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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/24/2025 10:14:53 AM   
Tom Sykes

 

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Just last week, KOC boasted to the media that the health of the players was ‘our first second third and only consideration.’

So JJs tender ankle deserves more consideration than watching Wentz get dismembered and thrown in a wood chipper? Boyish Brosmer should have been put in the game much much earlier.

I grow colder and colder to this team and this game. So cold, I had very little empathy for Wentz writhing in physical and spiritual agony on the sideline.
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/24/2025 10:25:18 AM   
Bill Johanesen


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Status: offline 		I don't get the hate on Wentz over the past couple of weeks.

He was brought in to be a backup for $1.5 million. Hold down the fort for a couple of weeks. And he did that, with the Vikings going 2-1.

He is who you should have thought he was!
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/24/2025 10:26:24 AM   
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A good team requires a good core. A good core is built through good drafts. KAM has had a series of terrible drafts. He keeps using free agency to retool around an eroding core. We suddenly have a team of journeymen with no identity. KAM has shown no signs of figuring it out.

KOC's identity as a QB whisperer is greatly overstated. Cousins put up big numbers before KOC arrived. Darnold was a #3 overall pick, who got a chance to breath and reboot with the Niners before coming here. On top of that, he runs a poorly constructed scheme and makes baffling in game decisions.

Flores looks like he's been figured out. His aging players don't help.

There isn't anything wrong with Flores. The offense was on the field for 20:56 and generated just 12 first downs. At some point you get worn down.

The offense is a complete mess from top to bottom. The game plan, the play-calling, the personnel, the injuries, you name it. It's a shit show with no leader.

The defense has been dogwalked down the the field on opening drives all year. This isn't a too much time on the field issue.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/24/2025 10:29:09 AM   
Bill Johanesen


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Status: offline 		Wentz is literally a record setting journeyman with a twist, having actually played for 5 teams in 5 years BEFORE he signed here.

What did people expect?
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/24/2025 10:54:55 AM   
Richard Neussendorfer

 

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Wentz is literally a record setting journeyman with a twist, having actually played for 5 teams in 5 years BEFORE he signed here.

What did people expect?

Why give away picks when Howell would've done just as good if not better?
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/24/2025 10:57:38 AM   
Bill Johanesen


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Wentz is literally a record setting journeyman with a twist, having actually played for 5 teams in 5 years BEFORE he signed here.

What did people expect?

Why give away picks when Howell would've done just as good if not better?


Sure. My point is it's not on Wentz himself. He is what he is.
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/24/2025 11:00:18 AM   
Richard Neussendorfer

 

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Wentz is literally a record setting journeyman with a twist, having actually played for 5 teams in 5 years BEFORE he signed here.

What did people expect?

Why give away picks when Howell would've done just as good if not better?


Sure. My point is it's not on Wentz himself. He is what he is.

I actually gained respect for him as Commodus was witnessing his sacrifice with a headset on. Dude was flogged for 3 hours.
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/24/2025 6:07:51 PM   
Tom Sykes

 

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

I don't get the hate on Wentz over the past couple of weeks.

He was brought in to be a backup for $1.5 million. Hold down the fort for a couple of weeks. And he did that, with the Vikings going 2-1.

He is who you should have thought he was!

You are right about expectations ... although I suppose the once-a-game solid series kept those expectations from being chucked altogether.

Hoping for the next game to produce more of the good stuff, less of the atrocious.

The point is moot, its time for JJ and his now perfect ankle.

As far as Wentz, I'm not sure I've ever seen a player rolling around in pain like that ... series after series ... that wasn't from a game ending injury.

We pulled him out just short of having his eyeballs squished and his guts ripped out.

I don't know. I wanted to watch football, not football mixed with Shakespearean tragedy every couple of minutes.
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/24/2025 6:57:05 PM   
David Levine


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Status: online 		It’s interesting that the NFL jumped on Al Michaels for saying that Will Reichard’s FGA in London hit a wire.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/nfl-is-sensitive-about-will-reichard-field-goal-that-apparently-hit-wire-in-london
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/24/2025 7:23:44 PM   
Richard Neussendorfer

 

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It’s interesting that the NFL jumped on Al Michaels for saying that Will Reichard’s FGA in London hit a wire.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/nfl-is-sensitive-about-will-reichard-field-goal-that-apparently-hit-wire-in-london

Kind of makes me understand why it's listed under "entertainment" not sports.
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/25/2025 7:42:18 AM   
BisonFan

 

