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ORIGINAL: stfrank

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Read a striking comparo. Since 2010, the NFL's designated dysfunctional team, the Jets, have won two playoff games. Since 2010, the Vikings have won two playoff games.

After looking it up, saw a couple of tidbits:
- 1987 is the last time we won two playoff games in a season.
- 1-4 Wild Card games since 2010.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/min/playoffs.htm

For the Wilf's the main stat is this......
2005: The Wilf family purchased the team for $600 million.
2025 (August): The team's valuation is $6.28 billion, with a projected valuation of around $6.8 billion from other sources

They are making money hand over fist, why change anything.....

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: stfrank

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Read a striking comparo. Since 2010, the NFL's designated dysfunctional team, the Jets, have won two playoff games. Since 2010, the Vikings have won two playoff games.

After looking it up, saw a couple of tidbits:
- 1987 is the last time we won two playoff games in a season.
- 1-4 Wild Card games since 2010.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/min/playoffs.htm

For the Wilf's the main stat is this......
2005: The Wilf family purchased the team for $600 million.
2025 (August): The team's valuation is $6.28 billion, with a projected valuation of around $6.8 billion from other sources

They are making money hand over fist, why change anything.....

That's exactly it. And for personal achievements, look no further than the new stadium that taxpayers helped fund. They are still getting kudos from the 31 owners of the club... "And that pull tab gimmick... BRILLIANT."

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/onsi/news/vikings-qb-jj-mccarthy-rewiring-neurological-pathways-on-the-fly

Lots of quotes in there. He's probably a total head case right now. And practicing dropbacks when he walks his dogs? What is this, Pop Warner?

KOC screwing up inexperienced QBs reminds me of Zimmer with DBs insisting they line up in exact spots.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/onsi/news/vikings-qb-jj-mccarthy-rewiring-neurological-pathways-on-the-fly

Lots of quotes in there. He's probably a total head case right now. And practicing dropbacks when he walks his dogs? What is this, Pop Warner?

KOC screwing up inexperienced QBs reminds me of Zimmer with DBs insisting they line up in exact spots.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/onsi/news/vikings-qb-jj-mccarthy-rewiring-neurological-pathways-on-the-fly

Lots of quotes in there. He's probably a total head case right now. And practicing dropbacks when he walks his dogs? What is this, Pop Warner?

KOC screwing up inexperienced QBs reminds me of Zimmer with DBs insisting they line up in exact spots.

Enough of the pocket passer, play action stuff. It's not working.

No huddle, RPO, roll outs. Try something different.

Are our RBs no good out of RPO? Does the OLine not understand how to run RPO?

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/onsi/news/vikings-qb-jj-mccarthy-rewiring-neurological-pathways-on-the-fly

Lots of quotes in there. He's probably a total head case right now. And practicing dropbacks when he walks his dogs? What is this, Pop Warner?

KOC screwing up inexperienced QBs reminds me of Zimmer with DBs insisting they line up in exact spots.

Enough of the pocket passer, play action stuff. It's not working.

No huddle, RPO, roll outs. Try something different.

Are our RBs no good out of RPO? Does the OLine not understand how to run RPO?

I think this is what gets so many coaches fired. Not adapting

We all hate him, but Sean Peyton can coach
All that success he had with Drew Brees as a pocket passer, and then you look at how he’s utilized Bo Nix
Night and day

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

14-3

Go root for Seattle. You Darnold sucking troll..

It's not about Darnold, it's about having a quarterback that went 14-3 with the exact same clowns around him. I tried to tell you guys, don't change what is working.

It ain't easy to go 14-3.

While I agree with this post are you saying it was easy to go 13-4? Because we were both ready to dump Cousins after that playoff game.

Cousins was at a very different point in his career. He was at the end of his career and no way were the Vikings going to give him the kind of money he wanted. Darnold was entering his prime.

I know it sounds like a logical argument when you only talk about the records. 14-3 is not much different than 13-4. However, they were at very different points in their respective careers.

Fair enough. I'll agree with them being at different points. I liked Sam but didn't think he'd get us there. If he leads Seattle to a playoff win in the very first year and looks good doing it I may have to admit I'm wrong. At least he can complete a 15 yard pass without it seeming to be a miracle.

The ending was rough for Sam. The offensive line was a complete mess and solid defensive coordinators had figured that out. The Rams sacked him nine times. Not many guys are going to have a good ending with that scenario.

