter are in the last two minutes of each half. With Darnold you point to his big numbers.

I wanted Cousins gone when he checked us down and out of the playoffs. I want Darnold gone forthesame reason. They both shit the bed in the big games. If McCarthy offers hope, that's more than Darnold offers. McCarthy is an unknown. Darnold is known and what is known is that he isn't up to the big moments.

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Yet, nobody has told me what JJ McCarthy has to offer over a guy that just won 14 games despite getting sacked 48 times.


Yes, we have. Cheap rookie contract so that money can be spread out to make the team better overall.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Brad H
Cousins was an old man at the time. No chance I was giving that guy a big contract. And he wasn't a leader, which we saw during COVID. Cousins has always been about Cousins. He's not a guy I would call upon to be my team leader during crunch time.

Not sure what that has to do with the off-season of 2025. Would you prefer we go back and get Cousins?

Again, deflections are not arguments. Tell me what JJ McCarthy has to offer, outside of hope. He currently has more knee injuries than completions in the NFL.

Just pointing out the inherent hypocrisy in what you are saying.

Cousins won 13 games and a division with same line and a worse team and you said he couldn't win the big games. Darnold folded like a cheap card table in the big games and you say he won 14 games.

Cousins piled up big numbers and you said he was a stat padder and that the only numbers that matter are in the last two minutes of each half. With Darnold you point to his big numbers.

I wanted Cousins gone when he checked us down and out of the playoffs. I want Darnold gone forthesame reason. They both shit the bed in the big games. If McCarthy offers hope, that's more than Darnold offers. McCarthy is an unknown. Darnold is known and what is known is that he isn't up to the big moments.

It's not hypocrisy at all. I told you exactly why I didn't want Cousins.

Yet, nobody has told me what JJ McCarthy has to offer over a guy that just won 14 games despite getting sacked 48 times.

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ORIGINAL: marty

The resumes are just a little different when you consider Sam has never won a playoff game, and lost a big game that would have given the Vikings home field and a bye, while Mahomes has gotten a few byes, won some playoff games to get to 5 Super Bowls in 6 years, and won 3 of them.

I thought I saw a stat on ESPN that said that Mahome's teams have been behind by 10 or more points in each of his 5 Super Bowl appearances.

I never compared the abilities of Darnold to Mahomes. That was manufactured by other people in here that can't argue with the point I am making.

The point is, Darnold won 14 games with one of the worst offensive lines in football, getting sacked 48 times in the process. It should have been no surprise that he was eventually going to hook up with defenses that were going to figure out how to defend him.

Moving on from a guy that just won 14 games is a bit puzzling to me, especially when you have no idea what is behind him. JJ McCarthy played in a run-first offense in college, with an offensive line that rag-dolled most of its opponents. He's rarely closed out a half in a game where they needed him to produce under pressure.

If they don't fix the stuff up front, I'd be stunned if they won more than nine games next season

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

Yet, nobody has told me what JJ McCarthy has to offer over a guy that just won 14 games despite getting sacked 48 times.


Yes, we have. Cheap rookie contract so that money can be spread out to make the team better overall.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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Cousins was an old man at the time. No chance I was giving that guy a big contract. And he wasn't a leader, which we saw during COVID. Cousins has always been about Cousins. He's not a guy I would call upon to be my team leader during crunch time.

Not sure what that has to do with the off-season of 2025. Would you prefer we go back and get Cousins?

Again, deflections are not arguments. Tell me what JJ McCarthy has to offer, outside of hope. He currently has more knee injuries than completions in the NFL.

Just pointing out the inherent hypocrisy in what you are saying.

Cousins won 13 games and a division with same line and a worse team and you said he couldn't win the big games. Darnold folded like a cheap card table in the big games and you say he won 14 games.

Cousins piled up big numbers and you said he was a stat padder and that the only numbers that matter are in the last two minutes of each half. With Darnold you point to his big numbers.

I wanted Cousins gone when he checked us down and out of the playoffs. I want Darnold gone forthesame reason. They both shit the bed in the big games. If McCarthy offers hope, that's more than Darnold offers. McCarthy is an unknown. Darnold is known and what is known is that he isn't up to the big moments.

It's not hypocrisy at all. I told you exactly why I didn't want Cousins.

Yet, nobody has told me what JJ McCarthy has to offer over a guy that just won 14 games despite getting sacked 48 times.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

I said going into the playoffs that the two worst offensive lines in the playoffs were the Vikings and the Chiefs, and that it would be the ultimate undoing of the Vikings down the stretch. The Vikings nearly got their quarterback killed and the fans completely bailed on him following the loss. The Chiefs did the same to Mahomes in the Super Bowl and their fans are hammering the offensive line.

