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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 9/30/2025 9:52:01 AM   
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Browns, Eagles, Chargers and Lions. Good luck with those four defenses the next four weeks. At some point they're going to have to put the young kid back in the lineup with what is now a broken down offensive line.

We'll see how much of a "Quarterback Whisperer" that O'Connell is. My hunch is, we'll have the "whisperer" part down pretty well four weeks from now (in that we will be very quiet on offense).

KOC is no quarterback whisperer. In the big moments all his qbs melt down. Dobbs got worse the more he played in his system. Now he's scared to play the young guy that barely got any action in college or the pros. I'd like to see McCarthy get reps but it doesn't seem like it's going to happen anytime soon. He's going to have to learn the position some time but I doubt KOC is the right guy to teach him anyways.

The Vikings made a big bet on McCarthy. At some point they are going to need to see him play. You can only hide behind an ankle sprain for so long. Unfortunately, O'Connell saw what everybody else saw.....a kid that isn't very good. IMO, that's why he is on the bench.

If McCarthy plays this week, pick up the Cleveland defense in your fantasy league.


Right. And Wentz was no good, and neither was Darnold when we got exposed late last year, just like you said.

You make pretty big assumptions/guesses/wishful thinking on McCarthy and what KOC thinks about him with no evidence. Maybe you are a bit biased here....

I'm pretty sure he isn't all that hurt. He played the rest of the game without limitations. They never even gave him 1-2 days to evaluate the injury. He was out of the lineup a couple of hours after the game.

I know it sounds Oliver Stone of me, but I don't think the kid is that hurt. I think O'Connell saw a kid that had zero idea what he was doing out there. This ain't Rutgers any more.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 9/30/2025 9:57:02 AM   
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Browns, Eagles, Chargers and Lions. Good luck with those four defenses the next four weeks. At some point they're going to have to put the young kid back in the lineup with what is now a broken down offensive line.

We'll see how much of a "Quarterback Whisperer" that O'Connell is. My hunch is, we'll have the "whisperer" part down pretty well four weeks from now (in that we will be very quiet on offense).

KOC is no quarterback whisperer. In the big moments all his qbs melt down. Dobbs got worse the more he played in his system. Now he's scared to play the young guy that barely got any action in college or the pros. I'd like to see McCarthy get reps but it doesn't seem like it's going to happen anytime soon. He's going to have to learn the position some time but I doubt KOC is the right guy to teach him anyways.

The Vikings made a big bet on McCarthy. At some point they are going to need to see him play. You can only hide behind an ankle sprain for so long. Unfortunately, O'Connell saw what everybody else saw.....a kid that isn't very good. IMO, that's why he is on the bench.

If McCarthy plays this week, pick up the Cleveland defense in your fantasy league.


Right. And Wentz was no good, and neither was Darnold when we got exposed late last year, just like you said.

You make pretty big assumptions/guesses/wishful thinking on McCarthy and what KOC thinks about him with no evidence. Maybe you are a bit biased here....

I'm pretty sure he isn't all that hurt. He played the rest of the game without limitations. They never even gave him 1-2 days to evaluate the injury. He was out of the lineup a couple of hours after the game.

I know it sounds Oliver Stone of me, but I don't think the kid is that hurt. I think O'Connell saw a kid that had zero idea what he was doing out there. This ain't Rutgers any more.

All I know is he had 1 great quarter and 7 absolutely dreadful quarters. From what I see he screams project. He didn't get a lot of reps over the years for what's required in this league. He isn't going to get better holding a clipboard.
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 9/30/2025 10:20:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think we all agree that JJM had 1 good quarter, and that's it. That is also about what Wentz and Darnold have had over the last 6 games.

The point is that it is IMPOSSIBLE to evaluate QB performance by any of them when the OL and play calling are so horrid.

Could JJM be a horrible NFL QB? Of course! Could be be a very good NFL QB? Of course!

We need more film to know, and it would be helpful if the rest of the offense wasn't a flaming pile of dogsghit. The last two games of last year are a case study in that point.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 9/30/2025 10:27:13 AM   
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I think we all agree that JJM had 1 good quarter, and that's it. That is also about what Wentz and Darnold have had over the last 6 games.

The point is that it is IMPOSSIBLE to evaluate QB performance by any of them when the OL and play calling are so horrid.

Could JJM be a horrible NFL QB? Of course! Could be be a very good NFL QB? Of course!