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Status: offline 		I know the offense has been bad for multiple reasons starting with the offensive line. If we don't get healthy there it won't matter who the QB is. I appreciate Wentz filling in and getting abused on Thursday, but JJ better step up and give us hope for the rest of the season and going into the future. My biggest disappointment is the defense. Flores is quickly coaching is way out of a head coach opportunity. Every damn game the other team makes easy completions in the middle of the field for first downs and more. Finally, KOC better stop thinking he is the smartest man on the sidelines and run the damn ball. No more cute pass plays on 3 and 1.
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/25/2025 7:59:04 AM   
Bill Jandro

 

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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KAM was a risk. No doubt. He was the shiny new toy, analytics, wall st., said all the right things, had exposure to SF front office (pretty good at personnel), and he may have been well respected in both SF and Cle

But, the reality is he never had to make football decisions and be the guy for personnel, drafting, etc

It's coming back to bite them. As most have said, any players worth anything were from the Spielman era

KAM may be a good cap guy, but he seems woefully deficient on identifying good, young talent.
Having Grigson as you Asst doesn't help. He was a disaster in Indy.

He didn't have the gonads to do a full rebuild, he's succumbed to this competitive reubuild crap, and extending older, washed players.


Why is he a good cap guy?

He took a year too long to clear out the deadwood veteran contracts.
He has overpaid for a lot of players.
He does the typical contract backload and void year additions.
He's already $37M in the hole for next year (haven't checked on who our pending UFAs are).

Kwesi basically hit FA out of the park last year. He freed us from Cousins

I don't think the coaching staff has done him any favors with player development.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/25/2025 8:10:10 AM   
Bill Jandro

 

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Wentz is literally a record setting journeyman with a twist, having actually played for 5 teams in 5 years BEFORE he signed here.

What did people expect?

Wentz is who he is. He's done an admiral job considering his skill set.

What I get a kick out of is O'Connell continuing to call plays that Wentz is no good at. Screen passes and touch floaters. Wentz can hit that outside post route and curl routes all day. But the other throws he simply can't make. start calling plays that he is good at might help.

< Message edited by Bill Jandro -- 10/25/2025 8:11:10 AM >

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/25/2025 9:30:19 AM   
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https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=1262834688862206
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/25/2025 10:38:30 AM   
Daniel Lee Young

 

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Wentz is literally a record setting journeyman with a twist, having actually played for 5 teams in 5 years BEFORE he signed here.

What did people expect?

Wentz is who he is. He's done an admiral job considering his skill set.

What I get a kick out of is O'Connell continuing to call plays that Wentz is no good at. Screen passes and touch floaters. Wentz can hit that outside post route and curl routes all day. But the other throws he simply can't make. start calling plays that he is good at might help.

Wentz needs to go on IR yesterday and get a settlement to release..

Hock, smith, Thielen, brandel, Aaron jones and / penalty/ toast Murphy need to be cut off season

We need more offensive linemen like Jackson and Darrisaw, safeties better than Mettalus, who has dropped off a lot and smith, who should be dead money..

This team sucks at drafting, always has, ever since spielman.. when you go back ten years and only find five roster worthy players, that is a total front office fail.

We used to laugh at the bears.. yea the missed a lot, but the kept trying. The lions draft well, the packers draft better than we do..

Their QBs at least have time for 2 or more reads..
Ours has time for a quick throw or a scramble/ sack.

We are the worst team in our division, and it’s not even close.

We are in the bottom 25% of the conference (NFC), and 9th out of 32 in the league.

We gonna lay all this on Wentz?

It’s a broken management from GM on down.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/25/2025 10:49:24 AM   
Bill Johanesen


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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

KAM was a risk. No doubt. He was the shiny new toy, analytics, wall st., said all the right things, had exposure to SF front office (pretty good at personnel), and he may have been well respected in both SF and Cle

But, the reality is he never had to make football decisions and be the guy for personnel, drafting, etc

It's coming back to bite them. As most have said, any players worth anything were from the Spielman era

KAM may be a good cap guy, but he seems woefully deficient on identifying good, young talent.
Having Grigson as you Asst doesn't help. He was a disaster in Indy.

He didn't have the gonads to do a full rebuild, he's succumbed to this competitive reubuild crap, and extending older, washed players.


Why is he a good cap guy?

He took a year too long to clear out the deadwood veteran contracts.
He has overpaid for a lot of players.
He does the typical contract backload and void year additions.
He's already $37M in the hole for next year (haven't checked on who our pending UFAs are).

Kwesi basically hit FA out of the park last year. He freed us from Cousins

I don't think the coaching staff has done him any favors with player development.


