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USC is falling apart.
They haven't seen a QB like this.

Neither has Penn State

He's been superb. Both teams have a bright future.

Hell of a game, lots of players

Clearly the best game of the year. Cancel the title game.

We might see some defense in Title Game.

Yep, those Big Ten defenses sure brought it in the bowl games. Michigan gives up 33. Ohio State 31. Penn State 52.

Like I have been saying for a month, the Big Ten defenses looked great this season because they play in a conference with no quarterbacks. Penn State was the only club with a halfway decent quarterback and they used it to win the Big Ten title.

Stop!
You also said Penn State was a fraud and that USC would rout them. You really need to go back and read some of your posts.

The refs kept the game close. It was a total debacle from a ref standpoint. Penn State had five scores aided by the refs. If the refs were even close to even it would have been a four-score game.

USC overcame the worst refereed game I have seen in 30 years, and still won. They could have had 800 yards of offense if they wanted. As it was, their freshman quarterback threw for 450 and five scores. It was like taking candy from a baby. Undoubtedly the worst defense USC has seen all season.

USC was as bad on defense for huge stretches of the game as I saw in any Bowl game. They couldn't stop Barkley at all. A late TD changes the final score of the game, but it was obvious to anyone who watched that Penn State was far from a fraud. This was a hard fought game to the end.
You weren't close on your projection.
We also saw what happened when the Gophers minus many starters beat Washington State. You missed that one by a mile too. Nothing wrong with being wrong though. I thought Ohio State was the best in the Big 10.

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Come on, man. Pac 12 defenses have been notoriously SAWT (to use your term) for decades now. It just is what it is... There's no more need to defend those defenses by saying they are good than someone should defend Big 10 offenses by saying they produce great QBs. It's okay. Nothing to be ashamed of. Well, okay, maybe that's going a little too far because everyone respects a kick ass defense. California teams just are what they are. They are a lot like their state. Flashy, pretty, and kind of wimpy.

Again, you aren't really paying attention closely to the conversation. Perception is not always reality. We've heard for years that Pac 12 defenses are soft and Big Ten defenses are tough. Most of that conversation comes from the fans. In reality, the Big Ten defenses look good because there is not many good quarterbacks in the conferences and the offenses are geared around muck and grind on the ground. This year was a perfect example. They were supposed to have some of the top defenses in the country. All we heard all season was how Michigan was great. Ohio State was great. Penn State was great. What happened when they played competent offenses? They gave up 33, 31 and 52 respectively.

In the Pac 12, you have (at the very least) good quarterbacks on every team. If they get hot, you better be prepared to play an up-tempo game on offense. That creates a style of play and the perception that they are soft on defense. It couldn't be farther from the truth.

Just curious, how did that USC defense do in the 4th quarter? Penn State went into their shell (like Big Ten teams always do) and they stopped them easily. It's not hard to stop a team when you know they are going to go conservative and try to run out the clock. When they (Penn St.) had to go up-tempo in the final minute they were completely lost.

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Come on, man. Pac 12 defenses have been notoriously SAWT (to use your term) for decades now. It just is what it is... There's no more need to defend those defenses by saying they are good than someone should defend Big 10 offenses by saying they produce great QBs. It's okay. Nothing to be ashamed of. Well, okay, maybe that's going a little too far because everyone respects a kick ass defense. California teams just are what they are. They are a lot like their state. Flashy, pretty, and kind of wimpy.

Again, you aren't really paying attention closely to the conversation. Perception is not always reality. We've heard for years that Pac 12 defenses are soft and Big Ten defenses are tough. Most of that conversation comes from the fans. In reality, the Big Ten defenses look good because there is not many good quarterbacks in the conferences and the offenses are geared around muck and grind on the ground. This year was a perfect example. They were supposed to have some of the top defenses in the country. All we heard all season was how Michigan was great. Ohio State was great. Penn State was great. What happened when they played competent offenses? They gave up 33, 31 and 52 respectively.
In the Pac 12, you have (at the very least) good quarterbacks on every team. If they get hot, you better be prepared to play an up-tempo game on offense. That creates a style of play and the perception that they are soft on defense. It couldn't be farther from the truth.
Just curious, how did that USC defense do in the 4th quarter? Penn State went into their shell (like Big Ten teams always do) and they stopped them easily. It's not hard to stop a team when you know they are going to go conservative and try to run out the clock. When they (Penn St.) had to go up-tempo in the final minute they were completely lost.