Different fan bases with different perspective.

Minnesota won 15 games with that quarterback and offensive line. Kansas City won 16 with that quarterback and offensive line. Only one of the franchises is going to be dumb enough to bail on their quarterback.

We don’t hate the guy. We are willing to resign him again for 10-15. The problem his is how much. Maybe you can email him and ask him to take less?

We will happily have him compete for the job.

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I said going into the playoffs that the two worst offensive lines in the playoffs were the Vikings and the Chiefs, and that it would be the ultimate undoing of the Vikings down the stretch. The Vikings nearly got their quarterback killed and the fans completely bailed on him following the loss. The Chiefs did the same to Mahomes in the Super Bowl and their fans are hammering the offensive line.

Different fan bases with different perspective.

Minnesota won 15 games with that quarterback and offensive line. Kansas City won 16 with that quarterback and offensive line. Only one of the franchises is going to be dumb enough to bail on their quarterback.

We don’t hate the guy. We are willing to resign him again for 10-15. The problem his is how much. Maybe you can email him and ask him to take less?

We will happily have him compete for the job.

We?

You speak for the board and fan base now?

$10-15M for a backup? Compete to start?

Not part of that group.

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The resumes are just a little different when you consider Sam has never won a playoff game, and lost a big game that would have given the Vikings home field and a bye, while Mahomes has gotten a few byes, won some playoff games to get to 5 Super Bowls in 6 years, and won 3 of them.

I thought I saw a stat on ESPN that said that Mahome's teams have been behind by 10 or more points in each of his 5 Super Bowl appearances.

I never compared the abilities of Darnold to Mahomes. That was manufactured by other people in here that can't argue with the point I am making.

The point is, Darnold won 14 games with one of the worst offensive lines in football, getting sacked 48 times in the process. It should have been no surprise that he was eventually going to hook up with defenses that were going to figure out how to defend him.

Moving on from a guy that just won 14 games is a bit puzzling to me, especially when you have no idea what is behind him. JJ McCarthy played in a run-first offense in college, with an offensive line that rag-dolled most of its opponents. He's rarely closed out a half in a game where they needed him to produce under pressure.

If they don't fix the stuff up front, I'd be stunned if they won more than nine games next season

I'm all ears on how to pay Darnold 40-45M and fix both lines and our secondary. Name some players and contract values.

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Cousins was an old man at the time. No chance I was giving that guy a big contract. And he wasn't a leader, which we saw during COVID. Cousins has always been about Cousins. He's not a guy I would call upon to be my team leader during crunch time.

Not sure what that has to do with the off-season of 2025. Would you prefer we go back and get Cousins?

Again, deflections are not arguments. Tell me what JJ McCarthy has to offer, outside of hope. He currently has more knee injuries than completions in the NFL.

Just pointing out the inherent hypocrisy in what you are saying.

Cousins won 13 games and a division with same line and a worse team and you said he couldn't win the big games. Darnold folded like a cheap card table in the big games and you say he won 14 games.

Cousins piled up big numbers and you said he was a stat padder and that the only numbers that matter are in the last two minutes of each half. With Darnold you point to his big numbers.

I wanted Cousins gone when he checked us down and out of the playoffs. I want Darnold gone forthesame reason. They both shit the bed in the big games. If McCarthy offers hope, that's more than Darnold offers. McCarthy is an unknown. Darnold is known and what is known is that he isn't up to the big moments.

It's not hypocrisy at all. I told you exactly why I didn't want Cousins.

Yet, nobody has told me what JJ McCarthy has to offer over a guy that just won 14 games despite getting sacked 48 times.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

Yet, nobody has told me what JJ McCarthy has to offer over a guy that just won 14 games despite getting sacked 48 times.


Yes, we have. Cheap rookie contract so that money can be spread out to make the team better overall.

Plus a lot of those sacks were due to holding the ball too long.

If Sam wants a 10-12 Million dollar contract again; they will be more than happy to have him back at that amount.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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Yet, nobody has told me what JJ McCarthy has to offer over a guy that just won 14 games despite getting sacked 48 times.


Yes, we have. Cheap rookie contract so that money can be spread out to make the team better overall.

Plus a lot of those sacks were due to holding the ball too long.

If Sam wants a 10-12 Million dollar contract again; they will be more than happy to have him back at that amount.

When we had Cousins you complained about him being a check-down quarterback. With Darnold, you complain about him holding the ball too long.

The latter of the two was trying to make plays to help the team win. The former was padding his completion and yardage stats for his future contract.