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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/26/2024 4:10:53 PM   
Daniel Lee Young

 

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The value of the exclusive franchise tag is the average of the top five salaries at the player's position for the current year or 120% of his previous salary (whichever is greater). These numbers aren't available until after restricted free agency ends.March5, 2024

In 2024, the transition tag price for an NFL quarterback is $34,367,000:

The transition tag is a one-year tender offer that's based on the average of the 10 highest-paid players at a given position over the previous five seasons. The tagging team has the right to match any offer a player receives from another team, but if they don't, the player can leave and the tagging team receives no compensation. This makes the transition tag less commonly used than other options.


I, personally, a hoping that JJM makes a full recovery, and plays very well, going forward on his rookie contract.

Darnold, if he continues to show that he has found his NFL caliber groove, through the rest of this season, will either be offered a decent contract of 1 - 2 years length as we transition from him to JJM.

If he is in line for a true starting caliber QB contract, based solely on success in the KOC system, backstopped, by BFlo’s smothering defense, then I hope we try to work something out, that keeps the success rolling, until JJM gets his full blown shot, to prove he was drafted to be our QBOTF..

I LIKE JJM.

He is mobile , seems pretty football savvy and takes coaching well.

But he could be a Christian Ponder, or worse, a KFC.

I am happy with Darnold, so far, how can anyone not be?

But if he “ reverts to his mean”, he can take a hike and I won’t miss him, or the 10’s of Millions per season his agent will be fishing for.

If Darnold can pull a freaking Rabbit out of his hat for 20 games and we FINALLY win a Super Bowl.

My concern and angst will evaporate like spit on a July sidewalk in Arizona, and what ever this team does, past that point, will be simply icing on a cake that I will eat and enjoy for the rest of my life.

I have been a diehard fan of this team for 57 years..

Just one, before I die, is a smaller and smaller window, every year.

< Message edited by Daniel Lee Young -- 9/26/2024 4:13:49 PM >
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/26/2024 4:52:02 PM   
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More Ice from hell....I have enjoyed watching the team so far.

Everyone talks QBs but both sides of the ball are contributing for the first time in a long time.....as good as Zimmer's defense was it didn't have this 4 man pass rush as Zim used the blitz so much. This defense reminds me of Doleman and Millard/Purple People Defenses but in a different way as those defenses did have some weaknesses that were exposed at times but Flores seems to scheme to the offenses weaknesses depending which team he is facing by the position flexibility of the roster.

This defense has been beyond entertaining. I remember the teams were we had 3-4 guys making all the plays.

That also puts less pressure on our QB....

< Message edited by Phil Riewer -- 9/26/2024 4:56:56 PM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/26/2024 5:36:57 PM   
Richard Neussendorfer

 

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Dan,
More Ice from hell....I have enjoyed watching the team so far.

Everyone talks QBs but both sides of the ball are contributing for the first time in a long time.....as good as Zimmer's defense was it didn't have this 4 man pass rush as Zim used the blitz so much. This defense reminds me of Doleman and Millard/Purple People Defenses but in a different way as those defenses did have some weaknesses that were exposed at times but Flores seems to scheme to the offenses weaknesses depending which team he is facing by the position flexibility of the roster.

This defense has been beyond entertaining. I remember the teams were we had 3-4 guys making all the plays.

That also puts less pressure on our QB....

Good point Phil. It's cool to wonder what guy is going to make the next big play on defense. I've been a fan since the 80s and it reminds me of the Doleman, Millard, Thomas, Noga, Browner, Lee defenses where it seemed like a different guy was making a play constantly. I'm sure enjoying seeing them come together like this. I just hope we keep it up!
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/26/2024 6:03:44 PM   
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Why wait on JJM? Let's trade him now. Then if Darnold reverts to being Darnold, we can again enter the offseason with the worst QB situation in the league.

The conclusions from just three games are nothing short of astounding.

I personally think we should trade Darnold, but not immediately. Bide our time, then the second the MVP votes are tabulated - BANG BOOM WHISTLE POP - pull the trigger. At the zenith of his trade value.

I saw enough of JJ in one preseason game to move on from 10 Darnolds.

Oh hell. After achieving the zenith of Darnold trade value, I’d even trade JJ too for maximum zenith trade value, if there was a prospect we fancied in the next draft.

Someone we could truly say was ‘our guy’.