He freed us from Cousins... after signing him for another year.
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/25/2025 11:00:42 AM   
Bill Johanesen


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Status: offline 		Kind of at the point where various fingers point to the players, the GM, the coaches, the playcalling, etc for the lousy performances.

It's been clear for years the team has no depth. So one thing Kwesi can do is stop signing or drafting players with substantial injury histories even though they are cheaper, lower rated, etc. It's a waste of cap and draft resources.
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/25/2025 11:04:25 AM   
Bill Johanesen


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Status: offline 		Some of these are garden variety injuries and I haven't looked to see which ones were substantial, patterns, etc.

Ryan Kelly has an extensive injury history, including recurring concussions, a neck injury, a knee injury requiring surgery, and a calf strain. He has been placed on injured reserve due to concussions in the past season, and previous injuries led to missing games with both the Colts and Vikings. His injury history, especially regarding concussions, is a significant concern for his future career.

Andrew Van Ginkel's recent injury history includes a Week 1 concussion in 2025, followed by a neck injury suffered in his return game in Week 3, which has sidelined him since. This is the most recent in a history of injuries that has also included a foot injury in 2024 and earlier, a foot sprain in 2019 and a back strain in 2021.

Blake Cashman has a history of injuries, including a recent hamstring injury in Week 1 of the 2025 season, which placed him on injured reserve. His history also includes a turf toe injury in 2024, a labrum tear in 2019, and multiple other hamstring and groin issues across his career, especially during his time with the Jets.
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/25/2025 11:10:12 AM   
Bill Jandro

 

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/25/2025 1:12:49 PM   
Jeff Jesser


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Status: online 		If he stops drafting absolute busts he can stop trying to do these band aid fixes. I was shocked when they gave him the extension.
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/26/2025 8:58:35 AM   
Mark Anderson

 

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If he stops drafting absolute busts he can stop trying to do these band aid fixes. I was shocked when they gave him the extension.

The busts are well documented. Kyle Hamilton and Jared Verse would look pretty good in Viking purple.

This year we sign Murphy and let Bynum walk, trade Blackmon in favor of Okudah, trade our run stopping DLineman for peanuts.

Now, on to the coaching staff.

Felton(3rd Rounder) caught 96 balls at Maryland his last year there. But we play Thielen because he is a better blocker. How's that running game going? I guess we have him(Felton) as ST gunner

Other just blatant coaching blunders: HSmith instead of Ward. Okudah instead of McGlothern or Utah practice squad guy Vaughn. Leaving Wentz in game.

How about this small coaching blunder? Taunting penalty on San Diego TE after TD. We try to put their perfect kicker back 15 yards instead of making them kick off from the 20. Easily makes 48 yard extra point and they kick off from 35.
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/26/2025 11:17:42 AM   
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o'connell is haunted by the fact that he let darnold, jones, and rodgers slip through his fingers...now, he doesn't have a quarterback of the future, or a quarterback of the present...the entire team is imploding, the front office and coaching staff sucks, and vikings fans know more about play calling than he ever will....

the wilfs are all staring at each other thinking, 'what the phuck happened, and how do we change it?'....

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/26/2025 6:03:30 PM   
Daniel Lee Young

 

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o'connell is haunted by the fact that he let darnold, jones, and rodgers slip through his fingers...now, he doesn't have a quarterback of the future, or a quarterback of the present...the entire team is imploding, the front office and coaching staff sucks, and vikings fans know more about play calling than he ever will....

the wilfs are all staring at each other thinking, 'what the phuck happened, and how do we change it?'....

No live lost for the check-in dogs cousins or Darnold…

I’d rather have Jones than Wentz and it’s not even close…

Extending gms and coaches who fail in spectacular fashion, just because they blow the smoke of slobber sex up you man Hole and can manipulate your complete lack of football knowledge, is why these owners are rubes.

All they care about is net bottom line and merch/ consession sales.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/26/2025 8:06:54 PM   
timz

 

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Adrian Peterson has been arrested after allegedly driving while under the influence ...
According to online records, Peterson was arrested in Sugar Land, Texas around 10 AM
local time Sunday. He was booked on two charges of DWI and one charge of unlawful carrying of a weapon.
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/27/2025 7:17:34 AM   
Daniel Lee Young

 

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He's a mess. Blew a .014
Adrian Peterson has been arrested after allegedly driving while under the influence ...
According to online records, Peterson was arrested in Sugar Land, Texas around 10 AM
local time Sunday. He was booked on two charges of DWI and one charge of unlawful carrying of a weapon.

Typo?

.014 Ain’t shit. Dwi is .O8 in Texas..
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