We need more film to know, and it would be helpful if the rest of the offense wasn't a flaming pile of dogsghit. The last two games of last year are a case study in that point.

Great points Lars. I agree.
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 9/30/2025 10:39:02 AM   
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I was psyched when they brought in Kelly. Thinking we finally will shore up the interior. Only to then realize the dude has been riddled with concussions and that's why he was allowed to leave.
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 9/30/2025 12:07:11 PM   
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The point is that it is IMPOSSIBLE to evaluate QB performance by any of them when the OL and play calling are so horrid.



You were perfectly capable of evaluating Darnold after the playoff loss. It seems your argument waffles to meet the latest agenda.

Well, at least you now agree that the loss to the Rams wasn't Darnold's fault. It's a start.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 9/30/2025 12:14:22 PM   
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The point is that it is IMPOSSIBLE to evaluate QB performance by any of them when the OL and play calling are so horrid.



You were perfectly capable of evaluating Darnold after the playoff loss. It seems your argument waffles to meet the latest agenda.

Well, at least you now agree that the loss to the Rams wasn't Darnold's fault. It's a start.


Now do the Lions game where their defense was decimated*, Sam was sacked twice and he missed wide-open WRs all game long.

*Points given up:
Game 14: 31 Points
Game 15: 48 Points
Game 16: 17 Points (Bears)
Game 17: 34 Points
Game 18: 9 Points (Vikings)
Playoff: 45 Points
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 9/30/2025 12:18:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't care about Darnold. He is not on this team any more. And I think the totality of his career so far speaks for itself. He could end up being great. I have no idea. And he is not a Viking, so I don't care. You seem to care a lot, and that is your prerogative.

What I do care about is the poor performance by our offense, regardless of who has been QB as of late.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 9/30/2025 12:26:09 PM   
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The point is that it is IMPOSSIBLE to evaluate QB performance by any of them when the OL and play calling are so horrid.



You were perfectly capable of evaluating Darnold after the playoff loss. It seems your argument waffles to meet the latest agenda.

Well, at least you now agree that the loss to the Rams wasn't Darnold's fault. It's a start.


Only to the extent that I did not see him as some stud QB who could overcome poor play by others and carry a team on his back and demand a payday commensurate with that.

But again, who cares. Bro is on another team. I've moved on to our current team and roster.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 9/30/2025 12:37:42 PM   
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https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-football/michigan/news/vikings-get-positive-update-jj-mccarthys-return-injury/e566331ee6f8e4d51f7f5993

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 9/30/2025 12:39:37 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 9/30/2025 12:45:26 PM   
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Browns, Eagles, Chargers and Lions. Good luck with those four defenses the next four weeks. At some point they're going to have to put the young kid back in the lineup with what is now a broken down offensive line.

We'll see how much of a "Quarterback Whisperer" that O'Connell is. My hunch is, we'll have the "whisperer" part down pretty well four weeks from now (in that we will be very quiet on offense).

KOC is no quarterback whisperer. In the big moments all his qbs melt down. Dobbs got worse the more he played in his system. Now he's scared to play the young guy that barely got any action in college or the pros. I'd like to see McCarthy get reps but it doesn't seem like it's going to happen anytime soon. He's going to have to learn the position some time but I doubt KOC is the right guy to teach him anyways.

The Vikings made a big bet on McCarthy. At some point they are going to need to see him play. You can only hide behind an ankle sprain for so long. Unfortunately, O'Connell saw what everybody else saw.....a kid that isn't very good. IMO, that's why he is on the bench.

If McCarthy plays this week, pick up the Cleveland defense in your fantasy league.


Right. And Wentz was no good, and neither was Darnold when we got exposed late last year, just like you said.

You make pretty big assumptions/guesses/wishful thinking on McCarthy and what KOC thinks about him with no evidence. Maybe you are a bit biased here....

I'm pretty sure he isn't all that hurt. He played the rest of the game without limitations. They never even gave him 1-2 days to evaluate the injury. He was out of the lineup a couple of hours after the game.

I know it sounds Oliver Stone of me, but I don't think the kid is that hurt. I think O'Connell saw a kid that had zero idea what he was doing out there. This ain't Rutgers any more.



Actually your incessant blather sounds Harold Ramis of you, he being the director of Groundhog Day.

Besides Marty pushing David Boston and Bernardo Harris, there has never been a poster here so obsessed with a player and the myriad of tangential factors related to this mythical player.