None of this lucking out crap with draft bust Darnold and 4th choice JJ.

Can they trade Darnold at that point? He's only on a one year deal.

Options as I see it:

A. We could resign him to another one year deal.

Darnold then could put more good play on film and then hit FA. This is not out of the question because Darnold will realize this HC and with these weapons is a good situation.

B. Franchise him and sell him to the highest bidder.

For this to be an option Darnold will have to continue his steller play and win a playoff game. The only downfall to this option is that we would tie up 50+ml to begin the FA period and will miss out on the first wave.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/26/2024 6:22:48 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/26/2024 8:14:54 PM   
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I'm just saying ...

again for umpteenth time ...

if you respond to a post by saying 'you do this' or 'you do that' ... grammar and syntax require the original poster to take the comment as directed at them.

It feels like to me you think Ive got it in for you. I don't. I don't have it in for anyone.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/26/2024 9:05:41 PM   
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The better we do the more unique this situation becomes

I like where we are at.

Early in the off season, we were struggling to find one serviceable QB.

Now it looks like we have 2 good ones to pick from.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/26/2024 9:28:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		KOC picked JJM.
KOC believes he can mold him.
KOC has done a pretty remarkable job with Darnold (and others).

Unless we hoist the trophy.

Darnold isn't going to be resigned.

(it's a bit of a shame... with Vikes FA money next year it's unlikely a comp pick for Darnold won't be offset... probably not going to get any return)

jmo
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2024 12:42:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Why wait on JJM? Let's trade him now. Then if Darnold reverts to being Darnold, we can again enter the offseason with the worst QB situation in the league.

The conclusions from just three games are nothing short of astounding.

I personally think we should trade Darnold, but not immediately. Bide our time, then the second the MVP votes are tabulated - BANG BOOM WHISTLE POP - pull the trigger. At the zenith of his trade value.

I saw enough of JJ in one preseason game to move on from 10 Darnolds.

Oh hell. After achieving the zenith of Darnold trade value, I’d even trade JJ too for maximum zenith trade value, if there was a prospect we fancied in the next draft.

Someone we could truly say was ‘our guy’.

None of this lucking out crap with draft bust Darnold and 4th choice JJ.

Can they trade Darnold at that point? He's only on a one year deal.

Options as I see it:

A. We could resign him to another one year deal.

Darnold then could put more good play on film and then hit FA. This is not out of the question because Darnold will realize this HC and with these weapons is a good situation.

B. Franchise him and sell him to the highest bidder.

For this to be an option Darnold will have to continue his steller play and win a playoff game. The only downfall to this option is that we would tie up 50+ml to begin the FA period and will miss out on the first wave.

And if nobody picks up the franchise option?
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2024 6:59:59 AM   
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KOC picked JJM.
KOC believes he can mold him.
KOC has done a pretty remarkable job with Darnold (and others).

Unless we hoist the trophy.

Darnold isn't going to be resigned.


Probably right.

I’m eager for JJM to get it going. I think there’s a point shy of winning the SB you have to want more than a very green guy..
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2024 7:14:58 AM   
Bill Jandro

 

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Why wait on JJM? Let's trade him now. Then if Darnold reverts to being Darnold, we can again enter the offseason with the worst QB situation in the league.

The conclusions from just three games are nothing short of astounding.

I personally think we should trade Darnold, but not immediately. Bide our time, then the second the MVP votes are tabulated - BANG BOOM WHISTLE POP - pull the trigger. At the zenith of his trade value.

I saw enough of JJ in one preseason game to move on from 10 Darnolds.

Oh hell. After achieving the zenith of Darnold trade value, I’d even trade JJ too for maximum zenith trade value, if there was a prospect we fancied in the next draft.

Someone we could truly say was ‘our guy’.

None of this lucking out crap with draft bust Darnold and 4th choice JJ.

Can they trade Darnold at that point? He's only on a one year deal.

Options as I see it:

A. We could resign him to another one year deal.

Darnold then could put more good play on film and then hit FA. This is not out of the question because Darnold will realize this HC and with these weapons is a good situation.

B. Franchise him and sell him to the highest bidder.

For this to be an option Darnold will have to continue his steller play and win a playoff game. The only downfall to this option is that we would tie up 50+ml to begin the FA period and will miss out on the first wave.

And if nobody picks up the franchise option?