I will always choose results over hope.

Even the mighty Mahommes looked pedestrian in the SB w/o good protection.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/onsi/news/vikings-qb-jj-mccarthy-rewiring-neurological-pathways-on-the-fly

Lots of quotes in there. He's probably a total head case right now. And practicing dropbacks when he walks his dogs? What is this, Pop Warner?

KOC screwing up inexperienced QBs reminds me of Zimmer with DBs insisting they line up in exact spots.

Enough of the pocket passer, play action stuff. It's not working.

No huddle, RPO, roll outs. Try something different.

Are our RBs no good out of RPO? Does the OLine not understand how to run RPO?

I think this is what gets so many coaches fired. Not adapting

We all hate him, but Sean Peyton can coach
All that success he had with Drew Brees as a pocket passer, and then you look at how he’s utilized Bo Nix
Night and day

Will it be any better with RPO? Maybe not. But at least try it.

He did it with the Passtronaut Dobbs. So it's not like it something foreign to him(KOC)

It doesn't mean you have to totally abandon the play action pass deep shots. Just give the defense something else to think about. It looks like defenses know what is coming.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/onsi/news/vikings-qb-jj-mccarthy-rewiring-neurological-pathways-on-the-fly

Lots of quotes in there. He's probably a total head case right now. And practicing dropbacks when he walks his dogs? What is this, Pop Warner?

KOC screwing up inexperienced QBs reminds me of Zimmer with DBs insisting they line up in exact spots.

Enough of the pocket passer, play action stuff. It's not working.

No huddle, RPO, roll outs. Try something different.

Are our RBs no good out of RPO? Does the OLine not understand how to run RPO?

I think this is what gets so many coaches fired. Not adapting

We all hate him, but Sean Peyton can coach
All that success he had with Drew Brees as a pocket passer, and then you look at how he’s utilized Bo Nix
Night and day

Will it be any better with RPO? Maybe not. But at least try it.

He did it with the Passtronaut Dobbs. So it's not like it something foreign to him(KOC)

It doesn't mean you have to totally abandon the play action pass deep shots. Just give the defense something else to think about. It looks like defenses know what is coming.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

14-3

Go root for Seattle. You Darnold sucking troll..

It's not about Darnold, it's about having a quarterback that went 14-3 with the exact same clowns around him. I tried to tell you guys, don't change what is working.

It ain't easy to go 14-3.

While I agree with this post are you saying it was easy to go 13-4? Because we were both ready to dump Cousins after that playoff game.

Cousins was at a very different point in his career. He was at the end of his career and no way were the Vikings going to give him the kind of money he wanted. Darnold was entering his prime.

I know it sounds like a logical argument when you only talk about the records. 14-3 is not much different than 13-4. However, they were at very different points in their respective careers.

Fair enough. I'll agree with them being at different points. I liked Sam but didn't think he'd get us there. If he leads Seattle to a playoff win in the very first year and looks good doing it I may have to admit I'm wrong. At least he can complete a 15 yard pass without it seeming to be a miracle.

The ending was rough for Sam. The offensive line was a complete mess and solid defensive coordinators had figured that out. The Rams sacked him nine times. Not many guys are going to have a good ending with that scenario.

I will always choose results over hope.

Even the mighty Mahommes looked pedestrian in the SB w/o good protection.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/onsi/news/vikings-qb-jj-mccarthy-rewiring-neurological-pathways-on-the-fly

Lots of quotes in there. He's probably a total head case right now. And practicing dropbacks when he walks his dogs? What is this, Pop Warner?

KOC screwing up inexperienced QBs reminds me of Zimmer with DBs insisting they line up in exact spots.

Enough of the pocket passer, play action stuff. It's not working.

No huddle, RPO, roll outs. Try something different.

Are our RBs no good out of RPO? Does the OLine not understand how to run RPO?

I think this is what gets so many coaches fired. Not adapting

We all hate him, but Sean Peyton can coach
All that success he had with Drew Brees as a pocket passer, and then you look at how he’s utilized Bo Nix
Night and day

Will it be any better with RPO? Maybe not. But at least try it.

He did it with the Passtronaut Dobbs. So it's not like it something foreign to him(KOC)

It doesn't mean you have to totally abandon the play action pass deep shots. Just give the defense something else to think about. It looks like defenses know what is coming.