Darnold is gone. He will stay gone. Any notions on how he would have done here is pure conjecture. This is Year Two of your obsession. Why don't you get over it? Or carry it on through next year (year 3) and the year after (year 4). Hell, make it your life's work. Whatever floats your boat.
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 9/30/2025 1:08:21 PM   
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Cool. Start him.

I agree. I say no better time than the present to perform the lobotomy. Rutgers ain't walking through that door any time soon.

This whole nonsense that he needs to be 101% before he plays is just that, total nonsense. There isn't a starting quarterback in the league that is 100% right now.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 9/30/2025 1:12:25 PM   
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Cool. Start him.

I agree. I say no better time than the present to perform the lobotomy. Rutgers ain't walking through that door any time soon.

This whole nonsense that he needs to be 101% before he plays is just that, total nonsense. There isn't a starting quarterback in the league that is 100% right now.

It reeks of protectionism. KOC sold us a bill of goods that he was so ready he didn't even need preseason reps. He doesn't want to look stupid. Even though either way he does. Just MHO.
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 9/30/2025 1:13:10 PM   
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Cool. Start him.

I agree. I say no better time than the present to perform the lobotomy.


Not sure why you seem to despise a guy on your team so much that has played only two starts. Seems kinda odd.

Anyhow, let's let the kid play and see what kind of conclusions we can draw from it. Not gonna find out if he's sitting on the bench.

As a Vikings fan, I hope he wildly succeeds and is our franchise QB who leads us to some SB victories. If he isn't, that's a bummer. Move on to the next guy.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 9/30/2025 1:15:43 PM   
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Cool. Start him.

I agree. I say no better time than the present to perform the lobotomy. Rutgers ain't walking through that door any time soon.

This whole nonsense that he needs to be 101% before he plays is just that, total nonsense. There isn't a starting quarterback in the league that is 100% right now.


Rutgers in the NFCN now? Ohio State? Alabama? Washington?

But if he is healthy, play him. Period.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 9/30/2025 1:22:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Everyone agrees he should play and start if healthy.

Everyone agrees the OL and playcalling have been putrid.

Everyone agrees that 2-4 over the last 6 games sucks, with 3 different QB.

Everyone agrees that KOC and KAM have put us in this position.

Everyone agrees that Darnold (like KFC, Dobbs, Keenum, JGeorge, Bradford, etc.) is not on this roster any more.

Everyone agrees that JJM has played two NFL starts.

Everyone SHOULD agree that two starts is not enough to evaluate a QBs career or prospects long-term, especially in light of the above.

So perhaps we can move on to a new topic or rational discussion about our offensive woes without talking about dudes that aren't here or bizarre Oliver Stone theories.

But that's just me. Rehashing this tired shit over and over doesn't do anything for me and doesn't have anything to do with today or tomorrow.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 9/30/2025 1:22:31 PM   
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Cool. Start him.

I agree. I say no better time than the present to perform the lobotomy.


Not sure why you seem to despise a guy on your team so much that has played only two starts. Seems kinda odd.

Anyhow, let's let the kid play and see what kind of conclusions we can draw from it. Not gonna find out if he's sitting on the bench.

As a Vikings fan, I hope he wildly succeeds and is our franchise QB who leads us to some SB victories. If he isn't, that's a bummer. Move on to the next guy.

Bingo!!!!
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 9/30/2025 2:42:11 PM   
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Cool. Start him.

I agree. I say no better time than the present to perform the lobotomy.


Not sure why you seem to despise a guy on your team so much that has played only two starts. Seems kinda odd.

Anyhow, let's let the kid play and see what kind of conclusions we can draw from it. Not gonna find out if he's sitting on the bench.

As a Vikings fan, I hope he wildly succeeds and is our franchise QB who leads us to some SB victories. If he isn't, that's a bummer. Move on to the next guy.


Easy to diagnose from history. The Vikes are at best his third favorite team. USC, TB, and Vikes. Add to that he hates Michigan.

Darnold wasn't KOC or Kwesi's choice for this year. It was Jones. Then Wentz (once he dropped his asking price).

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 9/30/2025 3:06:19 PM   
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Browns, Eagles, Chargers and Lions. Good luck with those four defenses the next four weeks. At some point they're going to have to put the young kid back in the lineup with what is now a broken down offensive line.

We'll see how much of a "Quarterback Whisperer" that O'Connell is. My hunch is, we'll have the "whisperer" part down pretty well four weeks from now (in that we will be very quiet on offense).