Brad in the grand scheme of things why is this Big Ten vs Pac 12 for you? I am not a Penn State fan or USC fan so I didn't give one shichts about that game because it wasn't even relevant. I watched some of the Gophers/Wash St. but that had about as much relevance too.....the playoff games are what really counts now and Penn St, USC, etc aren't in it.

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Come on, man. Pac 12 defenses have been notoriously SAWT (to use your term) for decades now. It just is what it is... There's no more need to defend those defenses by saying they are good than someone should defend Big 10 offenses by saying they produce great QBs. It's okay. Nothing to be ashamed of. Well, okay, maybe that's going a little too far because everyone respects a kick ass defense. California teams just are what they are. They are a lot like their state. Flashy, pretty, and kind of wimpy.

Again, you aren't really paying attention closely to the conversation. Perception is not always reality. We've heard for years that Pac 12 defenses are soft and Big Ten defenses are tough. Most of that conversation comes from the fans. In reality, the Big Ten defenses look good because there is not many good quarterbacks in the conferences and the offenses are geared around muck and grind on the ground. This year was a perfect example. They were supposed to have some of the top defenses in the country. All we heard all season was how Michigan was great. Ohio State was great. Penn State was great. What happened when they played competent offenses? They gave up 33, 31 and 52 respectively.

In the Pac 12, you have (at the very least) good quarterbacks on every team. If they get hot, you better be prepared to play an up-tempo game on offense. That creates a style of play and the perception that they are soft on defense. It couldn't be farther from the truth.

Just curious, how did that USC defense do in the 4th quarter? Penn State went into their shell (like Big Ten teams always do) and they stopped them easily. It's not hard to stop a team when you know they are going to go conservative and try to run out the clock. When they (Penn St.) had to go up-tempo in the final minute they were completely lost.

USC gave up 49 points to a middle of the road offense.

Soft

I was watching the Gopher game and the announcers were talking about if Wash St. QB should go Pro or not. I'm not sure if that guy could be a backup in the CFL. How was this guy getting these big stats?

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Come on, man. Pac 12 defenses have been notoriously SAWT (to use your term) for decades now. It just is what it is... There's no more need to defend those defenses by saying they are good than someone should defend Big 10 offenses by saying they produce great QBs. It's okay. Nothing to be ashamed of. Well, okay, maybe that's going a little too far because everyone respects a kick ass defense. California teams just are what they are. They are a lot like their state. Flashy, pretty, and kind of wimpy.

Again, you aren't really paying attention closely to the conversation. Perception is not always reality. We've heard for years that Pac 12 defenses are soft and Big Ten defenses are tough. Most of that conversation comes from the fans. In reality, the Big Ten defenses look good because there is not many good quarterbacks in the conferences and the offenses are geared around muck and grind on the ground. This year was a perfect example. They were supposed to have some of the top defenses in the country. All we heard all season was how Michigan was great. Ohio State was great. Penn State was great. What happened when they played competent offenses? They gave up 33, 31 and 52 respectively.

In the Pac 12, you have (at the very least) good quarterbacks on every team. If they get hot, you better be prepared to play an up-tempo game on offense. That creates a style of play and the perception that they are soft on defense. It couldn't be farther from the truth.

Just curious, how did that USC defense do in the 4th quarter? Penn State went into their shell (like Big Ten teams always do) and they stopped them easily. It's not hard to stop a team when you know they are going to go conservative and try to run out the clock. When they (Penn St.) had to go up-tempo in the final minute they were completely lost.

USC gave up 49 points to a middle of the road offense.

Soft

I was watching the Gopher game and the announcers were talking about if Wash St. QB should go Pro or not. I'm not sure if that guy could be a backup in the CFL. How was this guy getting these big stats?

Penn State scored 14 legitimate points. The refs guided them to the other 35. The refs were in over their heads.

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Come on, man. Pac 12 defenses have been notoriously SAWT (to use your term) for decades now. It just is what it is... There's no more need to defend those defenses by saying they are good than someone should defend Big 10 offenses by saying they produce great QBs. It's okay. Nothing to be ashamed of. Well, okay, maybe that's going a little too far because everyone respects a kick ass defense. California teams just are what they are. They are a lot like their state. Flashy, pretty, and kind of wimpy.