RPO. No RPO. Pocket passer. No pocket passes.

It doesn't matter if your quarterback isn't worth a shit. It's like rearranging the deck furniture on the Titanic.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/onsi/news/vikings-qb-jj-mccarthy-rewiring-neurological-pathways-on-the-fly

Lots of quotes in there. He's probably a total head case right now. And practicing dropbacks when he walks his dogs? What is this, Pop Warner?

KOC screwing up inexperienced QBs reminds me of Zimmer with DBs insisting they line up in exact spots.

Enough of the pocket passer, play action stuff. It's not working.

No huddle, RPO, roll outs. Try something different.

Are our RBs no good out of RPO? Does the OLine not understand how to run RPO?

I think this is what gets so many coaches fired. Not adapting

We all hate him, but Sean Peyton can coach
All that success he had with Drew Brees as a pocket passer, and then you look at how he’s utilized Bo Nix
Night and day

Will it be any better with RPO? Maybe not. But at least try it.

He did it with the Passtronaut Dobbs. So it's not like it something foreign to him(KOC)

It doesn't mean you have to totally abandon the play action pass deep shots. Just give the defense something else to think about. It looks like defenses know what is coming.

RPO. No RPO. Pocket passer. No pocket passes.

It doesn't matter if your quarterback isn't worth a shit. It's like rearranging the deck furniture on the Titanic.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/onsi/news/vikings-qb-jj-mccarthy-rewiring-neurological-pathways-on-the-fly

Lots of quotes in there. He's probably a total head case right now. And practicing dropbacks when he walks his dogs? What is this, Pop Warner?

KOC screwing up inexperienced QBs reminds me of Zimmer with DBs insisting they line up in exact spots.

Enough of the pocket passer, play action stuff. It's not working.

No huddle, RPO, roll outs. Try something different.

Are our RBs no good out of RPO? Does the OLine not understand how to run RPO?

I think this is what gets so many coaches fired. Not adapting

We all hate him, but Sean Peyton can coach
All that success he had with Drew Brees as a pocket passer, and then you look at how he’s utilized Bo Nix
Night and day

Will it be any better with RPO? Maybe not. But at least try it.

He did it with the Passtronaut Dobbs. So it's not like it something foreign to him(KOC)

It doesn't mean you have to totally abandon the play action pass deep shots. Just give the defense something else to think about. It looks like defenses know what is coming.

RPO. No RPO. Pocket passer. No pocket passes.

It doesn't matter if your quarterback isn't worth a shit. It's like rearranging the deck furniture on the Titanic.

Darnold ran into icebergs for 5-6 years. Finally figured it out.

Time will tell if JJM can.

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/onsi/news/vikings-qb-jj-mccarthy-rewiring-neurological-pathways-on-the-fly

Lots of quotes in there. He's probably a total head case right now. And practicing dropbacks when he walks his dogs? What is this, Pop Warner?

KOC screwing up inexperienced QBs reminds me of Zimmer with DBs insisting they line up in exact spots.

Enough of the pocket passer, play action stuff. It's not working.

No huddle, RPO, roll outs. Try something different.

Are our RBs no good out of RPO? Does the OLine not understand how to run RPO?

I think this is what gets so many coaches fired. Not adapting

We all hate him, but Sean Peyton can coach
All that success he had with Drew Brees as a pocket passer, and then you look at how he’s utilized Bo Nix
Night and day

Will it be any better with RPO? Maybe not. But at least try it.

He did it with the Passtronaut Dobbs. So it's not like it something foreign to him(KOC)

It doesn't mean you have to totally abandon the play action pass deep shots. Just give the defense something else to think about. It looks like defenses know what is coming.

RPO. No RPO. Pocket passer. No pocket passes.

It doesn't matter if your quarterback isn't worth a shit. It's like rearranging the deck furniture on the Titanic.

Darnold ran into icebergs for 5-6 years. Finally figured it out.

Time will tell if JJM can.

Darnold threw for 4,100 yds his second year
JJ never broke 3,000 in 2 seasons despite an extra game

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/onsi/news/vikings-qb-jj-mccarthy-rewiring-neurological-pathways-on-the-fly

Lots of quotes in there. He's probably a total head case right now. And practicing dropbacks when he walks his dogs? What is this, Pop Warner?

KOC screwing up inexperienced QBs reminds me of Zimmer with DBs insisting they line up in exact spots.