KOC is no quarterback whisperer. In the big moments all his qbs melt down. Dobbs got worse the more he played in his system. Now he's scared to play the young guy that barely got any action in college or the pros. I'd like to see McCarthy get reps but it doesn't seem like it's going to happen anytime soon. He's going to have to learn the position some time but I doubt KOC is the right guy to teach him anyways.

The Vikings made a big bet on McCarthy. At some point they are going to need to see him play. You can only hide behind an ankle sprain for so long. Unfortunately, O'Connell saw what everybody else saw.....a kid that isn't very good. IMO, that's why he is on the bench.

If McCarthy plays this week, pick up the Cleveland defense in your fantasy league.


Right. And Wentz was no good, and neither was Darnold when we got exposed late last year, just like you said.

You make pretty big assumptions/guesses/wishful thinking on McCarthy and what KOC thinks about him with no evidence. Maybe you are a bit biased here....

I'm pretty sure he isn't all that hurt. He played the rest of the game without limitations. They never even gave him 1-2 days to evaluate the injury. He was out of the lineup a couple of hours after the game.

I know it sounds Oliver Stone of me, but I don't think the kid is that hurt. I think O'Connell saw a kid that had zero idea what he was doing out there. This ain't Rutgers any more.



Actually your incessant blather sounds Harold Ramis of you, he being the director of Groundhog Day.

Besides Marty pushing David Boston and Bernardo Harris, there has never been a poster here so obsessed with a player and the myriad of tangential factors related to this mythical player.

Darnold is gone. He will stay gone. Any notions on how he would have done here is pure conjecture. This is Year Two of your obsession. Why don't you get over it? Or carry it on through next year (year 3) and the year after (year 4). Hell, make it your life's work. Whatever floats your boat.

'Incessant blather' ... good one.

Darnold has been gone less than a year but the constant whining makes it feel like ancient history.

14-3 ... Brad's like: let's focus on the first three quarters of this game and ignore the horrific final two minutes, because 'my' lame talking point is more important than whatever happened to the team.
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 9/30/2025 3:09:30 PM   
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Everyone agrees he should play and start if healthy.

Everyone agrees the OL and playcalling have been putrid.

Everyone agrees that 2-4 over the last 6 games sucks, with 3 different QB.

Everyone agrees that KOC and KAM have put us in this position.

Everyone agrees that Darnold (like KFC, Dobbs, Keenum, JGeorge, Bradford, etc.) is not on this roster any more.

Everyone agrees that JJM has played two NFL starts.

Everyone SHOULD agree that two starts is not enough to evaluate a QBs career or prospects long-term, especially in light of the above.

So perhaps we can move on to a new topic or rational discussion about our offensive woes without talking about dudes that aren't here or bizarre Oliver Stone theories.

But that's just me. Rehashing this tired shit over and over doesn't do anything for me and doesn't have anything to do with today or tomorrow.

Its hard to move on when dumb and dumber keep flicking your ear lobe and making 'a most annoying sound'.
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 9/30/2025 3:16:07 PM   
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Sounds like the Browns are gonna give third-round rookie Dillon Gabriel his first NFL start this Sunday against the Vikings.
It probably makes more sense than sticking with Flacco, but I certainly don’t envy the challenge Gabriel is about to face against Brian Flores’ defense…

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Hopefully. Although, historically we have a way of making backups not named Browning look pretty good.

KOC does seem to have quite a bit of luck coming up against other teams' backup QBs. At least it seems like it.
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 9/30/2025 6:17:15 PM   
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The team has announced that right tackle Brian O’Neill has been diagnosed with an MCL sprain.
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/1/2025 8:06:27 AM   
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"It’s become clear the Vikings will take their sweet time with getting McCarthy back into the lineup, if he gets his job back when he’s fully cleared. McCarthy is not wearing a boot or brace and is reportedly OK after his mysterious Week 2 ankle injury, which was only revealed after the game."


Well looky here, it seems as if I were right! I'm telling you, this kid ain't hurt. Something smells very fishy about this situation.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/1/2025 8:10:23 AM   
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Cool. Start him.

I agree. I say no better time than the present to perform the lobotomy. Rutgers ain't walking through that door any time soon.

This whole nonsense that he needs to be 101% before he plays is just that, total nonsense. There isn't a starting quarterback in the league that is 100% right now.


Rutgers in the NFCN now? Ohio State? Alabama? Washington?

But if he is healthy, play him. Period.

I'm telling you, he ain't hurt!

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