Again, you aren't really paying attention closely to the conversation. Perception is not always reality. We've heard for years that Pac 12 defenses are soft and Big Ten defenses are tough. Most of that conversation comes from the fans. In reality, the Big Ten defenses look good because there is not many good quarterbacks in the conferences and the offenses are geared around muck and grind on the ground. This year was a perfect example. They were supposed to have some of the top defenses in the country. All we heard all season was how Michigan was great. Ohio State was great. Penn State was great. What happened when they played competent offenses? They gave up 33, 31 and 52 respectively.

In the Pac 12, you have (at the very least) good quarterbacks on every team. If they get hot, you better be prepared to play an up-tempo game on offense. That creates a style of play and the perception that they are soft on defense. It couldn't be farther from the truth.

Just curious, how did that USC defense do in the 4th quarter? Penn State went into their shell (like Big Ten teams always do) and they stopped them easily. It's not hard to stop a team when you know they are going to go conservative and try to run out the clock. When they (Penn St.) had to go up-tempo in the final minute they were completely lost.

USC gave up 49 points to a middle of the road offense.

Soft

I was watching the Gopher game and the announcers were talking about if Wash St. QB should go Pro or not. I'm not sure if that guy could be a backup in the CFL. How was this guy getting these big stats?

Penn State scored 14 legitimate points. The refs guided them to the other 35. The refs were in over their heads.

Stop. It's OK to admit that USC's defense is not very good.

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Come on, man. Pac 12 defenses have been notoriously SAWT (to use your term) for decades now. It just is what it is... There's no more need to defend those defenses by saying they are good than someone should defend Big 10 offenses by saying they produce great QBs. It's okay. Nothing to be ashamed of. Well, okay, maybe that's going a little too far because everyone respects a kick ass defense. California teams just are what they are. They are a lot like their state. Flashy, pretty, and kind of wimpy.

Again, you aren't really paying attention closely to the conversation. Perception is not always reality. We've heard for years that Pac 12 defenses are soft and Big Ten defenses are tough. Most of that conversation comes from the fans. In reality, the Big Ten defenses look good because there is not many good quarterbacks in the conferences and the offenses are geared around muck and grind on the ground. This year was a perfect example. They were supposed to have some of the top defenses in the country. All we heard all season was how Michigan was great. Ohio State was great. Penn State was great. What happened when they played competent offenses? They gave up 33, 31 and 52 respectively.

In the Pac 12, you have (at the very least) good quarterbacks on every team. If they get hot, you better be prepared to play an up-tempo game on offense. That creates a style of play and the perception that they are soft on defense. It couldn't be farther from the truth.

Just curious, how did that USC defense do in the 4th quarter? Penn State went into their shell (like Big Ten teams always do) and they stopped them easily. It's not hard to stop a team when you know they are going to go conservative and try to run out the clock. When they (Penn St.) had to go up-tempo in the final minute they were completely lost.

USC gave up 49 points to a middle of the road offense.

Soft

I was watching the Gopher game and the announcers were talking about if Wash St. QB should go Pro or not. I'm not sure if that guy could be a backup in the CFL. How was this guy getting these big stats?

Penn State scored 14 legitimate points. The refs guided them to the other 35. The refs were in over their heads.

Stop. It's OK to admit that USC's defense is not very good.

Nope. Watch the game over again. It was a total hack job. If you didn't see that, you have ZERO football competence.

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Here's the reality. The perceived best conference in America this season went 3-6 in bowl games, with wins over Western Michigan, Washington State and Pittsburgh. The so-called three great teams they had went 0-3.

Who is the perceived best conference? I always figure there will be a few surprises. To have 9 teams in the bowl games is the main thing---same for Pac 12, ACC, BIG 12, and SEC. You keep having over half your teams in bowl games the money and recruits will keep coming.

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Come on, man. Pac 12 defenses have been notoriously SAWT (to use your term) for decades now. It just is what it is... There's no more need to defend those defenses by saying they are good than someone should defend Big 10 offenses by saying they produce great QBs. It's okay. Nothing to be ashamed of. Well, okay, maybe that's going a little too far because everyone respects a kick ass defense. California teams just are what they are. They are a lot like their state. Flashy, pretty, and kind of wimpy.