The team trading for him would most likely sign him to a long term contract. If no one wants to trade for him (keep in mind competent qb play is in high demand) we can drop the tag and he will become a FA.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2024 7:21:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

quote:

ORIGINAL: TJSweens

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Why wait on JJM? Let's trade him now. Then if Darnold reverts to being Darnold, we can again enter the offseason with the worst QB situation in the league.

The conclusions from just three games are nothing short of astounding.

I personally think we should trade Darnold, but not immediately. Bide our time, then the second the MVP votes are tabulated - BANG BOOM WHISTLE POP - pull the trigger. At the zenith of his trade value.

I saw enough of JJ in one preseason game to move on from 10 Darnolds.

Oh hell. After achieving the zenith of Darnold trade value, I’d even trade JJ too for maximum zenith trade value, if there was a prospect we fancied in the next draft.

Someone we could truly say was ‘our guy’.

None of this lucking out crap with draft bust Darnold and 4th choice JJ.

Can they trade Darnold at that point? He's only on a one year deal.

Options as I see it:

A. We could resign him to another one year deal.

Darnold then could put more good play on film and then hit FA. This is not out of the question because Darnold will realize this HC and with these weapons is a good situation.

B. Franchise him and sell him to the highest bidder.

For this to be an option Darnold will have to continue his steller play and win a playoff game. The only downfall to this option is that we would tie up 50+ml to begin the FA period and will miss out on the first wave.

And if nobody picks up the franchise option?

The team trading for him would most likely sign him to a long term contract. If no one wants to trade for him (keep in mind competent qb play is in high demand) we can drop the tag and he will become a FA.


Franchise tag puts him at top 5 of position in salary....they won't be franchising him. QUARTERBACKS: $38,301,000 (non-exclusive), $34,367,000 (transition)

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2024 7:38:15 AM   
Bill Jandro

 

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

quote:

ORIGINAL: TJSweens

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Why wait on JJM? Let's trade him now. Then if Darnold reverts to being Darnold, we can again enter the offseason with the worst QB situation in the league.

The conclusions from just three games are nothing short of astounding.

I personally think we should trade Darnold, but not immediately. Bide our time, then the second the MVP votes are tabulated - BANG BOOM WHISTLE POP - pull the trigger. At the zenith of his trade value.

I saw enough of JJ in one preseason game to move on from 10 Darnolds.

Oh hell. After achieving the zenith of Darnold trade value, I’d even trade JJ too for maximum zenith trade value, if there was a prospect we fancied in the next draft.

Someone we could truly say was ‘our guy’.

None of this lucking out crap with draft bust Darnold and 4th choice JJ.

Can they trade Darnold at that point? He's only on a one year deal.

Options as I see it:

A. We could resign him to another one year deal.

Darnold then could put more good play on film and then hit FA. This is not out of the question because Darnold will realize this HC and with these weapons is a good situation.

B. Franchise him and sell him to the highest bidder.

For this to be an option Darnold will have to continue his steller play and win a playoff game. The only downfall to this option is that we would tie up 50+ml to begin the FA period and will miss out on the first wave.

And if nobody picks up the franchise option?

The team trading for him would most likely sign him to a long term contract. If no one wants to trade for him (keep in mind competent qb play is in high demand) we can drop the tag and he will become a FA.


Franchise tag puts him at top 5 of position in salary....they won't be franchising him. QUARTERBACKS: $38,301,000 (non-exclusive), $34,367,000 (transition)

The tag in this instance is merely a tool to hold him under our control until a trade is facilitated.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2024 9:05:37 AM   
Bill Johanesen


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Status: offline 		From Pro Football Network: Franchise tags are fully guaranteed. As soon as the player signs the tender, his one-year salary cannot be rescinded, even if he’s traded.

So before the ink on the offer is dry, we could be on the hook for about $40 million, uncertain as to the outcome, while JJM rots.

The only way Darnold gets that bag is if the Vikes win the SB. Like Dan brought up, after that I don't care. They can give him ownership of the team. The first player/owner. HC too for that matter.

< Message edited by Bill Johanesen -- 9/27/2024 9:15:27 AM >
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2024 9:14:13 AM   
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I'm just saying ...

again for umpteenth time ...

if you respond to a post by saying 'you do this' or 'you do that' ... grammar and syntax require the original poster to take the comment as directed at them.

It feels like to me you think Ive got it in for you. I don't. I don't have it in for anyone.