Enough of the pocket passer, play action stuff. It's not working.

No huddle, RPO, roll outs. Try something different.

Are our RBs no good out of RPO? Does the OLine not understand how to run RPO?

I think this is what gets so many coaches fired. Not adapting

We all hate him, but Sean Peyton can coach
All that success he had with Drew Brees as a pocket passer, and then you look at how he’s utilized Bo Nix
Night and day

Will it be any better with RPO? Maybe not. But at least try it.

He did it with the Passtronaut Dobbs. So it's not like it something foreign to him(KOC)

It doesn't mean you have to totally abandon the play action pass deep shots. Just give the defense something else to think about. It looks like defenses know what is coming.

RPO. No RPO. Pocket passer. No pocket passes.

It doesn't matter if your quarterback isn't worth a shit. It's like rearranging the deck furniture on the Titanic.

Darnold ran into icebergs for 5-6 years. Finally figured it out.

Time will tell if JJM can.

Darnold threw for 4,100 yds his second year
JJ never broke 3,000 in 2 seasons despite an extra game

Stats I saw say 3000 yards his 2nd year. To his credit, Darnold didn't have much talent around him. But, also, got alot of meaningless garbage yards in blow out losses.

McCarthy has 6 games to show something. Not expecting much this week because SEA defense is fast and nasty.

Edit. I see you were talking about college stats. C'mon Arlowe, Sean Mannion lit up the Pac12 back in the day.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/onsi/news/vikings-qb-jj-mccarthy-rewiring-neurological-pathways-on-the-fly

Lots of quotes in there. He's probably a total head case right now. And practicing dropbacks when he walks his dogs? What is this, Pop Warner?

KOC screwing up inexperienced QBs reminds me of Zimmer with DBs insisting they line up in exact spots.

Enough of the pocket passer, play action stuff. It's not working.

No huddle, RPO, roll outs. Try something different.

Are our RBs no good out of RPO? Does the OLine not understand how to run RPO?

I think this is what gets so many coaches fired. Not adapting

We all hate him, but Sean Peyton can coach
All that success he had with Drew Brees as a pocket passer, and then you look at how he’s utilized Bo Nix
Night and day

Will it be any better with RPO? Maybe not. But at least try it.

He did it with the Passtronaut Dobbs. So it's not like it something foreign to him(KOC)

It doesn't mean you have to totally abandon the play action pass deep shots. Just give the defense something else to think about. It looks like defenses know what is coming.

RPO. No RPO. Pocket passer. No pocket passes.

It doesn't matter if your quarterback isn't worth a shit. It's like rearranging the deck furniture on the Titanic.

Darnold ran into icebergs for 5-6 years. Finally figured it out.

Time will tell if JJM can.

Darnold threw for 4,100 yds his second year
JJ never broke 3,000 in 2 seasons despite an extra game

Stats I saw say 3000 yards his 2nd year. To his credit, Darnold didn't have much talent around him. But, also, got alot of meaningless garbage yards in blow out losses.

McCarthy has 6 games to show something. Not expecting much this week because SEA defense is fast and nasty.

Edit. I see you were talking about college stats. C'mon Arlowe, Sean Mannion lit up the Pac12 back in the day.

I think the point is we never even saw JJ McDoofus light up Rutgers. Don't draft someone that high that couldn't tear up the competition in college. Thats just my lame opinion.

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

McCarthy was playing with a concussion. That may explain some things. Sounds like he's doubtful for next week's game.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

DN:

Having said that, there are a lot of other issues at play here as well, as nearly every other big move the Vikings made this offseason has backfired spectacularly. In no particular order:

The Vikings made Byron Murphy Jr. one of the ten highest-paid cornerbacks in the NFL this offseason. Maybe my memory is fuzzy, but I’m having trouble recalling one meaningful play he’s made this season.

The Vikings spent big money on Jon Allen and Javon Hargrave in the hopes of upgrading their pass rush. There have been multiple weeks where they’ve been outplayed by Jalen Redmond, Levi Drake Rodriguez, and Tyrion Ingram-Dawkins. They also traded away Harrison Phillips, who seems like a guy they could use.

Will Fries and Ryan Kelly were supposed to solidify the interior of the offensive line. Fries has fallen well short of expectations, while Kelly has once again been plagued by the concussion issues he dealt with in Indianapolis.