Again, you aren't really paying attention closely to the conversation. Perception is not always reality. We've heard for years that Pac 12 defenses are soft and Big Ten defenses are tough. Most of that conversation comes from the fans. In reality, the Big Ten defenses look good because there is not many good quarterbacks in the conferences and the offenses are geared around muck and grind on the ground. This year was a perfect example. They were supposed to have some of the top defenses in the country. All we heard all season was how Michigan was great. Ohio State was great. Penn State was great. What happened when they played competent offenses? They gave up 33, 31 and 52 respectively.

In the Pac 12, you have (at the very least) good quarterbacks on every team. If they get hot, you better be prepared to play an up-tempo game on offense. That creates a style of play and the perception that they are soft on defense. It couldn't be farther from the truth.

Just curious, how did that USC defense do in the 4th quarter? Penn State went into their shell (like Big Ten teams always do) and they stopped them easily. It's not hard to stop a team when you know they are going to go conservative and try to run out the clock. When they (Penn St.) had to go up-tempo in the final minute they were completely lost.

USC gave up 49 points to a middle of the road offense.

Soft

I was watching the Gopher game and the announcers were talking about if Wash St. QB should go Pro or not. I'm not sure if that guy could be a backup in the CFL. How was this guy getting these big stats?

Penn State scored 14 legitimate points. The refs guided them to the other 35. The refs were in over their heads.

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Come on, man. Pac 12 defenses have been notoriously SAWT (to use your term) for decades now. It just is what it is... There's no more need to defend those defenses by saying they are good than someone should defend Big 10 offenses by saying they produce great QBs. It's okay. Nothing to be ashamed of. Well, okay, maybe that's going a little too far because everyone respects a kick ass defense. California teams just are what they are. They are a lot like their state. Flashy, pretty, and kind of wimpy.

Again, you aren't really paying attention closely to the conversation. Perception is not always reality. We've heard for years that Pac 12 defenses are soft and Big Ten defenses are tough. Most of that conversation comes from the fans. In reality, the Big Ten defenses look good because there is not many good quarterbacks in the conferences and the offenses are geared around muck and grind on the ground. This year was a perfect example. They were supposed to have some of the top defenses in the country. All we heard all season was how Michigan was great. Ohio State was great. Penn State was great. What happened when they played competent offenses? They gave up 33, 31 and 52 respectively.
In the Pac 12, you have (at the very least) good quarterbacks on every team. If they get hot, you better be prepared to play an up-tempo game on offense. That creates a style of play and the perception that they are soft on defense. It couldn't be farther from the truth.
Just curious, how did that USC defense do in the 4th quarter? Penn State went into their shell (like Big Ten teams always do) and they stopped them easily. It's not hard to stop a team when you know they are going to go conservative and try to run out the clock. When they (Penn St.) had to go up-tempo in the final minute they were completely lost.

Brad in the grand scheme of things why is this Big Ten vs Pac 12 for you? I am not a Penn State fan or USC fan so I didn't give one shichts about that game because it wasn't even relevant. I watched some of the Gophers/Wash St. but that had about as much relevance too.....the playoff games are what really counts now and Penn St, USC, etc aren't in it.

Don't care about the playoff. It is a money grab. If they want to have a legit tournament (with at least 16 teams) I will tune in.

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Here's the reality. The perceived best conference in America this season went 3-6 in bowl games, with wins over Western Michigan, Washington State and Pittsburgh. The so-called three great teams they had went 0-3.

Who is the perceived best conference? I always figure there will be a few surprises. To have 9 teams in the bowl games is the main thing---same for Pac 12, ACC, BIG 12, and SEC. You keep having over half your teams in bowl games the money and recruits will keep coming.

Teams with losing records get into bowls; how can that possibly gauge quality?

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Come on, man. Pac 12 defenses have been notoriously SAWT (to use your term) for decades now. It just is what it is... There's no more need to defend those defenses by saying they are good than someone should defend Big 10 offenses by saying they produce great QBs. It's okay. Nothing to be ashamed of. Well, okay, maybe that's going a little too far because everyone respects a kick ass defense. California teams just are what they are. They are a lot like their state. Flashy, pretty, and kind of wimpy.