I merely explained the context of my response.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2024 9:26:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

I'm just saying ...

again for umpteenth time ...

if you respond to a post by saying 'you do this' or 'you do that' ... grammar and syntax require the original poster to take the comment as directed at them.

It feels like to me you think Ive got it in for you. I don't. I don't have it in for anyone.

I merely explained the context of my response.

Ok.

I could of brought up the same subj without quoting someone - just went for it after reading your post
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2024 9:33:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Why wait on JJM? Let's trade him now. Then if Darnold reverts to being Darnold, we can again enter the offseason with the worst QB situation in the league.

The conclusions from just three games are nothing short of astounding.

I personally think we should trade Darnold, but not immediately. Bide our time, then the second the MVP votes are tabulated - BANG BOOM WHISTLE POP - pull the trigger. At the zenith of his trade value.

I saw enough of JJ in one preseason game to move on from 10 Darnolds.

Oh hell. After achieving the zenith of Darnold trade value, I’d even trade JJ too for maximum zenith trade value, if there was a prospect we fancied in the next draft.

Someone we could truly say was ‘our guy’.

None of this lucking out crap with draft bust Darnold and 4th choice JJ.

Can they trade Darnold at that point? He's only on a one year deal.

Options as I see it:

A. We could resign him to another one year deal.

Darnold then could put more good play on film and then hit FA. This is not out of the question because Darnold will realize this HC and with these weapons is a good situation.

B. Franchise him and sell him to the highest bidder.

For this to be an option Darnold will have to continue his steller play and win a playoff game. The only downfall to this option is that we would tie up 50+ml to begin the FA period and will miss out on the first wave.

And if nobody picks up the franchise option?

The team trading for him would most likely sign him to a long term contract. If no one wants to trade for him (keep in mind competent qb play is in high demand) we can drop the tag and he will become a FA.


Franchise tag puts him at top 5 of position in salary....they won't be franchising him. QUARTERBACKS: $38,301,000 (non-exclusive), $34,367,000 (transition)

The tag in this instance is merely a tool to hold him under our control until a trade is facilitated.


I understand where you are going with it but it would be the exact opposite of their plan that allowed them to stack the defense with more talent....

Odds are very low.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2024 11:57:29 AM   
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https://andscape.com/features/is-the-nfl-ready-to-give-brian-flores-a-second-chance/
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2024 12:16:12 PM   
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Dan,
More Ice from hell....I have enjoyed watching the team so far.

Everyone talks QBs but both sides of the ball are contributing for the first time in a long time.....as good as Zimmer's defense was it didn't have this 4 man pass rush as Zim used the blitz so much. This defense reminds me of Doleman and Millard/Purple People Defenses but in a different way as those defenses did have some weaknesses that were exposed at times but Flores seems to scheme to the offenses weaknesses depending which team he is facing by the position flexibility of the roster.

This defense has been beyond entertaining. I remember the teams were we had 3-4 guys making all the plays.

That also puts less pressure on our QB....


Have seen a couple of segments including Tony Dungy that put this week's game as a litmus test for this D. Will show whether they can stop a power run game (with Willis also being able to keep it and run). Seems like we were getting gashed by Mason until SF went away from it.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2024 12:25:42 PM   
Daniel Lee Young

 

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Status: offline 		All that we need this team to do is put the puke in a hole, behind the sticks and the scoreboard and their running game wil evaporate..

I have faith that the defense will rise to the occ.. nothing motivates like puker green and piss yellow..
We beat them at lambs blow last October, before our QB situation turned into a shit show.

I don’t see that happening.

Doubters gotta doubt.

I am choosing to be positive.. it’s the only thing carrying e along this month.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2024 12:55:10 PM   
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Keep it clean on TO’s and roll….

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2024 2:24:34 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2024 3:10:27 PM   
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Is the NFL ready to give Brian Flores a second chance?

https://andscape.com/features/is-the-nfl-ready-to-give-brian-flores-a-second-chance/


Boy, I hope not! I want about three more years with him as dc. And I hate the 3-4 base defense!
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2024 3:19:53 PM   
Todd M

 

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I hope Addison is ready to produce. Nailor was doing great.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2024 3:31:54 PM   
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Not bad. We’ll just be wo Pace this Sunday.

I hope Addison is ready to produce. Nailor was doing great.

I would love to see some 3 wr sets this week with all 3 in quite a bit. Nailor should do very well against 3rd corners.
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