Again, you aren't really paying attention closely to the conversation. Perception is not always reality. We've heard for years that Pac 12 defenses are soft and Big Ten defenses are tough. Most of that conversation comes from the fans. In reality, the Big Ten defenses look good because there is not many good quarterbacks in the conferences and the offenses are geared around muck and grind on the ground. This year was a perfect example. They were supposed to have some of the top defenses in the country. All we heard all season was how Michigan was great. Ohio State was great. Penn State was great. What happened when they played competent offenses? They gave up 33, 31 and 52 respectively.

In the Pac 12, you have (at the very least) good quarterbacks on every team. If they get hot, you better be prepared to play an up-tempo game on offense. That creates a style of play and the perception that they are soft on defense. It couldn't be farther from the truth.

Just curious, how did that USC defense do in the 4th quarter? Penn State went into their shell (like Big Ten teams always do) and they stopped them easily. It's not hard to stop a team when you know they are going to go conservative and try to run out the clock. When they (Penn St.) had to go up-tempo in the final minute they were completely lost.

USC gave up 49 points to a middle of the road offense.

Soft

I was watching the Gopher game and the announcers were talking about if Wash St. QB should go Pro or not. I'm not sure if that guy could be a backup in the CFL. How was this guy getting these big stats?

Penn State scored 14 legitimate points. The refs guided them to the other 35. The refs were in over their heads.

MN lost 1st and 2nd string defenders before their Penn State game (at Penn St.) and held Penn State to fewer points than USC.

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Come on, man. Pac 12 defenses have been notoriously SAWT (to use your term) for decades now. It just is what it is... There's no more need to defend those defenses by saying they are good than someone should defend Big 10 offenses by saying they produce great QBs. It's okay. Nothing to be ashamed of. Well, okay, maybe that's going a little too far because everyone respects a kick ass defense. California teams just are what they are. They are a lot like their state. Flashy, pretty, and kind of wimpy.

Again, you aren't really paying attention closely to the conversation. Perception is not always reality. We've heard for years that Pac 12 defenses are soft and Big Ten defenses are tough. Most of that conversation comes from the fans. In reality, the Big Ten defenses look good because there is not many good quarterbacks in the conferences and the offenses are geared around muck and grind on the ground. This year was a perfect example. They were supposed to have some of the top defenses in the country. All we heard all season was how Michigan was great. Ohio State was great. Penn State was great. What happened when they played competent offenses? They gave up 33, 31 and 52 respectively.
In the Pac 12, you have (at the very least) good quarterbacks on every team. If they get hot, you better be prepared to play an up-tempo game on offense. That creates a style of play and the perception that they are soft on defense. It couldn't be farther from the truth.
Just curious, how did that USC defense do in the 4th quarter? Penn State went into their shell (like Big Ten teams always do) and they stopped them easily. It's not hard to stop a team when you know they are going to go conservative and try to run out the clock. When they (Penn St.) had to go up-tempo in the final minute they were completely lost.

Brad in the grand scheme of things why is this Big Ten vs Pac 12 for you? I am not a Penn State fan or USC fan so I didn't give one shichts about that game because it wasn't even relevant. I watched some of the Gophers/Wash St. but that had about as much relevance too.....the playoff games are what really counts now and Penn St, USC, etc aren't in it.

Don't care about the playoff. It is a money grab. If they want to have a legit tournament (with at least 16 teams) I will tune in.

8 teams sounds about right.

Although this year, the 2 best teams are playing for the crown.

There is Alabama and Clemson. And then everybody else.

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Come on, man. Pac 12 defenses have been notoriously SAWT (to use your term) for decades now. It just is what it is... There's no more need to defend those defenses by saying they are good than someone should defend Big 10 offenses by saying they produce great QBs. It's okay. Nothing to be ashamed of. Well, okay, maybe that's going a little too far because everyone respects a kick ass defense. California teams just are what they are. They are a lot like their state. Flashy, pretty, and kind of wimpy.

Again, you aren't really paying attention closely to the conversation. Perception is not always reality. We've heard for years that Pac 12 defenses are soft and Big Ten defenses are tough. Most of that conversation comes from the fans. In reality, the Big Ten defenses look good because there is not many good quarterbacks in the conferences and the offenses are geared around muck and grind on the ground. This year was a perfect example. They were supposed to have some of the top defenses in the country. All we heard all season was how Michigan was great. Ohio State was great. Penn State was great. What happened when they played competent offenses? They gave up 33, 31 and 52 respectively.
In the Pac 12, you have (at the very least) good quarterbacks on every team. If they get hot, you better be prepared to play an up-tempo game on offense. That creates a style of play and the perception that they are soft on defense. It couldn't be farther from the truth.
Just curious, how did that USC defense do in the 4th quarter? Penn State went into their shell (like Big Ten teams always do) and they stopped them easily. It's not hard to stop a team when you know they are going to go conservative and try to run out the clock. When they (Penn St.) had to go up-tempo in the final minute they were completely lost.

Brad in the grand scheme of things why is this Big Ten vs Pac 12 for you? I am not a Penn State fan or USC fan so I didn't give one shichts about that game because it wasn't even relevant. I watched some of the Gophers/Wash St. but that had about as much relevance too.....the playoff games are what really counts now and Penn St, USC, etc aren't in it.

Don't care about the playoff. It is a money grab. If they want to have a legit tournament (with at least 16 teams) I will tune in.

8 teams sounds about right.

Although this year, the 2 best teams are playing for the crown.

There is Alabama and Clemson. And then everybody else.

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Come on, man. Pac 12 defenses have been notoriously SAWT (to use your term) for decades now. It just is what it is... There's no more need to defend those defenses by saying they are good than someone should defend Big 10 offenses by saying they produce great QBs. It's okay. Nothing to be ashamed of. Well, okay, maybe that's going a little too far because everyone respects a kick ass defense. California teams just are what they are. They are a lot like their state. Flashy, pretty, and kind of wimpy.

Again, you aren't really paying attention closely to the conversation. Perception is not always reality. We've heard for years that Pac 12 defenses are soft and Big Ten defenses are tough. Most of that conversation comes from the fans. In reality, the Big Ten defenses look good because there is not many good quarterbacks in the conferences and the offenses are geared around muck and grind on the ground. This year was a perfect example. They were supposed to have some of the top defenses in the country. All we heard all season was how Michigan was great. Ohio State was great. Penn State was great. What happened when they played competent offenses? They gave up 33, 31 and 52 respectively.
In the Pac 12, you have (at the very least) good quarterbacks on every team. If they get hot, you better be prepared to play an up-tempo game on offense. That creates a style of play and the perception that they are soft on defense. It couldn't be farther from the truth.
Just curious, how did that USC defense do in the 4th quarter? Penn State went into their shell (like Big Ten teams always do) and they stopped them easily. It's not hard to stop a team when you know they are going to go conservative and try to run out the clock. When they (Penn St.) had to go up-tempo in the final minute they were completely lost.

Brad in the grand scheme of things why is this Big Ten vs Pac 12 for you? I am not a Penn State fan or USC fan so I didn't give one shichts about that game because it wasn't even relevant. I watched some of the Gophers/Wash St. but that had about as much relevance too.....the playoff games are what really counts now and Penn St, USC, etc aren't in it.

Don't care about the playoff. It is a money grab. If they want to have a legit tournament (with at least 16 teams) I will tune in.

8 teams sounds about right.

Although this year, the 2 best teams are playing for the crown.

There is Alabama and Clemson. And then everybody else.

It appears you are correct. Neither Penn State or USC has a good enough defense to compete for the National Title.

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Homerism at its finest

Blame the refs. Very cliche

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Homerism at its finest
Blame the refs. Very cliche

Nothing to do with homerism. Just bad refs who were in over their heads.

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Homerism at its finest
Blame the refs. Very cliche

Nothing to do with homerism. Just bad refs who were in over their heads.

it does sound pretty bad when your favorite team wins and you still complain about the refs.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro
Homerism at its finest
Blame the refs. Very cliche

Nothing to do with homerism. Just bad refs who were in over their heads.

it does sound pretty bad when your favorite team wins and you still complain about the refs.

Yep, it was a terrible tragedy. Just because a team wins doesn't make it any better. Those guys should never work again in the industry. They make all refs look bad and cause fans to think about the potential for crooked behavior in the profession. It's bad for business.

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ORIGINAL: Art

Bama runs away this half.
Saban is clearly superior to Swinney.